Face covering exemption question

Princess Calla · 02-09-2020 5:10pm

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

I didn't know thee was medical reasons that wouldn't allow wearing of a mask.

Yeah there is a list of them.

Autism or sensory issues would be the main ones for children.

kenmm · 02-09-2020 5:10pm

todolist wrote: »

Why is my son more likely to spread a disease he doesn't have.Should he be made sit on the roof of the bus on the way into school to protect other passengers?

You don't know he doesn't have it tho unless you have some test that you use every day that gives the results back right away..

Penn · 02-09-2020 5:13pm

OP ultimately the school have a responsibility to all students and the teachers with Covid-19 prevention. Face masks are mandatory. Your son has a legitimate medical exemption. The school can't just say "Okay, forget about it".

They need to have some measure to prevent transmission both from and to your child. Preventative measures only work if they're applied to all. Your child may feel discriminated against, but he's not. The best preventative measure that can be applied to your child taking into account their medical exemption from wearing a facemask has been applied.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 02-09-2020 5:33pm

Princess Calla wrote: »

Yeah there is a list of them.

Autism or sensory issues would be the main ones for children.

Actually you don't need a medical reason and the school needs to outline under what statutory instrument they are collecting that medical information.

This whole fiasco is a nonsense. I cannot get over how so many parents have been so compliant in accepting these restrictions when rationale behind these measures is very questionable.

Seems that parents will accept anything in the mistaken assumption that things will just back to normal when the reality is that only when you start to resist and question these measure that these intrusions will stop.

All of this is having a serious impact on children's development and parents who blindly accept these measures are complicit in any long term adverse impacts for not questioning these contradictory restrictions.

kenmm · 02-09-2020 5:35pm

Mustafa Lemon Weeknight wrote: »

Actually you don't need a medical reason and the school needs to outline under what statutory instrument they are collecting that medical information.

This whole fiasco is a nonsense. I cannot get over how so many parents have been so compliant in accepting these restrictions when rationale behind these measures is very questionable.

Seems that parents will accept anything in the mistaken assumption that things will just back to normal when the reality is that only when you start to resist and question these measure that these intrusions will stop.

All of this is having a serious impact on children's development and parents who blindly accept these measures are complicit in any long term adverse impacts for not questioning these contradictory restrictions.

Maybe start your own thread then and stop banging on about it on someone else's advice thread?

Someone comes on, is stressed out and asks a question. Is this the time to be adding more stress to prove your own point?

v638sg7k1a92bx · 02-09-2020 5:41pm

amdublin wrote: »

So what, because you "don't like it", we do nothing? We are all taking lots of different steps - a mask is just one of them.

What's next? You "don't like" people washing their hands?

The real question you should ask is - why are increasing restrictions, curtailing personal freedoms and rights to an education for an unremarkable virus that is a bad flu equivalent?

Almost nobody is dying, almost nobody is getting sick and almost nobody is in hospital from this virus so why are we traumatising our children and sending them into these hostile environments with people wearing masks and separating from one another where there is little or no risk of getting this virus?

un5byh7sqpd2x0 · 02-09-2020 5:45pm

todolist wrote: »

Why is my son more likely to spread a disease he doesn't have.

Because he’s not wearing a mask, you don’t know he doesn’t have it.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 02-09-2020 5:46pm

kenmm wrote: »

Maybe start your own thread then and stop banging on about it on someone else's advice thread?

Someone comes on, is stressed out and asks a question. Is this the time to be adding more stress to prove your own point?

It's a relative point because people need to question the rationale behind these measures which are causing the concern. You have to address the underlying issue which are the restrictions in school and what is the basis for excluding that child especially when those reasons are illogical and make no sense.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 02-09-2020 5:49pm

Mack Jealous Album wrote: »

Because he’s not wearing a mask, you don’t know he doesn’t have it.

Since when did people go around living their lives on the basis that they might have an illness, we used to call those people hypochondriacs.

Did you go around last year with the assumption you had the flu?

kenmm · 02-09-2020 5:51pm

Mustafa Lemon Weeknight wrote: »

It's a relative point because people need to question the rationale behind these measures which are causing the concern. You have to address the underlying issue which are the restrictions in school and what is the basis for excluding that child especially when those reasons are illogical and make no sense.

YOU think it's relative. It's not all about you. Someone is looking for advice on how to handle a situation. If you want to debate the events leading to the situation, wouldn't it be more appropriate to go start a thread in the right forum than spend half if this one detracting from the OPs query?

Mods probably gonna get me for back seat modding here. Fine, but I'm fed up with this constant derailment on innocent enough question/answer type threads.

iamwhoiam · 02-09-2020 5:55pm

Mustafa Lemon Weeknight wrote: »

Since when did people go around living their lives on the basis that they might have an illness, we used to call those people hypochondriacs.

Did you go around last year with the assumption you had the flu?

You do know that this thread is not about you don’t you ?

Mrs OBumble · 02-09-2020 6:08pm

Penn wrote: »

Preventative measures only work if they're applied to all.

That is simply not true.

Vaccination is our most widely used preventative measure. Even 80% coverag provides the population with considerable protection.

OP your child is being bullied by exclusion. Make this the school's problem to solve.

kenmm · 02-09-2020 6:13pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

OP your child is being bullied by exclusion. Make this the school's problem to solve.

Or just have a word and see if they can do something more reasonable?

A child is getting stressed out here. The welfare of the child is the important factor. Not going in all guns blazing here.

un5byh7sqpd2x0 · 02-09-2020 6:17pm

Mustafa Lemon Weeknight wrote: »

Since when did people go around living their lives on the basis that they might have an illness

Since March 12th.

todolist · 02-09-2020 6:18pm

Just for the record.My son has autism and severe sinus problems.

Deub · 02-09-2020 6:20pm

Whatever the school does, it will be the wrong decision:
- they sat him away from children: they are bullying him
- they sat him at the same desk with other children : the school is putting other children at risk

Like said another poster, approach the school with solutions that could satisfy everyone.

greasepalm · 02-09-2020 6:23pm

Reports on the news say 2 schools now have closed as 2 people tested positive and told to self isolate,bloody hell.One can only do so much.

Psychiatric Patrick · 02-09-2020 6:52pm

todolist wrote: »

Just for the record.My son has autism and severe sinus problems.

You DON'T need to explain that anyone. He can't where a mask is the point. Why is no one's business.

02-09-2020 7:03pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

That is simply not true.

Vaccination is our most widely used preventative measure. Even 80% coverag provides the population with considerable protection.

OP your child is being bullied by exclusion. Make this the school's problem to solve.

So 78 posts for the OP to get the nonsense she wanted to hear. Child is not being bullied. Parent is being a baby.

02-09-2020 7:06pm

OP, I feel sorry your child has conditions, I really do. But the whole world cannot revolve around his needs. Remember Spock!!

amdublin · 02-09-2020 7:08pm

Deleted User wrote: »

OP, I feel sorry your child has conditions, I really do. But the whole world cannot revolve around his needs. Remember Spock!!

What about Spock?!

Psychiatric Patrick · 02-09-2020 7:09pm

Mrs OBumble wrote: »

That is simply not true.

Vaccination is our most widely used preventative measure. Even 80% coverag provides the population with considerable protection.

OP your child is being bullied by exclusion. Make this the school's problem to solve.

The kid is not being bullied. Unless you have evidence against the principal ?

Someone at the simply didn't think of the child would feel being put to the side. I is horrible and I would be angry but it s wrong to say bullying.

The OP has a role here too. Did he/she not consider what the school needed to do because the kid can't wear a mask? Why did the parents not get involved in finding a solution or making sure it was okay?

loveall · 02-09-2020 7:14pm

If the OP wasn't an anti masker this would have made easier reading

Str8outtaWuhan · 02-09-2020 7:14pm

amdublin wrote: »

What about Spock?!

"the needs of the many greatly outweigh the needs of the few, or the one"

Charles Babbage · 02-09-2020 7:15pm

todolist wrote: »

So you would be fine with your child being discriminated against because he has a medical issue? I feel he is been victimised and treated like a leper.

The issue is whether he causes a medical issue, other children have to be protected.

Psychiatric Patrick · 02-09-2020 7:24pm

loveall wrote: »

If the OP wasn't an anti masker this would have made easier reading

Is there mention of this in the thread by the OP?

Psychiatric Patrick · 02-09-2020 7:25pm

Charles Babbage wrote: »

The issue is whether he causes a medical issue, other children have to be protected.

All the kids need to be protected.

Any child, autism or not, would not like to be seated apart from. the other kids

v638sg7k1a92bx · 02-09-2020 7:54pm

Deleted User wrote: »

OP, I feel sorry your child has conditions, I really do. But the whole world cannot revolve around his needs. Remember Spock!!

But we revolve the world around kids who have nut allergies.

v638sg7k1a92bx · 02-09-2020 7:55pm

Str8outtaWuhan wrote: »

"the needs of the many greatly outweigh the needs of the few, or the one"

Just like nut allergies.

Charles Babbage · 02-09-2020 8:09pm

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

All the kids need to be protected.

Any child, autism or not, would not like to be seated apart from. the other kids

Not liking something is not on a par with getting a disease.

Wesser · 02-09-2020 8:14pm

If he has severe sinus problems..... then surely youd want to.protect him from covid!!!!??????

Psychiatric Patrick · 02-09-2020 8:23pm

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Not liking something is not on a par with getting a disease.

The school is supposed to considered the physical, mental and emotional well being of the children.

The desk with the plastic guard could easily be placed among the others. It didn't need to put to the side.

hurleronditch · 02-09-2020 8:24pm

Mustafa Lemon Weeknight wrote: »

Just like nut allergies.

None of the “many” died because they didn’t bring nuts to school though

fits · 02-09-2020 8:39pm

I’m reading this thread with complete dismay. Masks were never supposed to be met with 100% compliance. As mrs OBimble has pointed out even 80% compliance has a significant effect on spread at the population level.

Any one individual has a minuscule chance of having/ spreading the virus. Anyone with an exemption from wearing masks should not be treated any differently.

I would take this up with the school. Legally if necessary. And leave the anti mask rhetoric out of it. It’s not helping your case.

Afroshack · 02-09-2020 8:44pm

Ah here so much of this thread is nonsense. OP, your child is not being bullied or victimised. The school have to think of everyone and how best to protect EVERY child from the virus. (And staff) Your child can’t wear a mask so they had to put up behind a screen instead.

Would you rather your child was sat with another pupil and infected them? Infected his teacher? His classmates? (Who night also have medical issues and not be able to wear masks?)

Caused an outbreak in the school?

They have to make adjustments so that every single person is protected as much as possible and it’s your responsibility to prepare him for that. You really need to realise that the world doesn’t revolve around your son, and it’s not fair to put others at risk to suit his circumstances. If you’re that unhappy, homeschool him as others have said.

Psychiatric Patrick · 02-09-2020 9:28pm

Afroshack wrote: »

Ah here so much of this thread is nonsense. OP, your child is not being bullied or victimised. The school have to think of everyone and how best to protect EVERY child from the virus. (And staff) Your child can’t wear a mask so they had to put up behind a screen instead.

Would you rather your child was sat with another pupil and infected them? Infected his teacher? His classmates? (Who night also have medical issues and not be able to wear masks?)

Caused an outbreak in the school?

They have to make adjustments so that every single person is protected as much as possible and it’s your responsibility to prepare him for that. You really need to realise that the world doesn’t revolve around your son, and it’s not fair to put others at risk to suit his circumstances. If you’re that unhappy, homeschool him as others have said.

The OP was not objecting to the screen. The problem is that the child was made to sit apart from the others.

todolist wrote: »

My 13 year old has a medical exemption from wearing face coverings in secondary school.Today he went into his school for induction.The Principal was aware of his exemption yet she made him sit away from other classmates behind a plastic screen beside the class teacher.
Surely he should be allowed to sit at his desk like everyone else? Any advice or guidance would be appreciated.

Wesser · 02-09-2020 9:39pm

This is the modern way of thinking.

If i donnt get what i want or if i have to consider the needs of others i am a victim and you are discriminating against me.

Princess Calla · 02-09-2020 9:51pm

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

The OP was not objecting to the screen. The problem is that the child was made to sit apart from the others.

Look at it from a different perspective.

The child has a medical condition that means that they can't wear a mask... Which is fine.

The school has a duty of care to do what they can to protect this student. Remember this is completely uncharted territory for everyone and a bloody steep learning curve.

The school took the decision to put the child behind a safety screen, for the child's own safety... Yes they are apart from the group, but they are the most vulnerable of the group.

I guarantee if the child was let mingle freely you'd have a parent on saying "my child can't wear a mask and the school has done nothing. They are left to their own devices we feel totally abandoned"

Wesser · 02-09-2020 10:01pm

Yes.... imagine if this child got covid..... parent would then accuse the school.of negligence ....... discrimination! Because they didnt protect him against covid!

fits · 02-09-2020 10:07pm

Parabellum9 wrote: »

Absolute nonsense and shame on you for even spouting such ****. The school has a duty of care to ALL of its students, it’s not the schools problem if one child is unable to wear a face mask. The other students need to be protected and exemption or not, if you can’t wear a mask then stay at home or be prepared for some level of exclusion. That’s the way it works in the real world and is rightly the way it is working in schools as well.

No you are speaking nonsense. An exemption from mask wearing is no excuse to treat a child with special needs any differently

This thread is A perfect example of why public health were reluctant to make them mandatory in the first place.

Parabellum9 · 02-09-2020 10:17pm

fits wrote: »

No you are speaking nonsense. An exemption from mask wearing is no excuse to treat a child with special needs any differently

This thread is A perfect example of why public health were reluctant to make them mandatory in the first place.

Sorry but if there are 100 children present and 1 can't wear a mask due to whatever reason, then the 99 need to and deserve to be protected. An exemption is just for the 1 child - it doesn't mean they get to get freely mingle and potentially infect the other 99 regardless of your emotions on it. The school are spot on with what they have done here.

Princess Calla · 02-09-2020 10:23pm

fits wrote: »

No you are speaking nonsense. An exemption from mask wearing is no excuse to treat a child with special needs any differently

This thread is A perfect example of why public health were reluctant to make them mandatory in the first place.

I don't think the issue has anything to do with the child's special needs though.

The child was kept separated because they were not wearing a mask.

I don't have special needs but I have a condition that means I don't have to wear a mask, if I don't wear a mask do I expect to be treated differently.. Yes I do, that could equally be a positive or a negative.
Would I blame anyone for treating me with caution... No

I do wear a mask because it makes life easier for everyone else

fits · 02-09-2020 10:25pm

Parabellum9 wrote: »

Sorry but if there are 100 children present and 1 can't wear a mask due to whatever reason, then the 99 need to and deserve to be protected. An exemption is just for the 1 child - it doesn't mean they get to get freely mingle and potentially infect the other 99 regardless of your emotions on it. The school are spot on with what they have done here.

If there are 99/100 children wearing a mask the risk is greatly reduced for everyone. That’s the point

I’m an enthusiastic mask wearer since long before most but people are completely losing all sense and perspective in this.

Parabellum9 · 02-09-2020 10:26pm

GT89 wrote: »

They are not spot on they are breaking the law

They aren’t breaking any laws, they are correctly protecting the majority of their students as any parent would expect them to. Just like the real world where you will be refused access to shops if you are not wearing one - it’s not their problem if you can’t put one on, the health of the majority takes priority over the feelings or exclusion or exemptions (no matter how justified) of one.

LillySV · 02-09-2020 10:27pm

Mustafa Lemon Weeknight wrote: »

It's also been proven that the efficacy of facemasks is designed for a clinical environment. There is no co-relation between wearing a face mask and a reduction in transmission of the virus. But we won't let logic get in the way of national hysteria over a virus that less people have died from than car accidents in August.

Show me proven evidence of this ?

fits · 02-09-2020 10:30pm

Parabellum9 wrote: »

They aren’t breaking any laws, they are correctly protecting the majority of their students as any parent would expect them to. Just like the real world where you will be refused access to shops if you are not wearing one - it’s not their problem if you can’t put one on, the health of the majority takes priority over the feelings or exclusion or exemptions (no matter how justified) of one.

You can’t refuse a disabled person access to a shop because they aren’t wearing a mask. They are EXEMPT

jackboy · 02-09-2020 10:30pm

Parabellum9 wrote: »

The other students need to be protected and exemption or not, if you can’t wear a mask then stay at home or be prepared for some level of exclusion. That’s the way it works in the real world and is rightly the way it is working in schools as well.

Nonsense. None of the children in most primary schools are wearing masks. Should they stay at home also? The mask wearing is to reduce risk not eliminate risk. If someone cannot wear a mask for legitimate reasons then this only marginally increases the risk.

Orion · 02-09-2020 10:33pm

Thread closed pending review

Orion · 02-09-2020 10:43pm

Mustafa Lemon Weeknight wrote: »

But we revolve the world around kids who have nut allergies.

We will be reopening this thread when we clean it up. You will not bring your nonsense here just because you are banned from doing it elsewhere. If you post even once in this thread or any thread about covid 19 in Parenting or subforums again you will be permanently banned. I hope this is completely clear.

Orion · 02-09-2020 10:50pm

GT89 wrote: »

They are not spot on they are breaking the law

Read the above. It applies to you as well.

Face covering exemption question

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