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Travellers to be recognised as an ethnicicity tomorrow

  • 28-02-2017 8:44pm
    #1
    Dr Crayfish
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭


    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/politics/state-to-recognise-ethnicity-of-travellers-35490366.html

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  • #2
    Pkiernan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,310 ✭✭✭Pkiernan


    They should be recognised the day after tomorrow. ..on February 30th.


  • #3
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    Utterly ridiculous yet at the same time predictable virtue signalling from our politicians.


  • #4
    Donal55
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Donal55


    Tanks boss.


  • #5
    Cee-Jay-Cee
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    Does that mean crime is being legalised ??


  • #6
    eviltwin
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,495 ✭✭✭✭eviltwin


    Pkiernan wrote: »
    They should be recognised the day after tomorrow. ..on February 30th.

    Should wait till April 1st. What a complete joke.


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  • #7
    fiachr_a
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,204 ✭✭✭fiachr_a


    Will our Protestants be next?


  • #8
    Atlantic Dawn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 83,429 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    So let me get this straight, the Taoiseach can make the sole complex decision to recognize a group of people as a race but something much simpler like giving driving bans for drink driving requires a Dail vote?


  • #9
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Untouchable now

    FG are really finished in rural Ireland after this


  • #10
    jameorahiely
    Registered Users Posts: 825 ✭✭✭jameorahiely


    So are they not irish? Or are they not Caucasian ?


    What are they then?


  • #11
    Tipsy McSwagger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,068 ✭✭✭Tipsy McSwagger


    They should be recognised as a group who go around robbing and beating up old people, animal abusers, violent thugs, tax dodging, smelly inbred scum that they are.


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  • #12
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »
    Does that mean crime is being legalised ??

    Pretty much. It will mean they can just park up into any field beside an estate and say tough ****. Nobody will be able to move them because it will be racist.


  • #13
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,637 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I'm as far from being a bleeding heart liberal as you'll find.

    Travellers ARE an ethnic group.

    Understand it, before you facepalm it.


  • #14
    Armchair Andy
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,847 ✭✭✭Armchair Andy


    How will they be assessed for taxes? Most I know are entrepreneurial.


  • #15
    Donal55
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Donal55


    jameorahiely wrote: »
    So are they not irish? Or are they not Caucasian ?


    What are they then?

    Basque or Tunisian?
    Ask Enda.


  • #16
    pablomakaveli
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,752 ✭✭✭pablomakaveli


    JayZeus wrote: »

    Travellers ARE an ethnic group.

    They're not though. Not really.


  • #17
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Can Filibusters be used in the Dail? This has to be stopped.


  • #18
    Shenshen
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,453 ✭✭✭Shenshen


    Ok, and then what? What will that change?


  • #19
    Donal55
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Donal55


    Rathkeale has just been swapped with Ailesbury Rd on the Monopoly board.


  • #20
    SEPT 23 1989
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 43,028 ✭✭✭✭SEPT 23 1989


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Can Filibusters be used in the Dail? This has to be stopped.

    Any politican who speaks up against this will have a seat for life


  • #21
    Beanntraigheach
    Registered Users Posts: 789 ✭✭✭Beanntraigheach


    Travellers are ethnically Irish.
    They should be attempting to integrate them into ordinary society, not labelling them as a distinct "ethnicity" on account of their lifestyle choices.


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  • #22
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Shenshen wrote: »
    Ok, and then what? What will that change?

    Evidently something catastrophic. Judging by the reaction of some here.


  • #23
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,637 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    pablomakaveli wrote: »
    They're not though. Not really.

    Wrong.

    Ethnicity and Race are not the same thing.

    Travellers are most certainly an ethnic group.

    You might not like it, but that's the truth.


  • #24
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,569 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    pablomakaveli wrote: »
    They're not though. Not really.

    According to geneticists they're as different to settled Irish people as Spanish people are.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • #25
    Dr Crayfish
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭Dr Crayfish


    Well what next? Should we recognise young offenders with 100 convictions as an ethnicicity as they all wear grey tracksuit bottoms?


  • #26
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    There will be quotas brought in. Every company that employs over 100 staff will have to employ a traveller. I guarentee something like that will happen.


  • #27
    Donal55
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Donal55


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    There will be quotas brought in. Every company that employs over 100 staff will have to employ a traveller. I guarentee something like that will happen.

    Intel is packing up as we speak.


  • #28
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,569 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    There will be quotas brought in. Every company that employs over 100 staff will have to employ a traveller. I guarentee something like that will happen.

    That's delusional. There are no ethnic minority quotas in Ireland for Christ sake.

    Travellers are an ethnic minority. Big ****ing whoop. Why do people care so much?

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • #29
    D0NNELLY
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭D0NNELLY


    Corkonians will be next


  • #30
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    There will be quotas brought in. Every company that employs over 100 staff will have to employ a traveller. I guarentee something like that will happen.

    Has it happened in NI?

    What is your guarantee based on?


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  • #31
    Dr Crayfish
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,960 ✭✭✭Dr Crayfish


    Brian? wrote: »
    That's delusional. There are no ethnic minority quotas in Ireland for Christ sake.

    Travellers are an ethnic minority. Big ****ing whoop. Why do people care so much?

    I care because this may give some of the most dangerous people in Ireland even more leeway than they have already


  • #32
    Donal55
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Donal55


    Brian? wrote: »
    That's delusional. There are no ethnic minority quotas in Ireland for Christ sake.

    Travellers are an ethnic minority. Big ****ing whoop. Why do people care so much?

    This is AH.


  • #33
    Donal55
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,023 ✭✭✭Donal55


    D0NNELLY wrote: »
    Corkonians will be next

    Racist.


  • #34
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Dr Crayfish wrote: »
    I care because this may give some of the most dangerous people in Ireland even more leeway than they have already

    How exactly?

    Will they be immune from prosecution?

    What's the connection between your perception of them as "dangerous people" and recognition as an ethnic group?


  • #35
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Brian? wrote: »
    That's delusional. There are no ethnic minority quotas in Ireland for Christ sake.

    Travellers are an ethnic minority. Big ****ing whoop. Why do people care so much?

    None of the other actual ethnic minorities are of Irish Origin though. These are a different. There is absolutly no doubt that they will bring in some sort of quotas for Travellers.

    Look what happened to the BBC??? and RTE are going down that route too. That John Connors nutter has a new programme nearly every month. It will happen, wait and you see.


  • #36
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,569 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Dr Crayfish wrote: »
    I care because this may give some of the most dangerous people in Ireland even more leeway than they have already

    It won't give anyone any leeway. Have some sense.

    I'm not even getting into the blatant bigotry here. I'm sticking to the logical fallacy that an ethnic minority will get special treatment. They won't. They're getting recognised as an ethnic minority, end of story.

    Jesus wept, some people will find any excuse to be outraged. And it's the left who get grief.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




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  • #37
    Delacent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 214 ✭✭Delacent


    Before the good-doers get on board, here's a verifiable fact from cso and prison service.

    Travellers represent LESS THAN 0.5% of the population.

    They represent 14% of the adult male prison population.

    They represent 21% of the adult female prison population.


  • #38
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    Look what happened to the BBC??? and RTE are going down that route too. That John Connors nutter has a new programme nearly every month. It will happen, wait and you see.

    Hands up, this is a new one on me.

    Is the BBC now rammed with travellers? Trying to think of any shows they present.


  • #39
    Brian?
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators Posts: 21,569 Mod ✭✭✭✭Brian?


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    None of the other actual ethnic minorities are of Irish Origin though. These are a different. There is absolutly no doubt that they will bring in some sort of quotas for Travellers.

    Look what happened to the BBC??? and RTE are going down that route too. That John Connors nutter has a new programme nearly every month. It will happen, wait and you see.

    What are you on about? There will not be quotas for ethnic minorities. Ever.

    they/them/theirs


    And so on, and so on …. - Slavoj Žižek




  • #40
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Delacent wrote: »
    Before the good-doers get on board, here's a verifiable fact from cso and prison service.

    Travellers represent LESS THAN 0.5% of the population.

    They represent 14% of the adult male prison population.

    They represent 21% of the adult female prison population.

    It is true that they face certain issues, like black people in the States they have higher crime rates and form a greater portion of the prison population. But in the States they don't conclude that "thus, black people are bad". Poverty, discrimination and deprivation may be factors.


  • #41
    D0NNELLY
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭D0NNELLY


    Donal55 wrote: »
    Racist.

    That they are. All of them.


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  • #42
    Sleeper12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,155 ✭✭✭✭Sleeper12


    It's about time. They are nothing like me


  • #43
    D0NNELLY
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,387 ✭✭✭D0NNELLY


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It is true that they face certain issues, like black people in the States they have higher crime rates and form a greater portion of the prison population. But in the States they don't conclude that "thus, black people are bad". Poverty, discrimination and deprivation may be factors.

    You haven't had many dealings with them, have you?


  • #44
    me_irl
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,400 ✭✭✭me_irl


    Delacent wrote: »
    Before the good-doers get on board, here's a verifiable fact from cso and prison service.

    Travellers represent LESS THAN 0.5% of the population.

    They represent 14% of the adult male prison population.

    They represent 21% of the adult female prison population.

    I don't mean to be persnickety (nor do I disagree), but can you cite the sources on these figures?


  • #45
    Richard Hillman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,033 ✭✭✭✭Richard Hillman


    Brian? wrote: »
    What are you on about? There will not be quotas for ethnic minorities. Ever.

    The idea has already been muted by a minister at the time.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0616/132277-travellers/


    They will do it in state bodies first and then it will move to private sector. It is a banker that it will happen eventually. It is already happening in Britain.


  • #46
    abdulabduler
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 23 ✭abdulabduler


    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    It is true that they face certain issues, like black people in the States they have higher crime rates and form a greater portion of the prison population. But in the States they don't conclude that "thus, black people are bad". Poverty, discrimination and deprivation may be factors.


    Except 99% of them bad, harassing innicents and robbing everything in sight.


  • #47
    Flint Fredstone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,519 ✭✭✭Flint Fredstone


    They are all going to be released from the prisons under the Pancake Tuesday Agreement.


  • #48
    Omackeral
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,956 ✭✭✭✭Omackeral


    Tipsy McSwagger wrote: »
    They should be recognised as a group who go around robbing and beating up old people, animal abusers, violent thugs, tax dodging, smelly inbred scum that they are.

    Step up, Ladies and Gentlemen, step up! Place your bets! Will it be a mellow yellow or a dead red?!? Who knows!!! Lay down your wagers..... NOW!!!!


  • #49
    pablomakaveli
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,752 ✭✭✭pablomakaveli


    JayZeus wrote: »
    Wrong.

    Ethnicity and Race are not the same thing.

    Travellers are most certainly an ethnic group.

    You might not like it, but that's the truth.

    I'm well aware of the classifications for ethnicity.

    They speak the same language and have the same religion as Irish people. They're not regionally exclusive either. That said the UN's guidelines are very vague anyway and any group could realistically class themselves as an ethnic minority according to those.

    The focus should be integrating them with their fellow Irish men and women. Not ring fencing them off encouraging their mostly negative behaviour.


  • #50
    RayM
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,973 ✭✭✭RayM


    Omackeral wrote: »
    Step up, Ladies and Gentlemen, step up! Place your bets! Will it be a mellow yellow or a dead red?!? Who knows!!! Lay down your wagers..... NOW!!!!

    People have been banned for a lot less...


  • #51
    NIMAN
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 33,997 ✭✭✭✭NIMAN


    Richard Hillman wrote: »
    The idea has already been muted by a minister at the time.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0616/132277-travellers/


    They will do it in state bodies first and then it will move to private sector. It is a banker that it will happen eventually. It is already happening in Britain.

    I'm surprised they are interested in taking up paid employment, and actually paying taxes.


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