America's Cup

Stheno · 21-09-2013 9:07pm

Winds too high tonight, appears there is a delay

errlloyd · 21-09-2013 9:09pm

I think there is no wind.

Stheno · 21-09-2013 9:11pm

it's put back by an hour, apparently there is a lot of turbulence, no wind then patches of wind

neris · 21-09-2013 9:11pm

Race off till ten irish time. Weathers mucking bout again.

HeidiHeidi · 21-09-2013 9:19pm

Wind from the wrong direction, as far as I can tell.

Hard to believe they can't set a course to suit the wind, rather than waiting for the wind to suit the course.......

(I may have picked things up wrong of course)

neris · 21-09-2013 9:21pm

From sailinganarchy.com

delay of game
In a holding pattern for today’s AC. From their site:

“Where we’re at is the front is on top of us, it’s raining, light and variable wind, and the little wind that we have is out of the south, which would provide a reaching course up and down our city front racecourse,” said Regatta Director Iain Murray.

“We have varying opinions of when it will pass, but our most optimistic is the front will pass and the breeze will return to southwest around 1330. So we’re likely to have a delay while we wait for the wind to switch. We may not get a race in today or we may get one race, but we probably won’t get two races in. It’s just something we have to wait out. When the breeze shifts we expect 15 knots,” Murray said.

Stheno · 21-09-2013 9:22pm

neris wrote: »

Race off till ten irish time. Weathers mucking bout again.

It's looking like the wind is shifting positively though

neris · 21-09-2013 9:24pm

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Wind from the wrong direction, as far as I can tell.

Hard to believe they can't set a course to suit the wind, rather than waiting for the wind to suit the course.......

(I may have picked things up wrong of course)

I think theres a little island in the way and the way they want the courses set is to be suitable for tv and shoreside viewing. They redeveloped the waterfront for spectators. Bit mad i know trying to get nature to cooperate to suit your expensivly built viewing areas but then again it is larry ellisons "event"

HeidiHeidi · 21-09-2013 9:25pm

The gasping and groaning of the trimmers is hilarious! Worthy of the best soft porn

HeidiHeidi · 21-09-2013 9:28pm

Apologies again if I'm stating the obvious - I only watched this for the first time last night - but I find it incredible how the sail hardly move between their upwind/downwind settings..... it's really hard to tell what point of sail they're on!

Oooh, more moaning and groaning

Stheno · 21-09-2013 9:32pm

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Apologies again if I'm stating the obvious - I only watched this for the first time last night - but I find it incredible how the sail hardly move between their upwind/downwind settings..... it's really hard to tell what point of sail they're on!

Oooh, more moaning and groaning

This had me completely bamboozled when I first started watching, they tack and the sail seems to move a few mm compared to a tack on a "normal boat where it flies across etc.

I think it's due to the size and the speed of the changes, did you see the footage of the near capsize NZ had? You do actually notice the sail moving then as it causes the boat to right itself

neris · 21-09-2013 9:32pm

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

The gasping and groaning of the trimmers is hilarious! Worthy of the best soft porn

Whats porn?

miss no stars · 21-09-2013 9:32pm

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Apologies again if I'm stating the obvious - I only watched this for the first time last night - but I find it incredible how the sail hardly move between their upwind/downwind settings..... it's really hard to tell what point of sail they're on!

Oooh, more moaning and groaning

And how about the gybes where the apparent wind stays ahead... Tybes/gacks...,???

Also, the marks were intended to be not quite so immobile - they were supposed to be remote control boats which would have given etnz their 9th yesterday by allowing the legs to be shortened. The mark boats were scrapped after the death of Andrew Simpson.

HeidiHeidi · 21-09-2013 9:34pm

miss no stars wrote: »

And how about the gybes where the apparent wind stays ahead... Tybes/gacks...,???

Also, the marks were intended to be not quite so immobile - they were supposed to be remote control boats which would have given etnz their 9th yesterday by allowing the legs to be shortened. The mark boats were scrapped after the death of Andrew Simpson.

*head explodes slightly*

neris · 21-09-2013 9:35pm

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Apologies again if I'm stating the obvious - I only watched this for the first time last night - but I find it incredible how the sail hardly move between their upwind/downwind settings..... it's really hard to tell what point of sail they're on!

Oooh, more moaning and groaning

They create so much apparent wind that they dont need to run dead wind or close to it because the wind they make is forward of the boat. Unfortunatly not somthing us mere small boat sailors can do

neris · 21-09-2013 9:38pm

Some good cartoons of racing here on this guys site. Hes been at since the mid 90s and done some great cartoons of sailing events

http://www.monstacartoons.com

Stheno · 21-09-2013 9:40pm

neris wrote: »

They create so much apparent wind that they dont need to run dead wind or close to it because the wind they make is forward of the boat. Unfortunatly not somthing us mere small boat sailors can do

How did NZ end up in irons in one of the races in that case? Just a bad move? In fairness it was for a few seconds

And my question may be due to my bamboozlement

HeidiHeidi · 21-09-2013 9:47pm

Aha, that explains why I can't tell what tack they're on.... they're not sails at all, they're bloody aeroplane wings!

Back to monohulls with normal sails, say I

They wouldn't know what to do with themselves!

ETA - 40 metres high main :eek::eek::eek:

Stheno · 21-09-2013 9:50pm

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

Aha, that explains why I can't tell what tack they're on.... they're not sails at all, they're bloody aeroplane wings!

Back to monohulls with normal sails, say I They wouldn't know what to do with themselves!

ETA - 40 metres high main :eek::eek::eek:

Takes nearly the entire crew to carry that main!

Looks like the wind is not cooperating

HeidiHeidi · 21-09-2013 9:52pm

I have to work at the crack of dawn tomorrow - can't be waiting up all night for the wind to make its mind up :mad:

neris · 21-09-2013 9:53pm

From ac website UPDATE: 1335 hours

The race committee has moved the start time to 1415 and may even reschedule to 1430 as it waits for the breeze to settle down. The wind is blowing around 13 knots but is still swinging through a 20-degree arc, between 210 and 230 degrees, just a bit too far left.

Stheno · 21-09-2013 9:56pm

HeidiHeidi wrote: »

I have to work at the crack of dawn tomorrow - can't be waiting up all night for the wind to make its mind up :mad:

If they don't start by twenty to eleven our time, they won't.

neris · 21-09-2013 10:15pm

The waiting game sucks just as bad at home as it does on a boat

Stheno · 21-09-2013 10:17pm

neris wrote: »

The waiting game sucks just as bad at home as it does on a boat

Lol I was just thinking about how it sucks to be stuck out there waiting for the wind to pick up on a race night compared to this.

It's nearly nicer to be the one on the boat as you've the camaraderie on the boat and the banter with other boats!

Stheno · 21-09-2013 10:31pm

Looking good?

dloob · 21-09-2013 10:34pm

Agghhhhhhhh.
When will it end.

neris · 21-09-2013 10:34pm

Abandoned today no race.

Go to the pub

errlloyd · 21-09-2013 10:34pm

No racing today.

neris · 21-09-2013 10:37pm

This is what tv does to sport. No racing after 240pm local time so oprah or american jeremy kyle doesn't have to be cancelled for the day

Stheno · 21-09-2013 10:39pm

neris wrote: »

This is what tv does to sport. No racing after 240pm local time so oprah or american jeremy kyle doesn't have to be cancelled for the day

In my innocence I thought it was because the winds went mad in the afternoon in SF bay

neris · 21-09-2013 10:40pm

Im going to watch me some whitbread stuff on youtube. Real man racing

errlloyd · 21-09-2013 10:41pm

Didn't realise the race director was also an olympian, cup sailor and designed the modern international 18....

neris · 21-09-2013 10:47pm

errlloyd wrote: »

Didn't realise the race director was also an olympian, cup sailor and designed the modern international 18....

I think one of his design partners "burns" is on the oracle design team. Burns, murray dovell is their design shop in aus.

Stheno · 21-09-2013 11:11pm

This is probably a very stupid question, but there are no women on either crew.

Is this down to physicality?

miss no stars · 21-09-2013 11:27pm

Stheno wrote: »

This is probably a very stupid question, but there are no women on either crew.

Is this down to physicality?

Would imagine so. Most of the roles on board are grinding. You'll find very few women on big boats. There are exceptions, of course, but often they're sized to be sailed by big brutes of guys. Ellen MacArthurs boat was designed specifically with her height in mind. There's a certain basic physical requirement in the likes of AC72 boats that I imagine most fit guys would struggle with.

dloob · 21-09-2013 11:27pm

Stheno wrote: »

This is probably a very stupid question, but there are no women on either crew.

Is this down to physicality?

It looks like hard work on the America's cup boats.
In the next volvo ocean race an all female team can have 11 crew, mixed can have 9 and all male is 8. So definitely some allowance for the female physic there.
Although 3 extra crew seems like a lot.
Be interesting to see how team SCA do in the next ocean race.

neris · 22-09-2013 12:34am

Stheno wrote: »

This is probably a very stupid question, but there are no women on either crew.

Is this down to physicality?[/quote

Theres only been 1 womens team in tne americas cup back in 95. America 3 (also known as america cube) backed by bill koch. Didnt do to well in that cup against the other 2 defenders.

up to the 80s the cup was always a gentlemans race & was no place for women. That was the way the nyyc did things.

errlloyd · 22-09-2013 9:36am

To be fair the physical exertion thing is probably a bit of a cop out, there are plenty of fairly unfit lads knocking around the boats. The film wind deals with some of the issues of sexism is the Americas cup.

pedroeibar1 · 22-09-2013 10:08am

neris wrote: »

Some good cartoons of racing here on this guys site. Hes been at since the mid 90s and done some great cartoons of sailing events

http://www.monstacartoons.com

Thanks. A very talented guy, some of those are really good!

miss no stars · 22-09-2013 11:48am

errlloyd wrote: »

To be fair the physical exertion thing is probably a bit of a cop out, there are plenty of fairly unfit lads knocking around the boats. The film wind deals with some of the issues of sexism is the Americas cup.

Who of them are unfit?

I wasn't talking about physical exertion. I was referring to size and strength issues. Out of the 11 on board, only 4 are not grinders. Is the ratio of male to female pro sailors less than 4:1? If not then I see no issues.

While there has been sexism in the past, this cup is really down to ability of those on board the boats. They even scrapped the guest racer. Tradition has been put to bed here.

HeidiHeidi · 22-09-2013 6:59pm

Presume this is due to start at 9pm again?

Same time as Downton..... can I really watch a period soap opera and 21st century multihill racing at the same time

errlloyd · 22-09-2013 7:09pm

miss no stars wrote: »

Who of them are unfit?

I wasn't talking about physical exertion. I was referring to size and strength issues. Out of the 11 on board, only 4 are not grinders. Is the ratio of male to female pro sailors less than 4:1? If not then I see no issues.

While there has been sexism in the past, this cup is really down to ability of those on board the boats. They even scrapped the guest racer. Tradition has been put to bed here.

Ah like the lads aren't grinding aren't exactly world besting powerhouses, it's not being strong that gets Tom Slingsby on the boat. - I fully believe a female could have his skillset.

I don't belive there is specific sexism in the Americas cup, not any worse than in sport in general. But sailing is a conservative sport - it's not just true for women, Maori sailors have the perfect physique for grinding, and make up half of new Zealand population. There are none on the boat though.

neris · 22-09-2013 9:02pm

errlloyd wrote: »

Ah like the lads aren't grinding aren't exactly world besting powerhouses, it's not being strong that gets Tom Slingsby on the boat. - I fully believe a female could have his skillset.

I don't belive there is specific sexism in the Americas cup, not any worse than in sport in general. But sailing is a conservative sport - it's not just true for women, Maori sailors have the perfect physique for grinding, and make up half of new Zealand population. There are none on the boat though.

Sailing is a white mans sport which is very very slowly changing its attitudes on race and sex. For a country with a diverse ethnic culture now when has anyone seen a black person on a boat racing in ireland, the olympics or any pro round the world race? The chinese and arabs that were on the last volvo were there as sponsors people and not for their skill. Ive only ever seen one black guy racing in dublin but since i started sailing alot more women and girls are getting involved in big boats are taking an interest in sailing

miss no stars · 22-09-2013 9:13pm

Right, here's hoping the kiwis can finish this!

Inquitus · 22-09-2013 9:14pm

Go Oracle, I am enjoying this, more of the same and then the Kiwis to win the final race in a week.

miss no stars · 22-09-2013 9:21pm

Life must be frustrating on ETNZ... Oracle have seriously come back from the dead

miss no stars · 22-09-2013 9:39pm

Oracle have serious boatspeed. If they can repeat this a few times...

HeidiHeidi · 22-09-2013 9:50pm

This could go on all week :eek:

That finish shot is terrifying - if the helmsman got a little bit distracted......

miss no stars · 22-09-2013 9:52pm

yeah, NZ need to get the finger out. That gybe in the middle of the 4th leg though... what were they at? They could have had a 200m lead out of that!

HeidiHeidi · 22-09-2013 9:55pm

miss no stars wrote: »

yeah, NZ need to get the finger out. That gybe in the middle of the 4th leg though... what were they at? They could have had a 200m lead out of that!

I know.... even at the time i wondered what they were at, but the replay shows the madness of it. That's where they lost the race. Slap on the hand for the tactician!

Must do better this time.

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