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Anyone fancy a trip to Pontins ??

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  • #102
    pgj2015
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,474 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    NeVeR wrote: »
    I'm on that list, "Stokes" and I'm delighted :D Didn't know I had traveler blood in me...




    Do you like dags? :)


  • #103
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,328 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    I’m going to have some craic with this.
    I have three good friends named Murphy, Sheridan and Ward.
    I’ll be telling them I can’t hang around with them anymore and that I’m booking a holiday at Pontins.


  • #104
    LapsypaCork
    Registered Users Posts: 235 ✭✭LapsypaCork


    Fake Scores wrote: »
    Joyce, the quintessential traveller name -even with it - this is also
    a name in some of the most well-heeled familys in south Dublin. And
    widely represented in the legal, medical professions etc.

    Like they’d be booking Pontins for their holidays:)


  • #105
    Snickers Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭Snickers Man


    Buddy Bubs wrote: »
    I, for one, am outraged! Not really though. I lived in England for a year and got the anti irish stuff a good bit and didn't care one bit.

    Well absolutely! I lived there for nearly 10 years. I'd rather be called Paddy (which is not my name) than have people think of me as English!

    There are limits, after all :)


  • #106
    Snickers Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭Snickers Man


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Apparently these signs were everywhere in the 50s

    But there isn't a single genuine photograph of one in existence.

    Odd that.

    Very. I mean, didn't they have camera phones in the 1950s?

    Oh, wait.......


  • #107
    pgj2015
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,474 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    I heard Irish men who worked in England in the 70's and 80's saying they would avoid an Irish boss in England and you were better off working for an English man. make of that what you will. These lads would have worked on building sites.


  • #108
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Apparently these signs were everywhere in the 50s

    But there isn't a single genuine photograph of one in existence.

    Odd that.

    I suppose people didn’t take out their iPhones, roll up the driveway to take snaps all that quickly. There are some photos though.

    There’s plenty of newspaper evidence in ads. I saw one myself when investigating something else.


  • #109
    suicide_circus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,802 ✭✭✭✭suicide_circus


    SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »
    Of course there will be outward rage over this but an honest media would ask why a company would want to turn away customers

    What has happened in these camps previously for Poitins to have come up with this

    Not a few isolated incidents I would imagine

    Turning away customers and their money - why would a company do that? Just baseless bigotry? Seems unlikely


  • #110
    ElJaguar
    Registered Users Posts: 119 ✭✭ElJaguar


    lalababa wrote: »
    And the Irish mentality is to look down on the other Irish.

    That mentality exists in many other national groups too.:confused:


  • #111
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,523 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Curse These Metal Hands wrote: »
    Maybe not as late as the 1950s, there are plenty of examples of anti Irish sentiment and "no Irish need apply" spanning decades after the 1850 though.

    Anti-Irish sentiment, certainly and is documented

    "No Irish need apply" in 19th century job ads in UK and US, certainly and is documented

    "No blacks no dogs no Irish" signs are turning out to be very elusive... especially as the "blacks" part would mean it would be after WWII. The one printed in every article on the topic is the one here :

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/28/no-reason-to-doubt-no-irish-no-blacks-signs

    But that was clearly faked with a marker decades later.

    The smart arsery about camera phones is just stupid. Cameras existed :rolleyes: and there were journalists and photographers documenting the experiences of Carribean immigrants to the UK in the 50s, this was a new and interesting thing so attracted attention even if anti-Irish feeling (which did exist) wouldn't have.

    Scrap the cap!



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  • #112
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,523 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    NeVeR wrote: »
    I'm on that list, "Stokes" and I'm delighted :D Didn't know I had traveler blood in me...

    Stoked, you might say :pac:

    I've been all over Europe on camping trips on my motorbike, no hassles anywhere, only place I ever got attitude/snobbery was England. OK most of the campsites there are more for retired old dears in caravans rather than the continental style ones with young families, etc. but still.

    Only got actual anti-Irish sentiment once and that was at the French end of the Channel Tunnel coming back one time (checkpoint operated by Kent police). Documents got the going over for ages, seemed like about an hour with no explanation. Thought the whole bike/luggage was going to be searched which would take a couple of hours.. but no in the end I was just waved on, cop was now all smiles telling me about his bike etc. well I thought to myself you can f**k off with your bonhomie now pal I just want to get out of here and through your poxy country as quickly as possible. I found out later that there'd been some "32-county sovereignty blah blah" tossers lifted that morning in London. Thanks again guys :rolleyes:

    Scrap the cap!



  • #113
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    NeVeR wrote: »
    I'm on that list, "Stokes" and I'm delighted :D Didn't know I had traveler blood in me...

    try to make a booking with Pontins today for the craic :pac: and see how you get on


  • #114
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,369 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Having holidayed on sites in the UK and had the pikey ****s running amok, I am not outraged.


  • #115
    uptherebels
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,740 ✭✭✭uptherebels


    Deleted User wrote: »
    Where’s his chip? It’s a quote.

    It the reason for posting the quote that provides the chip


  • #116
    OldRio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,147 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Anti-Irish sentiment, certainly and is documented

    "No Irish need apply" in 19th century job ads in UK and US, certainly and is documented

    "No blacks no dogs no Irish" signs are turning out to be very elusive... especially as the "blacks" part would mean it would be after WWII. The one printed in every article on the topic is the one here :

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/28/no-reason-to-doubt-no-irish-no-blacks-signs

    But that was clearly faked with a marker decades later.

    The smart arsery about camera phones is just stupid. Cameras existed :rolleyes: and there were journalists and photographers documenting the experiences of Carribean immigrants to the UK in the 50s, this was a new and interesting thing so attracted attention even if anti-Irish feeling (which did exist) wouldn't have.

    I did tell you what I saw.


  • #117
    JupiterKid
    Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 12,894 Mod ✭✭✭✭JupiterKid


    Not surprised that members of a certain "ethnic" group are regular patrons of Pontins and a source of trouble there.

    Although "holidaying" in Pontins would be my idea of hell, people who do go there deserve not to be bothered/intimidated by scumbags. Pontins are within their rights to be discriminating on who they allow in.
    But this memo/list should never have been put out there in the media.

    The solicitors, as per usual, will now have a field day.


  • #118
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    Anti-Irish sentiment, certainly and is documented

    "No Irish need apply" in 19th century job ads in UK and US, certainly and is documented

    "No blacks no dogs no Irish" signs are turning out to be very elusive... especially as the "blacks" part would mean it would be after WWII. The one printed in every article on the topic is the one here :

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/28/no-reason-to-doubt-no-irish-no-blacks-signs

    But that was clearly faked with a marker decades later.

    The smart arsery about camera phones is just stupid. Cameras existed :rolleyes: and there were journalists and photographers documenting the experiences of Carribean immigrants to the UK in the 50s, this was a new and interesting thing so attracted attention even if anti-Irish feeling (which did exist) wouldn't have.

    You’ve created a straw man argument (as do others). It’s not clear that that photo is doctored but it’s largely irrelevant. The existence of the phrase No Dogs, No blacks, No Irish on one sign might not have happened but was probably the general sentiment. I assume you aren’t saying that there wasn’t prejudice or restrictions on black people in housing or B&Bs? Or on dogs in some cases? Or on Irish in others.

    The existence of non existence of that actual sign is largely irrelevant.


  • #119
    murpho999
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,542 ✭✭✭✭murpho999


    https://twitter.com/liamgallagher/status/1367092668757651460


  • #120
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,462 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    JupiterKid wrote: »
    . Pontins are within their rights to be discriminating on who they allow in.

    Several decades of anti discrimination law in the UK disagrees with you.


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  • #121
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,523 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    Deleted User wrote: »
    You’ve created a straw man argument (as do others). It’s not clear that that photo is doctored

    It absolutely is faked, look at it, it was done with a large marker. It's also the only picture that ever comes up on image search or in articles.
    The existence of non existence of that actual sign is largely irrelevant.

    Not when it's continually cited as a fact but no proof is ever offered.

    Did you actually read what I posted? I said that anti-Irish discrimination certainly existed. There is no doubt racial discrimination existed too. But we shouldn't keep on perpetuating myths about a sign just because it helps us feel like the Most Oppressed People Ever.

    Scrap the cap!



  • #122
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,801 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    It absolutely is faked, look at it, it was done with a large marker. It's also the only picture that ever comes up on image search or in articles.



    Not when it's continually cited as a fact but no proof is ever offered.

    Did you actually read what I posted? I said that anti-Irish discrimination certainly existed. There is no doubt racial discrimination existed too. But we shouldn't keep on perpetuating myths about a sign just because it helps us feel like the Most Oppressed People Ever.

    The sign is your straw man argument. Other people are saying that similar signs existed, you seem to think that the fact that a particular photo of a faked sign is important (otherwise why bring it up).

    What are arguing about here, the actual sign? The sign could well be fake and other signs true.

    The use of the MOPE is also an example of a strawman, never used except ironically.


  • #123
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,523 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    You are really not getting this.

    It's NOT about that particular picture of a sign :rolleyes:

    It's about how we are told how these signs were supposedly all over the place, but there is never any documentary evidence that they existed at all.

    Urban myth until proven otherwise.

    Scrap the cap!



  • #124
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    Interestingly an English guy claimed the sign was not genuine.https://www.irishcentral.com/roots/history/british-doubts-no-irish-no-blacks-no-dogs-signs-existed


  • #125
    Snickers Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,301 ✭✭✭Snickers Man


    OldRio wrote: »
    I can assure you in the 1960's those signs existed. I saw them. I also remember being turned away from 'digs' because of our accent. 'F##k off paddy'

    In the mid 80s I rented (for a short time) a bedsit in South East London. The owner of the house, a Polish lady, was out when I answered the ad so I was "vetted" by one of her long-term tenants, a typical London geezer.

    "She don't want no blacks, and she don't want no women, so you'll be all right," he said.

    I doubt if he would be so candid today! So we were acceptable by the 1980s but there were still some standards below which people would not stoop.

    Was it the same for us in the 1950s and 60s? Wouldn't surprise me.


  • #126
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    Well in fairness a lot of irish that went to england to work on the building sites and roads back in the 50's & 60's were low educated quick with their fists rowdy west of ireland types and they did rightly or wrongly have a reputation for aggro.


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  • #127
    Plumbthedepths
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,653 ✭✭✭✭Plumbthedepths


    fryup wrote: »
    Well in fairness a lot of irish that went to england to work on the building sites and roads back in the 50's & 60's were low educated quick with their fists west of ireland types and they did rightly or wrongly have a reputation for aggro.

    I do love generalisations easy for racist's to hide behind them.


  • #128
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    but its true the irish back then had a reputation for drunken violence

    in the same way we look at the travellers over here


  • #129
    pgj2015
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,474 ✭✭✭pgj2015


    fryup wrote: »
    but its true the irish back then had a reputation for drunken violence

    in the same way we look at the travellers over here




    Probably the same reputation the Irish have in Australia now.


  • #130
    OldRio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,147 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

    Urban myth until proven otherwise.

    So my testimony of what I saw has been dismissed my you. Completely ignored.
    Living in the England in the Sixties and seventies I can assure you those signs existed. But obviously that doesn't suit your agenda. Reading your post history shows your agenda.
    The problem isn't the signs is it? It's you.


  • #131
    Pauliedragon
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,980 ✭✭✭Pauliedragon


    pgj2015 wrote: »
    Probably the same reputation the Irish have in Australia now.
    I lived over there for a long time. The words pot and kettle come to mind when Aussies say that to me. The Aussies love a good session. My local had a happy hour at 7am ffs. When there's a state of origin or bledisloe on in Sydney with 8pm kick off the pubs are packed at 10am


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  • #132
    BrianD3
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭BrianD3


    If they didn't allow anyone driving a commercial vehicle would that be regarded as indirect discrimination. What else would be regarded as indirect discrimination, if they had a "no fighting on our property" rule would that indirectly discriminate against travellers.

    Actually is banning names even indirect discrimination. Plenty of settled people called Stokes etc. also you are likely to find these names anywhere in the world that Irish people have emigrated to. I've no doubt that there are people born and bred in Australia and the US who are named Stokes etc.


  • #133
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,369 ✭ [Deleted User]


    BrianD3 wrote: »
    If they didn't allow anyone driving a commercial vehicle would that be regarded as indirect discrimination. What else would be regarded as indirect discrimination, if they had a "no fighting on our property" rule would that indirectly discriminate against travellers.

    Actually is banning names even indirect discrimination. Plenty of settled people called Stokes etc. also you are likely to find these names anywhere in the world that Irish people have emigrated to. I've no doubt that there are people born and bred in Australia and the US who are named Stokes etc.

    They are rules prohibiting certain actions not covered by the 9 rules of discrimination.

    Having a surnam is not an action or event


  • #134
    I Am The Law
    Registered Users Posts: 657 ✭✭✭I Am The Law


    Niner leprauchan wrote: »
    They are rules prohibiting certain actions not covered by the 9 rules of discrimination.

    Having a surnam is not an action or event

    That 9 grounds is only a made up irish bollox, doesn't apply in the UK.


  • #135
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 5,369 ✭ [Deleted User]


    I Am The Law wrote: »
    That 9 grounds is only a made up irish bollox, doesn't apply in the UK.


    Evidently, you are not the law

    https://www.gov.uk/discrimination-your-rights


  • #136
    Hotblack Desiato
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 35,523 ✭✭✭✭Hotblack Desiato


    OldRio wrote: »
    So my testimony of what I saw has been dismissed my you. Completely ignored.
    Living in the England in the Sixties and seventies I can assure you those signs existed. But obviously that doesn't suit your agenda. Reading your post history shows your agenda.
    The problem isn't the signs is it? It's you.

    So what? Some people say they saw Jesus, or Elvis, UFOs.

    Stalking and going on about agendas and your last sentence say all I need to know about you mate

    Scrap the cap!



  • #137
    OldRio
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,147 ✭✭✭OldRio


    Hotblack Desiato wrote: »
    So what? Some people say they saw Jesus, or Elvis, UFOs.

    Stalking and going on about agendas and your last sentence say all I need to know about you mate

    'mate' No. I'm not your mate.

    'So what?' No I didn't see Jesus or Elvis or UFOs. What I did see was signs saying No blacks, no dogs, no Irish. Obviously for reasons only known to yourself you've dismissed my observations. It doesn't fit your prejudged agenda I would suggest.

    'Stalking'. Deary me.


  • #138
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,328 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    It might not be PC to discriminate against Travelers but they have certainly discriminated against settled people.
    I’ve met many and had dealings with a good many. Some are very nice, some not nice at all. I certainly wouldn’t trust Travelers I don’t know and I would leave a pub or hotel if they came in as I wouldn’t feel safe there.


  • #139
    fryup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,067 ✭✭✭✭fryup


    ^^^^^^^^^^^^

    yes, and put the stereotype to bed


  • #140
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,462 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    tayto lover wrote: »
    It might not be PC to discriminate against Travelers but they have certainly discriminated against settled people.
    I’ve met many and had dealings with a good many. Some are very nice, some not nice at all.

    Same as most groups and communities then? I certainly wouldn't be inviting Boards users to any family event given that they seem to hang around with people who soil themselves at such events.

    Maybe we should get list of Boards surnames to block?


    https://touch.boards.ie/thread/2057945199/4/#post109136300
    https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=90747832


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