British monarch references painted over on street signs.

ohnonotgmail · 08-02-2017 3:24pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

:D Hilarious. I have clearly said what I 'find' about these acts. Ridiculous jump to a conclusion made, yet again.

as weasily an answer as ever.

FrancieBrady · 08-02-2017 3:30pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

as weasily an answer as ever.

I am waiting for you to prove what you said. It should be easy, just cut and paste where I condoned or appreciated these acts.

Would you define somebody who is unable to admit they are wrong and who keeps on trying to infer something that is simply not there, as 'weasily'?

ohnonotgmail · 08-02-2017 3:46pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I am waiting for you to prove what you said. It should be easy, just cut and paste where I condoned or appreciated these acts.

Would you define somebody who is unable to admit they are wrong and who keeps on trying to infer something that is simply not there, as 'weasily'?

shall we go around in circles again? you dismissed it as physical trolling. placed it in the same league as idiots painting over road signs. and i never said you condoned or appreciated the act. stop moving the goalposts.

FrancieBrady · 08-02-2017 4:47pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

shall we go around in circles again? you dismissed it as physical trolling. placed it in the same league as idiots painting over road signs. and i never said you condoned or appreciated the act. stop moving the goalposts.

I 'called' it physical trolling. That isn't dismissing it. :rolleyes: Good lord are you that desperate to be offended/outraged?

ohnonotgmail · 08-02-2017 4:54pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I 'called' it physical trolling. That isn't dismissing it. :rolleyes: Good lord are you that desperate to be offended/outraged?

around and around and around we go.

FrancieBrady · 08-02-2017 4:58pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

around and around and around we go.

...and back to you getting caught out,
Post the sentence where I condoned this, or think it is a good thing.

*awaits some deflecting slur or more faux outrage.

ohnonotgmail · 08-02-2017 5:00pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

...and back to you getting caught out,
Post the sentence where I condoned this, or think it is a good thing.

*awaits some deflecting slur or more faux outrage.

quote the post where i said you condoned it or thought it was a good thing? According to your rules i have to have used those exact words. No inference is allowed. Do you see how tedious your debating style is?

FrancieBrady · 08-02-2017 5:03pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

quote the post where i said you condoned it or thought it was a good thing? According to your rules i have to have used those exact words. No inference is allowed. Do you see how tedious your debating style is?

ohnonotgmail wrote:

it is clear that you find the act acceptable so i will leave it here.

'Tedious' that you keep putting your foot in it? :rolleyes:

ohnonotgmail · 08-02-2017 5:08pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

'Tedious' that you keep putting your foot in it? :rolleyes:

No, it needs to be an exact quote as per your own rules. you cant expect other people to stick to your debating rules if you dont do so yourself.

FrancieBrady · 08-02-2017 5:11pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

No, it needs to be an exact quote as per your own rules. you cant expect other people to stick to your debating rules if you dont do so yourself.

Jesus. Unbelievable squirming or weasling.

Keep digging if you get a kick from it.

ohnonotgmail · 08-02-2017 5:13pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Jesus. Unbelievable squirming or weasling.

Keep digging if you get a kick from it.

and keep on deflecting.

Boom_Bap · 08-02-2017 5:14pm

or don't post

Seriously, ohnonotgmail and FrancieBrady, give it a rest.

maryishere · 08-02-2017 8:25pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Did I say it was right?

Do you condemn the bombing of Nelsons Pillar in O'Connell st so? Or is it like all Republican bombings, you refuse to condemn it?

LordSutch · 08-02-2017 8:31pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You CANNOT build an empire on the scale of the British one without plundering the lands that you take.
From Elizabeth 1 through James 1 and all the way to the end, the goal was to bring Ireland to heel and align it with England's (Churchill's Motherland) economic needs.

Ireland 'as part of this group of islands' was always bound to be involved in Empire building one way or another. Would have been strange if it hadn't been at the heart of it in the 1800s ....

Roman Empire = Good.
Austro Hungarian Empire = Good.
Mongol Empire = Good.
Ottoman Empire = Good.
Portuguese Empire = Good.
French Empire = Good.
Russian Empire = Good.
Spanish Empire = Good.
Klingon Empire = Good.

British Empire = Bad.
Which is a shame, seeing as the Irish were so heavily involved in building it.

FrancieBrady · 08-02-2017 8:35pm

LordSutch wrote: »

Ireland 'as part of this group of islands' was always bound to be involved in Empire building one way or another. Would have been strange if it hadn't.

Roman Empire = Good.
Austro Hungarian Empire = Good.
Mongol Empire = Good.
Ottoman Empire = Good.
Portuguese Empire = Good.
French Empire = Good.
Russian Empire = Good.
Spanish Empire = Good.
Klingon Empire = Good.

British Empire = Bad.
Which is a shame, seeing the Irish were so heavily involved in building it.

You claim all the others were 'good'? I am sure those subjugated and resource stripped would probably disagree.

And just because it was 'inevitable' doesn't make it a 'good' thing. Wind and rain are inevitable.

Jawgap · 08-02-2017 10:37pm

LordSutch wrote: »

Ireland 'as part of this group of islands' was always bound to be involved in Empire building one way or another. Would have been strange if it hadn't been at the heart of it in the 1800s ....

Roman Empire = Good.
Austro Hungarian Empire = Good.
Mongol Empire = Good.
Ottoman Empire = Good.
Portuguese Empire = Good.
French Empire = Good.
Russian Empire = Good.
Spanish Empire = Good.
Klingon Empire = Good.

British Empire = Bad.
Which is a shame, seeing as the Irish were so heavily involved in building it.

They do say, of India, that what Clive won and Hastings consolidated, Wellesley (a good Meath man) turned into an empire!

FrancieBrady · 08-02-2017 11:24pm

Jawgap wrote: »

They do say, of India, that what Clive won and Hastings consolidated, Wellesley (a good Meath man) turned into an empire!

Born and bred like 99.9% of other Meath men, no doubt.

Irish Guitarist · 09-02-2017 2:07am

If they care that much they should come up with their own street name, put it on a sign and replace the old one with it.

Jawgap · 09-02-2017 4:22am

Irish Guitarist wrote: »

If they care that much they should come up with their own street name, put it on a sign and replace the old one with it.

Hang on?????

That would mean PAYING for something.......paying :eek:

Shinners, "true" republicans, "good" republicans etc don't pay......they get the rest of us to pay.......while the magic money trees are growing.

FrancieBrady · 09-02-2017 9:02am

Jawgap wrote: »

......they get the rest of us to pay.......

Nah, that would be somebody else.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/42-of-europes-banking-crisis-paid-by-ireland-219703.html

VinLieger · 09-02-2017 9:23am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Nah, that would be somebody else.

http://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/42-of-europes-banking-crisis-paid-by-ireland-219703.html

Whos deflecting now????

FrancieBrady · 09-02-2017 9:58am

VinLieger wrote: »

Whos deflecting now????

Me.
Just responding to the introduction of another favourite trope of those who have run out of anything to say.

Happy to get back on topic though.

Cortina_MK_IV · 09-02-2017 1:19pm

Jawgap wrote: »

Hang on?????

That would mean PAYING for something.......paying :eek:

Shinners, "true" republicans, "good" republicans etc don't pay......they get the rest of us to pay.......while the magic money trees are growing.

I vote Sinn Féin and I'm into my 38th year of paying taxes. That's quite a bit of paying. Don't let facts get in the way of tired old generalisations though eh.

indioblack · 09-02-2017 10:21pm

LordSutch wrote: »

Ireland 'as part of this group of islands' was always bound to be involved in Empire building one way or another. Would have been strange if it hadn't been at the heart of it in the 1800s ....

Roman Empire = Good.
Austro Hungarian Empire = Good.
Mongol Empire = Good.
Ottoman Empire = Good.
Portuguese Empire = Good.
French Empire = Good.
Russian Empire = Good.
Spanish Empire = Good.
Klingon Empire = Good.

British Empire = Bad.
Which is a shame, seeing as the Irish were so heavily involved in building it.

The Kilngon Empire was awesome - lasted until the 24th century.

Junkyard Tom · 10-02-2017 2:59am

Jawgap wrote: »

while the magic money trees are growing.

When you get the chance you should educate yourself a little on money creation. You'll learn there is indeed a 'magic money tree'. You've probably heard of the term 'quantitative easing'. They've been harvesting magic money trees to the tune of hundreds of billions of €/$/£ since 2008 (and before).

Jawgap · 10-02-2017 6:56am

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

When you get the chance you should educate yourself a little on money creation. You'll learn there is indeed a 'magic money tree'. You've probably heard of the term 'quantitative easing'. They've been harvesting magic money trees to the tune of hundreds of billions of €/$/£ since 2008 (and before).

No, need. My economics lecturer some time ago was someone who oversaw the creation (and destruction) of balances for a major non-Euro area European Central Bank. In effect, before he retired, he controlled the money supply for a country.

His lectures were both terrifying and fascinating (in as much as economics lectures can be either).......and this was before QE.

topmanamillion · 10-02-2017 7:35am

LordSutch wrote: »

Ireland 'as part of this group of islands' was always bound to be involved in Empire building one way or another. Would have been strange if it hadn't been at the heart of it in the 1800s ....

Roman Empire = Good.
Austro Hungarian Empire = Good.
Mongol Empire = Good.
Ottoman Empire = Good.
Portuguese Empire = Good.
French Empire = Good.
Russian Empire = Good.
Spanish Empire = Good.
Klingon Empire = Good.

British Empire = Bad.
Which is a shame, seeing as the Irish were so heavily involved in building it.

The Roman empire subjugated large portions of the known world. This oppression of people led to the invention of Christianity in Israel as a means of escapism i.e there`s historical evidence that the oppression of Israel led to an environment where monotheism and the relaxing of some off putting Jewish practices such as circumcision prospered. Jesus is thought to be a mythicized combination of a number of prominent holy men of the time.Then the vast Roman empire was the vehicle to carry it around the world. This popularity gave status to Israel which otherwise would have been another Roman outpost. However I digress.
The point I was trying to make here was Rome subjugated Israel in the same way Britain subjugated Ireland. Ireland was never an equal member of the union.

More than any other empire Britain has serious blood on its hands. At a minimum it was negligible in its duty of care to Ireland during the famine, at worst it was outright genocidal. Here was a British state who's citizens were allowed to starve to death while its food was exported by the shipload to feed the mainland British population and maintain the grand diets of landed gentry. Even by the standard of the 1800s, other nations were appalled.

The same absence of duty was evident in the 1960s when nationalists/Catholics were left to live in squallier with basic rights to among other things housing and employment denied to them in an apartheid state ruled by unionists.
This culminated in the civil rights marches and ultimately a bloody 30 year war.

Idealistic imperial thinking which culminated in Britain leaving the EU clearly shows that Britain has not learnt from its history.

Also, Who thinks the Russian empire was good? I suggest you visit eastern Europe and speak with natives in some of those countries. Be sure to speak loudly in a crowded area when you say the Russian empire was good.

FrancieBrady · 10-02-2017 9:22am

Jawgap wrote: »

No, need. My economics lecturer some time ago was someone who oversaw the creation (and destruction) of balances for a major non-Euro area European Central Bank. In effect, before he retired, he controlled the money supply for a country.

His lectures were both terrifying and fascinating (in as much as economics lectures can be either).......and this was before QE.

But do you understand that QE is the physical manifestation of 'the magic money tree' and the UK central bank has been doing it? Here's a wee refresher course for you:

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-15198789

Then in August 2016, the Bank of England said it would buy £60bn of UK government bonds and £10bn of corporate bonds, amid uncertainty over the Brexit process and worries about productivity and economic growth.

Funny I don't see the dastardly Republicans/Sinn Fein mentioned in that at all.

Jawgap · 10-02-2017 9:30am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

But do you understand that QE is the physical manifestation of 'the magic money tree' and the UK central bank has been doing it? Here's a wee refresher course for you:

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-15198789

Funny I don't see the dastardly Republicans/Sinn Fein mentioned in that at all.

Well no. Central banks have always used various means to control both the supply of money and the velocity with which it circulates. QE is just an extreme and rarely used example of that.

The Shinners Magic Money Tree is a bit like painting over road signs - they hypothecate income streams to a multiplicity of policy areas and hope we forget (or are as dumb as their supporters) the previous iterations that their most recent hypothecations have painted over. In other words, assuming that fiscal revenues are like a tree that can be coppiced.

FrancieBrady · 10-02-2017 9:37am

Jawgap wrote: »

Well no. Central banks have always used various means to control both the supply of money and the velocity with which it circulates. QE is just an extreme and rarely used example of that.

The Shinners Magic Money Tree is a bit like painting over road signs - they hypothecate income streams to a multiplicity of policy areas and hope we forget (or are as dumb as their supporters) the previous iterations that their most recent hypothecations have painted over. In other words, assuming that fiscal revenues are like a tree that can be coppiced.

Well I can show with links that QE is neither 'rare' and has been used by countries to shore up otherwise failing entities.
Can you show us links that illustrate your point? Like budgets that haven't been costed?

Jawgap · 10-02-2017 9:44am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Well I can show with links that QE is neither 'rare' and has been used by countries to shore up otherwise failing entities.
Can you show us links that illustrate your point? Like budgets that haven't been costed?

Oh, let's not wander too far of the road indicated by the painted over sign.

if you want to discuss this open a thread in the appropriate forum and I'll be along directly - assuming the way there hasn't also been painted over.

FrancieBrady · 10-02-2017 9:46am

Jawgap wrote: »

Oh, let's not wander too far of the road indicated by the painted over sign.

if you want to discuss this open a thread in the appropriate forum and I'll be along directly - assuming the way there hasn't also been painted over.

So not prepared to back up what you are saying again while others are. Falling back on old tropes and cliches. Clear as day what is going on, regardless of the whitewash.

Fratton Fred · 10-02-2017 9:59am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Well I can show with links that QE is neither 'rare' and has been used by countries to shore up otherwise failing entities.
Can you show us links that illustrate your point? Like budgets that haven't been costed?

QE is a sign of a failing entity?

Anyway, on your last point, have a read of this piece of comedy http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/2011/SF_GeneralElectionManifesto2011.pdf

Jawgap · 10-02-2017 10:01am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So not prepared to back up what you are saying again while others are. Falling back on old tropes and cliches. Clear as day what is going on, regardless of the whitewash.

Yeah.....just not in this thread. Not really on topic is it?

.....and just because it's a cliché, doesn' make it untrue

FrancieBrady · 10-02-2017 10:23am

Fratton Fred wrote: »

QE is a sign of a failing entity?

Anyway, on your last point, have a read of this piece of comedy http://www.sinnfein.ie/files/2011/SF_GeneralElectionManifesto2011.pdf

Just because you find it comedic is not enough though, as you are disposed to finding anything from the republican community comedic.
How does it differ from the policies of the governments who wrecked the country financially is what we are looking for.

Fratton Fred · 10-02-2017 10:33am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Just because you find it comedic is not enough though, as you are disposed to finding anything from the republican community comedic.

Wat's a republican community? is there some sort of republican Kibbutz out in Louth somewhere?

in fairness, there is plenty of things within the republican movement that can be taken the piss out of, because they have so many bat**** crazy (and in a lot of cases, seriously deludeed) supporters.[/quote]

FrancieBrady wrote: »

How does it differ from the policies of the governments who wrecked the country financially is what we are looking for.

it differs in that most parties come out with manifestos that whilst flawed, are at least an attempt in putting forward a serious economic plan. That manifesto was just a desperate attempt to grab a few populist votes from anyone too dim to see through the millions of holes. Such as there not actually being €7bn in the pension pot, for example.

FrancieBrady · 10-02-2017 10:48am

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Wat's a republican community? is there some sort of republican Kibbutz out in Louth somewhere?

in fairness, there is plenty of things within the republican movement that can be taken the piss out of, because they have so many bat**** crazy (and in a lot of cases, seriously deludeed) supporters.

Aw Fred, must we play the silly game all the time?

it differs in that most parties come out with manifestos that whilst flawed, are at least an attempt in putting forward a serious economic plan. That manifesto was just a desperate attempt to grab a few populist votes from anyone too dim to see through the millions of holes. Such as there not actually being €7bn in the pension pot, for example.

Would it be similar to 'fiscal space'?

The fact is they are no different to the rest of our political parties unfortunately.
I would not be an advocate of SF economic policy but then I don't see any political party that has ever gotten it right, and some political parties have all the experience to get at least close to it, but have failed again and again, ending in almost collapsing the state.

Junkyard Tom · 10-02-2017 5:42pm

Jawgap wrote: »

No, need.

Then that just displays the stupidity/futility of your 'magic money tree/SF/Republicans' post seeing as you're aware there is a 'magic money tree' - for private banks at least.

As you were.

Jawgap · 10-02-2017 6:33pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

Then that just displays the stupidity/futility of your 'magic money tree/SF/Republicans' post seeing as you're aware there is a 'magic money tree' - for private banks at least.

As you were.

Well, no. You'll see that I clearly distinguish between the concepts that animate central banks' monetary policy and the inability of Shinners to grasp the idea that when you spend a Euro, it's gone - it isn't magically replaced to be spent again......and again.....and again. Unless the Shinners are going to take us out of the Euro, and make our central bank subservient to the whim of the politicians......the Shinners won't appreciate this because they've failed to get into government, but such an approach has, historically speaking, led to sub-optimal outcomes

Del.Monte · 10-02-2017 6:48pm

Junkyard Tom · 10-02-2017 6:49pm

Jawgap wrote: »

Well, no. You'll see that I clearly distinguish between the concepts that animate central banks' monetary policy and the inability of Shinners to grasp the idea that when you spend a Euro, it's gone - it isn't magically replaced to be spent again......and again.....and again.

I'm not familiar with SF's economic policies but I daresay they're as good at basic arithmetic as you, well done.

Unless the Shinners are going to take us out of the Euro, and make our central bank subservient to the whim of the politicians......

Oh I'm fully aware that SF are no different to the other gutless wonders when it comes to toeing the line for the 'masters of mankind'.

Jawgap · 10-02-2017 7:00pm

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

I'm not familiar with SF's economic policies but I daresay they're as good at basic arithmetic as you, well done.

Oh I'm fully aware that SF are no different to the other gutless wonders when it comes to toeing the line for the 'masters of mankind'.

God, I hope not or we'll be goosed if they ever get into power.

Sure I'd wouldn't even be in the same league as, Pearse Doherty, the Shinner financial wizard......after all.....

Doherty’s is a self-taught financial mind. He always had a head for figures, he says – his first year maths teacher barely beat him in an algebra match – and he reads voraciously.

.....I'm rubbish at algebra

Dr Crayfish · 10-02-2017 7:06pm

Why does anyone care? We get along with the Brits now don't we? I've never lived in a more welcoming country.
Does anyone really think that if Ireland was a vastly superior power to Britain, with a much larger population, we wouldn't have taken their land? It's human nature, the only reason Europe is at peace now is because we're all so rich.

LordSutch · 10-02-2017 8:18pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

Ignorant tosspot in a hat....

Off to the dole office with ya.

FrancieBrady · 10-02-2017 8:46pm

Jawgap wrote: »

Well, no. You'll see that I clearly distinguish between the concepts that animate central banks' monetary policy and the inability of Shinners to grasp the idea that when you spend a Euro, it's gone - it isn't magically replaced to be spent again......and again.....and again. Unless the Shinners are going to take us out of the Euro, and make our central bank subservient to the whim of the politicians......the Shinners won't appreciate this because they've failed to get into government, but such an approach has, historically speaking, led to sub-optimal outcomes

So if I pay a euro in tax, which a customer gave me- because he got it in his wages etc. it is gone???
There's your problem in the HSE right there. Top of the economic class Jawgap!

topmanamillion · 10-02-2017 8:46pm

Del.Monte wrote: »

Decent photo for the next crime call.
There are democratic ways of bringing about change as opposed to buying a bucket of black paint and a paint brush.
I`m not even sure that he`s achieving his own goal of blocking out the name.
I`d still be able to make out the street name.

Jawgap · 10-02-2017 9:01pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

So if I pay a euro in tax, which a customer gave me- because he got it in his wages etc. it is gone???
There's your problem in the HSE right there. Top of the economic class Jawgap!

Eh, no. You do no the difference between fiscal and commercial contexts?

The two are not inter-changeable. You can't paint one over the other, or rather you can if you're a Shinner but it doesn't change the underlying fundamentals

FrancieBrady · 10-02-2017 11:26pm

Jawgap wrote: »

Eh, no. You do no the difference between fiscal and commercial contexts?

The two of not inter-changeable. You can't paint one over the other, or rather you can if you're a Shinner but it doesn't change the underlying fundamentals

Magic money trees, disappearing euros? It's like a Harry Potter film.

Jawgap · 10-02-2017 11:43pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Magic money trees, disappearing euros? It's like a Harry Potter film.

Well to paraphrase Arthur C Clarke.....Any sufficiently advanced economic concept is indistinguishable from magic......for some

A Little Pony · 10-02-2017 11:44pm

topmanamillion wrote: »

LordSutch wrote: »

Ireland 'as part of this group of islands' was always bound to be involved in Empire building one way or another. Would have been strange if it hadn't been at the heart of it in the 1800s ....

Roman Empire = Good.
Austro Hungarian Empire = Good.
Mongol Empire = Good.
Ottoman Empire = Good.
Portuguese Empire = Good.
French Empire = Good.
Russian Empire = Good.
Spanish Empire = Good.
Klingon Empire = Good.

British Empire = Bad.
Which is a shame, seeing as the Irish were so heavily involved in building it.

The Roman empire subjugated large portions of the known world. This oppression of people led to the invention of Christianity in Israel as a means of escapism i.e there`s historical evidence that the oppression of Israel led to an environment where monotheism and the relaxing of some off putting Jewish practices such as circumcision prospered. Jesus is thought to be a mythicized combination of a number of prominent holy men of the time.Then the vast Roman empire was the vehicle to carry it around the world. This popularity gave status to Israel which otherwise would have been another Roman outpost. However I digress.
The point I was trying to make here was Rome subjugated Israel in the same way Britain subjugated Ireland. Ireland was never an equal member of the union.

More than any other empire Britain has serious blood on its hands. At a minimum it was negligible in its duty of care to Ireland during the famine, at worst it was outright genocidal. Here was a British state who's citizens were allowed to starve to death while its food was exported by the shipload to feed the mainland British population and maintain the grand diets of landed gentry. Even by the standard of the 1800s, other nations were appalled.

The same absence of duty was evident in the 1960s when nationalists/Catholics were left to live in squallier with basic rights to among other things housing and employment denied to them in an apartheid state ruled by unionists.
This culminated in the civil rights marches and ultimately a bloody 30 year war.

Idealistic imperial thinking which culminated in Britain leaving the EU clearly shows that Britain has not learnt from its history.

Also, Who thinks the Russian empire was good? I suggest you visit eastern Europe and speak with natives in some of those countries. Be sure to speak loudly in a crowded area when you say the Russian empire was good.

The Roman Empire was ultimately a great thing for the world.

British monarch references painted over on street signs.

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