The new Priory hall whos are the brave ones ?

handlemaster · 23-10-2016 6:06pm #1

whos going to have a look at New priory hall. At this state it should be pretty good spec::

Hollister11 · 23-10-2016 6:08pm

They look incredible, and there cheap.

handlemaster · 23-10-2016 6:25pm

cheap ? there quiet small, two bed 65 sq ms !!!

The_Conductor · 23-10-2016 6:30pm

handlemaster wrote: »

cheap ? there quiet small, two bed 65 sq ms !!!

However- 65m/2 for a 2 bed- is pretty standard these days- unfortunately the days of having oodles of space- went the way of the dodo somewhere in the early 90s..........

Spec looks quite good. Price is reasonable- however, of course- good luck ever selling it- if you decide to try- its a bit of an unknown commodity.

Could be a worthwhile punt for someone- providing they intended to live there themselves, and not try to sell for a protracted period of time?

Hollister11 · 23-10-2016 6:32pm

165000 for a 2 bed thats 700sq ft in Dublin, with a bus outside your door and a dart town the road. That is cheap.

vmb · 23-10-2016 6:42pm

Who is going to buy an apartment in front of some semi demolished buildings?

it looks really ugly.

The_Conductor · 23-10-2016 6:49pm

vmb wrote: »

Who is going to buy an apartment in front of some semi demolished buildings?

it looks really ugly.

Its not going to look as ugly forever........
If you're willing to think outside the box- and ignore the history of the place- its entirely possible you may get yourself a nice property at a significant discount to what you might expect to pay in a different development..........

Eric Cartman · 23-10-2016 6:59pm

The_Conductor wrote: »

Its not going to look as ugly forever........
If you're willing to think outside the box- and ignore the history of the place- its entirely possible you may get yourself a nice property at a significant discount to what you might expect to pay in a different development..........

can mere mortals ignore the history - yes, will insurance companies - perhaps not.

That would be my biggest concern is that they are marked uninsurable.

Atlantic Dawn · 23-10-2016 7:03pm

The basic structure is the same as it was when they were condemned, I'd be worried over time they might find more serious issues like they were built on sand or something. Is pyrite not an issue on these?

riclad · 23-10-2016 7:28pm

I think there was problems with the old buildings, re they did not comply with safety standards re fire safety .if you are buying you could get a survey and maybe ask for a gaurantee the new building is compliant
with 2016 building regs and fire safety standards .
Are they good value for apartments in that location and that size.
Look on daft ie ,see what other apartments go for.
Find out where was the new building inspected by the council or is just
a case of someone signing a form ,This building is built as shown in the plans and is compliant
with 2016 building regs and fire safety standards .

goz83 · 23-10-2016 8:03pm

My brother is actually getting one of these as a council tenant. I visited the apartment when he was to view it. Yes, they are small, but the build quality is excellent. They put huge effort into these because of the history and wanted to make sure everything was right. The location really is super....especially for him. His kids go to school locally and we grew up in the area. The park is one the community enjoys. Bus right outside, Dart station down the road. Oodles of amenities.

WindomEarle · 23-10-2016 8:33pm

The_Conductor wrote: »

good luck ever selling it- if you decide to try- its a bit of an unknown commodity.

It is probably a far more known quantity than any other apartment block built in that era, given the amount of investigations and reviews that have gone on.

The_Conductor · 23-10-2016 8:47pm

WindomEarle wrote: »

It is probably a far more known quantity than any other apartment block built in that era, given the amount of investigations and reviews that have gone on.

What I meant was- given how much information is out there on Priory Hall- whether you're able to sell it down the road, or not, is a bit of an unknown quantity.........

Well kitted out it certainly is- however, if a block of apartments complying with current regs were built half a mile down the road- its a bit of a no-brainer which people would go for?

newacc2015 · 24-10-2016 12:19am

I cant believe they didnt rename it something different. I seen the pics online and I was really impressed. It looks like those luxury apartments that were twice the price in Smithfield. The energy rating is really good on them

I imagine they will probably be the most fire safe apartments in Dublin. They will know buyers and the media will be going through the apartments with a fine tooth comb.

One concern I would have is the sinking fund. If the development is a redevelopment is the sinking fund empty? I know the apartments have been gutted with a new roof etc. But it is still important to have one

The_Conductor · 24-10-2016 7:00am

newacc2015 wrote: »

One concern I would have is the sinking fund. If the development is a redevelopment is the sinking fund empty? I know the apartments have been gutted with a new roof etc. But it is still important to have one

Its important to have a provision for one in place- it is up to the owners then, what happens with it.

Its moot to be honest, whether, or not, it is a funded sinking fund- after the carnage of the last decade- while all developments have sinking funds- the vast majority of them are either unfunded in their entirety- or funded to levels below the official guidelines.

The guidelines are just that though- guidelines- there is no penalty for failing to adhere to the guidelines (with the exception of Companies legislation- if a Management Company is proven to be trading while insolvent, the directors risk being prescribed, which can include a ban on holding a company position for a period of up to 12 years (and thats providing there is no criminality involved- in which case there are other penalties that might apply).

All-in-all- the presence, or lack of presence, of a sinking fund- in the context of a development such as this- is meaningless.

As long as there is not significant debt overhang on the Management Company (from the restorative works)- you're really quids in- and the sink fund, and the operation of the Management Company- is what the new owners make it.

Gumbo · 24-10-2016 11:56am

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

The basic structure is the same as it was when they were condemned, I'd be worried over time they might find more serious issues like they were built on sand or something. Is pyrite not an issue on these?

The basic structure had no faults from what I was told (RC Frame).
The redevelopment saw the blocks stripped back to the shell and rebuilt from there up. I don't think pyrite would be an issue as I can't see them not checking while these works were on going.

riclad wrote: »

I think there was problems with the old buildings, re they did not comply with safety standards re fire safety .if you are buying you could get a survey and maybe ask for a gaurantee the new building is compliant
with 2016 building regs and fire safety standards .
Are they good value for apartments in that location and that size.
Look on daft ie ,see what other apartments go for.
Find out where was the new building inspected by the council or is just
a case of someone signing a form ,This building is built as shown in the plans and is compliant
with 2016 building regs and fire safety standards .

One of the fire safety issues was with the external facade not been compartmentised properly and the fixings of same back to the frame. In the case of a fire in one unit, it could enter this void and the connections were not fire rated correctly so the whole front facade in theory could fall off onto the fire tenders below.

The Council Architects section supervised the construction with their own clerk of works on site permanently so my opinion is they they are better constructed now to current standards. But it's worth noting that the TGD Part B currently in use is the same regulations since 2006 so they haven't changed.

WindomEarle · 24-10-2016 12:39pm

The_Conductor wrote: »

Well kitted out it certainly is- however, if a block of apartments complying with current regs were built half a mile down the road- its a bit of a no-brainer which people would go for?

I know where you're coming from, but how would you know if the other block was complying with the current regs? It would not have gone through the same degree of scrutiny as Priory Hall.

Gumbo · 24-10-2016 12:51pm

WindomEarle wrote: »

I know where you're coming from, but how would you know if the other block was complying with the current regs? It would not have gone through the same degree of scrutiny as Priory Hall.

It's worth noting the the current fire safety regs are the same since 2006.
They will be updated next year though.

Also, the MC should have no reconstruction costs as didn't DCC buy and restore them?

goz83 · 24-10-2016 12:52pm

Passing by an hour ago. They had viewings over the weekend. According to the security guard, they are all sold now.

CFC007 · 24-10-2016 6:45pm

Are these been sold as new builds i.e. Fall under the help to buy scheme?

The_Conductor · 24-10-2016 7:36pm

CFC007 wrote: »

Are these been sold as new builds i.e. Fall under the help to buy scheme?

Technically- they fail to meet Revenue's definition of a 'new build'- however, if they sold out over the weekend, anything is possible (that said- they priced them to get them the hell out the door- regardless of whether they are new builds, or not, they were priced to sell........)

CFC007 · 25-10-2016 1:45pm

Phase one fully sold out as confirmed above. I'm out of the country at the moment but would have liked to have been able to view the 2 bed duplex. I've been added to the cancellation list but more than likely will have to wait for phase 2. Any idea how far the redevelopment is in phase 2?

goz83 · 25-10-2016 2:01pm

CFC007 wrote: »

Phase one fully sold out as confirmed above. I'm out of the country at the moment but would have liked to have been able to view the 2 bed duplex. I've been added to the cancellation list but more than likely will have to wait for phase 2. Any idea how far the redevelopment is in phase 2?

At a guess, assuming phase 2 is the opposite side of the street, I would say a good year. They are bare a$$ right now. My brother is expecting to be moving in within the next fortnight, so if I get anymore info, i'll post it up here.

goz83 · 03-11-2016 12:12am

18-24 months I am told by acouncil official

JMNK · 29-01-2017 9:09pm

I have been thru the mill with the vendor the city council Dublin City Council DCC. They are selling these apts WITHOUT planning permission compliance. Yes they have the best builds in Dublin fantastic but to get the mortgage awarded the city council are not releasing any sort of planning docs. They are now suggesting a banking federation approach. Are there any other of the 40+ buyers out there having the same conveyancing problems. This is very serious in terms of planning law. The city council are being economic with the truth here. It will become a problem for any of us who may wish to sell in five years or so. I have been advised by other local authority architects that DCC should have a Part 8 Planning Act for this rebuild but none exists. If all buyers put this issue to DCC then they will need to sort it by Ministerial order for retention. Buyer beware. Let's get DCC to resolve it. They must be fair but are not which is very poor.

Gumbo · 29-01-2017 10:36pm

JMNK wrote: »

I have been thru the mill with the vendor the city council Dublin City Council DCC. They are selling these apts WITHOUT planning permission compliance. Yes they have the best builds in Dublin fantastic but to get the mortgage awarded the city council are not releasing any sort of planning docs. They are now suggesting a banking federation approach. Are there any other of the 40+ buyers out there having the same conveyancing problems. This is very serious in terms of planning law. The city council are being economic with the truth here. It will become a problem for any of us who may wish to sell in five years or so. I have been advised by other local authority architects that DCC should have a Part 8 Planning Act for this rebuild but none exists. If all buyers put this issue to DCC then they will need to sort it by Ministerial order for retention. Buyer beware. Let's get DCC to resolve it. They must be fair but are not which is very poor.

My understanding is that have been refurbished under the original planning application that was granted.

JMNK · 06-02-2017 11:24pm

No, they lack the Architects compliance planning certification now needed under new regulations, incidentally devised after the first Priory Hall serious deficiencies. The Law Society template for conveyancing requires a full assessment of planning compliance for the cert of title; such is required by the mortgage company to proceed. Nobody has moved into the apts, the place was empty on Sunday with same security. We put down the deposits in October to DCC. Can they not pull their fingers out to get the buyers the correct paperwork. Can DCC not collectively address the 42 new buyers asap?

Gumbo · 07-02-2017 10:46am

JMNK wrote: »

No, they lack the Architects compliance planning certification now needed under new regulations, incidentally devised after the first Priory Hall serious deficiencies. The Law Society template for conveyancing requires a full assessment of planning compliance for the cert of title; such is required by the mortgage company to proceed. Nobody has moved into the apts, the place was empty on Sunday with same security. We put down the deposits in October to DCC. Can they not pull their fingers out to get the buyers the correct paperwork. Can DCC not collectively address the 42 new buyers asap?

The works did not require Planning so something is being lost in translation between you, your solicitor and DCC. What new Planning Regulations are you talking about?

The construction works did not fall under SI9, so Assigned Certifier Role was not required.

scsa · 09-03-2017 11:55am

Anyone else buying one of these and going through snagging right now? How's it going?

I only had a couple of points to get sorted (or so I thought!), but I'm getting a "take it or leave it" attitude back from DCC.

JMNK · 09-03-2017 8:43pm

Yes. Still having problems with DCC. Still the issue is Planning Compliance as per my message of 29.1. Many letters swapped between solicitors since, but DCC are being obstinate. Cannot go yet to Bank until DCC supply the correct legal compliance. The recent refurbished build needed planning permission it seems. Waiting but need to close. It's March yet most of us paid deposit in Oct 2016.

Buyers must unite somehow this week to get DCC the vendor to supply us the full paperwork. Can Hooke and MacDonald not help now?.

JMNK · 09-03-2017 8:44pm

I know two other parties in same problem cannot close sale

monaliza_luz · 18-09-2019 12:59pm

JMNK wrote: »

I know two other parties in same problem cannot close sale

Hi JMNK,
I've just paid the booking fee and now I'm extremely worried about the delay to provide documents and to get mortgage approval. Besides, the lastest article on the Irish Times shows that around 40% of the units will be for social housing.
PS. I'm expecting so over preoccupied with neighbors and delay to move in.
Could you share your experience living at New Priory Hall?

JMNK · 18-09-2019 1:35pm

We have been living in opposite blocks since 2017. All is good. But yes social housing is ordered by city council. Of our 7 blocks, all block 7 is social housing. For new blocks we understand 3 are for social housing as voted in by Co Co in years previous for a30% figure. Hooke Mcdonald should have given those stats on the viewings of weekends previous. That'sthe approach forDublin in 2019 . There is a new active management ctte here with monthly meetings as per MUD Act. At a recent AGM is the management fees per annum which we try to input on. If an active owner network going ford should be fine. And we will welcome you at next AGM in Nov. The paperwork you ask of was very very slow to even stop. Hope it's different this time. It's a great development and so close to Dart and park.

mjshravan · 20-09-2019 2:38pm

Exactly I have also paid the booking deposit but in Dilemma whether to buy or not. Could anyone share their opinions plz. I am worried about 40% social housing.

Shravs123 · 20-09-2019 3:03pm

Anyone buying an apartment in New priory hall? Build quality, Price, Location looks perfect but there was an article which got published about social housing. About 39 houses out of 105 are being offered for social housing ( that is almost 37%). Will there be any problem with these many social housing? In dilemma whether to proceed or not.

Shravs123 · 20-09-2019 3:15pm

Anyone buying an apartment in New priory hall? Build quality, Price, Location looks perfect but there was an article which got published about social housing. About 39 apartments out of 105 are being offered for social housing ( that is almost 37%). Will there be any problem with these many social housing? In dilemma whether to proceed or not.

awec · 20-09-2019 3:27pm

Pretty much all new developments now will have ~30% social housing, so the only way to avoid it is to buy a second hand house in a development full of owner occupiers.

Caranica · 20-09-2019 3:51pm

Do a search on here, came up very recently

Graham · 20-09-2019 4:06pm

Mod Note

Priory Hall threads merged.

Shravs123 · 20-09-2019 4:07pm

Hi Awec, I am thinking the norm for social housing is just 10%?

awec · 20-09-2019 4:49pm

Shravs123 wrote: »

Hi Awec, I am thinking the norm for social housing is just 10%?

Yea you're right, I had a brain fart.

There were calls to increase it to something like 30% but that never happened.

baldbear · 20-09-2019 11:00pm

What's the downside to living beside social housing?

Amirani · 20-09-2019 11:34pm

baldbear wrote: »

What's the downside to living beside social housing?

In my experience, councils can be very slow to pay management fees and are often in arrears. This constrains the ability of the OMC to fund necessary repairs and upkeep.

Gumbo · 20-09-2019 11:36pm

Shravs123 wrote: »

Hi Awec, I am thinking the norm for social housing is just 10%?

That’s the official allocation to the council as part of the Part V agreement. It doesn’t stop other housing bodies buying a couple and doesn’t stop investors buying and then renting to tenants in receipt of social payments.

riemann · 20-09-2019 11:38pm

Amirani wrote: »

In my experience, councils can be very slow to pay management fees and are often in arrears. This constrains the ability of the OMC to fund necessary repairs and upkeep.

Yeah that is the main concern.

Knowing you're paying they market rate, while your next door neighbour has a free gaf isn't annoying at all.

On the plus side they're at home all day so free security.

Flipside of this is they like to stay up late.

Klonker · 21-09-2019 1:19am

Are these clasifed as new builds? Can you get the help to buy?

Shravs123 · 21-09-2019 9:25am

Klonker wrote: »

Are these clasifed as new builds? Can you get the help to buy?

No these are not classified as new builds so no help to buy scheme

dor843088 · 23-09-2019 10:01pm

Recently lived in an apartment with a percentage of social housing tenants. One particular block was all social housing and was pretty much a hell hole. Security had to actually be introduced to keep the place from being wrecked. I'd think twice.

Bluefoam · 25-09-2019 12:42pm

riemann wrote: »

Yeah that is the main concern.

Knowing you're paying they market rate, while your next door neighbour has a free gaf isn't annoying at all.

On the plus side they're at home all day so free security.

Flipside of this is they like to stay up late.

Unless they are the reason you need security

Bluefoam · 25-09-2019 12:54pm

I knew someone who bought one of these originally... build quality was disgraceful...

Anyway, she was wondering why the water in the shower was running blue... plumber couldn't figure it out, he thought it was a chemical reaction to copper pipes, builder was clueless and said it would go away...

When the shower started putting out purple water she realised that she had changes the thing that makes the toilet water coloured & she had been showering in toilet water... Don't know how they managed it, but when she flushed the bog it back washed into the tank.

Theres allot wrong with this development beyond the fire issues. For that reason, I'm out! Would never buy one of those monstrosities, no one should.

Gumbo · 25-09-2019 5:48pm

Bluefoam wrote: »

I knew someone who bought one of these originally... build quality was disgraceful...

Anyway, she was wondering why the water in the shower was running blue... plumber couldn't figure it out, he thought it was a chemical reaction to copper pipes, builder was clueless and said it would go away...

When the shower started putting out purple water she realised that she had changes the thing that makes the toilet water coloured & she had been showering in toilet water... Don't know how they managed it, but when she flushed the bog it back washed into the tank.

Theres allot wrong with this development beyond the fire issues. For that reason, I'm out! Would never buy one of those monstrosities, no one should.

I would live to see this in action.
I’m not sure the laws of construction or fluid physics can allow this to happen at all?

The toilet is flushed from the cistern. The cistern is filled from the storage tank but the filler is not connected to the water in the cistern in any way.

I can’t see how the water from the toilet could have possible ended back up in the storage tank?

The new Priory hall whos are the brave ones ?

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