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Judgement day for Maria Bailey.

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  • #202
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,221 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    mzungu wrote: »
    I think it was "that interview." All eyes were on Maria Bailey from that moment on. I still have no idea what possessed her to do it. There is a good chance the story would have fizzled out if she had kept quiet. But, for some bizarre reason she went on a solo run to the RTE studios and the rest is history.

    Arrogance.


  • #203
    pablo128
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,219 ✭✭✭pablo128


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Arrogance.

    Possibly drink fuelled arrogance going by the slurring.

    Or maybe that's how she speaks normally. I don't know.


  • #204
    jmreire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,580 ✭✭✭jmreire


    _Kaiser_ wrote: »
    Never gets old! Just listened to it again.

    The building resentment and anger from her that comes out as the interview goes on is hugely significant. She truly believes that this was an orchestrated campaign against her and she did nothing wrong. Other TD's, the media, the public all against her... She genuinely sees herself as a victim. She did nothing wrong and she won't be bullied.

    Given everything that's since happened, one thing is sure I reckon.

    She won't go down without getting what she considers justice.

    That's OK so....Justice is what we are all looking for. Justice and protection from all criminal's and their activity's.


  • #205
    nuac
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,769 ✭✭✭nuac


    mzungu wrote: »
    I think it was "that interview." All eyes were on Maria Bailey from that moment on. I still have no idea what possessed her to do it. There is a good chance the story would have fizzled out if she had kept quiet. But, for some bizarre reason she went on a solo run to the RTE studios and the rest is history.

    She had a PR guru with her. When he saw and heard the disaster unfolding he should have stopped the interview.
    Any excuse from "bad line" to a "bad turn".


  • #206
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,987 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    "You have to remember Sean, I'm the victim here"


  • #207
    jmreire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,580 ✭✭✭jmreire


    NIMAN wrote: »
    "You have to remember Sean, I'm the victim here"

    Aren't we all? Ask anyone who pays insurance........:mad:


  • #208
    It wasnt me123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,748 ✭✭✭It wasnt me123


    Worse than playing "the victim" she lied on a Court document - her affidavit

    She said she couldn't do her normal actiivities, like running, and then ran a fast 10km race 2 weeks later - pure lies

    And still she said she did nothing wrong - arrogance


  • #209
    is_that_so
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    Gen.Zhukov wrote: »
    I think the main reason, for me anyway, was the blatant ****ing stupidity of using the - 'swing should have been supervised and had instructions' as part of their case. I think that's what got on peoples collective wick. Also, the stupidity of not holding on to the ropes.
    They basically never thought it would ever get to court.

    The Farrell thing was all a bit meh in comparison to Bailey, but just as ropey. He's screwed next GE anyway.
    Pretty much. That and the bottles in each hand. Most people would laugh it off once they got over the embarrassment. I don't agree with the Indo view on MB. It's parties who decide to run candidates. I think FG will let Farrell run as they only have one seat there. Reilly will probably have another go and they might feel between the pair of them that they can hold a seat. The departure of Daly is a plus as that vote would most likely splinter and even if they go as low as 10% in FPVs that's nearly a seat.
    DL is a different story and they will be starting an election campaign with an automatic seat loss , through Barrett's retirement. Keeping Bailey could put a second seat under pressure even though they are currently on about 30% in FPVs. RBB and Mitchell O'Connor will be returned. After that Hannafin would fancy her chances, if voters are less hostile to FF, and there could be a Green surge to knock out a second FG (MB) seat.


  • #210
    2smiggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,951 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    'Sean Sean Sean'


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  • #211
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    2smiggy wrote: »
    'Sean Sean Sean'

    Borrowing from Mary Lou

    “Let me be very clear Seán”

    It’s unbearably cringe worthy. What an absolute spanner she seems to be.

    “In my pjs on the sofa watching tv with the kids”.


  • #212
    Idbatterim
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,853 ✭✭✭✭Idbatterim


    How can that moron mmoc be seen as a dead cert for re-election?!

    Did she try sue anyone for back related injuries after she drove down steps?


  • #213
    2smiggy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,951 ✭✭✭✭2smiggy


    Idbatterim wrote: »
    How can that moron mmoc be seen as a dead cert for re-election?!

    Did she try sue anyone for back related injuries after she drove down steps?

    different lady FG TD I believe !!


  • #214
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    2smiggy wrote: »
    different lady FG TD I believe !!

    No it was indeed the other female FG TD in Dun Laoghaire. Mary Mitchell O'Connor.


  • #215
    padd b1975
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,782 ✭✭✭✭padd b1975


    nuac wrote: »
    She had a PR guru with her. When he saw and heard the disaster unfolding he should have stopped the interview.
    Any excuse from "bad line" to a "bad turn".

    'Tired and emotional' is a hardy annual.


  • #216
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Didn't hear it myself, but apparently Brian Hayes and Brendan O'Connor were on Marian Finnucanes radio show yesterday whinging that the "treatment and condemnation of Maria Bailey could scare other women off politics and becoming politicians"

    If only their was a way to avoid the scrutiny and condemnation lads.

    FFS.


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  • #217
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    ah smarmy Brian Hayes, the FG Director of Elections in 2016 and the genius behind the disastrous 'Keep the Recovery Going' slogan :rolleyes:

    So on one hand they push gender quotas and on the other when their female candidate cant handle the rough and tumble of politics then we are not allowed to scrutinise alleged insurance fraud and an attempted 20 grand shakedown of a local business. Are they fearful that the whole episode might discourage other alleged fraudsters from signing up to politics or something? Or did it even occur to them that Maria might actually be to blame for her own downfall at all?


  • #218
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Those two yahoos are the ones relating it to gender. Are we to treat people differently because they are female or do they think if Bailey was male we'd not be interested? Snake oil salesmen shilling for big blue.


  • #219
    jmreire
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,580 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    Didn't hear it myself, but apparently Brian Hayes and Brendan O'Connor were on Marian Finnucanes radio show yesterday whinging that the "treatment and condemnation of Maria Bailey could scare other women off politics and becoming politicians"

    If only their was a way to avoid the scrutiny and condemnation lads.

    FFS.

    Really scraping the bottom of the barrel now....the worry meter must be red lining.The way things are, it's not the turning women off politic's they need to think about, it's the turning of people off politician's.. All of them. And to be honest, by the recent activity, both inside and outside the Dail, they have done nothing to change Peoples opinion of them.


  • #220
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Not sure if I should be saying who exactly will know their fate tomorrow night, because the manure is going to hit the fan for s few of them, but apparently Maria's fate will be decided tomorrow night.

    Do they keep her on the ticket to stop her spilling the beans?

    Or will she be made to walk the plank, and reveal these details of her claim that aren't yet in the public domain?

    Popcorn and beer tomorrow evening perhaps?


  • #221
    It wasnt me123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,748 ✭✭✭It wasnt me123


    Even if she revealed the complete details of the claim it will only confirm that she is a greedy lying person - who may or may not have got informal legal assistance from a fellow TD. So what, she still lied on court documents and played the victim - she would do well to just go away.

    I actually have an issue in my business which I call the "Maria Bailey effect" - ie not sure who's insurance covers a walkway near my building so the side door stays locked - come in the front door where my insurance definitely kicks in.

    This is the nonsence that business owners have to resort to to try and limit numpties taking advantage - I hope she gets further ridicule and just goes away.


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  • #222
    splinter65
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,420 ✭✭✭splinter65


    Now FF appear to have their own Maria Bailey, Sen Lorraine Clifford Lee now giving them lots of bother over 9 year old tweets. She’s playing the victim card but she wasn’t a teenager when she sent the tweets she was a grown up woman of 30.


  • #223
    It wasnt me123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,748 ✭✭✭It wasnt me123


    Any link to Sen Lorraine Clifford - I was so incensed by Maria Bailey when the story first broke that I emailed her - under my own name - to tell her just how disgusting her behaviour was. I'm sick to death of my insurance going skywards to pay for crooks.


  • #224
    sligojoek
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,420 ✭✭✭✭sligojoek


    On Broadsheet


  • #225
    It wasnt me123
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,748 ✭✭✭It wasnt me123


    I'm not racist BUT .....

    I don't have a problem with her tweets - especially as she was a member of the public when stated and the fact that, as far as I could see, its nothing I wouldn't say but probably not online but only due to recriminations.

    Traveller culture is a scourge on our landscape - sorry if that's offensive but I can't stand them.


  • #226
    Higgins5473
    Registered Users Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭Higgins5473


    It wasnt me123 wrote: »
    Any link to Sen Lorraine Clifford - I was so incensed by Maria Bailey when the story first broke that I emailed her - under my own name - to tell her just how disgusting her behaviour was. I'm sick to death of my insurance going skywards to pay for crooks.

    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/senator-apologises-for-traveller-and-dwarf-tweets-but-claims-she-is-victim-of-smear-campaign-38679061.html

    Surely this is a good luck and slán leat.


  • #227
    Itssoeasy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,338 ✭✭✭✭Itssoeasy


    Higgins5473 wrote: »
    https://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/senator-apologises-for-traveller-and-dwarf-tweets-but-claims-she-is-victim-of-smear-campaign-38679061.html

    Surely this is a good luck and slán leat.

    So she apologised for the tweet therefore acknowledging they are real but yet claims she the victim of a smear attack ? Is it possible she wrote things online of her own free will that were questionable at best and they have come to light ?


  • #228
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    So she apologised for the tweet therefore acknowledging they are real but yet claims she the victim of a smear attack ? Is it possible she wrote things online of her own free will that were questionable at best and they have come to light ?

    As a private person I think she wasn't doing anything outside of bad taste. I agree with her 'fat arse' comment.
    As a politician she should be held to higher standards. I mean I doubt she'll be a genuine advocate for the midgets or the 'knackers', so be interesting to see where they put her.


  • #229
    ChikiChiki
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,950 ✭✭✭ChikiChiki


    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    Not sure if I should be saying who exactly will know their fate tomorrow night, because the manure is going to hit the fan for s few of them, but apparently Maria's fate will be decided tomorrow night.

    Do they keep her on the ticket to stop her spilling the beans?

    Or will she be made to walk the plank, and reveal these details of her claim that aren't yet in the public domain?

    Popcorn and beer tomorrow evening perhaps?

    Out out Maria and into the Seanad with you. A typically FG solution I expect.


  • #230
    Higgins5473
    Registered Users Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭Higgins5473


    Itssoeasy wrote: »
    So she apologised for the tweet therefore acknowledging they are real but yet claims she the victim of a smear attack ? Is it possible she wrote things online of her own free will that were questionable at best and they have come to light ?

    exactly..."smear" is now being found out but because you are politician someone is trying to discredit you. bizarre. she should be chucked out of the senate, no questions asked.


  • #231
    WishUWereHere
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,468 ✭✭✭WishUWereHere


    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    Not sure if I should be saying who exactly will know their fate tomorrow night, because the manure is going to hit the fan for s few of them, but apparently Maria's fate will be decided tomorrow night.

    Do they keep her on the ticket to stop her spilling the beans?

    Or will she be made to walk the plank, and reveal these details of her claim that aren't yet in the public domain?

    Popcorn and beer tomorrow evening perhaps?

    Tonight’s the night Johnny. What time this meeting is at?


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  • #232
    mikemac2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,972 ✭✭✭mikemac2


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    I agree with a lot of this

    https://www.independent.ie/opinion/comment/donal-lynch-why-voters-not-fine-gael-should-decide-on-underfire-maria-baileys-political-fate-38656043.html
    Fianna Fail has called for an investigation into him but Fine Gael has been curiously quiet and in many ways his case was worse than Bailey's. While she eventually withdrew her claim, as sharply as a chameleon withdraws its tongue, Farrell actually persevered with his.

    Hah I love the chameleon part :D

    A year ago I believe I posted the Independent was a rag. Now they are doing investigative work over many months and not afraid to pull punches. Bravo.


  • #233
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    WishUWereHere wrote: »
    Tonight’s the night Johnny. What time this meeting is at?

    Postponed until tomorrow evening according to news reports, just......keeps.....dragging....on....for them........


  • #234
    Plumbthedepths
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    Eoghan Murphy on the radio earlier asked about Maria's deselection wouldn't answer Miriam's questions about should she be on the ticket, poor Maria is toast it seems.


  • #235
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,688 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    mikemac2 wrote: »
    Hah I love the chameleon part :D

    A year ago I believe I posted the Independent was a rag. Now they are doing investigative work over many months and not afraid to pull punches. Bravo.

    Kevin Doyle definitely a contender for Journalst of the Year. He was the main man for both the Bailey story and breaking the Dail voting scandal
    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    Postponed until tomorrow evening according to news reports, just......keeps.....dragging....on....for them........

    Ah sure we are only 10 days short of the Bailey mess hitting the six month mark, whats another few days :pac:


  • #236
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Eoghan Murphy on the radio earlier asked about Maria's deselection wouldn't answer Miriam's questions about should she be on the ticket, poor Maria is toast it seems.

    Murphy is a very poor TD/Minister.

    Whatever about deselection why aren't FG being asked about their plans to tackle insurance fraud?


  • #237
    Odyssey 2005
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,065 ✭✭✭✭Odyssey 2005


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Murphy is a very poor TD/Minister.

    Whatever about deselection why aren't FG being asked about their plans to tackle insurance fraud?

    They seem to be ok with it.


  • #238
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Plumbthedepths wrote: »
    Eoghan Murphy on the radio earlier asked about Maria's deselection wouldn't answer Miriam's questions about should she be on the ticket, poor Maria is toast it seems.

    He's unlikely to speak ill of his former babysitter.
    Not true but could be :)


  • #239
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    Odyssey 2005 wrote: »
    They seem to be ok with it.

    Well that's the thing. The real issue here is that insurance fraud has gotten so bad in Ireland that 3 of their own TDs are taking advantage of it.
    Instead of tackling the issue, they are only concerned at saving the party's reputation and they are doing a brutal job of that too.


  • #240
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    Snow Garden wrote: »
    Well that's the thing. The real issue here is that insurance fraud has gotten so bad in Ireland that 3 of their own TDs are taking advantage of it.
    Instead of tackling the issue, they are only concerned at saving the party's reputation and they are doing a brutal job of that too.

    It's good to see they are consistent. I'm still not 100% if they fall into the incompetence or helping pals earn a crust category on the housing crisis. Likely a little from column A and a little from column B.


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  • #241
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    Fine Gael set to take TD Maria Bailey off general election ticket

    Just waiting now on the one time stalwart hardcore "Maria Bailey is exonerated" fans to now become turncoat "Maria Bailey's worse than Hitler" crew once she's pissing outside the tent.

    The next few weeks will be interesting.


  • #242
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    'All for the want of a horseshoe nail...'

    Fine Gael's arrogance, their comeuppance once again. All Leo had to do....


  • #243
    tayto lover
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 52,221 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Johnny Dogs wrote: »
    Fine Gael set to take TD Maria Bailey off general election ticket

    Just waiting now on the one time stalwart hardcore "Maria Bailey is exonerated" fans to now become turncoat "Maria Bailey's worse than Hitler" crew once she's pissing outside the tent.

    The next few weeks will be interesting.

    It couldn’t have gone any other way.
    Lose / lose for them.
    This way is damage limitation as they have finally dealt with the issue.
    Better late than never thinking.


  • #244
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,013 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    tayto lover wrote: »
    It couldn’t have gone any other way.
    Lose / lose for them.
    This way is damage limitation as they have finally dealt with the issue.
    Better late than never thinking.

    Too late long ago. Now it's like their hand was forced by their own. No better late than never in this scenario.


  • #245
    McMurphy
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,365 ✭✭✭✭McMurphy


    tayto lover wrote: »
    It couldn’t have gone any other way.
    Lose / lose for them.
    This way is damage limitation as they have finally dealt with the issue.
    Better late than never thinking.

    Damage limitation wha:confused:

    Leo tried to bury this story and hoped it would go away, first by the report, then by saying the report (which no one was allowed to see) exonerated her, on the same day BoJo was making headline news.

    "She's been punished enough" said the law and order keepers - we will be slapping her wrist by a token demotion.

    Leo didn't have the balls to deal with it in the beginning, nor as time went on, even if she is gone , she'll not be gone due to the leadership within FG, she's gonna be off the ticket due to the grassroot local members who have forced their hand.

    Still lose lose though, for all we know this is only the beginning of the real messy bit, bailey and Madigan in an MTV celebrity death match video would be brilliant fun altogether.


  • #246
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    tayto lover wrote: »
    It couldn’t have gone any other way.
    Lose / lose for them.
    This way is damage limitation as they have finally dealt with the issue.
    Better late than never thinking.

    Besides Bailey and Farrell, the person most damaged by this is Leo. His leadership looks extremely weak now. Coveney pulled a stroke by ensuring Bailey did not lose the whip. I don't think that was Coveney being clever but it will work out in his favour in the long run even though Leo is the more capable politician.


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  • #247
    BattleCorp
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    I wonder will it be Senator Maria Bailey??? Watch this space.


  • #248
    mikemac2
    Registered Users Posts: 2,972 ✭✭✭mikemac2


    Almost certainly yes she will be headed there


  • #249
    astrofool
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,885 ✭✭✭✭astrofool


    Is anyone defending her? This was always how this was going to play out, the numbers in the Dáil are too tight to lose another TD, wait for things to go quiet, let her be deselected by "the party" and then resolve it as solved without putting too many peoples noses out of joint. I posted exactly that on the previous thread: https://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=110769169&postcount=6906

    Hopefully it's just "max outrage on the internet" that leads people to expect dramatics, the reality of politics is very different :)


  • #250
    Snow Garden
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,126 ✭✭✭Snow Garden


    BattleCorp wrote: »
    I wonder will it be Senator Maria Bailey??? Watch this space.

    Yes she will be rewarded by Fine Gael for a bona fides insurance claim and dodgy expense claims with a seat in the yet unreformed Seanad.

    I see her future political career mirroring that of Fidelma Healy Eames, another quality FG politician who liked free money at taxpayer expense.


  • #251
    riemann
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,063 ✭✭✭riemann


    mikemac2 wrote: »
    Almost certainly yes she will beheaded

    fixed that error


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