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Hermy · 29-12-2016 12:27pm

Independent Newspapers appear to have changed things at announcement.ie which means you can't search for older death notices.
Another useful source gone behind a pay-wall presumably.

Corkgirl18 · 30-12-2016 5:47pm

Just came across a new site today. Its probably well known but just said I'd mention it anyway.
Its http://www.duchas.ie/en/cbes. It contains essays written by people (mostly school kids) in the 30's and 40's. You can search by surname or by school.
I found essays written by 2 Grandparents of mine.

pedroeibar1 · 31-12-2016 1:28am

Corkgirl18 wrote: »

Just came across a new site today. Its probably well known but just said I'd mention it anyway.

It's been around for quite a while. Those records are known about by many, particularly those who have an interest in local history. While it is nice to discover the childhood jottings of an ancestor, and to see them digitised and transcribed (often by local volunteers), history ain’t.

It is folklore, stories recounted to children as part of a homework project and not to be taken without a very large dose of salt. Researching them before ‘on-line’, one would wonder if it was worth the trip to UCD to look at them in its Folklore Collection. The bools I have looked at are riddled with inaccuracies – historical and genealogical - and regularly ‘stained’ by the biased politics of post War of Independence Ireland. A light read, often entertaining, if Enid Blyton bores you.

spurious · 31-12-2016 12:12pm

I was amused to read one child's version of where the placename Killester came from. Wildly inaccurate of course, but like something a child would come up with.

L1011 · 31-12-2016 1:35pm

I had to worry about general literacy standards in my Grandfather's school based on him having written over half the entries! Wasn't even that tiny a school.

tabbey · 31-12-2016 10:02pm

spurious wrote: »

I was amused to read one child's version of where the placename Killester came from. Wildly inaccurate of course, but like something a child would come up with.

Most of what children relate is what adults have told them or indoctrinated into them, adults who should know better, but who probably heard the same nonsense when they were young.

tabbey · 31-12-2016 10:05pm

L1011 wrote: »

I had to worry about general literacy standards in my Grandfather's school based on him having written over half the entries! Wasn't even that tiny a school.

I suspect that teachers submitted the projects of their pets, in the genuine belief that these brought most credit on the school.

shanew · 08-04-2017 5:36pm

for anyone missing the 1st. Ed. OSI historic maps which are down for the weekend - see GeoHive

Waitsian · 22-06-2017 9:05pm

I thought this was stickied? Anyway, I didn't think this news worthy of its own thread and wasn't sure where else to put it so...

Anyone else with Ontario ancestors? FmP are teaming up with the Ontario Genealogical Society to release millions of names in records from there. I'm delighted! Claire Santry's blog has the details.

Hermy · 22-06-2017 10:05pm

Further to that FMP UK and Ireland records are free for the next four days.

Again see Claire Santry's blog for more.

L1011 · 26-06-2017 12:08am

tabbey wrote: »

I suspect that teachers submitted the projects of their pets, in the genuine belief that these brought most credit on the school.

Very possible - I know he hated his secondary school but I never got to talk to him about his primary. Died when I was 11, so little chance to; although that grandmother is the last alive and fairly with it when she's not on the sherry!

Waitsian · 11-07-2017 10:08pm

Slightly off-topic in that it's about books so here goes. I was in Chapters today on Parnell street and there are a lot of second hand genealogy books upstairs, where normally there isn't to be honest. Top of the stairs, turn immediately left and there's a large wooden bookcase marked Irish Interest or something. Right behind that, and parallel with it is another I think marked Local History or summat. Bottom shelf, far right.

So what's there? Well for starters 4 or 5 copies of John Grenham's guides. 1 4th Edition, a couple of 3rd, 1 2nd. There's also a handful of copies of MacLysaght's Surnames of Ireland. Also there are about 6 copies of a hardback book called Tracing your Irish Family History by Anthony Adolph. I got one a few years ago and actually found a few things I didn't know. There are more, some good; some not so good. But worth a look.

I love getting old books for my collection. Honestly you can never know enough and it's funny what you can learn or find in some of these old pre-Internet books. Today I got a hardback edition of James G. Ryan's Irish Records for Family and Local History, printed in 1988, for 8 Euro. Each chapter is county by county and has some lovely maps in it.

Also purchased today - Claire Santry's new Irish Genealogy Guide. I haven't looked at it yet but I daresay there'll be something of interest in it. Tbh I don't care (though I have no doubt it will!). I bought it mostly because I wanted her to get the royalties quite frankly. She deserves my support for all the work she's done over the years and for her wonderful blog.

And btw 'we' get a mention in Appendix F! On behalf of Boards Genealogy - thanks Claire.

pinkypinky · 11-07-2017 11:00pm

That's cool. Ryan's book was the first genealogy book I got - from Santa, many years ago, at great expense (so Santa says!)
I haven't heard of the Anthony Adolph one either. Wonder who he is?

I've ordered a copy of Claire's book on Amazon too - wanted to be able to give her a review online as a verified purchaser.

Since we're talking about books - apart from the already mentioned Grenham, MacLysaght & Ryan, what else do you consider essential?

I would put Brian Mitchell's New Genealogical Atlas on the list and the Directory of Irish Archives. Flyleaf's county guides are excellent too.

Because I'm a nerd, I have a hard copy of the 1851 Townland Index.

shanew · 12-07-2017 7:50am

pinkypinky wrote: »

..Since we're talking about books - apart from the already mentioned Grenham, MacLysaght & Ryan, what else do you consider essential?

I would put Brian Mitchell's New Genealogical Atlas on the list and the Directory of Irish Archives. Flyleaf's county guides are excellent too.

Because I'm a nerd, I have a hard copy of the 1851 Townland Index.

+1 for New Genealogical Atlas... essential reference. I also have a Ryan's Irish Records which I still use, and a hard copy '51 Townland Index.

Waitsian · 12-07-2017 12:26pm

I've just ordered, this minute, Mitchell's Atlas and a book by James Reilly about Griffith's Valuation. My book collection to date is attached.

pinkypinky · 12-07-2017 2:37pm

I was going to take a photo of mine last night but decided it would just mark me down as a massive nerd, as opposed to the moderate nerd you all think I am.

Waitsian · 12-07-2017 3:48pm

pinkypinky wrote: »

I was going to take a photo of mine last night but decided it would just mark me down as a massive nerd, as opposed to the moderate nerd you all think I am.

I'm an unashamed nay proud nerd. In more avenues than one. I spent two hours yesterday in Tower records perusing Jazz and Blues vinyl and World films.

I'd love to know what genealogical literature everyone possesses so, please, do take a photo and post. It'll give me ideas!

pinkypinky · 12-07-2017 6:17pm

On a tangent more appropriate here: you're emigrating? I hope it's for a fantastic job and new life somewhere warm.

Waitsian · 12-07-2017 6:47pm

pinkypinky wrote: »

On a tangent more appropriate here: you're emigrating? I hope it's for a fantastic job and new life somewhere warm.

Malta. Getting married. Job wise I'll fill you all in when I'm up and running. Self-employment though, in this general line, but not as a genealogist per se. Speaking of which, whilst there over the winter I started working on my partner's family history - she's Maltese of course. I was thinking of writing something up in a thread, just to juxtapose our records with theirs. One thing I can tell you. Whilst visiting a church office I was shown a hand written record in an old, dusty
book of the first baptism in the parish. 1562. I kid you not. Most parishes have records of birth, marriage (and death!) back to at the latest the mid 17th Century. Incredible.

I could also do a write-up on Canadian research if anyone's interested. Ontario especially.

pinkypinky · 12-07-2017 6:56pm

Mod9maple - pm about those ideas for thread please.

Jellybaby1 · 12-07-2017 8:35pm

mod9maple wrote: »

Malta. Getting married. Job wise I'll fill you all in when I'm up and running. Self-employment though, in this general line, but not as a genealogist per se. Speaking of which, whilst there over the winter I started working on my partner's family history - she's Maltese of course. I was thinking of writing something up in a thread, just to juxtapose our records with theirs. One thing I can tell you. Whilst visiting a church office I was shown a hand written record in an old, dusty
book of the first baptism in the parish. 1562. I kid you not. Most parishes have records of birth, marriage (and death!) back to at the latest the mid 17th Century. Incredible.

I could also do a write-up on Canadian research if anyone's interested. Ontario especially.

That date of 1562 is amazing, and would be even more amazing if it were discovered by an actual descendent! Just out of curiosity what religion is that church, (if you don't mind saying)?

Waitsian · 12-07-2017 8:55pm

Jellybaby1 wrote: »

That date of 1562 is amazing, and would be even more amazing if it were discovered by an actual descendent! Just out of curiosity what religion is that church, (if you don't mind saying)?

Catholic. Malta must be the most Catholic place on earth! Apart from the Vacitan. Of course the Knights of St John basically ran the place from 1530, and they had no penal laws imposed by another denomination. Their state records, under British rule, started in the same year as ours.

Jellybaby1 · 12-07-2017 8:58pm

mod9maple wrote: »

Catholic. Malta must be the most Catholic place on earth! Apart from the Vacitan. Of course the Knights of St John basically ran the place from 1530, and they had no penal laws imposed by another denomination. Their state records, under British rule, started in the same year as ours.

That's very interesting, thanks. Wonder why they got off more lightly than the RCC in Ireland.

Waitsian · 12-07-2017 9:35pm

Jellybaby1 wrote: »

That's very interesting, thanks. Wonder why they got off more lightly than the RCC in Ireland.

The Knights ran it as a fiefdom til 1800(ish) when Napoleon waltzed in. The British kicked the French out a couple of years later and British rule from then until the 1960s was pretty benign. The Turks invaded in 1565 but after quite a lengthy siege, scarpered. The Maltese, and their church, were pretty much left by them all to just get on with their own religious concerns hence the fabulous records.

Jellybaby1 · 13-07-2017 11:01am

Fascinating! You are in for a fabulous time of research there.

Waitsian · 13-07-2017 1:34pm

pinkypinky wrote: »

Mod9maple - pm about those ideas for thread please.

Given my current time constraints it won't be anytime soon, but later in the summer I'll PM you with what I'm thinking of, certainly, no problem. Thanks.

pedroeibar1 · 15-07-2017 1:48pm

mod9maple wrote: »

Given my current time constraints it won't be anytime soon, but later in the summer I'll PM you with what I'm thinking of, certainly, no problem. Thanks.

Catching up on recent posts - Congrats on nuptuals and planned move. I hope all does not diminish your time for posting/contributing here.

FWIW many English parish records exist from the 1500's and earlier - I have for e.g. a scan (from Kew) of the will and probate of my 11th great gandmother* The will was made the fifteenth March 'the three and thirtieth year of the reign of our sovereign ladye Elizabeth...etc' i.e.1581
*accepting as valid two generational links in the 1700's

Alan259 · 15-07-2017 3:05pm

mod9maple wrote: »

Also there are about 6 copies of a hardback book called Tracing your Irish Family History by Anthony Adolph. I got one a few years ago and actually found a few things I didn't know.

Thanks for this.

I'v been looking for a while to get my own copy of this book. I'd recommend this book to every Irish genealogist as it's very well written and goes into detail on all the main aspects of Irish genealogy research including how to trace the Irish diaspora in England and Wales, Scotland, the United States, Canada, Argentina, Australia and New Zealand.

pinkypinky · 21-07-2017 12:22pm

I got Claire Santry's book yesterday and have finished it this morning, when I should have been working. Fantastic!

It's really great and I think it'll become a standard work on the subject. Even as a professional genealogist, she's taught me things I didn't know, and referenced material I wasn't aware of (online) so I need to go back through it and mark places and ideas for further research.

The research suggestions on how to find people around your family who might be connected are great. It's something I'd been working on without naming the theory. I.e I researched COI families in Dublin called Walters and sorted them into family groups to see if I could identify a place to link in my earliest ancestor, whose birth I can't find. I didn't find him but it was still useful work.

Jellybaby1 · 21-07-2017 11:54pm

I'm hungry to get my hands on Ms Santry's book now!

JDERIC2017 · 24-07-2017 9:01am

I have Ordered Claire Santry's book, also can't wait to read and explore!!

BowWow · 26-07-2017 4:30pm

pinkypinky wrote: »

I got Claire Santry's book yesterday and have finished it this morning, when I should have been working. Fantastic!

It's really great and I think it'll become a standard work on the subject. Even as a professional genealogist, she's taught me things I didn't know, and referenced material I wasn't aware of (online) so I need to go back through it and mark places and ideas for further research.

The research suggestions on how to find people around your family who might be connected are great. It's something I'd been working on without naming the theory. I.e I researched COI families in Dublin called Walters and sorted them into family groups to see if I could identify a place to link in my earliest ancestor, whose birth I can't find. I didn't find him but it was still useful work.

Is this book available in a bricks and mortar shop, or solely on the net?

pinkypinky · 26-07-2017 4:39pm

No idea. But you can get shops to order books in for you.

http://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2017/05/just-published-my-new-irish-genealogy.html

JDERIC2017 · 30-07-2017 12:54pm

Just thought I would share my exciting find!
We never knew or had solid evidence who my great grandfather
Was, just had his name which my grandfather is named after.
I did some investigating and followed the family line of a man who I found on
Census. Through my DNA results and matches I have confirmed that man is
My great grandfather, just waiting for my relation to reply but his family tree
Confirms what I have found....

spurious · 30-07-2017 3:42pm

BowWow wrote:

Is this book available in a bricks and mortar shop, or solely on the net?

I got mine through kennys.ie

pinkypinky · 01-08-2017 10:16pm

Great review from John Grenham for Claire Santry's book.

BowWow · 13-08-2017 4:37pm

spurious wrote: »

I got mine through kennys.ie

Thanks, picked it up in Easons - had loads in stock. Then was in Glasnevin Cemetery shop and a number on sale there - looks like its becoming the standard for people dipping into Genealogy.

DunnoKidz · 18-09-2017 4:59am

I've hit a few dead ends along two lines on ancestry.com, no new records on family search either.
Are there better sites anyone has tried? (I am a beginner to research.)
Or if you had to choose to purchase only one more subscription, which site do you find the most useful?
If you don't mind me asking?

Hermy · 18-09-2017 7:26am

It depends on the what, where and when of your research DK.
What's the nature of your dead ends?

DunnoKidz · 19-09-2017 4:38pm

3 ancestors ranging from the mid 1800's to early 1900's, no records found except a random note stating their existence. Both in the states and Ireland. A teenager who died in childbirth; a man with no apparent father; and a woman who supposedly emigrated, but with no records. Leaving two lines virtually untraceable, so far.

pinkypinky · 21-09-2017 9:57am

Well, you have to remember that records do run out.

What I do in those circumstances is start to research other parts of my family and then come back to the problem ones periodically. With experience, you gain more insight and might think "oh, why didn't I look at X before".

For example, there's a big gap between 2 of my grandfather's brothers and I always thought it was weird. Recently, I decided to put the surname in on Irishgenealogy.ie for that gap period and I found an extra child, mother's name mistranscribed, he was born and died in this gap - living just over 2 years. Very sad but I'm happy I could restore him to the family memory. All because I thought of it randomly one day.

KildareFan · 21-09-2017 10:14am

That's my solution too - if the branch has been shaken and no more leaves are falling, move on to another branch and work on that for a while. New databases are coming online all the time so it's worth going back every now and again to see if anything turns up.

I did the ancestry DNA test which has opened up a branch for me that goes back to 1666.

DunnoKidz · 23-09-2017 3:49am

Thanks guys, great info!

Waitsian · 23-09-2017 6:34pm

http://www.irishgenealogynews.com/2017/09/book-launch-atlas-of-irish-revolution.html?m=1

Anyone get it? I heard this was the second in a series. I wonder what (an)other(s) might be about? I have both of the first two anyway and as someone who loves putting my family history into context they are fascinating.

pinkypinky · 23-09-2017 11:34pm

€59 :eek: I will look at it in the library!

Jellybaby1 · 24-09-2017 7:06pm

pinkypinky wrote: »

€59 &#55356;&#56320;I will look at it in the library!

Thinking the same myself!

pinkypinky · 04-11-2017 1:22am

This is just a general grumble about people who don't reply to your messages on Ancestry, especially those *ec*ers who appear to have copied your whole family tree verbatim and so are obviously a relatively near relation.

KildareFan · 04-11-2017 1:30am

pinkypinky wrote: »

This is just a general grumble about people who don't reply to your messages on Ancestry, especially those *ec*ers who appear to have copied your whole family tree verbatim and so are obviously a relatively near relation.

Can empathise with this - I have at least two Ancestry types who are copying my tree but don't seem to want to share what they know.

BowWow · 04-11-2017 11:25am

KildareFan wrote: »

Can empathise with this - I have at least two Ancestry types who are copying my tree but don't seem to want to share what they know.

I had to go "Private" on my tree for this reason - their loss..

pinkypinky · 04-11-2017 11:38am

My tree is private on Ancestry but I have shared it with a few people, and they've put up the same info.

I also don't understand why people are so keen to add in unrelated families. Like they put in someone who married in, and then they add that person's entire family tree. Those people aren't in your family! One of them is related by marriage, that's all. I might research someone's parents if I'm looking for potential kids' names but that's it usually.

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