Madeleine McCann

bubblypop wrote: »

Sorry, but this is untrue.
Yes they were very irresponsible leaving their children like they did, I'm sure they regret that every day of their lives.
However, the person or persons responsible are the Person(s) that either abducted her or killed & hid the body.
Without evidence against the parents, you cannot state they did either. So not responsible for Madeline being missing.

I cannot reconcile the fact that the parents left three under four year olds alone, and yet the sole responsibility for whatever happened is placed on a so called abductor.

There is no evidence of abduction either though. Is there?

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Has anyone ever explained how the twins slept through nearly 5/6 hours of commotion in the apartment. Never waking.

I can't imagine where the term 'sleep like a baby' ever came from. :rolleyes:

limnam wrote: »

A missing child is not evidence of an abduction. No more than it's not evidence the parents killed her.

Ok, there's a missing child. What are the options?

dark crystal wrote: »

Ok, there's a missing child. What are the options?

Wandered and got lost or fell in a hole

Was taken by an abductor

Died and was taken away by someone who knew her

Was killed by accident or died by accident and was removed


All possible but no evidence of any of them

Thats the strange puzzle here , not one single bit of evidence for any option . Nothing at all

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Nice attempt at baiting other posters, you hoping to get the thread closed or posters sanctioned?
Here is a fact Madeline is missing due to the irresponsible behaviour of the two people that should have protected her, not opinion but fact.

I get it. You’re of the opinion that Madeleines parents behaved irresponsibly. For some reason you can’t distinguish between “facts” and your opinion.
Well Madeleines disappeance had nothing to do with her parents who behaved impeccably throughout. Not opinion, fact.

splinter65 wrote: »

I get it. You’re of the opinion that Madeleines parents behaved irresponsibly. For some reason you can’t distinguish between “facts” and your opinion.
Well Madeleines disappeance had nothing to do with her parents who behaved impeccably throughout. Not opinion, fact.

The McCanns are of the opinion they behaved irresponsibly.


Hence them regretting it. Fact.


Behaved impeccably? They refused to cooperate with the Portuguese police?
They left 3 kids under 4 at home alone while they went out and ate and drank?


Is this a wind up?

limnam wrote: »

Not sure what part you don't seem to get


A missing child is a missing child.


It's not evidence someone abducted it, it's not evidence it got "lost" it's not evidence it was killed.


You understand?

“It”. Sums up the attitude to the missing child displayed here. She’s only a bit part player in the persecute the McCanns never ending circus. Awful stuff.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

The same parents who went off to a restaurant with their mates for a meal leaving their children unattended and unprotected , door unlocked. Impeccable, lol.

Yep. Impeccable parents. Loving caring generous and hardworking. Fact.

dark crystal wrote: »

There's really no need to be so patronising in your reply. I'm not stupid, so don't talk down to me as if I were.

Sorry, you don't seem to be able to separate a child missing and evidence of an abduction. So I tried to help you.

dark crystal wrote: »

Is abduction one of the more reasonable assumptions to make when a young child goes missing from their bed? I mean aside from alien abduction, running away to join the circus etc. It's a reasonable theory that she was abducted, rather than any of those other things.

Assumptions is not evidence.

dark crystal wrote: »

What evidence of abduction are you looking for in this particular case? A witness? None that weren't either ruled out or were never followed up on.


CCTV images? None available in the immediate area.



Fingerprints? Gloves?


Footprints? The crime scene was trampled. Vital evidence perhaps lost.


A confession? Not likely.


Dead body covered in the abductors DNA? Not so far.


Found alive? Again, sadly unlikely.



What other evidence would you suggest looking for for abduction to be a viable option besides a missing child?

This is why it comes across as patronising. As even after the explanation you don't seem to understand the difference between a missing child and evidence of an abduction.


The fact the child is misisng is not evidince of an abduction no more it's evidence she wandered off and fell down a well or was murdered by the parents or any other criminal act


do you understnd now?

dark crystal wrote: »

There's really no need to be so patronising in your reply. I'm not stupid, so don't talk down to me as if I were.



Is abduction one of the more reasonable assumptions to make when a young child goes missing from their bed? I mean aside from alien abduction, running away to join the circus etc. It's a reasonable theory that she was abducted, rather than any of those other things.


What evidence of abduction are you looking for in this particular case? A witness? None that weren't either ruled out or were never followed up on.


CCTV images? None available in the immediate area.



Fingerprints? Gloves?


Footprints? The crime scene was trampled. Vital evidence perhaps lost.


A confession? Not likely.


Dead body covered in the abductors DNA? Not so far.


Found alive? Again, sadly unlikely.



What other evidence would you suggest looking for for abduction to be a viable option besides a missing child?

Turn that around to the parents giving the kids Pseudoephedrine or some other sedative anti histamine.

The twins slept through all the trampling of the crime scene and so on.

Bottom line is no one knows.

But Occam's Razor is a good starting point. Think about it.

That plus the fact that the family had every assistance from people in high places from the get go. I doubt I would get that if my child went missing in the same circumstances. Would you, if heaven forbid the same thing happened to you?

Strange to me that everyone who had any power was involved. From police, Ambassadors, and so many more too many to mention. Handy to have those contacts. Good for them.

Anyway, there is still no evidence of abduction is there? None.

And why would an abductor target one child and not the other two, who were oblivious anyway, even if they needed an accomplice.

There are far too many inconsistencies in this that it is impossible not to be a tad sceptical about it all.

But if you can provide evidence of what happened that would be great.

Otherwise, we are all just using our instinct.

splinter65 wrote: »

“It”. Sums up the attitude to the missing child displayed here. She’s only a bit part player in the persecute the McCanns never ending circus. Awful stuff.

Clap clap, well done.


You've no interest , it's taken me awhile.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Yes, don't rise to it though.

It's on ignore.

limnam wrote: »

Sorry, you don't seem to be able to separate a child missing and evidence of an abduction. So I tried to help you.






Assumptions is not evidence.







This is why it comes across as patronising. As even after the explanation you don't seem to understand the difference between a missing child and evidence of an abduction.


The fact the child is misisng is not evidince of an abduction no more it's evidence she wandered off and fell down a well or was murdered by the parents or any other criminal act


do you understnd now?

But there’s no evidence of anything, except a missing child. So you can’t take either abduction or woke and wandered off the list.
Because both those scenarios have credible timelines.
Unless you can provide a credible timeline for the parents having disposed of Madeleines body then we can safely say that her parents didn’t harm her.
Now do YOU understand that?

splinter65 wrote: »

But there’s no evidence of anything, except a missing child. So you can’t take either abduction or woke and wandered off the list.
Because both those scenarios have credible timelines.
Unless you can provide a credible timeline for the parents having disposed of Madeleines body then we can safely say that her parents didn’t harm her.
Now do YOU understand that?

Evidence required for your theory now. It could be done.

Did one of the Checkers fail to enter the bedroom of the kids? Hmm.

I personally think they are being protected by D notices or something. There can be no criticism of Mcs in UK ever.

dark crystal wrote: »

No evidence of this, even after testing of the twins.

How long after the night were the tests done?

dark crystal wrote: »

I'd do everything in my power, yes. They made sure it was high profile so that people in power took notice I guess. Like you say, good for them.

You would.


I would.


They did not. They wouldn't help the police when questioned.

dark crystal wrote: »

so the McCanns can get some closure.

or be punished.

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Evidence required for your theory now. It could be done.

Did one of the Checkers fail to enter the bedroom of the kids? Hmm.

I personally think they are being protected by D notices or something. There can be no criticism of Mcs in UK ever.

If you think there’s no critiscm of Madeleines parents in the UK then you’d need to look at the comments section in any newspaper article about the case.
They continue to be the subject of a witch hunt far worse then the amateur stuff you see here. Madeleine herself quickly became a bit part player in the story of her own disappeance.
Pretty blonde high cheekboned Kate with the successful career and the happy marriage soon became the object of ire never seen before.
Even in this thread a poster referred to Madeleine 4 times in one post as “it”.
It’s the awful side of human nature that the anonymous side of chat rooms has exposed in so many ways.

I think I have just solved the CO2 global warming problem. No need for Fusion reactors to be perfected in 30 years time - just round up all the anti McCanners - similar energy potential to ant-matter - and put them all in a large chamber with display screens with constantly scrolling McCann case theories and trivia and then just harness the heat given off.

splinter65 wrote: »

If you think there’s no critiscm of Madeleines parents in the UK then you’d need to look at the comments section in any newspaper article about the case.
They continue to be the subject of a witch hunt far worse then the amateur stuff you see here. Madeleine herself quickly became a bit part player in the story of her own disappeance.
Pretty blonde high cheekboned Kate with the successful career and the happy marriage soon became the object of ire never seen before.
Even in this thread a poster referred to Madeleine 4 times in one post as “it”.
It’s the awful side of human nature that the anonymous side of chat rooms has exposed in so many ways.

Why are you here discussing it, if you think chat rooms are so bad? that is exactly what is going on here, if you don't mind me saying so. Log out if you feel uncomfortable about free speech.

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

5 months.

Ah.



So no proof they were not drugged in Portugal.