Oasis

Android 666 · 22-11-2010 10:58am

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

Now your taking out your use of the word intelligent thus rendering the whole discussion on intelligent pointless.

Because you were equating the word intelligent with the word pretentious I thought it better to use the word interesting as I thought it's meaning might not be so loaded for you.

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

"You see, I have listened to their back catalogue... Again, I never claimed to have listened to every Oasis song." Which is it there fella? I'm sure you can now see why I feel there is a gap in your story!

I have heard a fair bit of their first two albums, heard a sprinking of songs after that and I bought the last album. I gave them more time than I would normally give to a lot of bands because I was trying to figure out what people saw in them.

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

Again, I would have to seriously question the logic of someone who claims that Oasis have "one or two okay songs" in the previous 14 years and yet you would go out and buy their new album based on another "decent" song in The Shock of the Lightning!

Why do you have to seriously question it? I'll let you in on a little secret. CDs aren't very expensive. I bought an album on a whim because I thought a song sounded half decent and I was willing to give the album a try. I didn't like it. Seriously, what is hard to figure out about that?

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

Your interest in Oasis is quite bizarre; I don't like Westlife and as such I don't sit "on the bog" reading articles about them. If you think Oasis' music is a pile of "old tat" then maybe you should stop listening to them! Quite simple really!!

This is a discussion about why Oasis are the best. I'm taking the opposing viewpoint. If people said 'Oasis are my favourite band' instead of the usual 'Oasis are the best band in the world' I'd have less of a problem with that. Like I'll usually read an article on music that's lying around the house and when I was buying the likes of Uncut or Mojo I'd usually read them cover to cover - great bog reading.

Android 666 · 22-11-2010 11:10am

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

You can "be ****"? What the fudge does that even mean? Surely whether an artist makes good or bad music (in the sense that it is nice to listen to) is down to each individual listener and not down to you, Lord Android?!

I know you have a bit of inferiority complex but there's no need to call me Lord. It makes me feel a wee bit uncomfortable, that sort of hero worship.

Obviously it is based on taste in music. All of this argument is based on musical taste. I never said you shouldn't like Oasis did I? If that's what floats your boat that's great. What galls me is the greatest band in the world ever schtick that a lot of Oasis fans use.

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

I more listen to music for the actual music as opposed the lyrics. "River cool's where I belong... we'll set sail again, we're heading for he Spanish main... cut the kids in half." Hardly awe inspiring lyrics but still 3 of my favourite songs. Anyone can find meaning in lyrics if they want, even if Noel didn't intend their to be any meaning in them!

You see I like a song to have the overall package. Good music and good lyrics and I'm in heaven.

BTW, River cool is a play on Liverpool so I think that's a nice lyrical twist. Can't see anything wrong about setting sail to the Spanish mainland and the Radiohead song is about divorce, that's what the cut the kids in half is a reference to.

Live4Ever · 22-11-2010 5:03pm

Android 666 wrote: »

I have heard a fair bit of their first two albums, heard a sprinking of songs after that and I bought the last album. I gave them more time than I would normally give to a lot of bands because I was trying to figure out what people saw in them.

Yes, you are taking the opposing side, and no-one has a problem with that, its the whole ethos of debate. Especially with Oasis, as I said earlier you eithe love 'em or hate 'em. You hate 'em.

For the record, did you like what you heard on the first two albums?

You see, you havent listened to the back catalogue barr a 'sprinkling" of tunes.

As far as Oasis being a pop group goes: I listened to an audiobook with LG last night. "We're not part of a scene. We don't want to be in a scene and we are not pop. We're just a group of normal lads from Manchester in a band playing rock music."

Kold · 22-11-2010 5:07pm

Live4Ever wrote: »

Yes, you are taking the opposing side, and no-one has a problem with that, its the whole ethos of debate. Especially with Oasis, as I said earlier you eithe love 'em or hate 'em. You hate 'em.

3rd side reporting in, I'm fairly indifferent to them.

lordgoat · 22-11-2010 5:14pm

Live4Ever wrote: »

As far as Oasis being a pop group goes: I listened to an audiobook with LG last night. "We're not part of a scene. We don't want to be in a scene and we are not pop. We're just a group of normal lads from Manchester in a band playing rock music."

No no, they are definitely not playing rock music. There is nothing rock about them. They are pop, good pop? arguably but pop no doubt about it, sales and charts back that up - which is what has always defined and will always define pop music. And they were def part of a scene, i believe you may have heard of it, britpop.

As i said there's nothing wrong with this.

Live4Ever · 22-11-2010 5:19pm

lordgoat wrote: »

No no, they are definitely not playing rock music. There is nothing rock about them. They are pop, good pop? arguably but pop no doubt about it, sales and charts back that up - which is what has always defined and will always define pop music. And they were def part of a scene, i believe you may have heard of it, britpop.

As i said there's nothing wrong with this.

I guess my view of pop music would be Robbie Williams, Kylie, Cheryl Cole, Westlfe etc.

I would have Oasis and Blur who were the pioneers of britpop as rock bands?? Maybe i am taking the the "pop" in Britpop too literally...

Live4Ever · 22-11-2010 5:23pm

Kold wrote: »

3rd side reporting in, I'm fairly indifferent to them.

Would it be fair to say you're in the "I like Wonderwall, Dont Look Back in Anger, She's Electric, Champagne Supernova, and Live Forever but after that I couldn't be arsed" category?

Kold · 22-11-2010 6:43pm

Live4Ever wrote: »

Would it be fair to say you're in the "I like Wonderwall, Dont Look Back in Anger, She's Electric, Champagne Supernova, and Live Forever but after that I couldn't be arsed" category?

No, F*cking in the bushes is probably my favourite track.

lordgoat · 22-11-2010 6:53pm

Live4Ever wrote: »

I guess my view of pop music would be Robbie Williams, Kylie, Cheryl Cole, Westlfe etc.

I would have Oasis and Blur who were the pioneers of britpop as rock bands?? Maybe i am the the "pop" in Britpop too literally...

Yep they would be pop. Pop music is what's on top of the pops, what's in the charts on the radio, popular music. Now there are some crossovers but artists that consistently chart well in the singles in my eyes are pop acts. I'd file KOL as pop too for that reason.

I wasn't talking about the pop in britpop, i was merely saying britpop was a scene that oasis were part of.

super_furry · 22-11-2010 10:15pm

Live4Ever wrote: »

The Oasis cover of I am the Walrus and Helter Skelter are equal to The Beatles versions.

Ah get the boat. I know you're a massive fan and what-not, but you're talking absolute rubbish there.

Hannibal · 22-11-2010 10:44pm

this thread shows that there's people that love Oasis and there's people that hate them. They divide opinion unlike say Coldplay and U2 who most people just think are alright but very few people love them. Oasis are the biggest band around since their arrival in 1994, and on the back of their success countless guitar bands followed on their crest and they inspired people to pick up a guitar and made playing a guitar cool again. What no one can deny is the impact they made from their debut album on, and last summer (2009) they sold 1.5m tickets for gigs in Ireland and the UK and they were a top draw act and couldve easily became a modern day Rolling Stones selling out stadiums the world over for how long as they want. Of course there's musical snobs on here that suggest Radiohead can hold a torch to them, its ridiculous to even suggest it.

ball ox · 22-11-2010 11:07pm

Dotsey wrote: »

this thread shows that there's people that love Oasis and there's people that hate them.

I don't think anyone on here has said they hate Oasis. I certainly don't hate them. It's their fans and the "best band in the world mentality" that a lot of them seem to push that is the problem. Look at the thread title for Christs sake....
In fairness, anyone who claims something as subjective as a type of music to be "the best in the world" is an idiot.

Live4Ever · 22-11-2010 11:11pm

super_furry wrote: »

Ah get the boat. I know you're a massive fan and what-not, but you're talking absolute rubbish there.

Okay okay. Maybe not equal BUT they did do it justice. When you hear other covers, or even the x factor at the weekend you cringe. The Oasis cover of both tunes is mega. If you are unfamiliar with them, YouTube it!

Live4Ever · 22-11-2010 11:16pm

ball ox wrote: »

I don't think anyone on here has said they hate Oasis. I certainly don't hate them. It's their fans and the "best band in the world mentality" that a lot of them seem to push that is the problem. Look at the thread title for Christs sake....
In fairness, anyone who claims something as subjective as a type of music to be "the best in the world" is an idiot.

Well maybe when someone hears a song / or the work of a band or artist and sit back and say "wow that was unreal" they are entitled to believe and proclaim that said tune or band are the best in the world. Oasis are the best, in my opinion. Who do you think is the best band in the world???

ball ox · 22-11-2010 11:26pm

I like plenty of bands but I would not proclaim any of them to be the best in the world. Music is subjective, you can't rank it. And if you do that's only your own opinion, which you are of course entitled to.

JerryHandbag · 23-11-2010 12:09am

Kold wrote: »

No, F*cking in the bushes is probably my favourite track.

Love that track. That was probably Oasis at their most experimental and I wish we saw more of that.

Kold · 23-11-2010 12:30am

Dotsey wrote: »

Of course there's musical snobs on here that suggest Radiohead can hold a torch to them, its ridiculous to even suggest it.

*twitch*

Oasis_Dublin · 23-11-2010 12:32am

Android 666 wrote: »

Because you were equating the word intelligent with the word pretentious I thought it better to use the word interesting as I thought it's meaning might not be so loaded for you.

I have heard a fair bit of their first two albums, heard a sprinking of songs after that and I bought the last album. I gave them more time than I would normally give to a lot of bands because I was trying to figure out what people saw in them.

Why do you have to seriously question it? I'll let you in on a little secret. CDs aren't very expensive. I bought an album on a whim because I thought a song sounded half decent and I was willing to give the album a try. I didn't like it. Seriously, what is hard to figure out about that?

This is a discussion about why Oasis are the best. I'm taking the opposing viewpoint. If people said 'Oasis are my favourite band' instead of the usual 'Oasis are the best band in the world' I'd have less of a problem with that. Like I'll usually read an article on music that's lying around the house and when I was buying the likes of Uncut or Mojo I'd usually read them cover to cover - great bog reading.

Haha, oh dear Lord! Don't attempt to lump intelligent and interesting together and brush them aside as though they have the same meaning! Come on, I know it's an internet forum, but let's at least try to have some sort of coherence about our discussion! To describe music as intelligent is pretentious, there are no two ways about it. I don't necessarily mean that in a bad light. I'd be the first to admit that I don't give many groups (ie people who dress in suits, who don't write their own music and generally attract screaming 8 year old girls into their fanbase) much of a chance because I feel music written by bands is of a far better quality or that it is likely to be far more important to me.

That isn't really listening "to their back catalogue" now is it. Granted, it's more of a chance than some might give them but it doesn't really give you a right to claim that you've listened to their back catalogue.

I can't really break it down further than this, "it's pretty stupid to buy music if you don't like the music you have heard from the band." It's the main reason why Greenday and My Chemical Romance don't appear in my CD collection.

Let's just agree that I like Oasis and you don't like them and call it a night there.

23-11-2010 12:37am

super_furry wrote: »

Ah get the boat. I know you're a massive fan and what-not, but you're talking absolute rubbish there.

whatever about helter skelter, meh. but the cover of I am the Walrus off the top of my head is probably my favourite ever cover and I would even go as far to say I prefer it to the original.

Dudess · 23-11-2010 12:37am

I liked Oasis up to 1997 (and still like a lot of their earlier songs) - then I went off them as they started to sound samey.
It gets on my fucking tits when it's said people dislike Oasis because they're successful and it's only because of musical snobbery. Or when people demand that those who don't like them write a song/form a successful band. Oasis fans in particular really seem to propagate that kind of tripe, whatever it is about that band. How about... some people just don't like their music? In the same way that I'm sure Oasis fans dislike certain acts - but that's ok of course.

Oh and successful isn't always = good.

Oasis_Dublin · 23-11-2010 12:39am

Android 666 wrote: »

I know you have a bit of inferiority complex but there's no need to call me Lord. It makes me feel a wee bit uncomfortable, that sort of hero worship.

Obviously it is based on taste in music. All of this argument is based on musical taste. I never said you shouldn't like Oasis did I? If that's what floats your boat that's great. What galls me is the greatest band in the world ever schtick that a lot of Oasis fans use.

You see I like a song to have the overall package. Good music and good lyrics and I'm in heaven.

BTW, River cool is a play on Liverpool so I think that's a nice lyrical twist. Can't see anything wrong about setting sail to the Spanish mainland and the Radiohead song is about divorce, that's what the cut the kids in half is a reference to.

Ha, that must be it yeah!

I understand what "Mersey Paradise" is about. The lyrics just don't overly speak to me, I've never been to Liverpool, I never said there was anything wrong with sailing to Spain but I've never been and I've never been divorced (although I've read that that particular lyric was some sort of lame biblical reference). Give me examples that have the "overall package", that really speak to you on a lyrical level as well as being musically fantastic.

Oasis_Dublin · 23-11-2010 12:51am

lordgoat wrote: »

Yep they would be pop. Pop music is what's on top of the pops, what's in the charts on the radio, popular music. Now there are some crossovers but artists that consistently chart well in the singles in my eyes are pop acts. I'd file KOL as pop too for that reason.

I wasn't talking about the pop in britpop, i was merely saying britpop was a scene that oasis were part of.

I'm interested to know what bands you consider to be 'crossover' bands? Once a rock band becomes popular, do they stay pop and never go back to becoming rock? What if a pop band becomes unpopular again, can they be considered rock?

Scenes are also a tricky subject. I don't think Oasis signed up into Britpop. I think NME and MOJO needed to sell more copies and they perpetuated this battle of Britpop malarky. Oasis were bigger than Britpop (awaits "Oasis fans are ignorant d*ckh**ds" type slatings!)

Android 666 · 23-11-2010 1:01am

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

Ha, that must be it yeah!

I understand what "Mersey Paradise" is about. The lyrics just don't overly speak to me, I've never been to Liverpool, I never said there was anything wrong with sailing to Spain but I've never been and I've never been divorced (although I've read that that particular lyric was some sort of lame biblical reference). Give me examples that have the "overall package", that really speak to you on a lyrical level as well as being musically fantastic.

LCD Soundsystem
The Shins (cryptic but highly evocative)
Ealy to Mid Period REM
Dust by the Screaming Trees
Wilco
The Fall
And plenty of others that its too late to think about now...

Android 666 · 23-11-2010 1:05am

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

Haha, oh dear Lord! Don't attempt to lump intelligent and interesting together and brush them aside as though they have the same meaning! Come on, I know it's an internet forum, but let's at least try to have some sort of coherence about our discussion! To describe music as intelligent is pretentious, there are no two ways about it. I don't necessarily mean that in a bad light. I'd be the first to admit that I don't give many groups (ie people who dress in suits, who don't write their own music and generally attract screaming 8 year old girls into their fanbase) much of a chance because I feel music written by bands is of a far better quality or that it is likely to be far more important to me.

That isn't really listening "to their back catalogue" now is it. Granted, it's more of a chance than some might give them but it doesn't really give you a right to claim that you've listened to their back catalogue.

I can't really break it down further than this, "it's pretty stupid to buy music if you don't like the music you have heard from the band." It's the main reason why Greenday and My Chemical Romance don't appear in my CD collection.

Let's just agree that I like Oasis and you don't like them and call it a night there.

I think it is time to call it a day because you are getting into the most inane debate about semantics and it really isn't worth the bother. Tbh, I repeated myself and tried to clarify myself enough times to know you're not really taking in anything I've written so I'll leave you to it.

Oasis_Dublin · 23-11-2010 1:08am

Android 666 wrote: »

I think it is time to call it a day because you are getting into the most inane debate about semantics and it really isn't worth the bother. Tbh, I repeated myself and tried to clarify myself enough times to know you're not really taking in anything I've written so I'll leave you to it.

Not taking it in?! I'm paying attention to what you're saying but your argument changes with every post. Goodluck to you

Oasis_Dublin · 23-11-2010 1:09am

Android 666 wrote: »

LCD Soundsystem
The Shins (cryptic but highly evocative)
Ealy to Mid Period REM
Dust by the Screaming Trees
Wilco
The Fall
And plenty of others that its too late to think about now...

Ah you're a Wilco/LCD Soundsystem fan. It suddenly all makes sense.

Android 666 · 23-11-2010 1:11am

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

Ah you're a Wilco/LCD Soundsystem fan. It suddenly all makes sense.

What, because they're good?

lordgoat · 23-11-2010 1:13am

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

I'm interested to know what bands you consider to be 'crossover' bands? Once a rock band becomes popular, do they stay pop and never go back to becoming rock? What if a pop band becomes unpopular again, can they be considered rock?

Scenes are also a tricky subject. I don't think Oasis signed up into Britpop. I think NME and MOJO needed to sell more copies and they perpetuated this battle of Britpop malarky. Oasis were bigger than Britpop (awaits "Oasis fans are ignorant d*ckh**ds" type slatings!)

What i meant by crossovers is that some non pop bands will have a great pop tune or two and then go back to what they normally do. Outkast springs to mind Hey Ya massive pop hit, not there normal output.

KOL had they continued with the type of music on their first two albums wouldn't have the success they have now so their change of output means they are ones of the biggest pop acts out there.

As for britpop, course it was a scene, just like punk, and mods Vs rockers just not really as cool as them! But i do think it was important for the 90's.

Oasis_Dublin · 23-11-2010 1:15am

Android 666 wrote: »

What, because they're good?

I just know Wilco and LCD Soundsystem fans (who coincidently dislike Oasis profusely!)

Android 666 · 23-11-2010 1:18am

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

I just know Wilco and LCD Soundsystem fans (who coincidently dislike Oasis profusely!)

Yes, that's it. We're all part of a tribe. We hold secret anti-Oasis meetings and burn effigys of the Gallagher brothers at midnight under the full moon. Darn it, you caught me out!

Oasis_Dublin · 23-11-2010 1:21am

lordgoat wrote: »

What i meant by crossovers is that some non pop bands will have a great pop tune or two and then go back to what they normally do. Outkast springs to mind Hey Ya massive pop hit, not there normal output.

KOL had they continued with the type of music on their first two albums wouldn't have the success they have now so their change of output means they are ones of the biggest pop acts out there.

As for britpop, course it was a scene, just like punk, and mods Vs rockers just not really as cool as them! But i do think it was important for the 90's.

But when a band is recording a song, they can't guarantee it is going to be pop(ular). If it was that easy, everyone would do it. I also don't think that you can say all Oasis songs sound the same so it's unfair to airbrush them all as pop songs.

Oasis came onto the music scene and were popular. They were never unpopular as such. I would certainly consider them a rock band (or a poprock band).

I never said britpop wasn't a scene! I simply said that Oasis never came and started claiming to be starting a britpop movement and long after Britpop died, they were releasing albums and touring the world. The same could not be said of punk bands like the Sex Pistols!

Oasis_Dublin · 23-11-2010 1:23am

Android 666 wrote: »

Yes, that's it. We're all part of a tribe. We hold secret anti-Oasis meetings and burn effigys of the Gallagher brothers at midnight under the full moon. Darn it, you caught me out!

I knew it! Bound to happen when Oasis "r da bst fkn bnd in da wrld tho"

ricero · 23-11-2010 3:13am

Oasis are ****ing rock n roll man. Pop to me means 5 lads in vests singing about virgins. Oasis biggest band of the last 20 years can we all agree with this and move on I'm talking to you android man

Irish Guitarist · 23-11-2010 6:40am

They had their moments, namely when Noel sang and didn't let any of the others write songs.

I find it hard to stomach looking at Liam Gallagher. He can't get through a song live without strutting around like an ape, changing the original lyrics to swear words, hawking up a big phlegmy spit and challenging someone in the audience to a fight.

gustavo · 23-11-2010 11:08am

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

I just know Wilco and LCD Soundsystem fans (who coincidently dislike Oasis profusely!)

I'm a fan of LCD Soundsystem and Oasis

Live4Ever · 23-11-2010 12:03pm

lordgoat wrote: »

As for britpop, course it was a scene, just like punk, and mods Vs rockers just not really as cool as them! But i do think it was important for the 90's.

I agree with Oasis_Dublin, and like I previously stated Oasis did not sign up for Britpop. They were declared Britpop by NME etc. The whole Britpop "scene" was in London. Oasis are from Manchester.

I can see your point about pop(ular) music genres though. Mybe you're being a bit too PC? I mean it's fair to say all of us talking here are music fans and enjoy good tunes. With that in mind I think its fair to say that our view of pop is Westlife, Robbie Williams etc and Oasis and KOL are rockbands even though their music is widely popular.

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

They had their moments, namely when Noel sang and didn't let any of the others write songs.

I find it hard to stomach looking at Liam Gallagher. He can't get through a song live without strutting around like an ape, changing the original lyrics to swear words, hawking up a big phlegmy spit and challenging someone in the audience to a fight.

Liam wrote Songbird and I'm Outta Time, I'd consider them quality tunes?

Don't knock his style man. He is well known for his singing posture. Yeah challenging, he'd never go through with it. Liam Gallagher ACTS the hardman but realistically he is a softee.

Live4Ever · 23-11-2010 12:08pm

Dudess wrote: »

Or when people demand that those who don't like them write a song/form a successful band. Oasis fans in particular really seem to propagate that kind of tripe, whatever it is about that band.

Nobody here on the Oasis side of the debate told people to F off and write a better tune / or start a better band, that is so of point man.....

.... but no ones stopping you writing a tune and posting her up and we can compare it with Oasis.

Oasis_Dublin · 23-11-2010 2:07pm

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

They had their moments, namely when Noel sang and didn't let any of the others write songs.

I find it hard to stomach looking at Liam Gallagher. He can't get through a song live without strutting around like an ape, changing the original lyrics to swear words, hawking up a big phlegmy spit and challenging someone in the audience to a fight.

Haha. This is plainly not true... but sure what would I know? I've only seen them live 3 times!

Kold · 23-11-2010 2:08pm

Oasis are dull and so are their biggest fans.

ricero · 23-11-2010 2:22pm

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

They had their moments, namely when Noel sang and didn't let any of the others write songs.

I find it hard to stomach looking at Liam Gallagher. He can't get through a song live without strutting around like an ape, changing the original lyrics to swear words, hawking up a big phlegmy spit and challenging someone in the audience to a fight.

i think the last time he had a pop at an audience member was 2 years ago in london and i dont blame him if someone threw a coin at me id be pissed off. hes a rock star best frontman ever he can do what he ****ing wants in my eyes

Live4Ever · 23-11-2010 2:50pm

ricero wrote: »

hes a rock star best frontman ever he can do what he ****ing wants in my eyes

YES! +1

Hannibal · 23-11-2010 3:56pm

ball ox wrote: »

I don't think anyone on here has said they hate Oasis. I certainly don't hate them. It's their fans and the "best band in the world mentality" that a lot of them seem to push that is the problem. Look at the thread title for Christs sake....
In fairness, anyone who claims something as subjective as a type of music to be "the best in the world" is an idiot.

listen I dont disagree with you, but we all live in Ireland and our media have constantly told us for years that U2 are the biggest and best band in the world. The point being that us Oasis fans have the opinion that Oasis are better than U2 are obviously going to defend them. Being the best in music is about opinion, album/single sales are unreliable but I think Oasis's influence over guitar music in undeniable and thats whats important.

lordgoat · 23-11-2010 4:36pm

Live4Ever wrote: »

I agree with Oasis_Dublin, and like I previously stated Oasis did not sign up for Britpop. They were declared Britpop by NME etc. The whole Britpop "scene" was in London. Oasis are from Manchester.

I can see your point about pop(ular) music genres though. Mybe you're being a bit too PC? I mean it's fair to say all of us talking here are music fans and enjoy good tunes. With that in mind I think its fair to say that our view of pop is Westlife, Robbie Williams etc and Oasis and KOL are rockbands even though their music is widely popular.

See i can't agree with Oasis being a rock band, rock for me is ACDC, Maiden, Hell even Smashing Pumpkins...

Pop is anything that's in the charts. Pop is the easiest genre to define out there as it's what is generally liked by the masses.

I generally dislike music genres at the best of times but what can ya do!

I have a pet hate for people that don't view pop as a proper genre and view it as something to be ridiculed. (not aimed at you). I think writing a good pop song is not an easy task and while i wouldn't listen to any of the acts you've named you can't deny that they are very good at it.

I'm gonna leave it at that now, as i think it's just about to start going around in circles! You like it, enjoy it!

Live4Ever · 23-11-2010 4:44pm

lordgoat wrote: »

See i can't agree with Oasis being a rock band, rock for me is ACDC, Maiden, Hell even Smashing Pumpkins...

Pop is anything that's in the charts. Pop is the easiest genre to define out there as it's what is generally liked by the masses.

I generally dislike music genres at the best of times but what can ya do!

I have a pet hate for people that don't view pop as a proper genre and view it as something to be ridiculed. (not aimed at you). I think writing a good pop song is not an easy task and while i wouldn't listen to any of the acts you've named you can't deny that they are very good at it.

I'm gonna leave it at that now, as i think it's just about to start going around in circles! You like it, enjoy it!

That's cool lordgoat, yeah ACDC etc are proper rock alright..

I agree with almost everything you've said there mate.

I think what we both mean is "Oasis, pop music by definition only."

Morninglory · 24-11-2010 1:12am

Certainly the best band who produce quality B sides. Ive listened to quite a few bands b sides and nothing compares to Oasis in that regard. My favourite band from the last 20 years and I wait in excitement for Noel Gallaghers solo album next year. I was told in London recently that he has been holding back songs since 2000 for his own solo album. Cant fecking wait!

Oasis_Dublin · 24-11-2010 2:24am

lordgoat wrote: »

See i can't agree with Oasis being a rock band, rock for me is ACDC, Maiden, Hell even Smashing Pumpkins...

Pop is anything that's in the charts. Pop is the easiest genre to define out there as it's what is generally liked by the masses.

I generally dislike music genres at the best of times but what can ya do!

I have a pet hate for people that don't view pop as a proper genre and view it as something to be ridiculed. (not aimed at you). I think writing a good pop song is not an easy task and while i wouldn't listen to any of the acts you've named you can't deny that they are very good at it.

I'm gonna leave it at that now, as i think it's just about to start going around in circles! You like it, enjoy it!

ACDC have sold over 100 million albums, twice as much as Oasis! They are the pop to Oasis' rock by your logic

lordgoat · 24-11-2010 2:31am

Oasis_Dublin wrote: »

ACDC have sold over 100 million albums, twice as much as Oasis! They are the pop to Oasis' rock by your logic

No. Either you don't understand the concept or you are ignoring it.

How many number one singles have they had from their albums when they were released first? I can think of 2 (i think).

JS Bach has sold a fair few records as well.

Bubs101 · 24-11-2010 9:16am

lordgoat wrote: »

See i can't agree with Oasis being a rock band, rock for me is ACDC, Maiden, Hell even Smashing Pumpkins...

Pop is anything that's in the charts. Pop is the easiest genre to define out there as it's what is generally liked by the masses.

I generally dislike music genres at the best of times but what can ya do!

I have a pet hate for people that don't view pop as a proper genre and view it as something to be ridiculed. (not aimed at you). I think writing a good pop song is not an easy task and while i wouldn't listen to any of the acts you've named you can't deny that they are very good at it.

I'm gonna leave it at that now, as i think it's just about to start going around in circles! You like it, enjoy it!

So Back in Black, one of the biggest selling albums of all time is a pop album;)

Live4Ever · 24-11-2010 10:26am

Morninglory wrote: »

Certainly the best band who produce quality B sides. Ive listened to quite a few bands b sides and nothing compares to Oasis in that regard. My favourite band from the last 20 years and I wait in excitement for Noel Gallaghers solo album next year. I was told in London recently that he has been holding back songs since 2000 for his own solo album. Cant fecking wait!

Hit the nail on the head their mate - sure The Masterplan is B-Side compliation album. :eek:

Boneheads Bank Holiday - Classic Oasis B-Side

stovelid · 24-11-2010 10:44am

I think once you've heard the first two albums (which I loved) you've heard it all. Oasis kinda summed up the spirit of those times and it was about a certain attitude and sound but not something that lends itself to innovation and change.

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