Media Omerta and Sinn Fein

FrancieBrady · 21-11-2019 9:28pm

blanch152 wrote: »

The responses were the equivalent of children putting their hands over their ears and saying "I don't want to hear and you are being mean".

blanch, the responses are from people who actually watch and read media, and who know there is no 'easy ride' for SF. Numerous citing of examples.

Junkyard Tom · 21-11-2019 9:28pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Not one single poster has addressed in detail any of the issues raised in the article.

I listened to Fealty on BBC Radio 'Ulster' this morning and he seemed to have difficulty articulating his issues he raised with regards to SF himself.

Even Nolan scoffed at the notion the media give SF an easy ride. Another commentator pointed out that DUP appoints leadership roles internally.

What exactly is the issue?

FrancieBrady · 21-11-2019 9:31pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I listened to Fealty on BBC Radio 'Ulster' this morning and he seemed to have difficulty articulating his issues he raised with regards to SF himself.

Even Nolan scoffed at the notion the media give SF an easy ride. Another commentator pointed out that DUP appoints leadership roles internally.

What exactly is the issue?

Same on twitter. I think Fealty exposed his oft exposed bias again. The Slugger does some good work(at exposing frailties in SF) but it can be dodgy at times too.

Stop moaning ffs · 21-11-2019 9:32pm

171170 wrote: »

Mary Lou got a long solo innings on the politics show on RTE 1 last Sunday evening. The poor dear still doesn't know why the SF vote halved last summer!

She was grilled and roasted and dealt with it well.

NI twitter accounts were saying this is how you do journalism and why the DUP don’t get the same tough questioning. Cos they really really don’t.
They’re never challenged at all.

tipptom · 21-11-2019 10:01pm

Clickbait article shared for trolling shocker.

Fr Tod Umptious · 21-11-2019 11:34pm

Whatever about the media scrutiny or not one thing is for sure is that if you look at the way SF manage their internal structure then you see what life would be like under a SF government.

No leadership contests
As leader lasting 3 decades regardless of scandals associated with them.
Allegations of bullying
etc etc

If it was any other party the leader would be out on their ear ages ago.

I keep saying it, the day SF win an election is the last day we will vote.

blanch152 · 21-11-2019 11:40pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I listened to Fealty on BBC Radio 'Ulster' this morning and he seemed to have difficulty articulating his issues he raised with regards to SF himself.

Even Nolan scoffed at the notion the media give SF an easy ride. Another commentator pointed out that DUP appoints leadership roles internally.

What exactly is the issue?

So DUP do the same? More evidence for those two parties being the joint lowest of the low in my opinion. Have to laugh at someone using the DUP’s behaviour to defend SF?

FrancieBrady · 21-11-2019 11:42pm

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Whatever about the media scrutiny or not one thing is for sure is that if you look at the way SF manage their internal structure then you see what life would be like under a SF government.

No leadership contests
As leader lasting 3 decades regardless of scandals associated with them.
Allegations of bullying
etc etc

If it was any other party the leader would be out on their ear ages ago.

I keep saying it, the day SF win an election is the last day we will vote.

Personally I am fecking delighted that both McGuinness and Adams were there to lead SF through the peace process. If that had failed, if they hadn't been able to keep people on side through it all, where would we be?

What does your last sentence mean? You think they will shut down voting and democracy if they get into power?

blanch152 · 21-11-2019 11:43pm

tipptom wrote: »

Clickbait article shared for trolling shocker.

Desperate response from desperate poster, is that all you can come up with?

blanch152 · 21-11-2019 11:44pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Same on twitter. I think Fealty exposed his oft exposed bias again. The Slugger does some good work(at exposing frailties in SF) but it can be dodgy at times too.

Twitter? Full of shills from every party, why would you put any faith in anything you see on Twitter?

FrancieBrady · 21-11-2019 11:47pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Twitter? Full of shills from every party, why would you put any faith in anything you see on Twitter?

Because I can spot a shill a mile off, here and on twitter and in real life.

There are loads of brilliant contributions made to Twitter every hour from genuine journalists and commentators, never mind days.

Stop moaning ffs · 21-11-2019 11:51pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Twitter? Full of shills from every party, why would you put any faith in anything you see on Twitter?

Why should we put any faith in you?
Your entire history here is an inability to understand what’s being said to you, a refusal to consider the other point of view and an inexplicably rabid obsession with attacking SF in every thread theyre mentioned in.

They’re not even that big a feature in Irish life or politics or culture but you’re in every thread every time they get mentioned. And don’t even bring up United Ireland

It makes talking with you difficult and renders most of your posts just a waste of time to read.

Stop moaning ffs · 21-11-2019 11:53pm

** although I have a feeling that’s the entire point.

Fr Tod Umptious · 21-11-2019 11:54pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Personally I am fecking delighted that both McGuinness and Adams were there to lead SF through the peace process. If that had failed, if they hadn't been able to keep people on side through it all, where would we be?

What does your last sentence mean? You think they will shut down voting and democracy if they get into power?

Exactly
Look at the way the people take leadership roles in their own party.
There was no contest to replace either McGuinness or Adams, both ladies were elected unopposed

Read the article on OP
The deputy leadership (O'Neill's position) "election" was held completely in private.

Do you recall the FG leadership contest between Covney and Varadkar ?
Compare that to the SF leadership changes.
Compare the 2010 FG heaves against Kenny to SF.
Compare the FG heaves of decades ago compared to SF.

Why would they do anything different if they had real power?
If they don't see the value in openness in their own party how on Earth would they see value in it if they controlled the national stage.

Stop moaning ffs · 21-11-2019 11:58pm

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

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Exactly
Look at the way the people take leadership roles in their own party.
There was no contest to replace either McGuinness or Adams, both ladies were elected unopposed

Read the article on OP
The deputy leadership (O'Neill's position) "election" was held completely in private.

Do you recall the FG leadership contest between Covney and Varadkar ?
Compare that to the SF leadership changes.
Compare the 2010 FG heaves against Kenny to SF.
Compare the FG heaves of decades ago compared to SF.

Why would they do anything different if they had real power?
If they don't see the value in openness in their own party how on Earth would they see value in it if they controlled the national stage.

You clearly haven’t a notion.

Coveney was the pick for grassroots FG members.

But somehow SF are going to be some SS ****ting down all votes and thought?

Please grow up.

Junkyard Tom · 22-11-2019 12:00am

blanch152 wrote: »

So DUP do the same? More evidence for those two parties being the joint lowest of the low in my opinion. Have to laugh at someone using the DUP’s behaviour to defend SF?

Is it supposed to be a completely transparent, books open, recorded for public consumption, process? If it is then fair enough, they both need to change. I don't know how internal political parties operate.

FrancieBrady · 22-11-2019 12:04am

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

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Exactly
Look at the way the people take leadership roles in their own party.
There was no contest to replace either McGuinness or Adams, both ladies were elected unopposed

Read the article on OP
The deputy leadership (O'Neill's position) "election" was held completely in private.

Do you recall the FG leadership contest between Covney and Varadkar ?
Compare that to the SF leadership changes.
Compare the 2010 FG heaves against Kenny to SF.
Compare the FG heaves of decades ago compared to SF.

Why would they do anything different if they had real power?
If they don't see the value in openness in their own party how on Earth would they see value in it if they controlled the national stage.

So you are saying they would remove the vote from the people and subvert democracy?

*BTW a SF member here explained the leadership election process here at lengthy and while it is different to other parties there is nothing to suggest it is anti-democratic.
Mary Lou explained that the deputy leader was an internal process..like every other party has. See Maria Bailey for instance.

Stop moaning ffs · 22-11-2019 12:05am

Can we see the secrets ballot FG took on Maria Bailey that brought about her dismissal? At top and local levels?

No? Why?

It’s a far far bigger deal that’s actually affects us all than SF having a leadership dust up.

Fr Tod Umptious · 22-11-2019 12:05am

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

You clearly haven’t a notion.

Coveney was the pick for grassroots FG members.

But somehow SF are going to be some SS ****ting down all votes and thought?

Please grow up.

I'm sorry can you elaborate on that point please.

Do you recall the leadership elections that have taken place innFF, FG Labour over the past few decades ?

All have had multiple candidates, we have seen public debate between them, it's been very much an open process.

And take for example the challenges to leadership in other parties.
Haughey was regularly challenged.
Kenny was in 2010
Others resigned after bad elections, government collapses etc

None of that happened or happens in SF.
Adams lasted over 30 years through all sorts of scandals without even the hint of a challenge to him.

blanch152 · 22-11-2019 12:12am

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Is it supposed to be a completely transparent, books open, recorded for public consumption, process? If it is then fair enough, they both need to change. I don't know how internal political parties operate.

Both are products of the North, and completely different to the openness in the South. I posted earlier on the FG leadership election, and how open that was.

LoughNeagh2017 · 22-11-2019 12:14am

Hatred towards Sinn Fein is just an excuse to hate on northern Gaels (I don't mean GAA member, the GAA have hijacked that term), I mean people of Gaelic-Irish ancestry. The IRA and northern Gaels come hand in hand to a variable extent, even if you weren't in IRA you would have attended IRA member funerals like my father did. Supporting a northern nationalist party is like supporting the IRA in southeners eyes, I love it though, I thrive upon negative energy and being hated.

FrancieBrady · 22-11-2019 12:21am

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I'm sorry can you elaborate on that point please.

Do you recall the leadership elections that have taken place innFF, FG Labour over the past few decades ?

All have had multiple candidates, we have seen public debate between them, it's been very much an open process.

And take for example the challenges to leadership in other parties.
Haughey was regularly challenged.
Kenny was in 2010
Others resigned after bad elections, government collapses etc

None of that happened or happens in SF.
Adams lasted over 30 years through all sorts of scandals without even the hint of a challenge to him.

Have to ask here, so what?
So what if he lasted 30 years? It was a party in the middle of a conflict/war, hadn't you noticed that? The continuity of leadership was a massive plus for this country. If SF had fractured during the process we'd be in a really bad place. How long did DeValera sit at the top? Through similar times as well.

Stop moaning ffs · 22-11-2019 12:22am

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

I'm sorry can you elaborate on that point please.

Do you recall the leadership elections that have taken place innFF, FG Labour over the past few decades ?

All have had multiple candidates, we have seen public debate between them, it's been very much an open process.

And take for example the challenges to leadership in other parties.
Haughey was regularly challenged.
Kenny was in 2010
Others resigned after bad elections, government collapses etc

None of that happened or happens in SF.
Adams lasted over 30 years through all sorts of scandals without even the hint of a challenge to him.

Referring to my reply. You haven’t a clue. Fg grass roots wanted coveney as leader. Not Varadkar.

The rest of your post is just waffle and hot air. And completely irrelevant to this topic.

Fr Tod Umptious · 22-11-2019 12:41am

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Referring to my reply. You haven’t a clue. Fg grass roots wanted coveney as leader. Not Varadkar.

The rest of your post is just waffle and hot air. And completely irrelevant to this topic.

Have a look at the Wikipedia page for the 2017 FG leadership election.

Its broken-down exactly how the leader was elected.

And you are correct, Covney got twice as many votes from the membership tha Varadkar.

But who got what votes from where is not the point.

The point is that there is a certain level of transparency there.

There is no such transparency in SF.
Heck there isn't even a contest.

Stop moaning ffs · 22-11-2019 12:46am

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Have a look at the Wikipedia page for the 2017 FG leadership election.

Its broken-down exactly how the leader was elected.

And you are correct, Covney got twice as many votes from the membership tha Varadkar.

But who got what votes from where is not the point.

The point is that there is a certain level of transparency there.

There is no such transparency in SF.
Heck there isn't even a contest.

Tell us how many votes Varadkar won by. Despite Simon being the leader the party elected.

What’s the word?

Democracy?

Fr Tod Umptious · 22-11-2019 12:58am

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Tell us how many votes Varadkar won by. Despite Simon being the leader the party elected.

What’s the word?

Democracy?

Are you deliberately missing the point or just not able to understand it ?

But I'll explain it just one more time.

FG have a process for electing a leader.
That process is well defined and transparent.
The candidates and the voters know that process.
We on the outside know that process.
And Varadkar was elected using that process.

With SF all there is is the elevation of a individual to the leadership no election.
And when there is a challenge, as was the case recently and as alluded to in the article, the outcome is just given, nothing more.

The way you harp on about Covney and the grassroots is a bit like the way people harp on about Clinton winning the popular vote in 2016 or NI as a whole voting Remain in 2016.
None of it matters because that's not how the process works.

FrancieBrady · 22-11-2019 1:03am

Fr Tod Umptious wrote: »

Are you deliberately missing the point or just not able to understand it ?

But I'll explain it just one more time.

FG have a process for electing a leader.
That process is well defined and transparent.
The candidates and the voters know that process.
We on the outside know that process.
And Varadkar was elected using that process.

With SF all there is is the elevation of a individual to the leadership no election.
And when there is a challenge, as was the case recently and as alluded to in the article, the outcome is just given, nothing more.

The way you harp on about Covney and the grassroots is a bit like the way people harp on about Clinton winning the popular vote in 2016 or NI as a whole voting Remain in 2016.
None of it matters because that's not how the process works.

Do you know the process of electing the SF leader?

As I said it was explained here by a SF member and IT IS A PROCESS. Different to how other party's do it, but a perfectly democratic one imo.

Can't be bothered going looking for it, but then neither can you by the looks of it,

JohnnyFlash · 22-11-2019 1:06am

Poor old SF are suffering from a real identity crisis these days.

They made a concerted effort to move away from the whiff of sulphur that surrounded the party. The old 'we haven't gone away you know' appealed to a solid 17-21% of the populace.

They've now positioned themselves in between the Labour Party and the alphabet crew. That's poor land for gaining votes. ML was on the TV last Saturday going on about houses for all, a living wage, and an increase in social welfare rates. Gavin and Emma Taxpayer know that's complete horseshít - pie in the sky stuff.

They've also alienated a substantial portion of that 17-21% of the populace who would be sympathetic to the cause by espousing policies that just don't resonate with their core voting pool - immigration being the most obvious one. Nationalists are nationalist by nature. SF cannot continue to ignore this reality - their low income core support just don't like immigration.

They've also played weak cards on Brexit - the direct rule from London suits both themselves and the DUP at the moment. Real hurlers on the ditch. ML had a potshot at FG and FF during her speech - saying come up here and represent yourselves during the elections. Facile sort of argument. Represent the nationalist community is the one second obvious answer.

SF are polling at about 8-9% in opinion polls being taken in marginal constituencies around the country at the moment. Going to be a terrible general election for them. Cork, Louth, Dublin are all looking nasty for them.

What do they stand for is the question people are asking. FG have done more for Irish unity during the Brexit negotiations than 15 SF working groups could ever possibly imagine.

That's tough for the hardcore Shinner.

sabat · 22-11-2019 1:18am

I was making the same point here around the time of MLMcD's anointment but the mainstream media were still holding her up as a golden girl so didn't query it, whilst the SF fanboys here just employed their usual deflection tactics. The fact is that they were "elected" by a group of men called "P O'Neill" who should probably be in prison, sitting around a table in a Belfast backroom.

FrancieBrady · 22-11-2019 1:24am

sabat wrote: »

I was making the same point here around the time of MLMcD's anointment but the mainstream media were still holding her up as a golden girl so didn't query it, whilst the SF fanboys here just employed their usual deflection tactics. The fact is that they were "elected" by a group of men called "P O'Neill" who should probably be in prison, sitting around a table in a Belfast backroom.

You forgot...'they were drinking whiskey and playing cards'. John Ford does Irish politics.

sabat · 22-11-2019 1:33am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You forgot...'they were drinking whiskey and playing cards'. John Ford does Irish politics.

Seeing as you're here responding on SF/IRA's behalf, would you happen to know what happened to all of their "legitimate businesses" following the ceasefire? You know, the ones built up or "acquired" through violence, racketeering, intimidation, money laundering etc? I don't recall any of those being surrendered voluntarily at the time.

Stop moaning ffs · 22-11-2019 1:39am

sabat wrote: »

Seeing as you're here responding on SF/IRA's behalf, would you happen to know what happened to all of their "legitimate businesses" following the ceasefire? You know, the ones built up or "acquired" through violence, racketeering, intimidation, money laundering etc? I don't recall any of those being surrendered voluntarily at the time.

Wow. Just wow.

sabat · 22-11-2019 1:47am

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Wow. Just wow.

Fantastic response. I personally know of two IRA owned businesses in Dublin that were running long before the ceasefire and continue to operate today. Do you think I'm holding my potential heads of government to too high a standard to question their connections to what is- without the veneer of "freedom fighters"- a mafia?

Stop moaning ffs · 22-11-2019 1:52am

sabat wrote: »

Fantastic response. I personally know of two IRA owned businesses in Dublin that were running long before the ceasefire and continue to operate today. Do you think I'm holding my potential heads of government to too high a standard to question their connections to what is- without the veneer of "freedom fighters"- a mafia?

For clarification for the mods I think and just to know you know, you’re talking absolute bollox.
You can’t verify that here, which is in the charter, you also are making other baseless claims which are irrelevant? Good luck tho

Hardman ‘ I know the RA’ is always a bit sad.

sabat · 22-11-2019 2:20am

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

For clarification for the mods I think and just to know you know, you’re talking absolute bollox.
You can’t verify that here, which is in the charter, you also are making other baseless claims which are irrelevant? Good luck tho

Hardman ‘ I know the RA’ is always a bit sad.

I was obviously doing the complete opposite of the "I know the RA" bit. It is a fact that the same people who decided that Mary Lou McDonald would be leader of SF are the same people who are ultimately in charge of this business empire.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ira-owns-up-to-20-pubs-in-the-republic-1.55148?mode=amp

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/ira-secret-agents-in-civil-service-keep-republicans-in-business-31580211.html

FrancieBrady · 22-11-2019 9:35am

sabat wrote: »

Fantastic response. I personally know of two IRA owned businesses in Dublin that were running long before the ceasefire and continue to operate today. Do you think I'm holding my potential heads of government to too high a standard to question their connections to what is- without the veneer of "freedom fighters"- a mafia?

If you are not going to present your evidence of this who is? If it is even illegal/a mafia.

I know FG and FF owned businesses and even a soldier in the army who has a florist business.

That is what CAB are for you know?

FrancieBrady · 22-11-2019 9:53am

sabat wrote: »

I was obviously doing the complete opposite of the "I know the RA" bit. It is a fact that the same people who decided that Mary Lou McDonald would be leader of SF are the same people who are ultimately in charge of this business empire.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/ira-owns-up-to-20-pubs-in-the-republic-1.55148?mode=amp

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/ira-secret-agents-in-civil-service-keep-republicans-in-business-31580211.html

So this is all based on a 'pending' article from the Irish Times and classic 'sources say' filler article from the Indo.

If the 'IRA' are operating businesses and channeling money back to an organisation engaging in illegal operations, then I want to know about it and I think others do too.

That Indo article dates to 2015, has anybody been arrested and gone to jail for these crime? I mean if you can spot 2 IRA businesses operating, why can't the Gardai and CAB?

BQQ · 22-11-2019 10:00am

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

Poor old SF are suffering from a real identity crisis these days.

They made a concerted effort to move away from the whiff of sulphur that surrounded the party. The old 'we haven't gone away you know' appealed to a solid 17-21% of the populace.

They've now positioned themselves in between the Labour Party and the alphabet crew. That's poor land for gaining votes. ML was on the TV last Saturday going on about houses for all, a living wage, and an increase in social welfare rates. Gavin and Emma Taxpayer know that's complete horseshít - pie in the sky stuff.

They've also alienated a substantial portion of that 17-21% of the populace who would be sympathetic to the cause by espousing policies that just don't resonate with their core voting pool - immigration being the most obvious one. Nationalists are nationalist by nature. SF cannot continue to ignore this reality - their low income core support just don't like immigration.

They've also played weak cards on Brexit - the direct rule from London suits both themselves and the DUP at the moment. Real hurlers on the ditch. ML had a potshot at FG and FF during her speech - saying come up here and represent yourselves during the elections. Facile sort of argument. Represent the nationalist community is the one second obvious answer.

SF are polling at about 8-9% in opinion polls being taken in marginal constituencies around the country at the moment. Going to be a terrible general election for them. Cork, Louth, Dublin are all looking nasty for them.

What do they stand for is the question people are asking. FG have done more for Irish unity during the Brexit negotiations than 15 SF working groups could ever possibly imagine.

That's tough for the hardcore Shinner.

I think you’ll find that FG are the anti-immigrant party

The bare-facedness of this with Verona Murphy all over the news is unreal

I almost have to admire the sturdiness of your neck

steddyeddy · 22-11-2019 11:45am

No research went into that article whatsoever. You'd have to be an idiot to find some common ground with it.

Odhinn · 22-11-2019 1:07pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Not one single poster has addressed in detail any of the issues raised in the article.

That'd be because its blatantly untrue. If you want to talk about things the media don't chase, you might get back to me on my earlier post in the thread.

blanch152 · 22-11-2019 1:22pm

Odhinn wrote: »

That'd be because its blatantly untrue. If you want to talk about things the media don't chase, you might get back to me on my earlier post in the thread.

We could have a separate thread on historical issues the media doesn’t chase, and that would be a long list that you wouldn’t necessarily be happy with, but the issues in the article in the OP are contemporary not historical, so I will leave those historical issues for such a thread.

FrancieBrady · 22-11-2019 1:35pm

blanch152 wrote: »

We could have a separate thread on historical issues the media doesn’t chase, and that would be a long list that you wouldn’t necessarily be happy with, but the issues in the article in the OP are contemporary not historical, so I will leave those historical issues for such a thread.

The minute the author calls the DUP, 'pantomime villains' any reader with a smidgen of interpretive skills of their own would know what the agenda is.

Because they aren't 'pantomime' anything, they are a very real threat to the stability of Ireland because of their Brexit stance.

SF are as liable for criticism and scrutiny as any other party, but the 'fact' is they get far more of it than most, if not all parties.

JohnnyFlash · 22-11-2019 1:41pm

SF aren’t like other parties, they don’t operate like other parties, and their supporters don’t think like supporters of other parties.

The old ‘Southern Project’ has really ground to a halt for them though. I’d say there’s a lot of soul searching going on. They might start to realise that shouting isn’t leadership.

tipptom · 22-11-2019 2:46pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Desperate response from desperate poster, is that all you can come up with?

Clikbait post from Slugger o Toole the best you can some up with?
He knew the grade of intelligence he was targeting to post it around for him.

Even the most anti SF people I know will tell you that the Irish media are biased against SF as a party especially running up to elections to try to stymie SF in democratic elections, but they will openly admit they have no problem with that as they say SF should be stopped by any means possible.

SF thought they had agreement signed and in place with the DUP to have the assembly up and running months agp but this was vetoed when the DUP had a meeting with their loyalist cells and the agreement was torn up.

The same Loyalists who were aided by the British state to murder Pat Finucane and who now are hanging banners around North Belfast denigrating the Finnucans and glorifying in the murder.

I for one thought SF were wrong to agree go back in to the assembly with a party who are corrupt,sectarian,homophobic,racist and will not pass any agreements that they have signed up to in the GFA if it involves equality for Nationalists and who need to get permission before they do anything from the OO and loyalist terror groups.

As for SF electing leaders,why would they give a hostile press any internal numbers and what business is it of theirs or yours so save your pathetic outrage for Slugger o Toole for making you look even more foolish.

blanch152 · 22-11-2019 3:04pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The minute the author calls the DUP, 'pantomime villains' any reader with a smidgen of interpretive skills of their own would know what the agenda is.

Because they aren't 'pantomime' anything, they are a very real threat to the stability of Ireland because of their Brexit stance.

SF are as liable for criticism and scrutiny as any other party, but the 'fact' is they get far more of it than most, if not all parties.

I don’t have any time for the DUP, so countering with themmums are worse doesn’t hold any water. Look to your own Francie.

FrancieBrady · 22-11-2019 3:08pm

blanch152 wrote: »

I don’t have any time for the DUP, so countering with themmums are worse doesn’t hold any water. Look to your own Francie.

You fell for a stunt to take the spotlight off the DUP blanch. Willingly or knowingly.

James Brown · 22-11-2019 3:30pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Address the issues in the link, don't just default to personal insults.

The article lists some of the many things wrong with Sinn Fein, and comments on the failure of the media to adequately report them. Address the issues.

It is easy to see how the wagons are circling, how the non-SF voting posters are out defending SF, how the defensive attitude kicks in, how the personal insults kick in, yet not one of the points in the article are rebutted.

I've responded to the op quite clearly. It makes little sense and I gave it a possibility of being true in the lead up to the GFA.
Where do you get all your SF material about inter party bullying and the like? You got an informer or did you see it in the media?
It's a biased fanciful incorrect opinion piece, IMO.

blanch152 wrote: »

Not one single poster has addressed in detail any of the issues raised in the article.

You keep repeating that. Many of us have and you choose to ignore it or belittle it because it's not what you want to hear.

James Brown · 22-11-2019 3:38pm

JohnnyFlash wrote: »

SF aren’t like other parties, they don’t operate like other parties, and their supporters don’t think like supporters of other parties.

The old ‘Southern Project’ has really ground to a halt for them though. I’d say there’s a lot of soul searching going on. They might start to realise that shouting isn’t leadership.

You assume. I know SF voters, Labour voters, Indie voters, academics and working class. Completely different demographics. Granted no savvy working class person would touch FG, but there are a lot of wannabe working class sell outs around. The type grew up in social housing, bought it and now look down on those in need of it.

They didn't create the partition, SF are an all Ireland project, do you know nothing about them? :rolleyes:

maccored · 22-11-2019 6:09pm

Stop moaning ffs wrote: »

Blanch the entire premise of the piece is not just flawed it completely untrue.

it said bad things about sf - thats enough for blanch152 to post it.

maccored · 22-11-2019 6:12pm

sabat wrote: »

Fantastic response. I personally know of two IRA owned businesses in Dublin that were running long before the ceasefire and continue to operate today. Do you think I'm holding my potential heads of government to too high a standard to question their connections to what is- without the veneer of "freedom fighters"- a mafia?

about time you reported them. unless its makeyuppy story time on boards (again)

Media Omerta and Sinn Fein

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