Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

irishbucsfan · 30-05-2020 10:49am

How long was Hugh Farrelly working for the Indo?

Conor George was there as well wasn’t he? Before he made an absolute tit of himself...

Caranica · 30-05-2020 11:22am

Faugheen wrote: »

Of all the things, the Indo bit in brackets is the most baffling. They are a major sponsor of Munster’s yet you think they have this agenda against them?

But they absolutely do. Going back a few years too, most people I know refuse the bag and the paper when they buy a programme at a match.

irishbucsfan · 30-05-2020 11:40am

Caranica wrote: »

But they absolutely do. Going back a few years too, most people I know refuse the bag and the paper when they buy a programme at a match.

Why would they have hired rabid Munster fans as writers if they had some agenda against Munster?

Unless they have an agenda but are also hopelessly incapable of executing it

Former Former · 30-05-2020 11:48am

thomond2006 wrote: »

Criticism of Munster sells.

Slavish devotion too. Like, this is the paper that has Cian Tracey and Billy Keane on staff.

Is it possible that they just cover the stories, good and bad, but people only get worked up about the negative?

aloooof · 30-05-2020 12:06pm

I think typically it comes down to the journalist rather than the paper, tbh. For example, I'd actively avoid articles by Ewan or Cummiskey. That's on all issues, not just Munster.

thomond2006 · 30-05-2020 12:06pm

Former Former wrote: »

Slavish devotion too. Like, this is the paper that has Cian Tracey and Billy Keane on staff.

Is it possible that they just cover the stories, good and bad, but people only get worked up about the negative?

I hear you, yet you also have the likes of Cummiskey focusing on Munster's problems re Covid, as if the other provinces aren't in bother also.

Munster in the headline sells, positive or negative I guess.

Eod100 · 30-05-2020 12:24pm

Former Former wrote: »

Slavish devotion too. Like, this is the paper that has Cian Tracey and Billy Keane on staff.

Is it possible that they just cover the stories, good and bad, but people only get worked up about the negative?

I guess these articles may be promoted more by media organisation and then picked up on social media. There's a currency in getting clicks and views from people who see articles negatively. Then writers might skew their views to that so guess it feeds off each other.

shootermacg · 30-05-2020 12:35pm

You'd have to wonder, what is the point of writing news when a desired outcome dictates the story. Fake news?

Caranica · 30-05-2020 12:36pm

The attacks on Grobler were disgusting and they've gone after CJ and Kleyn too.

CatFromHue · 30-05-2020 12:48pm

I don't think they went after CJ and Kleyn unfairly. The project player rule is an issue for lots of people, me included. 3 years was far too short.

Also Michael Bent got a bit of a doing and he's been Irish qualified his whole life. It just happened that the week he arrived in Ireland was the same week all the other Irish THs were injured.

As for Grobler it did turn into a bit of a feeding frenzy, those things in general do though. You can't be as virtuous in what you say, like what Munster and the IRFU say, on drugs and expect nothing when you hire a guy a served a drugs ban.

Panda Killa · 30-05-2020 12:56pm

CatFromHue wrote: »

I don't think they went after CJ and Kleyn unfairly. The project player rule is an issue for lots of people, me included. 3 years was far too short.

Also Michael Bent got a bit of a doing and he's been Irish qualified his whole life. It just happened that the week he arrived in Ireland was the same week all the other Irish THs were injured.

As for Grobler it did turn into a bit of a feeding frenzy, those things in general do though. You can't be as virtuous in what you say, like what Munster and the IRFU say, on drugs and expect nothing when you hire a guy a served a drugs ban.

And yet James Lowe is hailed as the new messiah....it's double standards, anyone saying otherwise is having a laugh

Caranica · 30-05-2020 1:00pm

The project player rule exists globally. Unions use it. It's not fair to attack players who play by the rules.

Grobler is on the record as saying the media drove him out of Munster. The Indo and Newstalk were the key bullies.

Kirk Van Houten · 30-05-2020 1:06pm

The Bindo journalists and sub editors look for click bait due to their model. The requirement is for as many hits as possible to drive as revenue. They want your rage clicks so angle the writing and headlines to match. The problem is that while it may draw attention in the long run it drives customers away.
As for Cummoski - he's a Leinster fan through and through but because he writes for "the paper of record" we expect/believe/assume be will take a neutral stance. Once you understand that part it easier to see his angle and ignore.
For example he reckons Munster are in trouble due to the 10 year tickets. Those tickets were sold back in 2017. He mentions that the 100k repayment is a problem yet its merely an accounting reclassification between two parts of the same organisation in financial terms. What is failed to mention in that report is that Leinster have higher season ticket sales, lower capacity and have to rent their ground for all games.

CatFromHue · 30-05-2020 1:32pm

Panda Killa wrote: »

And yet James Lowe is hailed as the new messiah....it's double standards, anyone saying otherwise is having a laugh

Lowe is a good point but I don't think he's been hailed by as the new messiah. Certainly not by the media anyway. He has been mentioned in in the same bracket as other project players, he just hasn't been the headline. He also hasn't played for Ireland yet.

I don't think there's a double standard as Michael Bent got a pile of heat and he was Irish qualified. Aki was questioned too.

Buer · 30-05-2020 1:48pm

I always have a wry smile at the D4, anti-Munster media take. Has anyone actually ever checked who has sits/sat on the Munster board?

Leslie Buckley and Dee Forbes are probably names known to a few people...

Former Former · 30-05-2020 2:04pm

It's funny, the Munster fans think their project player got a raw deal.

And so do the Connacht fans.

And so do the Ulster fans.

And I'm sure the same articles will be written about Lowe when he qualifies, if he gets a cap. If you think Leinster get an easy ride, Google Michael Bent.

There's no conspiracy, just biased perception of different fans.

For example, there was a 24 page pullout in the Sunday Times last weekend about the European Cup. I'd say probably half of it was about how great Munster 2000 - 2008 were. I didn't see a single mention of it on boards.ie.

Why not?

Because people LOVE the negative articles. They want to show what awesome fans they are by rushing to their club's defence. They want to rally around their player and feel part of things. Fair enough, just human nature. Maybe it helps people feel like their club would do better if only they got a fair shake.

Shefwedfan · 30-05-2020 2:40pm

Buer wrote: »

I always have a wry smile at the D4, anti-Munster media take. Has anyone actually ever checked who has sits/sat on the Munster board?

Leslie Buckley and Dee Forbes are probably names known to a few people...

Have you ever listened to the RTE rugby podcasts? Wes Liddy and the boyo's. They would have Munster 1-15 in the Ireland team every week.

You also have a huge media presence from the Munster team of old who are clearly biased. The MoM award with Quinlan is a joke, it has to be a forward and it has to be from Munster.

Papers as well. Cant remember who but was doing review for Sunday paper after Japan game. POM was given MOM. No mention of him giving away penalties and nearly getting a yellow card.

You have to look long and hard for negative Munster articles.

thomond2006 · 30-05-2020 2:47pm

I'd read Cummiskey over Buer.

thomond2006 · 30-05-2020 2:50pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Have you ever listened to the RTE rugby podcasts? Wes Liddy and the boyo's. They would have Munster 1-15 in the Ireland team every week.

You also have a huge media presence from the Munster team of old who are clearly biased. The MoM award with Quinlan is a joke, it has to be a forward and it has to be from Munster.

Papers as well. Cant remember who but was doing review for Sunday paper after Japan game. POM was given MOM. No mention of him giving away penalties and nearly getting a yellow card.

You have to look long and hard for negative Munster articles.

Who needs to read articles for negativity on Munster when we have you Shef?

Shefwedfan · 30-05-2020 3:43pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

Who needs to read articles for negativity on Munster when we have you Shef?

Critical, not negative

Slight difference

Faugheen · 30-05-2020 3:46pm

I see victimhood isn’t just rooted to one person.

aloooof · 30-05-2020 4:05pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Critical, not negative

Slight difference

Critical of stuff that's true versus critical of stuff that's not true.

Mahoooosive difference.

I don't want to be having a go but you don't do yourself any favours sometimes, Shef. If you held your hands up and admitted when you got something wrong, you might attract less grief around here.

Buer · 30-05-2020 5:28pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

I'd read Cummiskey over Buer.

On the scale of hurtful comments, Thomond, that one came dangerously close to actually registering.

rayd3 · 30-05-2020 6:01pm

I wonder if CJ pissed on a member of the public in the off season would it attract more than a solitary newspaper column? How about Arno Botha knocking out Sean French on a night out, radio silence from Newstalk I’m sure. Of course CJ and Arno wouldn’t go in for that unlike some folks. The media bias is definitely all made up, wry smiles all round.

rayd3 · 30-05-2020 6:03pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

No mention of him giving away penalties and nearly getting a yellow card.

A flanker NEARLY got a yellow card?? Heaven forbid, somebody please think of the children.

Burkie1203 · 30-05-2020 6:09pm

rayd3 wrote: »

I wonder if CJ pissed on a member of the public in the off season would it attract more than a solitary newspaper column? How about Arno Botha knocking out Sean French on a night out, radio silence from Newstalk I’m sure. Of course CJ and Arno wouldn’t go in for that unlike some folks. The media bias is definitely all made up, wry smiles all round.

doug howlett?

Sure werent the munster forwards famed for throwing punches in training before big european games?

rayd3 · 30-05-2020 6:11pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

doug howlett?

Sure werent the munster forwards famed for throwing punches in training before big european games?

Youve had to do some serious mental gymnastics there to ignore most of the comment and come out talking about training bust ups. Fair play. Serious going.

Eod100 · 30-05-2020 6:17pm

Burkie1203 wrote: »

doug howlett?

Sure werent the munster forwards famed for throwing punches in training before big european games?

The car park thing before he came to Munster?That got plenty of coverage. For forwards yeah years ago and if its famous it means it was well known. Hardly comparable to someone getting assaulted on a night out tbf

Former Former · 30-05-2020 6:42pm

rayd3 wrote: »

I wonder if CJ pissed on a member of the public in the off season would it attract more than a solitary newspaper column? How about Arno Botha knocking out Sean French on a night out, radio silence from Newstalk I’m sure. Of course CJ and Arno wouldn’t go in for that unlike some folks. The media bias is definitely all made up, wry smiles all round.

See, if you think the Sean O'Brien incident only got a solitary column, then it's proof that the problem is in your head.

Burkie1203 · 30-05-2020 6:45pm

Eod100 wrote: »

The car park thing before he came to Munster?That got plenty of coverage. For forwards yeah years ago and if its famous it means it was well known. Hardly comparable to someone getting assaulted on a night out tbf

https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/howlett-in-drunk-and-disorderly-arrest-after-munster-team-party-26608852.html

Clegg · 30-05-2020 6:46pm

Not to mention Alan Quinlan getting a cushy national media job despite deliberately trying to blind an opposition player.

rayd3 · 30-05-2020 6:56pm

Inevitable reflexive whinge about Alan Quinlan being a meanie despite it being a total irrelevance to the discussion. Easy to spot when these guys haven’t a leg left to stand on.

Remember the famous munster training brawls, famous even though the guy is trying to argue they got no coverage. You really couldn’t make this stuff up.

Panda Killa · 30-05-2020 6:57pm

Buer wrote: »

On the scale of hurtful comments, Thomond, that one came dangerously close to actually registering.

Yeah, tbf.. you're not that bad...you remind me of a Yellow Pack George Hook

The Lost Sheep · 30-05-2020 7:14pm

Former Former wrote: »

Slavish devotion too. Like, this is the paper that has Cian Tracey and Billy Keane on staff.

Is it possible that they just cover the stories, good and bad, but people only get worked up about the negative?

Keane doesnt write too much on rugby and is a colour writer who writes as much about leinster as Munster. Hes Johnny Sextons godfather.

thomond2006 wrote: »

I hear you, yet you also have the likes of Cummiskey focusing on Munster's problems re Covid, as if the other provinces aren't in bother also.

Munster in the headline sells, positive or negative I guess.

but there is element of bias etc and some like cummiskey just seem to revel in writing poor Munster stories.

CatFromHue wrote: »

I don't think they went after CJ and Kleyn unfairly. The project player rule is an issue for lots of people, me included. 3 years was far too short.

Also Michael Bent got a bit of a doing and he's been Irish qualified his whole life. It just happened that the week he arrived in Ireland was the same week all the other Irish THs were injured.

As for Grobler it did turn into a bit of a feeding frenzy, those things in general do though. You can't be as virtuous in what you say, like what Munster and the IRFU say, on drugs and expect nothing when you hire a guy a served a drugs ban.

bent isnt fair comparison. Very few comments about Strauss, or others who've qualified while playing in blue.

CatFromHue · 30-05-2020 7:59pm

Neither were there many comments when Jared Payne, Andy Ward or Nathan White, who was playing for Connacht, got capped for Ireland.

The issue had been bubbling for awhile though and CJ got some, not very much it has to be said, of stick. I remember a few years back people on here were talking about a cap on the number of project players who could be in an Irish match day squad. That could have just been me saying it but that issue was there. Or making the residency period much longer.

Kleyn's story is different in that he got picked for the RWC ahead of a 70 cap Ireland player in Devin Toner.

Lowe has been asked directly already about the residency rule and qualifying for Ireland so it's not being ignored in his case, it's just he hasn't actually been capped yet.

jacothelad · 30-05-2020 8:35pm

Buer wrote: »

On the scale of hurtful comments, Thomond, that one came dangerously close to actually registering.

He's just annoyed because his John Hayes pyjamas don't fit him any more.....:D:D:D:D:D:D

Shefwedfan · 30-05-2020 8:41pm

aloooof wrote: »

Critical of stuff that's true versus critical of stuff that's not true.

Mahoooosive difference.

I don't want to be having a go but you don't do yourself any favours sometimes, Shef. If you held your hands up and admitted when you got something wrong, you might attract less grief around here.

You do realise it is boards, nobody ever puts hands up!!:P:P

jacothelad · 30-05-2020 8:45pm

CatFromHue wrote: »

Neither were there many comments when Jared Payne, Andy Ward or Nathan White, who was playing for Connacht, got capped for Ireland.

The issue had been bubbling for awhile though and CJ got some, not very much it has to be said, of stick. I remember a few years back people on here were talking about a cap on the number of project players who could be in an Irish match day squad. That could have just been me saying it but that issue was there. Or making the residency period much longer.

Kleyn's story is different in that he got picked for the RWC ahead of a 70 cap Ireland player in Devin Toner.

Lowe has been asked directly already about the residency rule and qualifying for Ireland so it's not being ignored in his case, it's just he hasn't actually been capped yet.

Andy Ward though is different to the others. He came to N.I. to be with his wife when the game was still amateur. He didn't come to play for Ireland.

aloooof · 30-05-2020 8:51pm

Shefwedfan wrote: »

You do realise it is boards, nobody ever puts hands up!!:P:P

More’s the pity.

Buer · 30-05-2020 11:05pm

Panda Killa wrote: »

Yeah, tbf.. you're not that bad...you remind me of a Yellow Pack George Hook

I can but dream.

CatFromHue · 30-05-2020 11:49pm

jacothelad wrote: »

Andy Ward though is different to the others. He came to N.I. to be with his wife when the game was still amateur. He didn't come to play for Ireland.

I know and he was great, I was a big fan.

Caranica · 03-06-2020 4:34pm

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theboss80 · 04-06-2020 10:02am

I suppose it will give a good sense to the committee what kind of numbers from existing ticket holders will renew regardless. Its a time when the club needs its supporter base more than ever so happily renewed just now myself. #SUAF

aloooof · 04-06-2020 12:32pm

Article with a few thoughts from Bryan Habana on Snyman and De Allende.

https://www.the42.ie/de-allende-snyman-munster-habana-5113821-Jun2020/

Specifically on De Allende:

“His ability to not only dominate the collision on attack and defence, but his passing – he’s probably one of the best passers I’ve ever seen in the game off both left and right.“

thomond2006 · 05-06-2020 3:42pm

https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2020/06/05/diarmuid-barron-promoted-from-academy-to-senior-squad/

Diarmuid Barron promoted to the senior squad after two years in the academy.

yerrahbah · 05-06-2020 4:33pm

https://twitter.com/Munsterrugby/status/1268923837997101056

3 new players in the Academy.

Stafford and Tynan leave the club

thomond2006 · 05-06-2020 4:34pm

No early promotion for Ben Healy then.

Buer · 05-06-2020 4:44pm

Jesus, Munster love a homegrown hooker. I'd say there's some list of lads who have come through the system and played for Munster to a decent level over the past 15 years.

thomond2006 wrote: »

No early promotion for Ben Healy then.

It's not too surprising, really. The guy has looked decent but there was far too much expectation and hype around him. Let him develop. He's probably going to get a fair bit of game time this coming season regardless if there is any sort of injury or Carbery is involved with Ireland at which point they can upgrade him if he shows he's ready.

Scottmactom · 05-06-2020 4:58pm

Greencore Munster Rugby Academy 2020/21
15 players have now been confirmed for the Academy next season and there may be further additions over the coming months.

Year Three: Thomas Ahern (Lock/Dungarvan-Waterpark RFC/Shannon), Jack Daly (Back-row forward/Castleisland RFC/Garryowen), Ben Healy (Out-half/Glenstal/Garryowen), James French (Prop/Bandom/UCC), Seán French (Centre/PBC/Cork Constitution), Eoghan Clarke (Hooker/Leinster/Shannon), Jonathan Wren (Back three/PBC/Cork Constitution), Josh Wycherley (Prop/Roscrea/Young Munster).

Year Two: Jake Flannery (Out-half/Rockwell/Shannon), John Hodnett (Back-row forward/Clonakilty RFC/UCC), Paddy Kelly (Lock/St.Munchins/Garryowen), Eoin O’Connor (Lock/Waterpark RFC/Young Munster).

Year One: Scott Buckley (Hooker/CBC/UCC), Jack Crowley (Out-half/Bandon/Cork Constitution), Alex Kendellen (Back-row forward/PBC).

Only 3 incoming players.

Cork - 8 - CBC x1, PBC x3, Bandon x2, Roscrea x1, Clonakilty x1
Waterford - 2
Tipp - 2
Limerick - 1
Kerry - 1
Dublin - 1

The Lost Sheep · 05-06-2020 5:04pm

thomond2006 wrote: »

No early promotion for Ben Healy then.

shouldnt have been anyway. Needs lot more to progress to senior contract. Less than 100 minutes and just 1 start. No rush or need to go to senior contract yet

Will be few additions to academy but with no u18/19 internationals this season as well as how club competitions ended it could be interesting when any are added. With more currently going into final year of academy than the other 2 years combined

Munster Team Talk Thread - Beirne After Reading

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