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Munster Team Talk Thread - Snymans are(n't) Forever

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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,759 ✭✭✭✭Clegg


    Not to mention Alan Quinlan getting a cushy national media job despite deliberately trying to blind an opposition player.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 100 ✭✭rayd3


    Inevitable reflexive whinge about Alan Quinlan being a meanie despite it being a total irrelevance to the discussion. Easy to spot when these guys haven’t a leg left to stand on.

    Remember the famous munster training brawls, famous even though the guy is trying to argue they got no coverage. You really couldn’t make this stuff up.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭Panda Killa


    Buer wrote: »
    On the scale of hurtful comments, Thomond, that one came dangerously close to actually registering.

    Yeah, tbf.. you're not that bad...you remind me of a Yellow Pack George Hook :)


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Slavish devotion too. Like, this is the paper that has Cian Tracey and Billy Keane on staff.

    Is it possible that they just cover the stories, good and bad, but people only get worked up about the negative?
    Keane doesnt write too much on rugby and is a colour writer who writes as much about leinster as Munster. Hes Johnny Sextons godfather.

    I hear you, yet you also have the likes of Cummiskey focusing on Munster's problems re Covid, as if the other provinces aren't in bother also.

    Munster in the headline sells, positive or negative I guess.
    but there is element of bias etc and some like cummiskey just seem to revel in writing poor Munster stories.
    CatFromHue wrote: »
    I don't think they went after CJ and Kleyn unfairly. The project player rule is an issue for lots of people, me included. 3 years was far too short.

    Also Michael Bent got a bit of a doing and he's been Irish qualified his whole life. It just happened that the week he arrived in Ireland was the same week all the other Irish THs were injured.

    As for Grobler it did turn into a bit of a feeding frenzy, those things in general do though. You can't be as virtuous in what you say, like what Munster and the IRFU say, on drugs and expect nothing when you hire a guy a served a drugs ban.
    bent isnt fair comparison. Very few comments about Strauss, or others who've qualified while playing in blue.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    Neither were there many comments when Jared Payne, Andy Ward or Nathan White, who was playing for Connacht, got capped for Ireland.

    The issue had been bubbling for awhile though and CJ got some, not very much it has to be said, of stick. I remember a few years back people on here were talking about a cap on the number of project players who could be in an Irish match day squad. That could have just been me saying it but that issue was there. Or making the residency period much longer.

    Kleyn's story is different in that he got picked for the RWC ahead of a 70 cap Ireland player in Devin Toner.

    Lowe has been asked directly already about the residency rule and qualifying for Ireland so it's not being ignored in his case, it's just he hasn't actually been capped yet.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,911 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    Buer wrote: »
    On the scale of hurtful comments, Thomond, that one came dangerously close to actually registering.


    He's just annoyed because his John Hayes pyjamas don't fit him any more.....:D:D:D:D:D:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,958 ✭✭✭✭Shefwedfan


    aloooof wrote: »
    Critical of stuff that's true versus critical of stuff that's not true.

    Mahoooosive difference.

    I don't want to be having a go but you don't do yourself any favours sometimes, Shef. If you held your hands up and admitted when you got something wrong, you might attract less grief around here.


    You do realise it is boards, nobody ever puts hands up!!:P:P


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,911 ✭✭✭jacothelad


    CatFromHue wrote: »
    Neither were there many comments when Jared Payne, Andy Ward or Nathan White, who was playing for Connacht, got capped for Ireland.

    The issue had been bubbling for awhile though and CJ got some, not very much it has to be said, of stick. I remember a few years back people on here were talking about a cap on the number of project players who could be in an Irish match day squad. That could have just been me saying it but that issue was there. Or making the residency period much longer.

    Kleyn's story is different in that he got picked for the RWC ahead of a 70 cap Ireland player in Devin Toner.

    Lowe has been asked directly already about the residency rule and qualifying for Ireland so it's not being ignored in his case, it's just he hasn't actually been capped yet.


    Andy Ward though is different to the others. He came to N.I. to be with his wife when the game was still amateur. He didn't come to play for Ireland.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,248 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Shefwedfan wrote: »
    You do realise it is boards, nobody ever puts hands up!!:P:P

    More’s the pity.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,183 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Yeah, tbf.. you're not that bad...you remind me of a Yellow Pack George Hook :)

    I can but dream.


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,145 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    jacothelad wrote: »
    Andy Ward though is different to the others. He came to N.I. to be with his wife when the game was still amateur. He didn't come to play for Ireland.

    I know and he was great, I was a big fan.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,032 ✭✭✭✭Caranica


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,838 ✭✭✭theboss80


    I suppose it will give a good sense to the committee what kind of numbers from existing ticket holders will renew regardless. Its a time when the club needs its supporter base more than ever so happily renewed just now myself. #SUAF


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,248 Mod ✭✭✭✭aloooof


    Article with a few thoughts from Bryan Habana on Snyman and De Allende.

    https://www.the42.ie/de-allende-snyman-munster-habana-5113821-Jun2020/

    Specifically on De Allende:

    “His ability to not only dominate the collision on attack and defence, but his passing – he’s probably one of the best passers I’ve ever seen in the game off both left and right.“


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    https://www.munsterrugby.ie/2020/06/05/diarmuid-barron-promoted-from-academy-to-senior-squad/

    Diarmuid Barron promoted to the senior squad after two years in the academy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,366 ✭✭✭yerrahbah


    https://twitter.com/Munsterrugby/status/1268923837997101056

    3 new players in the Academy.

    Stafford and Tynan leave the club


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    No early promotion for Ben Healy then.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,183 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Jesus, Munster love a homegrown hooker. I'd say there's some list of lads who have come through the system and played for Munster to a decent level over the past 15 years.
    No early promotion for Ben Healy then.

    It's not too surprising, really. The guy has looked decent but there was far too much expectation and hype around him. Let him develop. He's probably going to get a fair bit of game time this coming season regardless if there is any sort of injury or Carbery is involved with Ireland at which point they can upgrade him if he shows he's ready.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 490 ✭✭Scottmactom


    Greencore Munster Rugby Academy 2020/21
    15 players have now been confirmed for the Academy next season and there may be further additions over the coming months.
    Year Three: Thomas Ahern (Lock/Dungarvan-Waterpark RFC/Shannon), Jack Daly (Back-row forward/Castleisland RFC/Garryowen), Ben Healy (Out-half/Glenstal/Garryowen), James French (Prop/Bandom/UCC), Seán French (Centre/PBC/Cork Constitution), Eoghan Clarke (Hooker/Leinster/Shannon), Jonathan Wren (Back three/PBC/Cork Constitution), Josh Wycherley (Prop/Roscrea/Young Munster).

    Year Two: Jake Flannery (Out-half/Rockwell/Shannon), John Hodnett (Back-row forward/Clonakilty RFC/UCC), Paddy Kelly (Lock/St.Munchins/Garryowen), Eoin O’Connor (Lock/Waterpark RFC/Young Munster).

    Year One: Scott Buckley (Hooker/CBC/UCC), Jack Crowley (Out-half/Bandon/Cork Constitution), Alex Kendellen (Back-row forward/PBC).

    Only 3 incoming players.

    Cork - 8 - CBC x1, PBC x3, Bandon x2, Roscrea x1, Clonakilty x1
    Waterford - 2
    Tipp - 2
    Limerick - 1
    Kerry - 1
    Dublin - 1


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    No early promotion for Ben Healy then.
    shouldnt have been anyway. Needs lot more to progress to senior contract. Less than 100 minutes and just 1 start. No rush or need to go to senior contract yet

    Will be few additions to academy but with no u18/19 internationals this season as well as how club competitions ended it could be interesting when any are added. With more currently going into final year of academy than the other 2 years combined


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  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Buer/TLS, the point on Healy was moreso that he would replace Bleyendaal. There's three 10s in the academy now but only two in the senior squad, one of whom will be returning after two different surgeries. In the current climate an overseas signing would be unlikely.


  • Registered Users Posts: 14,967 ✭✭✭✭The Lost Sheep


    Buer/TLS, the point on Healy was moreso that he would replace Bleyendaal. There's three 10s in the academy now but only two in the senior squad, one of whom will be returning after two different surgeries. In the current climate an overseas signing would be unlikely.
    and he still could. That he isnt promoted isnt relevant. He will be training with squad all the time. Involved in matchday squads/24th man very often.


  • Registered Users Posts: 24,183 ✭✭✭✭Buer


    Buer/TLS, the point on Healy was moreso that he would replace Bleyendaal. There's three 10s in the academy now but only two in the senior squad, one of whom will be returning after two different surgeries. In the current climate an overseas signing would be unlikely.

    In the current climate, a senior contract will take more money than keeping someone on an academy deal too. Healy might well be training and playing with the senior team mostly and this is purely a financial decision.

    Combine that with the idea that they may genuinely not know which young outhalf is the best long term bet yet at this point and it's a sensible call.


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Thanks TLS.
    Shut up Buer.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,032 ✭✭✭✭Caranica


    That's some year 3 in the academy!!

    Such a pity the B&I cup was lost, no word about the terribly scheduled replacement tournament in plans for the next season.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,066 ✭✭✭Richie_Rich89


    Burkie1203 wrote: »
    That's why I reckon we will see a bit more movement around the provinces for whatever 2020-21 season we get, and possibly beyond then too. Bad time to be negotiating a new contract if your ambition is to play the next RWC

    That's very possible. It makes sense from the IRFU's perspective because moving a player to fill a gap elsewhere is probably cheaper all things considered than sanctioning an NIQ signing - and there's the added benefit of developing greater depth for the national team.

    Some general inter-provincial moves I can see happening to spread the wealth, as it were:

    Ciarán Frawley: from Leinster to Munster
    Something has to give at Leinster with Ross Byrne, Frawley and Harry Byrne all competing for gametime behind Sexton, and Hawkshaw in the mix too. With Carbery's injury woes and Bleyendaal forced to retire Munster are on the look out for an outhalf according to this article https://www.therugbypaper.co.uk/latest-news/36858/five-clubs-in-queue-for-axed-queensland-reds-ace-isaac-lucas/

    Stuart Moore: from Ulster to Munster
    An evasive skillful 13 rather than another battering ram like Farrell would probably complement de Allende best, and with Ulster having Marshall in situ and Addison, Faddes and Hume able to cover, perhaps a move to Munster, in the short-term anyway, would suit Irish rugby

    Ryan Baird: from Leinster to Munster
    I could see this one making sense if Leinster decide to hang on to Fardy for another year. Baird would probably start alongside Snyman for the big games rather than missing out on the XXIII altogether if he stayed put

    Dave Heffernan: from Connacht to Munster
    With Farrell preferring Heffernan to Scannell a move might make sense so he's guaranteed Heineken Cup action. Maybe with Scannell heading in the opposite direction.

    Andrew Porter: from Leinster to Munster
    Munster have already moved for Salanoa, but is he really likely to be a regular international for Ireland? Porter moving South would make a lot of sense. Leinster have Furlong and the very talented Clarkson in the academy, and Munster's option's are getting on in years. Could be good for the national team to have Porter as first choice at one of the provinces. Munster is the obvious destination with Ulster having Moore and O'Toole and Connacht unable to guarantee Heineken Cup qualification


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭theVersatile


    Please post that in the Leinster thread for the laugh.

    Serious talk though, there's no way we let Arnold go and decided to bring in Moore who's only going to be behind Goggin and Farrell anyways. He's better off breaking into Ulster's midfield because it's bang average and he's more likely to start there than beat out Farrell (even if he may get a few starts from Farrell bring in Farrell eile's squad.)

    I sincerely doubt Baird would start ahead of Irish internationals Tadhg Beirne and Jean Kleyn - and we've a wealth of second rows in the academy: Pa Kelly and Eoin Ó'Connor in Y2 and Thomas Aherne on Y3 - one of which is surely dying to break through. Gavin Coombes is also coming along massively and can cover the row. I'd say Baird would be much better off at either of the other two provinces than here - but I'd say there would be uproar if Fardy stayed longer and blocked him (among others) from coming through.

    Porter also leaving after Salanoa and Aungier have left already? Not a hope. There needs to be some THs in Dublin. Furlong, Porter, Abdaladze and Clarkson are the four atm, and I don't see them trimming any more for atleast another year or two.

    Heffernan? Our Hooker depth is ludicrous as it is - Scannell (who I believe should still be in Farrells squad ahead of Heffo/Kelleher), Marshall, O'Byrne (too super skillful players with decent Euro experience) and newly promoted Barron. I don't see this move happening either unless Barron and Clarke drop off the radar completely after this year and disaster strikes for one of the others. Don't think Connacht would agree to a swap deal either.

    Frawley/H.Byrne is the only one I see having a decent chance of happening - but again I reckon they'll give Joey another year to pull through the injuries (and Healy another year to meet the standard) before making a decision like that.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭VANG1


    Did you not see the Baird MOM performance against Glasgow, there is no way he is going anywhere. He and Ryan will be starting for Ireland, he is an outstanding talent.


  • Registered Users Posts: 45,433 ✭✭✭✭thomond2006


    Diarmuid Barron 2021
    Kevin O'Byrne 2022
    Rhys Marshall 2021
    Niall Scannell 2021

    Scott Buckley Year 1
    Eoghan Clarke Year 3


    James Cronin 2021
    Dave Kilcoyne 2023
    Liam O'Connor 2022
    Jeremy Loughman 2022

    James French Year 3
    Josh Wycherley Year 3


    Stephen Archer 2022
    Keynan Knox 2022
    John Ryan 2022
    Roman Salanoa 2022

    Tadhg Beirne 2022
    Billy Holland 2021
    Jean Kleyn 2022
    RG Snyman 2022
    Fineen Wycherley 2021

    Thomas Ahern Year 3
    Paddy Kelly Year 2
    Eoin O'Connor Year 2


    Gavin Coombes 2021
    Chris Cloete 2022
    Tommy O'Donnell 2021
    Jack O'Donoghue 2021
    Peter O'Mahony 2021
    Jack O'Sullivan 2023
    CJ Stander 2021

    Jack Daly Year 3
    John Hodnett Year 2
    Alex Kendellen Year 1


    Craig Casey 2021
    Neil Cronin 2021
    Nick McCarthy 2021
    Conor Murray 2022

    Joey Carbery 2022
    JJ Hanrahan 2021

    Jack Crowley Year 1
    Jake Flannery Year 2
    Ben Healy Year 3


    Damian de Allende 2022
    Chris Farrell 2022
    Dan Goggin 2022
    Alex McHenry 2021
    Rory Scannell 2021

    Sean French Year 3

    Andrew Conway 2023
    Liam Coombes 2021
    Shane Daly 2021
    Keith Earls 2021
    Matt Gallagher 2022
    Mike Haley 2021
    Calvin Nash 2021
    Darren Sweetnam 2021
    Alex Wootton 2021

    Jonathan Wren Year 3

    Confirmed 2020/21 NIEs:
    RG Snyman (capped), Damian de Allende (capped)

    IN: Scott Buckley (HK, UCC), Roman Salanoa (PR, Leinster), RG Snyman (LK, Honda Heat), Alex Kendellen (BR, PBC), Jack Crowley (FH, Cork Constitution), Damian de Allende (CT, Panasonic Wild Knights), Matt Gallagher (FB, Saracens)
    OUT: Brian Scott (PR, Retired), Ciaran Parker (PR, England/TBC), Sean O'Connor (SR, England/TBC), Darren O'Shea (SR, TBC), Arno Botha (BR, Blue Bulls), Conor Oliver (BR, Connacht), Jack Stafford (SH, TBC), Tyler Bleyendaal (FH, Retired), Sammy Arnold (CT, Connacht), Alan Tynan (FB, TBC)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,890 ✭✭✭realhorrorshow


    Aside from a bit of a logjam in the back 3, good to see Munster carrying a leaner squad absolutely packed with talent.


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