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Ultimate Seduction · 23-07-2019 1:36am #1

How come undercooked mince can make you sick e coli but you can eat a big bloody steak no bother?

Beast4mdaeast · 23-07-2019 1:38am

Because germs live on surface areas... hence mince has a much greater surface area ..compared to the sealed sides of a steak

Beast4mdaeast · 23-07-2019 1:39am

Ohh and mince will have gone trough a mincer that's probably filthy anyway

23-07-2019 1:39am

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

How come undercooked mince can make you sick e coli but you can eat a big bloody steak no bother?

Because you're killing the bacteria on the edges of the meat, there wont be any in the middle.....whereas in mince it will all be mixed through the meat.

Ultimate Seduction · 23-07-2019 1:40am

Beast4mdaeast wrote: »

Because germs live on surface areas... hence mince has a much greater surface area ..compared to the sealed sides of a steak

Why can't I eat raw chicken fillets ?

gctest50 · 23-07-2019 1:41am

Be grand, bit of recette

Insect Overlord · 23-07-2019 1:41am

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Why can't I eat raw chicken fillets ?

Different kind of bacteria. It lives deep inside the chicken meat.

Beast4mdaeast · 23-07-2019 1:42am

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Why can't I eat raw chicken fillets ?

Well you could but i wouldn't recommend it ..
I heard not all chicken but only some carry salmonella

23-07-2019 1:42am

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Why can't I eat raw chicken fillets ?

Salmonella and Campylobacter bacteria....nasty stuff

Beast4mdaeast · 23-07-2019 1:43am

Im the smarter one :P

Ultimate Seduction · 23-07-2019 1:44am

I just had a badly cooked homemade burger and I'm in bits. I've often eating raw steak hence the question

Beast4mdaeast · 23-07-2019 1:45am

The worst food poisoning i ever had was from cocktail sausages at a kids party.. anyone that eat them where in bits!! Pork is nasty

Insect Overlord · 23-07-2019 1:45am

Steak comes from the choice cuts. Minced beef? Eh, not so much...

Ultimate Seduction · 23-07-2019 1:45am

Beast4mdaeast wrote: »

Well you could but i wouldn't recommend it ..
I heard not all chicken but only some carry salmonella

I like those odds, wonder how itd taste

Ultimate Seduction · 23-07-2019 1:46am

Insect Overlord wrote: »

Steak comes from the choice cuts. Minced beef? Eh, not so much...

Minced steak gives ecoli aswell though

23-07-2019 1:47am

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

I just had a badly cooked homemade burger and I'm in bits. I've often eating raw steak hence the question

48 hours will see you right, just keep access to a toilet and drink plenty of water :-)

Twenty Grand · 23-07-2019 1:47am

Insect Overlord wrote: »

Steak comes from the choice cuts. Minced beef? Eh, not so much...

Mince is put through a mincer. Plenty of surface area and exposure to bacteria.
Steak has much less.

Temperatures of 70-80C are all you need to kill bacteria. You can heat a chicken or a steak to that and not cook it.

Beast4mdaeast · 23-07-2019 1:49am

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Minced steak gives ecoli aswell though

Yes because its minced.. higher risk as the surface area is greatly multiplied. So needs to be cooked right through to be sure to kill off any bacteria

Sardonicat · 23-07-2019 1:52am

Beast4mdaeast wrote: »

The worst food poisoning i ever had was from cocktail sausages at a kids party.. anyone that eat them where in bits!! Pork is nasty

Many moons ago I wound up in hospital for three days after those things with severe food poisoning and consequent dehydration.

Ultimate Seduction · 23-07-2019 2:00am

Sardonicat wrote: »

Many moons ago I wound up in hospital for three days after those things with severe food poisoning and consequent dehydration.

Interesting.

tuxy · 23-07-2019 2:09am

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Minced steak gives ecoli aswell though

e. coli comes from the intestine of the animal and can infect any of the meat during slaughter. When you mince the steak e. coli speaks if you don't mince it the muscle fibres of the steak are too dense for it to penetrate so can only be on the surface.

bilbot79 · 23-07-2019 2:13am

Yet McDonald's in France will routinely give you a pinkish burher

Ultimate Seduction · 23-07-2019 2:17am

bilbot79 wrote: »

Yet McDonald's in France will routinely give you a pinkish burher

That's probably food colouring to make it look like meat. I'd stick to my butcher as much as possible

tuxy · 23-07-2019 2:21am

If you have authentic French cuisine available to you(excluding steak tartare) and you choose McDonald's you deserve to be poisoned.

Outlaw Pete · 23-07-2019 3:23am

Solution: mince your own meat, I do. Works out more expensive but it's worth it I think.

Badly Drunk Boy · 23-07-2019 3:44am

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

I just had a badly cooked homemade burger and I'm in bits. I've often eating raw steak hence the question

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

I like those odds, wonder how itd taste

If you really are suffering from food poisoning at the moment, why would you be contemplating getting a different version of food poisoning?

Hector Savage · 23-07-2019 9:35am

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

Why can't I eat raw chicken fillets ?

Isn't there a Japanese "delicacy" that has raw chicken ?

F*cking vile if true ..

topper75 · 23-07-2019 11:10am

tuxy wrote: »

If you have authentic French cuisine available to you(excluding steak tartare) and you choose McDonald's you deserve to be poisoned.

True. I kind of wonder how they exist at all there. I nipped into one for a wee and bought a coffee (which they do well). Some mornings you need a little more than a thimblefull of caffeine.

the beer revolu · 23-07-2019 12:22pm

Insect Overlord wrote: »

Steak comes from the choice cuts. Minced beef? Eh, not so much...

This has absolutely nothing to do with the distribution of bacteria.

Do you really think that bacteria will avoid fillet steak and head straight for the shin beef????

antix80 · 23-07-2019 12:26pm

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

How come undercooked mince can make you sick e coli but you can eat a big bloody steak no bother?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=why+can+you+eat+steak+rare+but+not+ground+beef

CrankyHaus · 23-07-2019 12:29pm

How does Steak Tartare avoid the risk of infection inherent in raw mince?

Aside, McDonalds in France is not bad at all, streets ahead of the homeless shelters of the same name you'll find in the US. Obviously it doesn't hold a candle to french cusine done well but if you've been on the tear a few days over there you'll appreciate a quick burger and chips over being treated like dirt by some surly Pariesienne waiter before you're deemed worthy to munch down a few snails.

the beer revolu · 23-07-2019 12:31pm

CrankyHaus wrote: »

How does Steak Tartare avoid the risk of infection inherent in raw mince?

It doesn't really.
They reduce the risks by mincing freshly and having very good hygiene practices.
Wouldn't be allowed here.

The safe way to prepare tartare is to take a whole piece of meat and quickly sear it on all sides to kill any bacteria on the surface. The cooked surface is then trimmed away leaving raw meat which should be minced in a clean mincer and served straight away.

El Weirdo · 23-07-2019 12:32pm

Ultimate Seduction wrote: »

How come undercooked mince can make you sick e coli but you can eat a big bloody steak no bother?

And that's not blood.

Duane Dibbley · 23-07-2019 12:39pm

In Germany I used to eat mett broetchens all the time.

I guess it depends how it’s prepared.

Stevieluvsye · 23-07-2019 12:43pm

Beast4mdaeast wrote: »

The worst food poisoning i ever had was from cocktail sausages at a kids party.. anyone that eat them where in bits!! Pork is nasty

I once got Salmonella poisoning from an egg and i can say hand on heart it was the second most painful thing that has ever happened to me. The stomach pains were unreal. Hospital job for a few days

Only a slight second to an abcess on my tooth ten years ago. Only time i considered death was a better option than the pain i was in

tuxy · 23-07-2019 12:44pm

Duane Dibbley wrote: »

In Germany I used to eat mett broetchens all the time.

I guess it depends how it’s prepared.

It's processed and stored at low temperatures to reduce the spread of bacteria and pathogens. It would still be higher risk than cooked meat but if the correct regulations are followed that risk is greatly reduced.

ohnonotgmail · 23-07-2019 12:47pm

the beer revolu wrote: »

It doesn't really.
They reduce the risks by mincing freshly and having very good hygiene practices.
Wouldn't be allowed here.

The safe way to prepare tartare is to take a whole piece of meat and quickly sear it on all sides to kill any bacteria on the surface. The cooked surface is then trimmed away leaving raw meat which should be minced in a clean mincer and served straight away.

for steak tartare it should be minced with a knife only and not put anywhere near a mincer.

jiltloop · 23-07-2019 12:59pm

Hector Savage wrote: »

Isn't there a Japanese "delicacy" that has raw chicken ?

F*cking vile if true ..

Yes there is, it's relatively new as far as I know. They source the chicken from very trusted suppliers and it is the breast that is quickly seared on the outside but raw in the middle. The chicken must be recently killed so it's as fresh as possible.

Apparently it tastes like fish!

No thanks....

Feisar · 23-07-2019 2:40pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Solution: mince your own meat, I do. Works out more expensive but it's worth it I think.

I minced a rib eye at the weekend, as part of my Serious Burgers series.

Former Observer · 23-07-2019 3:10pm

Honestly it's all 99% nonsense. I am good friends with someone that eats raw beef, raw lamb and occasionally raw chicken. They eat raw offal on a regular basis (kidneys, heart, liver etc.). They have been doing this for ages are as fit as a fiddle. Not for me though.

discobeaker · 23-07-2019 3:18pm

Former Observer wrote: »

Honestly it's all 99% nonsense. I am good friends with someone that eats raw beef, raw lamb and occasionally raw chicken. They eat raw offal on a regular basis (kidneys, heart, liver etc.). They have been doing this for ages are as fit as a fiddle. Not for me though.

My dogs on a raw meat diet just like him

Edit - just seen you said raw offal,my God,the smell of that stuff is horrendous

Keyzer · 23-07-2019 3:23pm

CrankyHaus wrote: »

How does Steak Tartare avoid the risk of infection inherent in raw mince?

Aside, McDonalds in France is not bad at all, streets ahead of the homeless shelters of the same name you'll find in the US. Obviously it doesn't hold a candle to french cusine done well but if you've been on the tear a few days over there you'll appreciate a quick burger and chips over being treated like dirt by some surly Pariesienne waiter before you're deemed worthy to munch down a few snails.

Tartare is one steak, minced. Or at least it should be, typically the fillet.

Mince meat comes from god knows how many animals.

the beer revolu · 23-07-2019 3:32pm

Keyzer wrote: »

Tartare is one steak, minced. Or at least it should be, typically the fillet.

Mince meat comes from god knows how many animals.

This doesn't explain why tartare might be safe to eat.
That one steak could be covered in e coli.

Again, just because fillet is an expensive cut doesn't make it less prone to having bacteria grow on it.

tuxy · 23-07-2019 4:49pm

I would think there are butchers in France that specialise in steak for tartare. The butcher taking extra precautions should minimise the risk but even though I love blue steak I don't think I'd risk tartare.

Twenty Grand · 23-07-2019 5:29pm

Former Observer wrote: »

Honestly it's all 99% nonsense. I am good friends with someone that eats raw beef, raw lamb and occasionally raw chicken. They eat raw offal on a regular basis (kidneys, heart, liver etc.). They have been doing this for ages are as fit as a fiddle. Not for me though.

You're right.

Your one friend more than enough evidence to refute all the doctors and food scientists who tell us the exact opposite.

tuxy · 23-07-2019 5:35pm

Has anyone here ever seen an e. coli on their plate? Very suspicious.........

Former Observer · 24-07-2019 1:49pm

Twenty Grand wrote: »

You're right.

Your one friend more than enough evidence to refute all the doctors and food scientists who tell us the exact opposite.

Except it's not just my one friend is it. There are lots of people who maintain a diet rich in raw meat. As I said, it's not for me, but the dangers are enormously inflated.

BrokenArrows · 24-07-2019 5:39pm

Chicken meat ie by default riddled with e coli, salmonella and others.
Apart from this when chickens are slaughtered there is very little care taken not to pierce the bowels of the animals. So the meat is regularly contaminated by the contents of the chickens bowels containing all sorts of ****.

Something like 20% of all supermarket chicken is contaminated.

Also importantly the type of bacteria in chicken do not require a large amount to make you sick. So a tiny amount of e coli on chicken and you are ****ed.

Bacteria found in beef doesnt have the same potency.

BrokenArrows · 24-07-2019 5:49pm

Former Observer wrote: »

Honestly it's all 99% nonsense. I am good friends with someone that eats raw beef, raw lamb and occasionally raw chicken. They eat raw offal on a regular basis (kidneys, heart, liver etc.). They have been doing this for ages are as fit as a fiddle. Not for me though.

If your friend is buying very high quality steak & lamb from a place with great hygiene standards then he will likely be limiting his risk for any problems. Worst case scenario from those is probably just a minor case of the ****s the next day and i doubt your friend keeps you updated on his daily cycle.

Eating offal is a higher risk, but still nothing too bad as long as its handled well and cleaned before eating.

Chicken however is a complete gamble. Depending on where he buys them then the quality and chance of infection is lower.
Eat raw chicken from tesco or lidl and you will be guaranteed to be in trouble as they mass slaughter with no care to protect the animals bowels from contaminating the meat.

Buy it from a local farmer/supplier who takes great care to supply high quality product and you reduce the risk. But if he ate this regularly before long he would be sick, guaranteed.

In some places in Japan (but not common at all) they serve raw chicken sushi. However this is a special breed of chicken that they take great care to raise in a clean environment, fed a special diet of natural food which has natural antibiotic properties, care is taken during slaughter, but even they say its not without risk.

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