Judgement day for Maria Bailey.

Peter Flynt · 31-10-2019 10:57pm

Decision left to the gay boys leading FG.

31-10-2019 11:01pm

Peter Flynt wrote: »

Decision left to the gay boys leading FG.

Who are you hustler. Some people like taco, others go for salad. Bailey is seemingly made of teflon/has dirt on everyone in FG as leverage.

Muahahaha · 31-10-2019 11:01pm

https://twitter.com/janeymcd23/status/1190017528589893642

Tin Foil Hat · 31-10-2019 11:02pm

He made his own bed when he tried to bury the story under a report. I'm sure he fancies himself as a spin master, but he's absolutely sh1te at it.

Snow Garden · 31-10-2019 11:04pm

Are FG party members now suggesting it wasn't a bona fides insurance claim like Maria, Leo, Josepha and Simon said? I am confused.

ddarcy · 31-10-2019 11:05pm

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Rock and a hard place? He hadn't the balls to be decisive last May instead he commissioned a report hoping that would bury the matter.Reap what you sow. FG doing well to hold two seats in DLR with Bailey on the ticket they will be lucky to get one.

As I said afterwards he has to choose the option with the least amount of damage. Yes he fobbed it off, hoping to bury it, but my guess is, is that if we know what he knows FG could see a 5+ point dip from it. He is being naive thinking this won’t come out though. I’m going to guess that the independent will release more info come election time.

But if he had the balls to drop her, they probably would have recovered by now. So, in my eyes, there is something very destructive to the party in the report that he means having Bailey on the ticket might not get it. I think his incompetence is definitely showing in this regard.

McMurphy · 31-10-2019 11:05pm

Snow Garden wrote: »

Are FG party members now suggesting it wasn't a bona fides insurance claim like Maria, Leo and Simon said? I am confused.

This.

https://twitter.com/oconnellhugh/status/1190023163570216965?s=19

Basically, there's always the option of Maria spilling the beans on what Madigan advised her to do, releasing same, and then run as an independent.

Odyssey 2005 · 31-10-2019 11:16pm

Kinda quiet around here. Ladz must be in the bar slaughtering pints and sniffing on the FG expense account

McMurphy · 31-10-2019 11:24pm

Odyssey 2005 wrote: »

Kinda quiet around here. Ladz must be in the bar slaughtering pints and sniffing on the FG expense account

They're maybe leaving some of their famous skid marks and stains in the hotel jack's.

is_that_so · 31-10-2019 11:28pm

Tin Foil Hat wrote: »

Leo is just about stupid and stubborn enough to leave her on it.

You'd hardly expect him to do something tonight, he's very slow and deliberate on this stuff. I think he'll still try to nudge her towards standing down if he can.

jmreire · 31-10-2019 11:42pm

Johnny Dogs wrote: »

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Leo and the lads are in a lose lose situation now regardless, if how this is being reported is correct, and the matter is being put back on the top echelons of the FG Party, then they will have to either sink a TD who, (according to them) an unreleased internally conducted investigation completely exonerated her from any wrongdoings, would look like extremely bad form, and hypocritical to get shot of her after that.

Do they look like hypocritical ****, who (in bad form) got rid of an exonerated woman,

Or do they leave a woman on the ticket who the nation view as an absolute charlatan who tried to fleece a local business because of her own stupidity, following the advise of her party colleague still sitting pretty in a ministerial position?

Well done leo, you played an absolute blinder, you absolute Muppet.:D

Had he of removed bailey almost six months ago when he should have, the worst of this would have blown over by now.

D - from me Leo, must try harder.

Had Leo acted decisively in the beginning, and distanced himself and FG from Marie's claim scam, it would have increased FG's standing with people...at last, some one, A Leader, who was straight and honest, and who would not tolerate even a hint of corruption in the party rank's.... FG's stock would have risen, and it would have shown in the poll's too. But same old same old...

It wasnt me123 · 01-11-2019 12:01am

Maria Bailey has some neck to even consider running — clearly the injury claim was a non-runner, contributory negligence and all that - instead of apologising for bringing herself, her family and the party into disrepute with her greed, she tries to play the sympathy card over her father’s death.

Gen.Zhukov · 01-11-2019 12:11am

is_that_so wrote: »

You'd hardly expect him to do something tonight, he's very slow and deliberate on this stuff. I think he'll still try to nudge her towards standing down if he can.

Excellent point. Invertebrates aren't exactly renowned for their speed.

nc6000 · 01-11-2019 12:14am

It wasnt me123 wrote:

Maria Bailey has some neck to even consider running â€” clearly the injury claim was a non-runner, contributory negligence and all that - instead of apologising for bringing herself, her family and the party into disrepute with her greed, she tries to play the sympathy card over her fatherâ€™s death.

Ah come on. I wouldn't dream of defending her but her father did die shortly after the story broke and before Leo decided what to do about it.

banie01 · 01-11-2019 12:19am

is_that_so wrote: »

You'd hardly expect him to do something tonight, he's very slow and deliberate on this stuff. I think he'll still try to nudge her towards standing down if he can.

Back in May/June I posted the only way FG were getting away with Maria leaving the lower house quietly was by ushering her off to a senatorship or a Semi-State.
Tonight's lack of action only hardens that belief for me.
She has Madigan by the short and cutlets and by extension the entire FG leadership.
The lack of action and the attempt to exonerate her on the foot of the private report that will only ever see light if FG throw Madigan under a bus all point to incompetent and inept leadership.

Sultan of Bling · 01-11-2019 12:23am

nc6000 wrote:

Ah come on. I wouldn't dream of defending her but her father did die shortly after the story broke and before Leo decided what to do about it.

Did anyone check rip.ie for confirmation. I wouldn't put anything past her.

Sultan of Bling · 01-11-2019 12:25am

banie01 wrote:

Back in May/June I posted the only way FG were getting away with Maria leaving the lower house quietly was by ushering her off to a senatorship or a Semi-State. Tonight's lack of action only hardens that belief for me. She has Madigan by the short and cutlets and by extension the entire FG leadership. The lack of action and the attempt to exonerate her on the foot of the private report that will only ever see light if FG throw Madigan under a bus all point to incompetent and inept leadership.

The only hope is that after she is kicked out she drags others with her.

01-11-2019 12:35am

Sultan of Bling wrote: »

Did anyone check rip.ie for confirmation. I wouldn't put anything past her.

Why don't you check RIP.ie and report back?

https://rip.ie/death-notice/john-sean-bailey-dalkey-dublin/393044

Personally I despise Maria Bailey's party, worldview, ethics, political heritage and all she stands for... as far as I can see she should be disqualified from political office and perhaps face criminal action.

But if you can't feel empathy with someone who's lost a parent nor look up a three-letter URL then you're even more corrupt and incapable of public office than she is.

What an extraordinary achievement that is. Congratulations.

seligehgit · 01-11-2019 12:45am

Sultan of Bling wrote: »

Did anyone check rip.ie for confirmation. I wouldn't put anything past her.

That is a truly disgusting comment.

Plumbthedepths · 01-11-2019 12:53am

A line from the musical Sound of Music, " How do you solve a problem like Maria?" Answers on a postcard to Leo Varadkar TD Dept of the Taoiseach .lol

Baseball72 · 01-11-2019 12:53am

She's one of my local TD's
I've been voting in DLR constituency since 73. Also canvas for some FG councillors . I will be voting to de-select her.
Showed incredibly bad judgement in taking that case to begin with.

Bunny Colvin · 01-11-2019 1:00am

https://www.rte.ie/news/2019/1031/1087681-fg-dun-laoghaire/

RTE running this now.

McMurphy · 01-11-2019 1:01am

Baseball72 wrote: »

She's one of my local TD's
I've been voting in DLR constituency since 73. Also canvas for some FG councillors . I will be voting to de-select her.
Showed incredibly bad judgement in taking that case to begin with.

True, but she got legal advice, and so I go back to my doctor analogy.

Meanwhile her supporters say

https://twitter.com/newschambers/status/1190025239402622977?s=19

Sheep breeder · 01-11-2019 1:11am

banie01 wrote: »

Back in May/June I posted the only way FG were getting away with Maria leaving the lower house quietly was by ushering her off to a senatorship or a Semi-State.
Tonight's lack of action only hardens that belief for me.
She has Madigan by the short and cutlets and by extension the entire FG leadership.
The lack of action and the attempt to exonerate her on the foot of the private report that will only ever see light if FG throw Madigan under a bus all point to incompetent and inept leadership.

As I have said before on the swing gate thread she will run and be elected again as the people will vote for one of their own and the blue shirts known this from Tipp with Lowry.

votecounts · 01-11-2019 1:16am

Sultan of Bling wrote: »

Did anyone check rip.ie for confirmation. I wouldn't put anything past her.

I wouldn't be her biggest fan but that is a sick comment to make:(

Plumbthedepths · 01-11-2019 1:25am

Sheep breeder wrote: »

As I have said before on the swing gate thread she will run and be elected again as the people will vote for one of their own and the blue shirts known this from Tipp with Lowry.

Just to be safe I'd advise you not to place a bet on the outcome you predict.

TimHorton · 01-11-2019 7:57am

banie01 wrote: »

Back in May/June I posted the only way FG were getting away with Maria leaving the lower house quietly was by ushering her off to a senatorship or a Semi-State.
Tonight's lack of action only hardens that belief for me.
She has Madigan by the short and cutlets and by extension the entire FG leadership.
The lack of action and the attempt to exonerate her on the foot of the private report that will only ever see light if FG throw Madigan under a bus all point to incompetent and inept leadership.

She will pull out and the compensation is a term in the Seanad , Its the FG way..

seligehgit · 01-11-2019 7:58am

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/im-no-victim-or-villain-bailey-fights-for-her-fg-future-38650953.html

Finance Minister Paschal Donohoe will now have to make the ultimate decision on her future.

He is Fine Gael's director of organisation and will be its director of elections for the general election.

padd b1975 · 01-11-2019 8:17am

TimHorton wrote: »

She will pull out and the compensation is a term in the Seanad , Its the FG way..

The same Seanad that FG proposed to abolish?

Unfortunately they were let down by voters that decided to"stick it to the man".

It wasnt me123 · 01-11-2019 9:36am

nc6000 wrote: »

Ah come on. I wouldn't dream of defending her but her father did die shortly after the story broke and before Leo decided what to do about it.

And????

Did her father make her take out the personal injury claim?
Did he make her go on RTÉ radio saying ‘but I was injured’ as if someone else was to blame.

Do you think she is the only one with family sickness and deaths?

It should have been her deciding what to do, not Leo or any other FG group - she should have stood up, said I made a mistake and stepped back out of the lime light, regathered herself and her public persona and maybe came back as a local counsellor - she WAS a good politician and well thought of - she could have come back from it if she had owned what happened and admitted she was human.

givyjoe · 01-11-2019 9:41am

It wasnt me123 wrote: »

And????

Did her father make her take out the personal injury claim?
Did he make her go on RTÉ radio saying ‘but I was injured’ as if someone else was to blame.

Do you think she is the only one with family sickness and deaths?

It should have been her deciding what to do, not Leo or any other FG group - she should have stood up, said I made a mistake and stepped back out of the lime light, regathered herself and her public persona and maybe came back as a local counsellor - she WAS a good politician and well thought of - she could have come back from it if she had owned what happened and admitted she was human.

Precisely, the timing of her fathers death should have absolutely no bearing whatsoever, on whether or not she is removed from the ticket.

Her appalling lack of judgement, stupidity and greed is what matters here.

Snow Garden · 01-11-2019 9:47am

Bailey is making the headlines on both print and radio in November. This story will run and run.

sydthebeat · 01-11-2019 9:48am

Snow Garden wrote: »

Bailey is making the headlines on both print and radio in November. This story will run and run.

So much for the bots who tried to claim it was a nothing story and would be forgotten about long ago

Snow Garden · 01-11-2019 9:56am

There were 120 seats in the room but 160 showed up. I wonder if some of the die hards here showed up?

marieholmfan · 01-11-2019 9:59am

TimHorton wrote: »

She will pull out and the compensation is a term in the Seanad , Its the FG way..

FG gave us the chance to get rid of the Seanad and said at the time that they wouldn't reform it.

_Kaiser_ · 01-11-2019 9:59am

givyjoe wrote: »

Precisely, the timing of her fathers death should have absolutely no bearing whatsoever, on whether or not she is removed from the ticket.

Her appalling lack of judgement, stupidity and greed is what matters here.

Yep. The two points are completely unrelated. I don't know why death is used as a means to exonerate people so much in this country, but her personal loss has nothing to do with her decisions and response on the matter in question.

_Kaiser_ · 01-11-2019 10:01am

marieholmfan wrote: »

FG gave us the chance to get rid of the Seanad and said at the time that they wouldn't reform it.

People didn't want it abolished, just reformed. They knew full well that letting FG (or any government really) run without even that minimal level of review was a bad thing.

FG arrogance at work again.

is_that_so · 01-11-2019 10:03am

marieholmfan wrote: »

FG gave us the chance to get rid of the Seanad and said at the time that they wouldn't reform it.

What they didn't do was give any evidence what they were going to do after abolition. It just became a grubby campaign about money, allowing useless Senators to claim to have loftier ideals.

is_that_so · 01-11-2019 10:09am

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

People didn't want it abolished, just reformed. They knew full well that letting FG (or any government really) run without even that minimal level of review was a bad thing.

FG arrogance at work again.

That's what committees are for. They promised to give them more powers but never bothered to lay out what those plans looked like. I also seriously doubt that you can prove that claim about reform. Support for abolition was at 60% at one stage. It's not the concept of unicameralism that was wrong, many countries have them.

MadYaker · 01-11-2019 10:13am

They will run the candidate who they think is most like to win the seat. Leo and co may say nice things about her in public but they’ll give her the boot without a second thought if think it’s necessary.

Snow Garden · 01-11-2019 10:21am

is_that_so wrote: »

What they didn't do was give any evidence what they were going to do after abolition. It just became a grubby campaign about money, allowing useless Senators to claim to have loftier ideals.

Ah yes but when Enda lost the Seanad referendum they commissioned a report on Seanad reform.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/enda-kenny-box-ticking-on-seanad-reform-341515.html

The recommendations of the Manning report are gathering dust.

Opposition leaders have accused Taoiseach Enda Kenny of not being serious about Seanad reform as they insisted he refused to discuss substantial issues at a face-to-face meeting on the future of the upper house.

The Taoiseach was only interested in a “box-ticking” exercise, rather than exploring ways of widening the electorate and powers of the Seanad

Now Enda or his fob turns up at the Dail to scab expenses...

McMurphy · 01-11-2019 10:24am

MadYaker wrote: »

They will run the candidate who they think is most like to win the seat. Leo and co may say nice things about her in public but they’ll give her the boot without a second thought if think it’s necessary.

As I've already said, they'll find it hard to give someone the boot, they've told us that the report they won't let us see, has exonerated her.

Further to that, there's also the sticky wicket of Madigans involvement in the whole thing (perhaps even more than Madigan, as we still don't know who the "friends" with Maria on the night were)

Madigan gave Bailey legal advice, Bailey took her solicitors advice, yet Bailey is the only one from within the Law and Order party under the microscope.

Bailey threatened to take others with her on the Sean Sean Sean show, so if she's booted I expect to see leaks on the legal advice, and then we'll possibly see Madigan up to her neck in it too.

The time for popcorn is almost upon us.

is_that_so · 01-11-2019 10:28am

Snow Garden wrote: »

Ah yes but when Enda lost the Seanad referendum they commissioned a report on Seanad reform.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/enda-kenny-box-ticking-on-seanad-reform-341515.html

The recommendations of the Manning report are gathering dust.

Now Enda or his fob turns up at the Dail to scab expenses...

As long as the Seanad is used as an ante-room for the Dail it's pointless. As for the reforms I could see voting go below that of the locals very quickly. It doesn't need to be there but there was nothing stopping them coming up with draft legislation for a future post-Seanad Oireachtas. About 50% of parliaments worldwide have one chamber.

Snow Garden · 01-11-2019 10:28am

Were the other 2 Dun Laoghaire TDs from Fine Gael at the vote?
Barret hardly went but O'Connor?

Snow Garden · 01-11-2019 10:31am

is_that_so wrote: »

As long as the Seanad is used as an ante-room for the Dail it's pointless. As for the reforms I could see voting go below that of the locals very quickly. It doesn't need to be there but there was nothing stopping them coming up with draft legislation for a future post-Seanad Oireachtas. About 50% of parliaments worldwide have one chamber.

So what is stopping them? Where it the promisid reform of the Seanad?
The referendum was in 2013. They have the Manning report. Is New Politics dead already?

marieholmfan · 01-11-2019 10:35am

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

People didn't want it abolished, just reformed. They knew full well that letting FG (or any government really) run without even that minimal level of review was a bad thing.

FG arrogance at work again.

Reformed how?
Reform the Seanad is like 'leave means leave' it's a pointless catchphrase for morons.

What oversight? what review?
What oversight did the Seanad provide when the established parties imposed a news blackout on Sinn Fein?

Kenny said bluntly that the Seanad isn't important , that it is a useful place to stash failed politicians and that its current arrangement suits the established parties.

He also said that any discussion on the Seanad would be a waste of Dail time because it would drag on for months.

The people had their chance to get rid of it and didn't take that chance.

Snow Garden wrote: »

So what is stopping them? Where it the promisid reform of the Seanad?
The referendum was in 2013. They have the Manning report. Is New Politics dead already?

FG were clear that they wouldn't reform the Seanad.
The Seanad doesn't matter and is useful for the established parties. Reform is literally a waste of time.

Snow Garden wrote: »

Ah yes but when Enda lost the Seanad referendum they commissioned a report on Seanad reform.

Enda was clear from day 1 that he wouldn't reform

is_that_so · 01-11-2019 10:38am

Snow Garden wrote: »

So what is stopping them? Where it the promisid reform of the Seanad?
The referendum was in 2013. They have the Manning report. Is New Politics dead already?

In political terms it's really not that important. They don't they want to reform it nor does anyone else as it pretty much suits them all. FF and SF will say they do but IMO because it is gives them the other side of the argument as an out. I'd say it's been parked for another run at abolition.

McMurphy · 01-11-2019 10:38am

marieholmfan wrote: »

Enda was clear from day 1 that he wouldn't reform

Might help explain why the referendum was lost so.

Snow Garden · 01-11-2019 10:39am

is_that_so wrote: »

As long as the Seanad is used as an ante-room for the Dail it's pointless. As for the reforms I could see voting go below that of the locals very quickly. It doesn't need to be there but there was nothing stopping them coming up with draft legislation for a future post-Seanad Oireachtas. About 50% of parliaments worldwide have one chamber.

Enda took the Seanad defeat well and then talked about reform but it was only talk.

In 2016 he put these good people in the Seanad;

- James O'Reilly (https://www.thejournal.ie/james-reilly-stands-over-primary-care-centre-decision-making-processes-612896-Sep2012/)

- Michelle Mulherin (of dodgy expenses fame)

- Paudie Coffey (Minister for Housing before 2016, that went well)

- Marie Louise O'Donnell (Mayo woman and close friend of Enda)

- Ray Butler (In 2019, it was reported that Butler had taken three years to repay the €30,000 severance allowance he received upon losing his Dáil seat, which became forfeit and repayable once he accepted a nomination to the Seanad)

- Frank Feighan (Broke a pre election promise but got his reward in Seanad)

is_that_so · 01-11-2019 10:42am

Snow Garden wrote: »

Enda took the Seanad defeat well and then talked about reform but it was only talk.

In 2016 he put these good people in the Seanad;

James O'Reilly (https://www.thejournal.ie/james-reilly-stands-over-primary-care-centre-decision-making-processes-612896-Sep2012/)

Michelle Mulherin (of dodgy expenses fame)

Paudie Coffey (Minister for Housing before 2016, that went well)

Marie Louise O'Donnell (Mayo woman and close friend of Enda)

Ray Butler (In 2019, it was reported that Butler had taken three years to repay the €30,000 severance allowance he received upon losing his Dáil seat, which became forfeit and repayable once he accepted a nomination to the Seanad)

Frank Feighan (Broke a pre election promise but got his reward in Seanad)

Take in a session sometime. I think it pops up on Oireachtas TV. The standard of debate is stultifying. Add any party you want to that list; that's what the Seanad is for.

Judgement day for Maria Bailey.

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