13 year-old girl critical after Lisnaskea machete attack

The Satanist · 18-11-2019 2:17pm

Nope. Clare Byrne or the correspondent didn't mention the T word.

Deebles McBeebles · 18-11-2019 3:16pm

Found one article that mentioned it was traveller related, below. None of the others mention it at all, its reported as a random machete attack, essentially.

https://extra.ie/2019/11/18/news/irish-news/girl-machete-attack-fermanagh

normanoffside · 18-11-2019 3:21pm

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

Found one article that mentioned it was traveller related, below. None of the others mention it at all, its reported as a random machete attack, essentially.

https://extra.ie/2019/11/18/news/irish-news/girl-machete-attack-fermanagh

A few articles mention the home as being that of a bare knuckle boxer to be fair.
That’s code word for traveller.

jmayo · 18-11-2019 5:18pm

Deebles McBeebles wrote: »

You won't hear a f*cking peep out of Pavee Point for the next week. They'll pop up next time a gang of them get thrown out of a pub.

Just like this thread is devoid of the usual suspects that have travellers, amongst other freeloading dodgy types, as one of their pet groups.

Make one derogatory comment, well actually just usually state facts, and watch how many crawl all over the threads.
Yet not a peep out of them about this sick behaviour.

bubblypop wrote: »

ChikiChiki wrote: »

I know that happened NI but your right. Travellers have been getting away with mayhem here for years.

Our it must be said awful incompetent police force don't bother with them.

From Sulky racing, to bare knuckle street fighting to rural robberies, they are lawless and feel invincible.

And yet we hear that travellers have a disproportionate amount of their population in prison.
So, seems like they do actually get arrested & convicted?

Is that all you can add to this topic.

I suppose we should give you some kudos for being the only one to actually comment on this thread, even if it was to resort to the usual playbook of just nitpicking. :rolleyes:

James Brown · 18-11-2019 8:45pm

jmayo wrote: »

Just like this thread is devoid of the usual suspects that have travellers, amongst other freeloading dodgy types, as one of their pet groups.

Make one derogatory comment, well actually just usually state facts, and watch how many crawl all over the threads.
Yet not a peep out of them about this sick behaviour.

Is that all you can add to this topic.

I suppose we should give you some kudos for being the only one to actually comment on this thread, even if it was to resort to the usual playbook of just nitpicking. :rolleyes:

What do you want, people to defend them?
The 'logic' that these scumbags being Travelers means all Travelers are scumbags is still wrong as it is with any group IMO.

TeaBagMania · 18-11-2019 8:48pm

this news made it state side today... https://www.yahoo.com/news/lisnaskea-machete-attack-northern-ireland-153232782.html

myshirt · 18-11-2019 8:58pm

This family are one of the most violent Traveller families you will come across. Notorious for violence. I worked with a lot of traveller kids in Limerick, and knew a few of these lads from Ennis when they were younger. Even the hardened travellers not involved in any feud didn't like them. No decent honest men amongst them. Very quick to the Stanley blade and the machete.

Absolutely f*cking disgusting this was, but the whole lot of them are extremely violent. There seems to be zero interest in any of this until such point that it will spill over to the child of a settled person who 'matters'.

These fellas are utter scum. Behind all these violent men there are honest decent travellers intimidated and living in fear. Little to no education or skillset to deal with the hand life dealt them. They are the victims here too. You only ever hear of the traveller causing hassle, you never hear of the others.

Danzy · 18-11-2019 9:03pm

myshirt wrote: »

This family are one of the most violent Traveller families you will come across. Notorious for violence. I worked with a lot of traveller kids in Limerick, and knew a few of these lads from Ennis when they were younger. Even the hardened travellers not involved in any feud didn't like them. No decent honest men amongst them. Very quick to the Stanley blade and the machete.

Absolutely f*cking disgusting this was, but the whole lot of them are extremely violent. There seems to be zero interest in any of this until such point that it will spill over to the child of a settled person who 'matters'.

These fellas are utter scum. Behind all these violent men there are honest decent travellers intimidated and living in fear. Little to no education or skillset to deal with the hand life dealt them. They are the victims here too. You only ever hear of the traveller causing hassle, you never hear of the others.

Going by the videos that the father of this girl has up, a life if torment abuse and torture were his upbringing.

They are their own victims as well.

corks finest · 18-11-2019 9:29pm

Dubrangan wrote:

A 13 year-old girl I in a critical condition and a 41 year-old woman is also injured after a gang of men forced their way into a house in Lisnaskea in Co. Fermanagh last night and stabbed them with machetes.

Saw the 2 video clips,this will generate more hurt n harm in the traveller world,mind boggles how they keep at it,feud feud feuding,when young this never went on in that community,they are a disgrace,and that little girl will grow up with hatred in her head,and do it goes on,know it sounds bad ,but I've given up on the whole lot of them- and as for fuc**ng paveee point they're worse than a dose of the pox

corks finest · 18-11-2019 9:30pm

lawred2 wrote:

Someone went about recording this? And then published it?

2 videos actually

dartboardio · 18-11-2019 9:34pm

corks finest wrote: »

2 videos actually

Three..

18-11-2019 10:45pm

the dark phantom wrote: »

It's uplifting to know that, thanks to the efforts of a Senator with the IQ of a yogurt tub, my kids will soon be learning all about Traveller Culture as part of the revised Irish History syllabus.

dartboardio · 18-11-2019 10:52pm

Ridiculous how that 13 year old will be able to stay in the 'parents' care, despite them recording her and shouting on facebook live, for ages waiting on the ambulance, rather than comforting her.

Fiery mutant · 18-11-2019 10:54pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

What do you want, people to defend them?
The 'logic' that these scumbags being Travelers means all Travelers are scumbags is still wrong as it is with any group IMO.

Actually no. The ‘logic’ part is where we can all tell what members of society committed this horrible act without being told. This kind of scumbaggery is so common within the traveller community, it hardly raises an eyelid now, to the point where dopes like [redacted] actually come on and defend this ****show.

How any civilised member of society can defend these clowns is beyond me.

One More Toy · 18-11-2019 10:55pm

Is it big Joe Joyce's daughter is the mother?

18-11-2019 10:58pm

Fiery mutant wrote: »

Actually no. The ‘logic’ part is where we can all tell what members of society committed this horrible act without being told. This kind of scumbaggery is so common within the traveller community, it hardly raises an eyelid now, to the point where dopes like [redacted] actually come on and defend this ****show.

How any civilised member of society can defend these clowns is beyond me.

That's racist! Just because Matt can read and write and use a computer is no reason to accuse him of being civilised.

GreeBo · 18-11-2019 10:58pm

normanoffside wrote: »

The Feud is all over this

https://www.thesun.ie/news/4131938/gramsey-joyce-fight-uncle-slapping-video/

The ****in size of that telly

Dante7 · 18-11-2019 11:07pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

What do you want, people to defend them?
The 'logic' that these scumbags being Travelers means all Travelers are scumbags is still wrong as it is with any group IMO.

At what percentage of criminality would you accept that there is an issue with Traveller culture? 10%, 20% doesn't seem to be an issue. If it hit 50%, would that ring alarm bells? Or is there any number?

Everything about this case highlights a problem with Traveller culture. From the young teenage girls being encouraged to inflict violence against a special needs woman, to a young girl getting machetes while her family seem more concerned about making YouTube videos with the aim of furthering a feud.

Their culture is disgusting and has no place in modern society. They will not change while we placate them and give credence to idea that problem is that we call them knackers.

Lackey · 18-11-2019 11:28pm

normanoffside wrote: »

Hopefully a good old fashioned bare knuckle fight can sort this all out.

When the assault of the woman by the children was put up on youtube
it was offered to be settled by the mans relation by their two sons in a bare knuckle match in N.I., in a retaliation youtube video.
guessing he went for the auld machete attack instead.

fawlty682 · 19-11-2019 12:09am

It’s our culture Boss.

Larbre34 · 19-11-2019 12:18am

Where do you even start with these? Where do you even ****ing start?

ChikiChiki · 19-11-2019 12:27am

One More Toy wrote: »

Is it big Joe Joyce's daughter is the mother?

And in all likelihood an aunt and a cousin too.

Cantona's Collars · 19-11-2019 2:09am

Cantona's Collars wrote: »

I wonder if Matt Cooper will have the traveller comedian fella back on this evening to talk about this after he was on discussing those tweets the other day?
How come when one of the traveller representatives goes on TV or radio it's always the same line of "sure it's only a minority" yet one look on YouTube gives you reams of videos of threats and violence.

Well the only mention of the incident was what was said in the 6 o clock bulletin on the show.
A whole debate about education on traveller culture etc last Thursday or Friday after a few misjudged tweets a decade ago yet silence after a girl was hit with a machete.

ampleforth · 19-11-2019 2:54am

GreeBo wrote: »

The ****in size of that telly

Sometimes its not size of the telly that makes the difference

Sometimes its the content...

ampleforth · 19-11-2019 2:59am

canonball5 wrote: »

Us settled, law abiding, tax paying folk ought to be ashamed of ourselves. This poor disadvantaged minority are merely practicing their cultural norms.

'monkey see, monkey do' could be called a 'culture' ... but that is like calling a big mac a 'lifestyle diet'

Kermit.de.frog · 19-11-2019 3:19am

Let's be honest - who originally looked at the title of this thread - and without even reading the first post didn't think it was "those who travel"?

I'd say 99.99% didn't even need to read the OP.

Everyone knows.

Working class heroes · 19-11-2019 9:04am

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Let's be honest - who originally looked at the title of this thread - and without even reading the first post didn't think it was "those who travel"?

I'd say 99.99% didn't even need to read the OP.

Everyone knows.

That post is about as accurate as your weather forecasts.

Beasty · 19-11-2019 1:26pm

Apologies, but I was attending to one of our regular re-regs and did not realise they has started this thread, which became collateral damage. I've just re-instated the opening post which brings the thread back to life (not the OP though, who remains permabanned until their next incarnation)

pc7 · 19-11-2019 2:10pm

The whole incident is horrendous, I can't even get my head around people attacking children with machetes. I also have to say if someone in my circle sent me a WhatsApp video of these attacks they'd be removed, wtaf. Poor girl, really hope she recovers, but where too after this for her that is safe?

blanch152 · 19-11-2019 2:14pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

What do you want, people to defend them?
The 'logic' that these scumbags being Travelers means all Travelers are scumbags is still wrong as it is with any group IMO.

Nobody is saying that all Travellers are scumbags.

Rather, people are pointing to significant issues with Traveller culture. These include, but are not limited to, tolerance of spousal abuse, removal of females from formal education, consanguineous marriage, dispute resolution through violence etc. All of these are much more prevalent and tolerated in Traveller culture than in settled culture. That is wrong.

I have previously asked on other threads about positive aspects of Traveller culture. The only persistent response relates to promoting family way of life, but when that includes beating your wife and marrying your uneducated daughter off at 16, I don't see the positive aspects of Traveller family culture.

Lewis_Benson · 19-11-2019 2:15pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

Let's be honest - who originally looked at the title of this thread - and without even reading the first post didn't think it was "those who travel"?

I'd say 99.99% didn't even need to read the OP.

Everyone knows.

Unfortunately, all I had to see was machete and lisnaskea.
What a way to live.

sasta le · 19-11-2019 2:15pm

Any comment from the Traveller activists?

c.p.w.g.w · 19-11-2019 2:20pm

sasta le wrote: »

Any comment from the Traveller activists?

Still looking for an apology for 10 year old tweets

sbsquarepants · 19-11-2019 2:21pm

blanch152 wrote: »

I have previously asked on other threads about positive aspects of Traveller culture. The only persistent response relates to promoting family way of life, but when that includes beating your wife and marrying your uneducated daughter off at 16, I don't see the positive aspects of Traveller family culture.

There are none in my opinion.

It's a "culture" that should be left to die, and would die if the state didn't keep pissing taxpayers money away on it's life support.

Anyone who wants to call that racist really needs to have a list of the positives to hand before i'll entertain them.

The world moves on and everybody needs to move with it, who gives a rats arse what your grandparents did from day to day, they lived in a different world. You have to change with the times. Nobody wants a fúcking pot mended, deal with it!

drunkmonkey · 19-11-2019 2:26pm

dartboardio wrote: »

Three..

and a Christmas card.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 19-11-2019 2:39pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

The 'logic' that these scumbags being Travelers means all Travelers are scumbags is still wrong as it is with any group IMO.

Matt, I don't care how left-liberal your politics are — you can't ignore the fact that these attacks are connected to a disturbingly violent culture of family feuding associated specifically with Travellers.

No other group in Irish society is attacking children with machetes. It's not a scumbag issue — it's a Traveller issue.

Things have gone far past the point where anyone can justify making excuses for this barbarism. This violent feuding, and Traveller criminality more generally, needs to be tackled urgently. It is getting worse and worse, and destroying lives, while politicians faff about and do nothing for fear of seeming racist.

19-11-2019 2:51pm

I suppose one good thing is that this happened in another country so the Guards can't be blamed. But if Mary Lou gets her way, then some day soon, Lisnaskea - and all of its colourful residents - will be as Irish as the tricolour tattoo on James McClean's leg.

sasta le · 19-11-2019 2:58pm

Is Pavee Point an All Ireland body or just the Republic?

TeaBagMania · 19-11-2019 3:06pm

Walker Black Sesame wrote: »

I don't care how left-liberal your politics are — you can't ignore the fact

if they didn't ignore facts they wouldn't be libtards

Briando · 19-11-2019 4:40pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

What do you want, people to defend them?
The 'logic' that these scumbags being Travelers means all Travelers are scumbags is still wrong as it is with any group IMO.

Not all Travellers are scumbags, but a disproportionally large share of them are.
I wouldn't like to live beside a traveller family going from past experiences. If that makes me a racist, then I guess I am.

James Brown · 19-11-2019 4:49pm

Fiery mutant wrote: »

Actually no. The ‘logic’ part is where we can all tell what members of society committed this horrible act without being told. This kind of scumbaggery is so common within the traveller community, it hardly raises an eyelid now, to the point where dopes like [redacted] actually come on and defend this ****show.

How any civilised member of society can defend these clowns is beyond me.

My opinion is my own. I'll not tar a complete group over the actions of some.

On your comment. It's disgraceful and should be tackled.
Nobody is defending these people, we are often told they are or would do, but I've not ever seen it.

Briando wrote: »

Not all Travellers are scumbags, but a disproportionally large share of them are.
I wouldn't like to live beside a traveller family going from past experiences. If that makes me a racist, then I guess I am.

Neither would I, although I have done. Doesn't mean I assume everyone of them are scumbags. I don't think their lifestyle is compatible and rather than making concessions to the 'culture' they should be treated like everyone else.

Bishop of hope · 19-11-2019 4:50pm

171170 wrote: »

I suppose one good thing is that this happened in another country so the Guards can't be blamed. But if Mary Lou gets her way, then some day soon, Lisnaskea - and all of its colourful residents - will be as Irish as the tricolour tattoo on James McClean's leg.

Lisnaskea today, Cavan, Longford, Mullingar, Athlone etc tomorrow.
Depends on the next council with a house ready after they wreck the one they're in now.
Feel for the victims though, this must be a terrifying experience for any family, especially women and children and really impressed by the bravery of this young girl if the story about her is accurate, I'd like her in my corner in troubled times.

BattleCorp · 19-11-2019 4:53pm

Briando wrote: »

Not all Travellers are scumbags, but a disproportionally large share of them are.
I wouldn't like to live beside a traveller family going from past experiences. If that makes me a racist, then I guess I am.

That view makes you a normal sensible member of society. Who in their right mind would like to live beside them..........apart from 5 presidential candidates that is.

James Brown · 19-11-2019 4:58pm

Dante7 wrote: »

At what percentage of criminality would you accept that there is an issue with Traveller culture? 10%, 20% doesn't seem to be an issue. If it hit 50%, would that ring alarm bells? Or is there any number?

Everything about this case highlights a problem with Traveller culture. From the young teenage girls being encouraged to inflict violence against a special needs woman, to a young girl getting machetes while her family seem more concerned about making YouTube videos with the aim of furthering a feud.

Their culture is disgusting and has no place in modern society. They will not change while we placate them and give credence to idea that problem is that we call them knackers.

So you're saying people can be evil and criminal? I agree. Terrible stuff.

Walker Black Sesame wrote: »

Matt, I don't care how left-liberal your politics are — you can't ignore the fact that these attacks are connected to a disturbingly violent culture of family feuding associated specifically with Travellers.

No other group in Irish society is attacking children with machetes. It's not a scumbag issue — it's a Traveller issue.

Things have gone far past the point where anyone can justify making excuses for this barbarism. This violent feuding, and Traveller criminality more generally, needs to be tackled urgently. It is getting worse and worse, and destroying lives, while politicians faff about and do nothing for fear of seeming racist.

Yeah, I'm not defending them. Easier to pretend I am, but I'm not. However I won't be racist, which I believe would be the appropriate term as they have a 'culture' now.

Floppybits · 19-11-2019 5:32pm

Briando wrote: »

Not all Travellers are scumbags, but a disproportionally large share of them are.
I wouldn't like to live beside a traveller family going from past experiences. If that makes me a racist, then I guess I am.

Who would want to live beside them? Infact it is not just travellers who I wouldn't want to live beside, it's anybody that is going to make my life a misery?

I know I wouldn't want to live beside anyone who is a scumbag or criminal or a scumbag criminal who is going to make my life a misery.

Be honest would anyone want that?

Floppybits · 19-11-2019 5:37pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

Where do you even start with these? Where do you even ****ing start?

Maybe start by applying the law to them. The problem I see is that they think that the rule of law doesn't apply to them. Sulky races, bare knuckle fights, fueds, the list goes on, time for the government and law enforcement agencies to start applying to the law to them and put a stop to them thinking that the law doesn't apply to them.

James Brown · 19-11-2019 5:41pm

Floppybits wrote: »

Maybe start by applying the law to them. The problem I see is that they think that the rule of law doesn't apply to them. Sulky races, bare knuckle fights, fueds, the list goes on, time for the government and law enforcement agencies to start applying to the law to them and put a stop to them thinking that the law doesn't apply to them.

There's a blind eye being turned. We see similar in poorer areas. Once the important people are relatively unscathed, sure let them kill each other. We can just shrug our shoulders with, 'travelers' or 'junkies' etc.

LuasSimon · 19-11-2019 5:41pm

Easy for travellers to be causing Mayhem everywhere when 98% don’t or won’t work , social welfare doesn’t go chasing any of them to produce job applications or going on courses !
Instead of USC appearing on your wage slip it will soon read contribution to travellers welfare bill !

tayto lover · 19-11-2019 6:58pm

Floppybits wrote: »

Maybe start by applying the law to them. The problem I see is that they think that the rule of law doesn't apply to them. Sulky races, bare knuckle fights, fueds, the list goes on, time for the government and law enforcement agencies to start applying to the law to them and put a stop to them thinking that the law doesn't apply to them.

And yet they represent 23% of the prison population despite only being only 0.7% of the population.

nkl12xtw5goz70 · 19-11-2019 7:01pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

I don't consider myself the Americanised definition of 'liberal' all the internet kids refer to these days. There's certain people I'd see locked up for life without parole.
Yeah, I'm not defending them. Easier to pretend I am, but I'm not. However I won't be racist, which I believe would be the appropriate term as they have a 'culture' and ethnic status now. I don't recognise them as an ethnic group, I wouldn't have bestowed that upon them.

Fair enough. I was reacting to the "not all Travellers..." line.

We must face the reality that Traveller culture has grown steadily more violent since the advent of social media. It has become the norm to document attacks, fights, and call-outs, and share them among the wider Traveller community by way of YouTube, WhatsApp, and other channels. This inevitably fuels a culture of retribution and egging-on that leads to ever more violent attacks, because no family wants to be viewed as weak in front of the entire community. If one family does x, the other family feels they need to do 2x in response, and the whole thing quickly escalates out of control.

Acting as if this feuding is confined to a small minority of Travellers ignores the fact that many other Travellers are involved in sharing and commenting on videos and egging on the perpetrators to ever greater atrocities.

We need a coordinated and hard-hitting response to this across both sides of the border. The softly-softly approach to this feuding, and the general appeasement approach to Travellers, is getting us nowhere. I'm sure the Gardai and the PSNI know exactly who is involved, so why let the violence escalate further?

13 year-old girl critical after Lisnaskea machete attack

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