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So I'm going to live in the woods.

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  • #52
    wolfeye
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 428 ✭✭wolfeye


    Property Tax

    Municipalities in Norway are entitled to impose a tax on real estate property located in their jurisdiction. The tax is levied at the assessed value of the property, which is about 20% to 50% of the property’s market value. Property tax rates range from 0.2% to 0.7%, depending on the municipality.

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  • #53
    Labarbapostiza
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 963 ✭✭✭Labarbapostiza


    Tabnabs wrote: »
    An interesting question, I don't honestly know, but yes this particular smallholding is still registered as a farm according to the advert.

    My main concern would be if that 40k in "benefits" would be wiped out by a 40k property/land/fresh-air tax ;)


    I don't really know the story. I have two Norwegian friends who both own farms, but they're cagey on what the actual deal is. A thing is these farms can be incredibly remote. "no one for miles" is not an overstatement. I do know Norwegians buy these small holdings to get the grant, but many may not be able to stick living in remote areas. I know my friends can't.

    Norway's oil makes much of the rest of their economy uncompetitive, which leads to unemployment. So they do things like buying Anders Breivik a farm and giving him cash to farm it......Which he spent on guns and used the fertilizer to make a bomb.


  • #54
    Recondite49
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭Recondite49


    chopper6 wrote: »
    Off the grid living and bringing a kindle...jesus wept.

    Hey. hey don't hate the Kindle - mine is solar powered, it's legit! :)


  • #55
    Khannie
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 37,485 ✭✭✭✭Khannie


    Recondite49 wrote: »
    Hey. hey don't hate the Kindle - mine is solar powered, it's legit! :)

    I think ebooks are perfect for off the grid living. Hundreds of books in a tiny space. Uses virtually no power. Easily charged with a small solar panel.


  • #56
    Recondite49
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭Recondite49


    Khannie wrote: »
    I think ebooks are perfect for off the grid living. Hundreds of books in a tiny space. Uses virtually no power. Easily charged with a small solar panel.

    Provided you have a spare Kindle or two, I think you'll be OK. :)


  • #57
    Pat Mustard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    Khannie wrote: »
    I think ebooks are perfect for off the grid living. Hundreds of books in a tiny space. Uses virtually no power. Easily charged with a small solar panel.

    Yep.

    Also, the old Kindle Keyboard 3g had a monthly quota of 'free' 3g built into the price, so you could have free Internet/email access, in addition to the originally intended purpose of having access to Amazon for books. The Kindle Keyboard 3g has gone out of production but is still supported, afaik. You can still get those Kindles on eBay.

    Amazon has restricted this in its current products, afaik.


  • #58
    chopper6
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,214 ✭✭✭chopper6


    Khannie wrote: »
    I think ebooks are perfect for off the grid living. Hundreds of books in a tiny space. Uses virtually no power. Easily charged with a small solar panel.


    Nah man...bring a pencil and paper and write a book about your experiences.. Bringing an electronic device is a cop out imo


  • #59
    Recondite49
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭Recondite49


    chopper6 wrote: »
    Nah man...bring a pencil and paper and write a book about your experiences.. Bringing an electronic device is a cop out imo

    Can't you do both?

    While we're on the subject I actually did read a book written last year about a man going to live in a run down cottage in the woods for five years in Wales.

    It was actually not very enlightening as he didn't go into any details about how he was able to grow enough food etc. There was also abundant firewood of which he made liberal use and he had managed to receive a small stipend from a local University to monitor bird boxes so he would make supply runs to the local supermarket an hour's walk away every now and then.

    It made for interesting reading but from a practical perspective I got more out of Robinson Crusoe.


  • #60
    tomaussie
    Closed Accounts Posts: 913 ✭✭✭tomaussie


    chopper6 wrote: »
    Nah man...bring a pencil and paper and write a book about your experiences.. Bringing an electronic device is a cop out imo

    Why is it a cop out ?


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  • #61
    CardinalJ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭CardinalJ


    Id say its a cop out if you have a kindle with internet access etc so you can read the news, chat to your mates etc.

    If it just loaded up with a book or two I'd say it's fine. Only downside is you've to be so careful you keep it dry or it's just a waste of space.


  • #62
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    CardinalJ wrote: »
    Id say its a cop out if you have a kindle with internet access etc so you can read the news, chat to your mates etc.

    If it just loaded up with a book or two I'd say it's fine. Only downside is you've to be so careful you keep it dry or it's just a waste of space.

    What do you mean a cop out? He's not competing for some sort of wilderness survival prize, he can bring what he wants. :confused:


  • #63
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    CardinalJ wrote: »
    Id say its a cop out if you have a kindle with internet access etc so you can read the news, chat to your mates etc.

    If it just loaded up with a book or two I'd say it's fine. Only downside is you've to be so careful you keep it dry or it's just a waste of space.


    survive.jpg

    Looks about right to me ...


  • #64
    bmc58
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,000 ✭✭✭bmc58


    Tabnabs wrote: »
    There is no public land in Ireland, you're on someone's private land, land belonging to Coilte or the National Parks & Wildlife Service. It's one thing to wildcamp for a weekend in the mountains, but a whole other issue to live to two/three months in the same place.
    I thought the lands owned by the state belonged to all Irish citizens(myself included).And as such I have a right to be on those lands.


  • #65
    Tabnabs
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,750 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    bmc58 wrote: »
    I thought the lands owned by the state belonged to all Irish citizens(myself included).And as such I have a right to be on those lands.

    A jaysus no, sure then they'd be effectively lawless and anybody could do what. Can't have that! All coilte land fall under "FORESTRY ACT 1988 (SECTION 37) (COILLTE TEORANTA) BYE-LAWS 2009"

    The State and you (as a private citizen) are opposite and unequal, they do as they please with their land and you do what pleases them on your land...


  • #66
    Recondite49
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭Recondite49


    CardinalJ wrote: »
    Id say its a cop out if you have a kindle with internet access etc so you can read the news, chat to your mates etc.

    If it just loaded up with a book or two I'd say it's fine. Only downside is you've to be so careful you keep it dry or it's just a waste of space.

    It's not so much of a cop out as a long term survival strategy... but then again where do we draw the line with that? No matter how carefully preserved, books will eventually crumble to dust, should we as Survivalists be building our own printing presses or engraving on stone tablets just to be on the safe side? :)


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  • #67
    gozunda
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,996 ✭✭✭✭gozunda


    Recondite49 wrote: »
    It's not so much of a cop out as a long term survival strategy... but then again where do we draw the line with that? No matter how carefully preserved, books will eventually crumble to dust, should we as Survivalists be building our own printing presses or engraving on stone tablets just to be on the safe side? :)

    Never had to But I'm sure books can be very useful for survival strategy. They can be:
    *read
    *used for fire lighting (terrible thing to do to a good book but a bad book - hey!)
    *emergency toilet roll - ditto
    *insulation
    *a weight
    *as temporary furniture ie small seat or table

    And the Kindle?
    *read books if you have power
    *Access internet / email if you have internet access
    * Without power / internet? Frisbee perhaps!


  • #68
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    gozunda wrote: »
    But books can be very useful for survival strategy. They can be:
    *read
    *used for fire lighting (terrible thing to do to a good book but a bad book - hey!)
    *emergency toilet roll
    *insulation
    *a weight
    *as temporary furniture ie small seat or table

    And the Kindle?
    *read books if you have power
    *Access internet / email if you have internet access
    * Without power / internet? Frisbee perhaps!

    But for the key task of having reading material available to keep the madness at bay here's how they stack up:

    Kindle:

    ~200 grams.

    200 books:

    ~100 kg.

    :pac:


  • #69
    CamperMan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,835 ✭✭✭CamperMan


    Maximus Alexander wrote: »
    But for the key task of having reading material available to keep the madness at bay here's how they stack up:

    Kindle:

    ~200 grams.

    200 books:

    ~100 kg.

    :pac:

    plenty of exercise lifting the books..

    I prefer printed books to anything on kindle..


  • #70
    Maximus Alexander
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,080 ✭✭✭✭Maximus Alexander


    CamperMan wrote: »
    plenty of exercise lifting the books..

    I prefer printed books to anything on kindle..

    Getting a bit off topic now, but I've never really understood the distinction. When I get engrossed in a book I forget that I'm even reading, let alone what I'm reading from, so it will never make sense to me why some people cling so hard to the old print media. :)


  • #71
    Maudi
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,516 ✭✭✭Maudi


    InTheTrees wrote: »
    There isnt anywhere remote in Ireland.

    You should come over here to the Pacific Northwest. You can hire a floatplane to fly you out into the wilderness.

    You could build yourself a house on a lake with a few aces of garden and live there and nobody would ever know, there's so much space.

    Sounds great..and to think I was close to doing just that.


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  • #72
    Tom17
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2 ✭Tom17


    Stuey Byrne wrote: »
    Well maybe not that committed just yet but certainly thinking about easing myself into it before this summer ends. I'd imagine there has been plenty of people before me with this brain wave so hopefully I will pick up some good old sage wisdom on here { I haven't checked other threads much} Basically I'll be pitching camp at a secluded location for 1-2 weeks to get accustomed to the serious downgrade in living comforts, get a proper idea of rationing, and what the essentials may be. { ..and no I haven't just seen or read Into the Wild}.
    With the overall objective to go back and stay 2-3 months and hopefully next Spring maybe till winter. Has anybody got any ideas on locations {in Leinster}, do's and don'ts, top 3 items apart from the obvious that could be very helpfull? The reason Im thinking of doing this is because right now, I got no job, I got no woman, I got no kids and I got no mortgage.{these are all good things by the way I'm not destitute}...so I think now is as good a time as any! Also to a greater degree it's more of an experiment in living off the grid {to a point} I fish a lot, love camping and nature, I'm a chef so I know my way around a blade, starting fires but not much on hunting. Anyway I appreciate any advice and wot-not. Cheers!


    Ps..any donations of 2nd hand tools/equipment would be great.

    Very nice.

    What will you be staying in?.

    - A Tent?.

    Example to bring:
    - A tent
    - Sleep bag
    - Map
    - Head lamp / Flash lights (7dayshop.com)
    - Lighter/Matches
    - Pan,
    - Swiss Knife

    Foods:
    - Rum,Nicotine Gum,etc.
    - Water,Food,Mushrooms,etc.

    Medicine:
    - Painkillers , antibiotics,med kit , etc.




    Maybe, bring a phone, but only use it for real contacts. you need to get away from technology, so no phone/laptop/etc for personal use.

    Also, what about camping near a beach for example?. (of course a quite beach).

    And food supplies,etc?.


  • #73
    Tom17
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2 ✭Tom17


    Yeah, don't bring loads of phones/laptops/etc.

    Bring books, lots and lots of books :)


  • #74
    CardinalJ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭CardinalJ


    Maximus Alexander wrote: »
    What do you mean a cop out? He's not competing for some sort of wilderness survival prize, he can bring what he wants. :confused:

    Of course he can bring whats, I was replying to another post re 'a cop out'.
    chopper6 wrote: »
    Nah man...bring a pencil and paper and write a book about your experiences.. Bringing an electronic device is a cop out imo

    My opinion is that going to live in the woods would be more rewarding if you got away from day to day life for a while, so no internet/constant updates on people's baby photos and dinner pics. I'm not suggesting he's to go off and drink his p*ss.


  • #75
    Recondite49
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭Recondite49


    CardinalJ wrote: »

    My opinion is that going to live in the woods would be more rewarding if you got away from day to day life for a while, so no internet/constant updates on people's baby photos and dinner pics. I'm not suggesting he's to go off and drink his p*ss.

    Couldn't you just bring a KIndle that doesn't have the 3G feature? Mine doesn't. :-D


  • #76
    CardinalJ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,306 ✭✭✭CardinalJ


    Recondite49 wrote: »
    Couldn't you just bring a KIndle that doesn't have the 3G feature? Mine doesn't. :-D

    Mines even more basic, it's fictitious. I'd love one of them though.


  • #77
    Recondite49
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,004 ✭✭✭Recondite49


    No doubt when the printing press came out there were some people who complained that mass produced books took all the fun out of handwritten manuscripts... :-D


  • #78
    Pat Mustard
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,554 ✭✭✭Pat Mustard


    Recondite49 wrote: »
    No doubt when the printing press came out there were some people who complained that mass produced books took all the fun out of handwritten manuscripts... :-D

    Damn right. These new fangled contraptions are wrecking the oldschool buzz.

    Ogham stones ftw.

    ogham1.jpg


  • #79
    bentob0x
    Registered Users Posts: 1 ✭bentob0x


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