Eviction Ban extended

Blut2 · 17-07-2020 11:42pm

Panch18 wrote: »

Not doubting you but would you mind posting a link to those figures?

Sure, from Monday of this week. This quotes all the figures - https://www.thejournal.ie/covid-unemployment-payment-2-5148555-Jul2020/

brisan · 20-07-2020 4:15pm

jrosen wrote: »

The industries are not closed. Hotels the length and breath of Ireland are open for business, as are restaurants, surf camps. Sure some hotels are booked out. You should really check your facts before you state an industry is closed

A hotel of 100 rooms who can now only operate 50 rooms is not at 100% no matter how many of those 50 rooms are full

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/travel/36-hours-in-ireland-s-busiest-tourist-town-we-re-missing-the-americans-1.4306225

Have a read of that and tell me are they doing business or are they open,big difference.
Killarney should be the most successful of all tourist hotspots outside Dublin.
If they are struggling how are the rest of the counties doing .

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/food-and-drink/boxty-house-restaurant-in-temple-bar-closes-indefinitely-after-32-years-1.4308762?mode=sample&auth-failed=1&pw-origin=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.irishtimes.com%2Flife-and-style%2Ffood-and-drink%2Fboxty-house-restaurant-in-temple-bar-closes-indefinitely-after-32-years-1.4308762

brisan · 20-07-2020 4:19pm

jrosen wrote: »

Of course the flights coming into Dublin are down. There was/is a global pandemic with many countries restricting their travel.

Irish people also holiday in Ireland and parts of Ireland are booked up. Its pretty obvious business will struggle with reduced capacity.

https://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/travel/36-hours-in-ireland-s-busiest-tourist-town-we-re-missing-the-americans-1.4306225
The people in the business say differently

brisan · 20-07-2020 4:21pm

redarmyblues wrote: »

A quick search (just to split a hair) of Trivago returned 125 results for a nights accommodation in Galway next Saturday. Vast majority of tourism being closed seems of unlikely.

Did it cross your mind why there are so many .
Normally Galway is booked solid last 2 weeks july/August

brisan · 20-07-2020 4:24pm

RCSATELLITES wrote: »

So a landlord is liable for noise pollution. How can that be. The people making the noise are adults and therefore should be liable for their own actions. Why is the landlord liable? Because he owns the property. What about in a situation where a owner occupier is making noise and has a mortgage, hence the bank owns the property. Is the bank liable for the noise? Is is because the landlord gets paid rent and thats why he is liable? The government takes just over half the profit in taxes, should they take half the blame. Just some things to think about.

Also it is absolutely disgraceful that the government can stop a business (renting property ) from running normally.

Why don't they freeze petrol prices, mortgage interest rates, insurance premiums, the price of face masks, the prices of groceries.

They ask the insurance companies beg the banks and just tell the landlords. That's
absolutely disgraceful they can do that.

The bit in bold does not work that way.
You own the property not the bank.

endacl · 20-07-2020 4:30pm

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Things might be allowed "open" but they're certainly not going full blast. I paid my whole way through college serving dinners, pulling punts and making beds and doing as many hours as possible during the summer.

You know you’re supposed to stand on the back and push them along with a pole?

20-07-2020 4:39pm

Any word yet on the further extension?

brisan · 20-07-2020 4:43pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Any word yet on the further extension?

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0716/1153709-rents-evictions-dail-bill/

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/housing-minister-announces-extension-rent-18611719

I would say they will find a way to extend it till the end of the year .
Too much political suicide to do otherwise

20-07-2020 4:52pm

brisan wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0716/1153709-rents-evictions-dail-bill/

https://www.dublinlive.ie/news/dublin-news/housing-minister-announces-extension-rent-18611719

I would say they will find a way to extend it till the end of the year .
Too much political suicide to do otherwise

Thanks but those articles are 4 and 3 days old respectively. Details of the freeze were to be announced today.

brisan · 20-07-2020 4:57pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Thanks but those articles are 4 and 3 days old respectively. Details of the freeze were to be announced today.

No cabinet meeting today so no green list and no news on rents and evictions.
As I said political suicide to allow evictions with so many on Gov support.
I know one landlord with 6 properties and 2 have not paid since 1st March
Another gave notice they are moving at the end of the month.
So come August his income will be down by 50% for at least a month

brisan · 20-07-2020 4:59pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Thanks but those articles are 4 and 3 days old respectively. Details of the freeze were to be announced today.

Looks like later today

https://www.thejournal.ie/rent-freeze-4-5154437-Jul2020/

Graham · 20-07-2020 5:29pm

Rent freeze to End Aug 1.

New legislation proposed banning evictions until January next year.

Rent freeze during Covid-19 pandemic to end on August 1

brisan · 20-07-2020 5:33pm

Graham wrote: »

Rent freeze to End Aug 1.

New legislation proposed banning evictions until January next year.

Rent freeze during Covid-19 pandemic to end on August 1

So no rent freeze and no evictions if you refuse to pay the higher rate

Graham · 20-07-2020 5:37pm

As in all things, the devil will be in the detail.

I can't see how the no-evictions would survive a constitutional challenge. At the same time, I've no idea who might bring such a challenge,

brisan · 20-07-2020 5:44pm

Graham wrote: »

As in all things, the devil will be in the detail.

I can't see how the no-evictions would survive a constitutional challenge. At the same time, I've no idea who might bring such a challenge,

If a challenge was to come it would more than likely be either a REIT or a landlords association

perfectkama · 20-07-2020 5:49pm

Graham wrote: »

As in all things, the devil will be in the detail.

I can't see how the no-evictions would survive a constitutional challenge. At the same time, I've no idea who might bring such a challenge,

Its being done in other countries anybody taking a challenge might draw a socialist ere.

That said with the long notice's and drawn out re-procession process already makes eviction very difficult here compared to other markets.

Good tenants don't get evicted...

jaykay74 · 20-07-2020 6:00pm

Waiting on the details but I guess no evictions until January means you could serve notice in the meantime if the eviction would then occur in say February. Rather than not being able to give notice until Jan.

david72jenkins · 20-07-2020 7:23pm

Will try and keep the emotion out of this.

My parents both passed away in early 2017, I bought the house from my siblings with the intention of moving back home (have been living away for 30 odd years) wasn't too sure when that was going to be but figured before 2022.

Decided to rent the house in August 2017 at a little below market rate to make sure it was looked after.

Moved me and all my worldly possessions back home in March 2020 (from Australia) with an expectation that I would back into the house having first provided the tenant with more than basic notice period (was thinking 4-5 months).

In the meantime I am imposing on my sister and her husband. which initially was ok (for both parties) as there was a move out plan based on tenant vacating.

27th March is when the emergency 'measures' came in, almost four months later and I have no idea when I will be allowed to move back into my home.

I realise that from a personal perspective I am one of the consequence of the 'Politics' of this situation and before some folk shout 'scum' landlord at all in sundry, we all have some personal story to tell.

Thanks for listening

brisan · 20-07-2020 7:31pm

david72jenkins wrote: »

Will try and keep the emotion out of this.

My parents both passed away in early 2017, I bought the house from my siblings with the intention of moving back home (have been living away for 30 odd years) wasn't too sure when that was going to be but figured before 2022.

Decided to rent the house in August 2017 at a little below market rate to make sure it was looked after.

Moved me and all my worldly possessions back home in March 2020 (from Australia) with an expectation that I would back into the house having first provided the tenant with more than basic notice period (was thinking 4-5 months).

In the meantime I am imposing on my sister and her husband. which initially was ok (for both parties) as there was a move out plan based on tenant vacating.

27th March is when the emergency 'measures' came in, almost four months later and I have no idea when I will be allowed to move back into my home.

I realise that from a personal perspective I am one of the consequence of the 'Politics' of this situation and before some folk shout 'scum' landlord at all in sundry, we all have some personal story to tell.

Thanks for listening

Sorry to hear your story ,but you are not alone .
Just a casualty of war in the fight against Covid 19.
Becoming an accidental landlord is fraught with dangers in Ireland

strangel00p · 20-07-2020 7:35pm

david72jenkins wrote: »

Will try and keep the emotion out of this.

My parents both passed away in early 2017, I bought the house from my siblings with the intention of moving back home (have been living away for 30 odd years) wasn't too sure when that was going to be but figured before 2022.

Decided to rent the house in August 2017 at a little below market rate to make sure it was looked after.

Moved me and all my worldly possessions back home in March 2020 (from Australia) with an expectation that I would back into the house having first provided the tenant with more than basic notice period (was thinking 4-5 months).

In the meantime I am imposing on my sister and her husband. which initially was ok (for both parties) as there was a move out plan based on tenant vacating.

27th March is when the emergency 'measures' came in, almost four months later and I have no idea when I will be allowed to move back into my home.

I realise that from a personal perspective I am one of the consequence of the 'Politics' of this situation and before some folk shout 'scum' landlord at all in sundry, we all have some personal story to tell.

Thanks for listening

The tenants should be looking for alternative accommodation as you have given them plenty of notice. There are lots of properties for rent at the moment. Are you frequently checking with them to see if they are looking?

brisan · 20-07-2020 7:37pm

strangel00p wrote: »

The tenants should be looking for alternative accommodation as you have given them plenty of notice. There are lots of properties for rent at the moment. Are you frequently checking with them to see if they are looking?

if the tenants are happy there why should they be looking for somewhere else??
They cannot be evicted.

david72jenkins · 20-07-2020 7:45pm

Thank you for your empathy brisan, think you probably know as well as I do, really not much to do with fight against Covid as seen from the AG disquiet

david72jenkins · 20-07-2020 7:46pm

Thanks strangel00p, my intention is to discuss with tenant later in the week

brisan · 20-07-2020 7:51pm

david72jenkins wrote: »

Thank you for your empathy brisan, think you probably know as well as I do, really not much to do with fight against Covid as seen from the AG disquiet

The original rent freeze was brought in to help tenants suffering due to the government lock down.
There are still hundreds of thousands of people on Government support due to covid 19
A ban on evictions is a broad axe to justifiably help tenants
Some will abuse it and some will see it as a godsend.
Just like the PUP payments which done their job,some gained from them some lost because of them .
And I have sympathy for you because you became an accidental landlord and were not in the game to make money.

beauf · 20-07-2020 7:53pm

Very unlucky timing.

No choice except to just wait it out.

david72jenkins · 20-07-2020 7:56pm

Thank you again for your reply.

Would appear that we are in vehement agreement that maintaining the freeze is financial rather than on health grounds?

beauf · 20-07-2020 8:03pm

Well there's a mental health aspect.

brisan · 20-07-2020 8:08pm

david72jenkins wrote: »

Thank you again for your reply.

Would appear that we are in vehement agreement that maintaining the freeze is financial rather than on health grounds?

Its both
if a tenant is evicted who houses them
The state?
Plus a homeless shelter is no place for a family in a pandemic.
As I said the rent freeze and the eviction ban were brought in for the right reasons .
Due to the fact they had to be rushed there was bound to unforeseen circumstances for landlords such as yourself
Hopefully your tenants will agree to move out.
Are there other similar properties in your area for similar amounts.
You could offer moving expenses if you can as that may help speed up the process.

Manion · 20-07-2020 8:14pm

brisan wrote: »

The original rent freeze was brought in to help tenants suffering due to the government lock down.
There are still hundreds of thousands of people on Government support due to covid 19
A ban on evictions is a broad axe to justifiably help tenants
Some will abuse it and some will see it as a godsend.
Just like the PUP payments which done their job,some gained from them some lost because of them .
And I have sympathy for you because you became an accidental landlord and were not in the game to make money.

You realise you're responding to someone who is part of a homeless family right?

Panch18 · 20-07-2020 8:18pm

brisan wrote: »

Its both
if a tenant is evicted who houses them
The state?
Plus a homeless shelter is no place for a family in a pandemic.
As I said the rent freeze and the eviction ban were brought in for the right reasons .
Due to the fact they had to be rushed there was bound to unforeseen circumstances for landlords such as yourself
Hopefully your tenants will agree to move out.
Are there other similar properties in your area for similar amounts.
You could offer moving expenses if you can as that may help speed up the process.

They could just pay their rent for a different property

Eviction Ban extended

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