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Eir rural FTTH thread II

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  • #52
    Dev84
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 739 ✭✭✭Dev84


    Why would one need vlan tagging in a domestic setting?


  • #53
    digiman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭digiman


    Dev84 wrote: »
    Why would one need vlan tagging in a domestic setting?

    The ONT tags the traffic towards the CPE with VLAN 10


  • #54
    Dev84
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 739 ✭✭✭Dev84


    digiman wrote: »
    The ONT tags the traffic towards the CPE with VLAN 10

    Fair enough. So vlan10 is the default vlan?

    What i should have asked was why would one need more that 1 vlan in a domestic setting?


  • #55
    digiman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭digiman


    Dev84 wrote: »
    Fair enough. So vlan10 is the default vlan?

    What i should have asked was why would one need more that 1 vlan in a domestic setting?

    It's not a default VLAN as such that you hear of in Cisco books but it is the VLAN that both Eir and SIRO use for their FTTH.

    For domestic services you don't need more than 1 VLAN on the WAN side port if connected to an ONT. If you wanted to separate traffic on your own internal network then you may wish to use more than one VLAN


  • #56
    Dr. Nick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭Dr. Nick


    Plugged in my TP Link N600, thought it might just 'work' but no.....how do i set it up?


  • #57
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Dr. Nick wrote: »
    Plugged in my TP Link N600, thought it might just 'work' but no.....how do i set it up?

    Return it. As picked up by Navi above you can't use it (unless you flash it, and it happens to be the right model/chipset).


  • #58
    Dr. Nick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭Dr. Nick


    ED E wrote: »
    Return it. As picked up by Navi above you can't use it (unless you flash it, and it happens to be the right model/chipset).

    No sorry, it's my original router that I had for Ripplecom.


  • #59
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    Dev84 wrote: »
    Fair enough. So vlan10 is the default vlan?

    What i should have asked was why would one need more that 1 vlan in a domestic setting?

    The reason, they use Vlan tagging (and this applies both to VDSL/FTTC, FTTH on OpenEIR and FTTH on SIRO), is that you can have dedicated VLans for other services like VoIP and TV.

    When the provider takes the option for the additonal Vlan for VoIP for example, then the VoIP Vlans isn't throttled to package speed and works, even when the internet connection is fully loaded.

    If the provider chooses to run VoIP in-band, then it's considered best effort.

    That's the reason for Vlan tagging on modern broadband circuits.

    /M


  • #60
    dollylama
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 295 ✭✭dollylama


    Marlow wrote: »
    The reason, they use Vlan tagging (and this applies both to VDSL/FTTC, FTTH on OpenEIR and FTTH on SIRO), is that you can have dedicated VLans for other services like VoIP and TV.

    When the provider takes the option for the additonal Vlan for VoIP for example, then the VoIP Vlans isn't throttled to package speed and works, even when the internet connection is fully loaded.

    If the provider chooses to run VoIP in-band, then it's considered best effort.

    That's the reason for Vlan tagging on modern broadband circuits.

    /M

    This is interesting

    Does this mean the "throttle" is set within the ONT on the wall... as in 2.5 Gbps is always available operator end of the ONT but the ONT restricts the user end (on the Internet vlan) to 150, 300 or whatever Mbps?


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  • #61
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,669 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Limiting occurs at the exchange


  • #62
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    For Eir at least IPTV and "internet" are both on 10 so it doesn't provide a QOS function. The CPE does that itself. SIP could be tagged uniquely but I haven't seen any signs of that.

    The resource allocation by the OLT is per the GPON spec and nothing to do with 11q/other.


  • #63
    Dev84
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 739 ✭✭✭Dev84


    Marlow wrote: »
    The reason, they use Vlan tagging (and this applies both to VDSL/FTTC, FTTH on OpenEIR and FTTH on SIRO), is that you can have dedicated VLans for other services like VoIP and TV.

    When the provider takes the option for the additonal Vlan for VoIP for example, then the VoIP Vlans isn't throttled to package speed and works, even when the internet connection is fully loaded.

    If the provider chooses to run VoIP in-band, then it's considered best effort.

    That's the reason for Vlan tagging on modern broadband circuits.

    /M

    Yes on the providers side. Not domestically though.


  • #64
    digiman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭digiman


    Marlow wrote: »
    The reason, they use Vlan tagging (and this applies both to VDSL/FTTC, FTTH on OpenEIR and FTTH on SIRO), is that you can have dedicated VLans for other services like VoIP and TV.

    When the provider takes the option for the additonal Vlan for VoIP for example, then the VoIP Vlans isn't throttled to package speed and works, even when the internet connection is fully loaded.

    If the provider chooses to run VoIP in-band, then it's considered best effort.

    That's the reason for Vlan tagging on modern broadband circuits.

    /M

    That’s not true actually, for residential services all types of traffic (internet, VOIP, IPTV) come in on VLAN 10. The QoS is based on the class of service bits within the vlan header and there are multiple ways the OLT can manage that which I won’t go into the detail here.

    In basic terms there are 3 class of service, 0,2 & 4 which carry internet, iptv and voip respectively. Each one can have a committed and peak rate and traffic can pass or drop depending on the specific QoS detail. There are multiple ways to handle that though and a few references available online on how it can be done.


  • #65
    garroff
    Registered Users Posts: 518 ✭✭✭garroff


    digiman wrote: »
    That’s not true actually, for residential services all types of traffic (internet, VOIP, IPTV) come in on VLAN 10. The QoS is based on the class of service bits within the vlan header and there are multiple ways the OLT can manage that which I won’t go into the detail here.

    In basic terms there are 3 class of service, 0,2 & 4 which carry internet, iptv and voip respectively. Each one can have a committed and peak rate and traffic can pass or drop depending on the specific QoS detail. There are multiple ways to handle that though and a few references available online on how it can be done.
    Is there a moderator reading this?


  • #66
    digiman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭digiman


    dollylama wrote: »
    This is interesting

    Does this mean the "throttle" is set within the ONT on the wall... as in 2.5 Gbps is always available operator end of the ONT but the ONT restricts the user end (on the Internet vlan) to 150, 300 or whatever Mbps?

    As someone else said it is restricted on the OLT at the exchange.


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  • #67
    digiman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,227 ✭✭✭digiman


    garroff wrote: »
    Is there a moderator reading this?

    What do you mean?


  • #68
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    garroff wrote: »
    Is there a moderator reading this?

    No moderation in BB/Nets for the guts of a year. CMods were informed (If you're reading you had your responsible disclosure time).


  • #69
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    garroff wrote: »
    Is there a moderator reading this?
    If you have any issues with a post, then please report the post and a moderator will investigate it.
    press the report.gif icon under the poster's name to report the post.


  • #70
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    If you have any issues with a post, then please report the post and a moderator will investigate it.
    press the https://b-static.net/vbulletin/images/custom/beta2/buttons/report.gif icon to report the post.

    I fail to see any issue with the post though. digiman knows his stuff in this area.


  • #71
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 31,118 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Dominique Loud Waistband wrote: »
    I fail to see any issue with the post though. digiman knows his stuff in this area.
    True, I don't see any issues either.
    Just wondering why the poster queried moderation.


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  • #72
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    True, I don't see any issues either.
    Just wondering why the poster queried moderation.

    Perhaps we're both misinterpreting the post.


  • #73
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Deleted User wrote: »
    If you have any issues with a post, then please report the post and a moderator will investigate it.
    press the report.gif icon under the poster's name to report the post.

    Thats the idea anyways...


  • #74
    jaydev
    Registered Users Posts: 42 ✭jaydev


    Can anybody on here confirm which company is in control of installing fibre splice boxes on the fibre trunk from the cabinet?
    My house has been skipped and houses further away are up and running with FTTH on the same trunk, but mine is not available (on the system) presumably because I have no splice box (hence no DP number) near enough to allow the KN guys to install. The pole with the first splice-box in the run is 5 poles past my house.

    I can't find any information about how to escalate this - anybody have a clue or can PM me that would be awesome.

    Cheers, Jay


  • #75
    shigllgetcha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 253 ✭✭shigllgetcha


    If youre on efibre you probably wont get ftth is your house on fibrerollout.ie?

    If not, youre screwed


  • #76
    jaydev
    Registered Users Posts: 42 ✭jaydev


    shigllgetcha wrote: »
    If youre on efibre you probably wont get ftth is your house on fibrerollout.ie?

    If not, youre screwed


    Yes I'm there on fibrerollout.ie - it's just that the splice box hasn't been installed - seems like they either completely forgot, intentionally ignored the 18/19 or so houses right across the road from the cabinet or there's been another miscommunication.

    The folks 5 poles down (further from the cabinet on same road) have it installed.


  • #77
    Grab All Association
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,921 ✭✭✭Grab All Association


    KN in Borrisoleigh running fibre through the ducts.


  • #78
    jgbyr
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,377 ✭✭✭jgbyr


    jaydev wrote: »
    Can anybody on here confirm which company is in control of installing fibre splice boxes on the fibre trunk from the cabinet?
    My house has been skipped and houses further away are up and running with FTTH on the same trunk, but mine is not available (on the system) presumably because I have no splice box (hence no DP number) near enough to allow the KN guys to install. The pole with the first splice-box in the run is 5 poles past my house.

    I can't find any information about how to escalate this - anybody have a clue or can PM me that would be awesome.

    Cheers, Jay

    Don't know if this is any help but maybe contact Openeir & explain what's happening. Here's an email address
    fibrepower@openeir.ie


  • #79
    banjopeter
    Registered Users Posts: 87 ✭✭banjopeter


    After 5 years DCCAE have released a redacted version of the NBP Mk I.
    It was a 100% wireless solution. (From Ireland Offline) See it here as PDF:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/odq70hq6m3tqflu/REDACTED_Analysys%20Mason%20report%20for%20DCENR%20-%20NGB%20options%20analysis%20%28updated%29%20copy.pdf?dl=0


  • #80
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,110 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    jaydev wrote: »
    Yes I'm there on fibrerollout.ie - it's just that the splice box hasn't been installed - seems like they either completely forgot, intentionally ignored the 18/19 or so houses right across the road from the cabinet or there's been another miscommunication.

    The folks 5 poles down (further from the cabinet on same road) have it installed.

    A green fibre cabinet?


  • #81
    Gooser14
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,627 ✭✭✭Gooser14


    Gooser14 wrote: »
    I have noticed contractors clearing ducting on the road out of Newport (Tipperary) towards Rockvale Cemetery & Ahane Cross in preperation for laying Eir fibre. The roll out map shows it is scheduled to go live in the area by mid 2018.

    Tree trimming carried out today between Ahane Cross and Castlewaller/Cully.


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  • #82
    The Cush
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,636 ✭✭✭✭The Cush


    Gooser14 wrote: »
    Tree trimming carried out today between Ahane Cross and Castlewaller/Cully.

    Saw them last week on the road to Rearcross.


  • #83
    cnocbui
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,110 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    jaydev wrote: »
    Yes I'm there on fibrerollout.ie - it's just that the splice box hasn't been installed - seems like they either completely forgot, intentionally ignored the 18/19 or so houses right across the road from the cabinet or there's been another miscommunication.

    The folks 5 poles down (further from the cabinet on same road) have it installed.

    A green fibre cabinet?


  • #84
    dollylama
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 295 ✭✭dollylama


    banjopeter wrote: »
    After 5 years DCCAE have released a redacted version of the NBP Mk I.
    It was a 100% wireless solution. (From Ireland Offline) See it here as PDF:
    https://www.dropbox.com/s/odq70hq6m3tqflu/REDACTED_Analysys%20Mason%20report%20for%20DCENR%20-%20NGB%20options%20analysis%20%28updated%29%20copy.pdf?dl=0

    Christ... Analysys Mason. The same Analysys Mason who presided over the NBS back in the day

    What's with our fetish for handing state contracts to shyster consultancy / outsourcing firms from the UK


  • #85
    Dr. Nick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭Dr. Nick


    Only getting to mess around this now. Getting 92mbps plugged in on a 300 package, would my laptop be restricting the speed?


  • #86
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,669 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Dr. Nick wrote: »
    Only getting to mess around this now. Getting 92mbps plugged in on a 300 package, would my laptop be restricting the speed?

    Possibly - whats the model?


  • #87
    Dr. Nick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭Dr. Nick


    HP PAVILION i5 2.6ghz 8gb
    Windows 10


  • #88
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,669 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Dr. Nick wrote: »
    HP PAVILION i5 2.6ghz 8gb
    Windows 10

    Model number? From what I can find in that broad range of laptops its only 10/100


  • #89
    Dr. Nick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,420 ✭✭✭Dr. Nick


    fritzelly wrote: »
    Model number? From what I can find in that broad range of laptops its only 10/100

    15 P189sa


  • #90
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    Dr. Nick wrote: »
    15 P189sa

    Sounds very like 100Mb network card but to be sure, click the bottom left Start button on desktop, type device manager in the search box and tap Device Manager on the menu. Expand network adapters and post the model of network card you have.


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  • #91
    fritzelly
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,669 ✭✭✭✭fritzelly


    Dr. Nick wrote: »
    15 P189sa

    Yep, 10/100

    https://support.hp.com/ie-en/document/c04498075


  • #92
    fergoc
    Registered Users Posts: 39 ✭fergoc


    Does anyone know if I can use my existing Fritzbox router to configure the VOIP function to work with eir's VOIP service or do they force you to use the F2000 for this function? I plan to continue to use the Fritzbox as my router after FTTH installation and was hoping that I don't need to keep a 2nd router powered on purely for phone.

    I am using a Fritzbox 7390.


  • #93
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    fergoc wrote: »
    Does anyone know if I can use my existing Fritzbox router to configure the VOIP function to work with eir's VOIP service or do they force you to use the F2000 for this function? I plan to continue to use the Fritzbox as my router after FTTH installation and was hoping that I don't need to keep a 2nd router powered on purely for phone.

    I am using a Fritzbox 7390.

    I'm not sure if anyone in the thread has approached eir looking for the SIP password but I know someone in the SIRO thread asked Vodafone and they refused to give it out. If I were to guess I would say eir will refuse also but it doesn't hurt to ask.


  • #94
    fergoc
    Registered Users Posts: 39 ✭fergoc


    I asked about the SIP credentials on the Talk to eir forum but was told to call customer services. Since I am not yet officially a customer, I will wait until my service is enabled before calling and let you know if they give out these details or not.


  • #95
    tsue921i8wljb3
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,017 ✭✭✭tsue921i8wljb3


    fergoc wrote: »
    I asked about the SIP credentials on the Talk to eir forum but was told to call customer services. Since I am not yet officially a customer, I will wait until my service is enabled before calling and let you know if they give out these details or not.

    All you will need to ask for is the SIP password. The rest of the details can be obtained from the eir router.


  • #96
    fergoc
    Registered Users Posts: 39 ✭fergoc


    Thanks navi. I will ask for that once I get my install completed. Unfortunately my install failed today due to needing a hoist to run the cable through some trees on a very busy road...so a few more days to wait to get off my 3Mb connection!


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  • #97
    opengoal
    Registered Users Posts: 110 ✭✭opengoal


    Hi guys.. Ftth is being rolled out in my area. I am very keen to get this installed as soon as it's available (map says first half 2018 and there has been some new poles installed and cabling attached) . What should I do in order to get this as soon as its available? For example, do I need an active phone line connected first? I had a phone line connected at one stage but not active now, should I get the line activated now or is there anything else I should be doing in preparation ? Thanks.


  • #98
    Marlow
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,555 ✭✭✭✭Marlow


    opengoal wrote: »
    Hi guys.. Ftth is being rolled out in my area. I am very keen to get this installed as soon as it's available (map says first half 2018 and there has been some new poles installed and cabling attached) . What should I do in order to get this as soon as its available? For example, do I need an active phone line connected first? I had a phone line connected at one stage but not active now, should I get the line activated now or is there anything else I should be doing in preparation ? Thanks.

    FTTH has nothing to do with phone lines. It's an entire different (fiber) cable and line being brought to the premise.

    All you need is your eircode. And patience. That's it.

    /M


  • #99
    KellyXX
    Registered Users Posts: 365 ✭✭KellyXX


    Any point in getting faster then their 150mbps if you are just using wifi and will never be wired to the router?


  • #100
    ED E
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,169 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    KellyXX wrote: »
    Any point in getting faster then their 150mbps if you are just using wifi and will never be wired to the router?

    No.

    Rule of thumb: if you have to ask you don't need it. Very few households see much benefit north of 100Mb.


  • #101
    long_b
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,945 ✭✭✭long_b


    ED E wrote: »
    No.

    Rule of thumb: if you have to ask you don't need it. Very few households see much benefit north of 100Mb.

    Unless you're numerous like the Brady Bunch or the Partridge family


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