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Irish Rugby and Sevens

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    Site Banned Posts: 5,677 jayteecork


    Was watching the 7s action in Dubai on telly.
    All the 6 nations teams were there, the tri-nations, Argentina, 7s regs like Samoa and Fiji, but also teams like Kenya, USA and Zimbabwe.
    But no Ireland.

    With 7s getting into the Olympics and Irish rugby currently on a massive high I thought this situation most strange.

    Anyone know what the story is?

    (Or maybe it's cause Denis McBride retired, lol)


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    We entered the World Cup last year that contained extremely talented players all of who have played a high standard of rugby, and they got trounced by the might of Zimbabwe.

    It should be invested in, it's a great way to develop young players (People like Conway who have a mountain to climb to get into their provinces first XV) just look at some of the players it has produced over the years.


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    Agree with Stevo we should have a Sevens team.

    Scotland have less professional players than us and they have a full time Sevens team. Albeit, I don't know how well they're doing and what players they have helped to develop. Can't do any harm though for young players to travel all over the world.


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    I used to think that we should invest in a 7s team but theres a few things that have changed my mind

    1. We have produced our best ever team without any 7s
    2. Where is the money going to come from? A more competitive Connacht team is more important than a 7s

    5 aside football and pitch and putt aren't used to produce international players in their sports I dont see why 7s should be any different.


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    guapos wrote: »
    I used to think that we should invest in a 7s team but theres a few things that have changed my mind

    1. We have produced our best ever team without any 7s
    2. Where is the money going to come from? A more competitive Connacht team is more important than a 7s

    5 aside football and pitch and putt aren't used to produce international players in their sports I dont see why 7s should be any different.

    Correct.


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    guapos wrote: »
    I used to think that we should invest in a 7s team but theres a few things that have changed my mind

    1. We have produced our best ever team without any 7s
    2. Where is the money going to come from? A more competitive Connacht team is more important than a 7s

    5 aside football and pitch and putt aren't used to produce international players in their sports I dont see why 7s should be any different.

    Josh Lewsey.
    Paul Sackey.
    Joe Rokocoko.
    Lomu.
    Cullen.
    Eric Rush.
    Any amount of Wallabies.

    All came from 7s.

    Most of the consistantly successful (which by definition excludes us) unions recognise the 7s game as an effective development for back 3 players.

    Also, futsal is actually fairly extensively used to develop young players.
    5-a-side is a training tool. Not to mention the apple vs oranges aspect of that comparison.
    And pitch and putt has no relevance to the conversation.


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    All great players i agree but i think our back 3 has been developed just fine without playing 7s. Kearney and Fitzgerald wouldn't have got the same amount of playing time for Leinster if they had been off playing 7s and wouldnt be the players they are now. Why spend money on 7s when our best chance of developing young players (Connacht) is under funded?


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    guapos wrote: »
    All great players i agree but i think our back 3 has been developed just fine without playing 7s. Kearney and Fitzgerald wouldn't have got the same amount of playing time for Leinster if they had been off playing 7s and wouldnt be the players they are now. Why spend money on 7s when our best chance of developing young players (Connacht) is under funded?

    As stevo said, for young guys like Conway, sevens would be invaluable experience for them in their development.


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    guapos wrote: »
    All great players i agree but i think our back 3 has been developed just fine without playing 7s. Kearney and Fitzgerald wouldn't have got the same amount of playing time for Leinster if they had been off playing 7s and wouldnt be the players they are now. Why spend money on 7s when our best chance of developing young players (Connacht) is under funded?

    To be fair pretty much all of our wingers are converted fullbacks or centres. The handling of our forwards is also very poor. That's something that can't be fixed by investing in Connacht. 7s would help with those problems though.


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    jayteecork wrote: »
    All the 6 nations teams were there, the tri-nations, Argentina, 7s regs like Samoa and Fiji, but also teams like Kenya, USA and Zimbabwe.
    But no Ireland.

    So it's either a good idea, or every other rugby playing nation on the planet is wrong.... ;)

    Yup - we should have definitely have a 7s team


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    I really can't see any downside to having a sevens set-up. Its a fabulous way to get players comfortable with the concept of space and creativity, both aspects of the game which are sorely in need of promotion. It builds up stamina and fitness and essentially encourages/promotes the development of the skills which are crucial to the playing of rugby in the modern era.

    It also allows players to play in the international arena in high quality fixtures against some seriously high quality opposition. I mean , as I've said before, if Kenya can do it why in the name of God cant we? No excuses, lets get in there and get competing.


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    guapos wrote: »
    All great players i agree but i think our back 3 has been developed just fine without playing 7s. Kearney and Fitzgerald wouldn't have got the same amount of playing time for Leinster if they had been off playing 7s and wouldnt be the players they are now. Why spend money on 7s when our best chance of developing young players (Connacht) is under funded?


    More players playing rugby in proper competition means more players to choose from for a national side.

    And I doubt you will stretch things to thin with having a national sevens team.


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    Could also be Ireland's best non-boxing shot at a medal at the next Olympics.


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    jayteecork wrote: »
    Could also be Ireland's best non-boxing shot at a medal at the next Olympics.

    Or Equestrian. :p

    It's madness that we don't have a proper team.


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    toomevara wrote: »
    I really can't see any downside to having a sevens set-up.

    Neither can I. But if, funding wise, its a choice between the strong A team schedule we have and a 7s team, I'f pick the A team schedule every tine.


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    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Neither can I. But if, funding wise, its a choice between the strong A team schedule we have and a 7s team, I'f pick the A team schedule every tine.

    Absolutely. I'd love to see the 7s team given a little more support but it should come behinf the A team in the hierarchy of player development in my opinion.


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    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Neither can I. But if, funding wise, its a choice between the strong A team schedule we have and a 7s team, I'f pick the A team schedule every tine.

    Scotland manage to afford both and their Unions much poorer than ours.


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    Podge_irl wrote: »
    Neither can I. But if, funding wise, its a choice between the strong A team schedule we have and a 7s team, I'f pick the A team schedule every tine.

    Agree 100%, but for the life of me can't see why it needs to be an either-or.


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    Scotland manage to afford both and their Unions much poorer than ours.

    They do, and they are poorer BUT they're also 5 places behind us in the world rankings...

    Saying that, I think a 7s team would be a great addition to our international representation. Younger lads would love the opportunity to travel the world and play against some of the fastest and most skillful rugby players in the world. The experience they'd gain would be invaluable.


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    toomevara wrote: »
    Agree 100%, but for the life of me can't see why it needs to be an either-or.

    Me neither, but it does seem to be the line constantly trotted out by the IRFU, though I don't know how much merit it has in reality.


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    Again I dont see why it has to be an either/or situation either.

    Repayments for Landsdown road asside, the coffers of the IRFU have surely never been better.

    Of course other areas need funding like the A team & Connaught.
    But if Scotland can do it, why cant we!


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    Again I dont see why it has to be an either/or situation either
    Its not.
    You'll see what is planned for Sevens during the season next year.
    if Scotland can do it, why cant we!
    Scotland: Fewer professional players & staff (development, active and administrative), smaller infrastructure, greater government funding, fully owned and paid-up stadium.


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    Justind wrote: »
    Its not.
    You'll see what is planned for Sevens during the season next year.

    What do you know we dont?


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    guapos wrote: »
    Why spend money on 7s when our best chance of developing young players (Connacht) is under funded?

    I totally disagree with the Connaught as nursery arguement.

    1) Its taking the piss out of connaught rugby and its supporters/

    2) Bar Keatly and the short, short tenure of Flannery there, when has it been done? Why is Felix Jones in Munster not getting his game, if connaught is some breeding ground for talent?

    Its a dead rubber IMO.


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    The other thing about 7's is its frickin great.

    IMO far more entertaining than the 15man game as it is stands.


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    d'Oracle wrote: »
    IMO far more entertaining than the 15man game as it is stands.

    I dont know about that now, its a different type or game and provides a different kind of entertainment to me.


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    d'Oracle wrote: »
    I totally disagree with the Connaught as nursery arguement.

    1) Its taking the piss out of connaught rugby and its supporters/

    2) Bar Keatly and the short, short tenure of Flannery there, when has it been done? Why is Felix Jones in Munster not getting his game, if connaught is some breeding ground for talent?

    Its a dead rubber IMO.

    Fionn Car, Cronin, Jackman, McCormack, Des Dillon even Victor Costello have all beneffited from playing with Connacht


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    jayteecork wrote: »
    Was watching the 7s action in Dubai on telly.
    All the 6 nations teams were there, the tri-nations, Argentina, 7s regs like Samoa and Fiji, but also teams like Kenya, USA and Zimbabwe.
    But no Ireland.

    With 7s getting into the Olympics and Irish rugby currently on a massive high I thought this situation most strange.

    Anyone know what the story is?

    (Or maybe it's cause Denis McBride retired, lol)
    still no policy from the irfu regarding entering 7s in 2016 olympics
    hong kong 7s coming up every rugby nation repesented
    we need to prepare now...we are sleeping just like the th prop situation
    alex cuthbert has come from the 7s in wales..irish rugby deserve a chance at olympic selection..suits wake up


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    still no policy from the irfu regarding entering 7s in 2016 olympics
    hong kong 7s coming up every rugby nation repesented
    we need to prepare now...we are sleeping just like the th prop situation
    alex cuthbert has come from the 7s in wales..irish rugby deserve a chance at olympic selection..suits wake up
    Its not only the top brass in IRFU who need to wake up, its the provincial and regional youths and schools committees who need to do something

    provincial and all ireland clubs and schools competitions would be great additions to season either at the start of the season before the leagues start up or at the end of the season after the youths cups to end the underage rugby year

    Market them and turn finals into big day out, could be a great idea


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    ormond lad wrote: »
    Its not only the top brass in IRFU who need to wake up, its the provincial and regional youths and schools committees who need to do something

    provincial and all ireland clubs and schools competitions would be great additions to season either at the start of the season before the leagues start up or at the end of the season after the youths cups to end the underage rugby year

    Market them and turn finals into big day out, could be a great idea

    Theres actually a schools 7s tournament on tomorrow in Terenure featuring all the big teams in Leinster.

    http://umbrella7s.ie/


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    It was my understanding that there are club sevens tournaments in Ireland just that they tend to run after the 15's season has ended, not concurrently.


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