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Gamer Bhoy 89 wrote: »The Novistadores in the sewers. My reaction time is nothing like it used to be and they keep jumping all over the place. I hate their acid-vomit maneuver - takes way too much health off me.
They do have the best death animation though!
Never found that part too difficult but I've ninja reflexes if my sekiro playthrough says anything.
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Played a bit of Megaman 7 on the side but it turned out to be easy enough and ended up inhaling it and finishing it.
But when I say easy enough it was pretty easy until I got to the last boss which was an absolutely insane difficulty spike. Turns out this is regarded as the toughest final boss in the series. Read the game was made in a 3 month rush and they wanted to make the last boss stupidly hard and requiring E-Tanks to finish. I actually think you don't have enough shots of the only weapon that damages him to kill him.
It's a decent game but you can tell it was rushed. There's a horror themed level with an easter egg where it will play the ghouls n'ghost music remixed.
The music in these snes megaman games is good but it's not a patch on the NES compositions which are way better.
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Finished The Last of Us Remastered, & the Left Behind DLC. Loved every minute of it. I'm a total sucker for linear games which have a strong narrative, & this excels in that regard. They created a beautiful game world, and they nailed the whole sense of decay. Characters, voice acting, music, controls, AI, graphics, sounds, enemies....they just nailed it.
No spoilers for the sequel please, planning on playing through that quite soon. I gather the it's polarised people for whatever reason though.
No spoilers.
The initial polarisation was because bigots couldn't handle some of the themes of the game. And incredibly for bigots what they were shouting loudest about was something that the completely got wrong about the game.
The later polarisation is that the story and writing is really weak especially compared to the first game. It's also way too long. I did actually find the gameplay a lot of fun but not for the 20 hours or so it took to beat.
I do really like the Last of Us despite my criticism of it, I just have a big issue with one scene at the end of the game that really irks me and kind of ruins it. Although by ruins its more frustration that it was almost incredible than it being entirely worthless.
Left Behind on the other hand is pretty much the best thing Naughty Dog have done. Fantastic little slice of narrative that isn't afraid to slow down, something naughty dog games should do more often.
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Retr0gamer wrote: »I do really like the Last of Us despite my criticism of it, I just have a big issue with one scene at the end of the game that really irks me and kind of ruins it. Although by ruins its more frustration that it was almost incredible than it being entirely worthless.
Explain...
Left Behind on the other hand is pretty much the best thing Naughty Dog have done. Fantastic little slice of narrative that isn't afraid to slow down, something naughty dog games should do more often.
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Explain...The scene in the surgery. I don't know was it because I was studying game design at the time but I found it a total failure of game design.
The issue for me is that the game gives the player choice by letting them move around and has full free will. There's only one choice the player can make, Joels choice of killing the doctor. And if you don't want to do that the whole game scene falls apart. If you try to bypass it the scene gets really janky and you get stuff like me shooting the doctor in the toe because I didn't want to kill him and him dropping dead.
The issue is the game is Joel's story not the player's. Up to that point all those decisions are played out in cutscenes as it's joel's not the player's decision and its his story. Giving the player the illusion of choice when there isn't any just sets them up for suspension of disbelief to be shattered.
I've been told I was being nitpicky but it was really jarring for me. Apparently I should have been so caught up in the story that I should have killed him without hesitation. But I can't really accept that as there's going to be people
where that doesn't work.
It's a failure of game design to me. It's basically like the impassable knee high barrier. As a game designer you should know that if the player is given an oppurtunity like that to go explore something off the beaten track they are more likely than not to test it and if you rub up against an invisible wall you shatter the suspension of disbelief. This is what happened to me here.
I get what they were going for, making the player more involved. And I don't think that it needed to be an non interactive cutscene either. Other games have done it better. Spec Ops the Line has these moral dilemma moments but handles different player choices really well (and I think Last of Us tried to copy this game and didn't quite grasp what Spec Ops did, but that's speculation on my part). I think a better example again is the end of Metal Gear Solid 3 where there's a similar event but the game does a better job of giving the player just that one choice so it's Snake's decision but the player is also involved in it.
It doesn't ruin the game, it's just a tiny blemish I have with it right at the end but it's hard to discuss it when the entire internet is shouting at me and doesn't want to discuss what I think is actually a really interesting game design topic to explore[
Either that or I'm just really annoying.
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It's minor in the grand scheme of things it's just something that really stuck with me because it had been perfectly presented up to that point, it was the first time anything like this was present to the player in the game and probably fresh in my memory because I was learning it at the time but it was a game design 101 failure I was surprised they made.
In a lesser game I probably would have glossed over it but it stood out as I said because the rest of the game was mostly spot on. The game becoming too videogamy at parts is another issue I think naughty dog have been struggling with. Left behind I felt really addressed that. And last of us 2 totally ignored.
Aside from nitpicks I do love how it's all a character study of Joel and handled really well.He is a selfish asshole who is given a chance at redemption and blows it for selfish reasons but then it's a very hard decision to make.The biggest issue I have with the sequel is that it's so black and white compared to the nuance of joel in the first and ends up so much less interesting.
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Well I definitely saw that as well but, and I might be reading into it a bit more,since his daughters death joel has become a very selfish person and an asshole. I think his bonding with Ellie was his redemption arc. What makes it more interesting is that we don't get the disney ending. People dont really change and underneath it all joel was always that selfish asshole and it's that which ruins his redemption arc. There might be altruistic reasons for doing what he did at the end but what I got from it is he did it for himself. He couldn't let Ellie go. And the final scene when he lies to her shows that he might have saved her but ruined their relationship forever.
It's why I don't understand how people can call joel a hero. All through the game there's hints of that selfish joel coming out. Thetorture scene in particular. It's always bubbling away under the surface and in the end he lets it ruin his own redemption
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I think it's the why he did it that is the most damning.He didn't do it for Ellie's sake, he did it for himself. It was him that needed Ellie as a surrogate daughter. And that's why at the end he lies to her. It's not to protect her, it's so he won't lose her. But by telling her he will lose her in the end anyway. And that's why he is a selfish asshole in the end. There's also the fact he takes the nuclear option with everything. Killing smugglers, torture and a wanton rage of violence in the end. It seems throughout everytime to think Joel is finally learning and becoming a better person the real selfish Joel comes out and screws it up.
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Retr0gamer wrote: »That's in stark contrast to last of us 2....
Dying to play it, but need to wait until I've got a sufficient chunk of time to devote to it. I don't want to be giving it an hour a week kinda thing.
In the meantime, I've started Sonic 3 again. I've never completed it in one sitting, in fact, I don't think I've ever gotten beyond the Launch Base zone (at the very end of the game). I know everyone loves the Sonic 3 sprites, but I really miss the Sonic 1 spritework....I just don't like how they changed the look for Sonic 3.0 -
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Fat Sonic 1 sprite for the win! Miles better than anything that came after it.
Did you play that Sonic 1 prototype much actually? I've played through it a few times now, it's just so weird noting all the differences.
What I find especially weird is stuff that was removed from the final game. Still in two minds whether or not they should have remove the alternative Sonic sprite of him punching the air when you finish a level and jump around.
The boulders are really weird too, would love to know what the logic was with them.
Yeah played a few mins of it, it's bizarre. The boulders are really weird, the guys at Digital Foundry in a livestream reckoned the boulders were placed there as a physics test by the devs. Makes sense I suppose. The victory jump needed to go, it's horrible
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Dying to play it, but need to wait until I've got a sufficient chunk of time to devote to it. I don't want to be giving it an hour a week kinda thing.
Take a break. Even without coming straight from a TPS you'll be burned out long before the end.
Was talking to a friend at xmas who told me he was near the end of the game and going to finish it that night. Told me where he was. I told him he was 7 hours into a 22 hour gameYeah played a few mins of it, it's bizarre. The boulders are really weird, the guys at Digital Foundry in a livestream reckoned the boulders were placed there as a physics test by the devs. Makes sense I suppose. The victory jump needed to go, it's horrible It's a weird build of the game, great to see it & be able to play it.
I think that's pretty much it. They were put in the levels because they had a fancy physics engine that could do weird things but they got removed because they broke up the flow of the game and added nothing to the gameplay.
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That's what game development is all about. It's not just placing obstacles in the players way, there's a lot of play testing to figure out what flows better and makes a better feeling game. This sonic prototype really highlights how small changes like obstacle placement can make a game so much better.
I had it myself where I added a mechanic to my own game and was really proud of it as it took a huge amount of work to implement and worked perfectly. All the play testers complained it was too hard and had a big argument about removing it with the project manager to come out of the meeting in a massive huff after winning the argument to then realise that it was a game to teach kids maths and making it too hard wasn't the right thing. Had to apologise to the PM and then ended up rolling back and losing all that work.
I think the funniest story is with diablo. It was initially a turn based rogue like but all the staff wanted it to be real time. The director had a massive argument saying it wouldn't work and the whole game would need to be rebuilt from scratch to make it real time. He went home with the current build, managed to make the game real time in about 2 hours of coding and when he played it it was a total revelation and pretty much invented a new genreFat Sonic 1 sprite for the win! Miles better than anything that came after it.
I see what you did there!
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Started Mischief Makers last night.
Have wanted to start it for ages but a lot of N64 games require the N64 controller to be playable because of unique control schemes so have had to wait for a N64 hybrid controller to be ordered from retrobit.
It's a strange game. Looks awful and there's not a lot of thought put into aesthetics but they managed to pull so many great level ideas and set pieces out of its esoteric control scheme. It reminds me a lot of Bangai-O and I wouldn't be surprised if the same team was involved. The localisation is hilarious, some laugh out loud moments.
Also been playing some Megaman 8. It's insane that reviews at the time said this game was ugly and looked like a 16-bit game. The 2D work is absolutely gorgeous and there's no way a 16-bit machine was doing this at the time.
It's a decent game but have some issues. I watched this game being speedrun a lot at AGDQ and they all complain about the amount of auto scrolling sections. It is a big deal even casually. Levels are also too long and it has that Megaman GB/7 thing where you defeat 4 robot masters before going to the next set.
The absolute best thing about the game is the voice acting. It's beyond terrible. The actors are woeful. One robotmaster gets his name wrong. Megaman is quite clearly played by a girl. Best of all is Dr. Light. His VO has absolutely no charisma, fluffs his lines constantly and has a speech impediment. It's insane how bad it is.
It's funny how MM8 could be so bad and yet for MM Legends they created one of the all time great localisations.
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As a massive Treasure fan it's always been on my to try list but just haven't had the time to dedicate to it. I didn't see it anywhere else but thought it was a well known niche game (nice morning oxymoron).
I got my PAL copy for very cheap and my japanese copy dirt cheap as well but worth getting the US copy for the 60Hz and the hilariously bizarre nonsense story.
N64 prices have been relatively sane. All the nostalgia fair weather collectors just go for the popular games which have risen in price but the hidden gems like Mischief Makers and Sin and Punishment are still very affordable.
I think that there were so few good games on the N64 that even the weird bizarre stuff sold well because people were so desperate for something good to play on the system. And nintendo's cart policy meant you had to produce quite a few carts. There were no 10,000-40,000 copy runs like you'd get on PS1 or Saturns.
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I managed to nab an NTSC US cart on ebay for a tenner, so am looking forward to giving it a go. (hard to believe you can still buy old games for so cheap!)
What's your take on Silhouette Mirage actually? It's another one on my 'Treasure games I really need to spend more time with' list.
It's a game I've got to try and get into. Only played a little of it.
Working Designs brought it to the US and decided to change the game up significantly, increasing damage and health values for enemies and making the shop prices much higher. So it became a slog for me and I found out I was supposed to be grinding cash off cannon fodder but this slows the game down significantly.
However the localisation is really good and funny.
The best way to play it is apparently the Saturn version as it looks nicer and runs a lot better. But it's all in japanese and supposedly very easy.
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I posted 5 years ago, looking for an arcade game I was playing at high school...
Since the thread is closed, I am quoting myself here:I am looking for an old game, before 1987, where you had to destroy a castle at the top of the map, while throwing torches to it.
The most unique part of this game was the music. Throughout the game it was playing "Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart: Rondo alla Turca".
Does anybody remember it?
Today, I found it! It is the Naughty Boy.
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Is that the Switch version, Gunlord X, or the one on the Dreamcast?
Playing it on th Dreamcast, didn't know it had a Switch release actually!
I hope the 'X' means they sent the idea off to a Japanese game studio who rebuilt the game from scratch
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Playing it on the Dreamcast, didn't know it had a Switch release actually!
I hope the 'X' means they sent the idea off to a Japanese game studio who rebuilt the game from scratch
Ah, I'm sure some will enjoy it. Just not my cuppa tea at all.
Not sure who worked on it but it is described, on their wiki page, as "improved".
Not sure that is the same as "fixed".
The original got consistent 8/10 scores in the press, back in 2012, which is the DC version.
I just bought it on the Eshop, 9.99.
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Feck this, I've had enough!
Switched over to Bangai-O to cleanse my brain of that filth :pac:
Let me know how you find it. The 'Ah ha!' moment is when you realise you need to use dashing a lot as it gives you i-frames then when you do a charge attack you reset your dash meter. It's all about chaining them together and also risk and reward of charging the charge attack for just long enough that you are a frame away from annihilation.
As for Euro shooters, the only ones I really enjoyed were the Turrican games. And even then I think outside of Turrican even Trent let himself down with rendering ranger which is not good despite what people will tell you.
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Finished the first world of Mischief Makers.
It's absolutely bat **** insane. The level of variety in stages is just nuts. The secret bonus in each stage is fun to hunt as well. Well worth giving a go just to see how utterly insane it gets.
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I'm not sure if the dashing is a little different in the original game, I must go back. But in missile fury there was a moment when it all clicked and I realised that dashing and resetting the dash meter with a burst attack was the real way to play the game.
I heard the original is a more straightforward game whereas the DS and 360 game take the mechanics and do crazy stuff with them and they are near puzzle games and have more in common with Mischief Makers.
I really, really miss Treasure.
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