One year on from Ms Cash's impassioned speech

lola85 · 21-09-2019 10:53pm

normanoffside wrote: »

Eh?

Don’t mind him.

He still is trying to find other ways to occupy himself outside the laptop in a full employment Ireland.

21-09-2019 10:57pm

normanoffside wrote: »

I've tried to cut out most of the rubbish.

Show me anything in socialist/marxist teaching which talks about pay without work. All Socialist economic theory talks about fair pay for labour of the worker.

I've been to Cuba under Castro and the health system and education was incredible. Everyone had a house and access to welfare, I have never seen a more healthy and well educated people.
However, everyone was expected to work to gain these benefits.

There were people who didn't want to work and they lived on the streets.

The idea that we should give benefits to people who refuse to work is not a socialist concept.

Firstly Norman, its a shame that you decided not to take my reply in the light-hearted spirit of my intent, and instead decided to dismiss any expression of solidarity in favour of entrenching your own presumptions about strangers whom you do not know.

Secondly, nobody here has posited that remark - which you nevertheless wish to rebuke. That's your imagined view of what we are saying, in spite of the clear words repeated here to the contrary.

The point is not so much that everyone deserves a house, or 'free money', whatever that is, it is that everyone is equally deserving of a level of dignity and respect which are manifestly and categorically denied under a capitalist system of economic governance.

In short, Margaret Cash is Not The Problem.

I don't care where you went on your holidays, or what you think about the laziest of Cubans. Kids are not to be punished for the poor choices of their parents; not under any contemporary socialist approach to human dignity, anyway.

lola85 · 21-09-2019 11:01pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Firstly Norman, its a shame that you decided not to take my reply in the light-hearted spirit of my intent, and instead decided to dismiss any expression of solidarity in favour of entrenching your own presumptions about strangers whom you do not know.

Secondly, nobody here has posited that remark - which you nevertheless wish to rebuke. That's your imagined view of what we are saying, in spite of the clear words repeated here to the contrary.

The point is not so much that everyone deserves a house, or 'free money', whatever that is, it is that everyone is equally deserving of a level of dignity and respect which are manifestly and categorically denied under a capitalist system of economic governance.

In short, Margaret Cash is Not The Problem.

I don't care where you went on your holidays, or what you think about the laziest of Cubans. Kids are not to be punished for the poor choices of their parents; not under any contemporary socialist approach to human dignity, anyway.

“Free Money” is exactly what it says.

Mrs Cash got money for doing nothing= free money.

End of.

You are making zero sense.

Ruraldweller56 · 21-09-2019 11:04pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Firstly Norman, its a shame that you decided not to take my reply in the light-hearted spirit of my intent, and instead decided to dismiss any expression of solidarity in favour of entrenching your own presumptions about strangers whom you do not know.

Secondly, nobody here has posited that remark - which you nevertheless wish to rebuke. That's your imagined view of what we are saying, in spite of the clear words repeated here to the contrary.

The point is not so much that everyone deserves a house, or 'free money', whatever that is, it is that everyone is equally deserving of a level of dignity and respect which are manifestly and categorically denied under a capitalist system of economic governance.

In short, Margaret Cash is Not The Problem.

I don't care where you went on your holidays, or what you think about the laziest of Cubans. Kids are not to be punished for the poor choices of their parents; not under any contemporary socialist approach to human dignity, anyway.

Sure twas only BaNtZ!

21-09-2019 11:04pm

lola85 wrote: »

“Free Money” is exactly what it says.

Mrs Cash got money for doing nothing= free money.

End of.

You are making zero sense.

The Marxist view of social welfare via direct financial transfers is essentially one of bribery. You don't have to agree, but the idea that socialists believe in unlimited free money is grossly misled. Read your political economy before accusing others of not making sense.

One More Toy · 21-09-2019 11:12pm

How many kids is my prsi funding for Ms Cash?

normanoffside · 21-09-2019 11:15pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I don't care where you went on your holidays, or what you think about the laziest of Cubans. Kids are not to be punished for the poor choices of their parents; not under any contemporary socialist approach to human dignity, anyway.

You're right,the kids are not at fault for their parents.
The parents should not be rewarded and the kids should be given a fair crack at at life .

Therefore Maggie shouldn't be allowed to have 7 kids that she can't look after properly. If she did have kids she can't look after, then the kids should be adopted out to people who can look after them.

She wouldn't be having them in the first place if it wasn't economically advantageous to be doing so.

Do You not get this? The system is at fault so the system needs to be changed.

Ruraldweller56 · 21-09-2019 11:16pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

The Marxist view of social welfare via direct financial transfers is essentially one of bribery. You don't have to agree, but the idea that socialists believe in unlimited free money is grossly misled. Read your political economy before accusing others of not making sense.

Grrrrr banks!!

Grrrrr bourgeois something!!

Materialism!!

One More Toy · 21-09-2019 11:17pm

normanoffside wrote: »

You're right,the kids are not at fault for their parents.
The parents should not be rewarded and the kids should be given a fair crack at at life .

Therefore Maggie shouldn't be allowed to have 7 kids that she can't look after properly. If she did have kids she can't look after, then the kids should be adopted out to people who can look after them.

She wouldn't be having them in the first place if it wasn't economically advantageous to be doing so.

Do You not get this? The system is at fault so the system needs to be changed.

7 fcukin kids??

Wonder what their school attendance is like.

Fcuk me 7 kids. All being maintained for free. While travellers push in our face how loaded they are when it comes to weddings and funerals.

No wonder people are angry!

normanoffside · 21-09-2019 11:19pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

The Marxist view of social welfare via direct financial transfers is essentially one of bribery. You don't have to agree, but the idea that socialists believe in unlimited free money is grossly misled. Read your political economy before accusing others of not making sense.

Marx believed in fair pay for work. You should be paid the actual value of your work

He also believed in no pay for no work.

You are off the mark. I believe you don't have clue

21-09-2019 11:21pm

One More Toy wrote: »

How many kids is my prsi funding for Ms Cash?

That depends on how your PRSI is charged, but a concise answer would be one fewer than Miriam O'Callaghan (no disrespect to either woman), mother of eight.

One More Toy · 21-09-2019 11:22pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

That depends on how your PRSI is charged, but a concise answer would be one fewer than Miriam O'Callaghan (no disrespect to either woman), mother of eight.

At least Miriam does a bit of work

Does cash really have a horse outside?

21-09-2019 11:27pm

One More Toy wrote: »

At least Miriam does a bit of work

How many people would be willing to offer work to a traveller with a criminal record?

I love to hear a reasonable Betty Crocker solution that some head-the-balls seem to believe exists.

Break up a family of seven kids and put them into state care?

Or try to provide some level of family integrity and compassion for a pretty horrific situation?

I wonder how many posters here were advocating "Love Both" in the recent past.

tuxy · 21-09-2019 11:28pm

One More Toy wrote: »

At least Miriam does a bit of work

Does cash really have a horse outside?

I know animal welfare standards can be low in this country but is this legal?

One More Toy · 21-09-2019 11:28pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

How many people would be willing to offer work to a traveller with a criminal record?

I love to hear a reasonable Betty Crocker solution that some head-the-balls seem to believe exists.

Break up a family of seven kids and put them into state care?

Or try to provide some level of family integrity and compassion for a pretty horrific situation?

I wonder how many posters here were advocating "Love Both" in the recent past.

It's her own fault she has a criminal record...

normanoffside · 21-09-2019 11:29pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

That depends on how your PRSI is charged, but a concise answer would be one fewer than Miriam O'Callaghan (no disrespect to either woman), mother of eight.

You don't see the difference between Miriam O'Callaghan and Margaret Cash?

I'll give you a clue, one has worked and paid taxes all her life, the other has never worked a day in her life and claims she is being robbed.

One More Toy · 21-09-2019 11:30pm

tuxy wrote: »

I know animal welfare standards can be low in this country but is this legal?

Fcuk me I've seen it all now.

21-09-2019 11:33pm

One More Toy wrote: »

It's her own fault she has a criminal record...

I am referring to her young children. Some of whom will probably be reading this thread in the not-too-distant-future.

tuxy · 21-09-2019 11:34pm

I'm sure the poor thing will have fun in a back garden in Tallaght when October 31st comes around.

tuxy · 21-09-2019 11:35pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I am referring to her young children. Some of whom will probably be reading this thread in the not-too-distant-future.

Not if she can remove them from school before their minds become corrupted by literature!

tayto lover · 21-09-2019 11:37pm

normanoffside wrote: »

You don't see the difference between Miriam O'Callaghan and Margaret Cash?

I'll give you a clue, one has worked and paid taxes all her life, the other has never worked a day in her life and claims she is being robbed.

Not much difference for me.

normanoffside · 21-09-2019 11:38pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I am referring to her young children. Some of whom will probably be reading this thread in the not-too-distant-future.

I hope your kids won't be reading this thread because they'd be embarrassed for you if they had any sense.

21-09-2019 11:38pm

tuxy wrote: »

Not if she can remove them from school before their minds become corrupted by literature!

What age are you please?

normanoffside · 21-09-2019 11:41pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

What age are you please?

He's 12 Tyrant. How old are you?

One More Toy · 21-09-2019 11:44pm

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

I am referring to her young children. Some of whom will probably be reading this thread in the not-too-distant-future.

That's if they stay in school long enough to read

One More Toy · 21-09-2019 11:47pm

tuxy wrote: »

I know animal welfare standards can be low in this country but is this legal?

Any more screenshots of her Facebook?

tuxy · 21-09-2019 11:56pm

One More Toy wrote: »

Any more screenshots of her Facebook?

That's the only picture of the pony in the back garden but I did find out a cemetery can be the perfect location for a birthday party!

tayto lover · 21-09-2019 11:57pm

tuxy wrote: »

That's the only picture of the pony in the back garden but I did find out a cemetery can be the perfect location for a birthday party!

Dead cool.

One More Toy · 21-09-2019 11:57pm

tuxy wrote: »

That's the only picture of the pony in the back garden but I did find out a cemetery can be the perfect location for a birthday party!

Future academics and ceos there

normanoffside · 22-09-2019 12:04am

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

How many people would be willing to offer work to a traveller with a criminal record?

Isn't it weird that all recent immigrants into Ireland - by that I mean African People, Eastern European people, Muslims, Asians, Italians, Spanish etc etc).....never complain about not being able to find a job in our country.

Yet our native people feel discriminated against when it comes to finding jobs...What a racist country we are when we give all our jobs to foreigners and not our own eh :rolleyes:

One More Toy · 22-09-2019 12:05am

normanoffside wrote: »

Isn't it weird that all recent immigrants into Ireland - by that I mean African People, Eastern European people, Muslims, Asians, Italians, Spanish etc etc).....never complain about not being able to find a job in our country.

Yet our native people feel discriminated against when it comes to finding jobs...What a racist country we are when we give all our jobs to foreigners and not our own eh :rolleyes:

Some of the hardest working people too might I add

dd973 · 22-09-2019 12:15am

Another thread jerking off about Travellers?, if you don't like them just avoid them, they really aren't that hard to avoid. Fact of the matter is if you were born one than you'd be the same as them.

One More Toy · 22-09-2019 12:17am

dd973 wrote: »

Another thread jerking off about Travellers?, if you don't like them just avoid them, they really aren't that hard to avoid. Fact of the matter is if you were born one than you'd be the same as them.

Hard to avoid when we're paying for their lifestyle

normanoffside · 22-09-2019 12:18am

One More Toy wrote: »

Some of the hardest working people too might I add

Yes, I agree that Immigrants are generally the most skilled and hardest workers in Ireland. When people say that immigrants are stealing jobs it's usually the likes of Cash who doesn't really want a job anyway.

end of the road · 22-09-2019 1:21am

normanoffside wrote: »

You're right,the kids are not at fault for their parents.
The parents should not be rewarded and the kids should be given a fair crack at at life .

Therefore Maggie shouldn't be allowed to have 7 kids that she can't look after properly. If she did have kids she can't look after, then the kids should be adopted out to people who can look after them.

She wouldn't be having them in the first place if it wasn't economically advantageous to be doing so.

Do You not get this? The system is at fault so the system needs to be changed.

yeah, the days of taking children because people don't like the parents are long gone. move on.
quite rightly, removing children is only reserved for actual legitimate reasons now days.
it's not possible to not allow miss cash or anyone to have children.

poisonated · 22-09-2019 1:31am

end of the road wrote: »

yeah, the days of taking children because people don't like the parents are long gone. move on.
quite rightly, removing children is only reserved for actual legitimate reasons now days.
it's not possible to not allow miss cash or anyone to have children.

Hmm... would have thought having 38 convictions would be a legitimate reason.... guess not

pgj2015 · 22-09-2019 4:58am

you know the way when you are unemployed and you get called in to the social welfare office ever few months to see how you are getting on finding a job. does this ever happen to travellers?

Kermit.de.frog · 22-09-2019 5:19am

In the United States Mrs Cash would be homeless on the streets (probably starved or frozen to death long before now)

No one would care.

Over there you don't get the luxury of sitting on your ass, pumping out kids and being paid for it.

You have to take responsibility for your lifestyle choice. And as a society they make bloody well sure you will take responsibility and no one else.

The Irish "left" will say it's too cruel a system. It's not cruel enough for this bottom feeder parasite.

We need that attitude here.

We need to call out these people for what they are. Cradle to grave dole has to end.

Rashers Big Log · 22-09-2019 8:22am

I’d still shag her

LuasSimon · 22-09-2019 8:59am

dd973 wrote: »

Another thread jerking off about Travellers?, if you don't like them just avoid them, they really aren't that hard to avoid. Fact of the matter is if you were born one than you'd be the same as them.

In rural Ireland they are very hard to avoid as they have are growing at a far greater rate than the non traveller population with their 7-8 children each . Plus they don’t emigrate or go to college etc . Get married at 18 and dole for life for ever unquestioned .
If you live in Donnybrook or Foxrock you won’t encounter them but for nearly everyone else there seems to be no escape from them

Odelay · 22-09-2019 9:20am

tuxy wrote: »

I know animal welfare standards can be low in this country but is this legal?

Looks like a pony foal. Not yet full developed, like a toddler. Lord help the poor thing.

One More Toy · 22-09-2019 9:50am

Odelay wrote: »

Looks like a pony foal. Not yet full developed, like a toddler. Lord help the poor thing.

At least it's got a trampoline

22-09-2019 9:59am

Odelay wrote: »

Looks like a pony foal. Not yet full developed, like a toddler. Lord help the poor thing.

Tis a “Shelton” pony, 9 months old.

punisher5112 · 22-09-2019 10:02am

How can she afford this.....

Oh yeah how silly of me a thieving thug of a husband and all the money the state gives to her from our hard earned taxes.....

un5byh7sqpd2x0 · 22-09-2019 10:05am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Tis a “Shelton” pony, 9 months old.

Shetland?

22-09-2019 10:27am

Micah Teeny Milkshake wrote: »

Shetland?

I imagine so. Big enough to pull a sulky.

22-09-2019 10:51am

normanoffside wrote: »

I've tried to cut out most of the rubbish.

Show me anything in socialist/marxist teaching which talks about pay without work. All Socialist economic theory talks about fair pay for labour of the worker.

I've been to Cuba under Castro and the health system and education was incredible. Everyone had a house and access to welfare, I have never seen a more healthy and well educated people.
However, everyone was expected to work to gain these benefits.

There were people who didn't want to work and they lived on the streets.

The idea that we should give benefits to people who refuse to work is not a socialist concept.

This.

It's not even socialism, it's creating a culture of dependency.

Orderofchaos · 22-09-2019 10:54am

One More Toy wrote: »

At least it's got a trampoline

"Neigh"bours will be thrilled!!!!

end of the road · 22-09-2019 1:10pm

Kermit.de.frog wrote: »

In the United States Mrs Cash would be homeless on the streets (probably starved or frozen to death long before now)

No one would care.

Over there you don't get the luxury of sitting on your ass, pumping out kids and being paid for it.

You have to take responsibility for your lifestyle choice. And as a society they make bloody well sure you will take responsibility and no one else.

The Irish "left" will say it's too cruel a system. It's not cruel enough for this bottom feeder parasite.

We need that attitude here.

We need to call out these people for what they are. Cradle to grave dole has to end.

it's not just the irish left who accept that the us way is a failure and a wasteful system which achieves nothing other then throwing away money, many irish centrists also accept it. probably most in fact, hence we don't have such a system.
the take responsibility for yourself and your life stance is very much in ireland, in the vast majority of the population in fact.

The_Kew_Tour · 22-09-2019 1:13pm

I think the amount of thanks the first half dozen posts or so got tells you all you need to know what people think about all this

One year on from Ms Cash's impassioned speech

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