So I'm going to live in the woods.

Stuey Byrne

Well maybe not that committed just yet but certainly thinking about easing myself into it before this summer ends. I'd imagine there has been plenty of people before me with this brain wave so hopefully I will pick up some good old sage wisdom on here { I haven't checked other threads much} Basically I'll be pitching camp at a secluded location for 1-2 weeks to get accustomed to the serious downgrade in living comforts, get a proper idea of rationing, and what the essentials may be. { ..and no I haven't just seen or read Into the Wild}.
With the overall objective to go back and stay 2-3 months and hopefully next Spring maybe till winter. Has anybody got any ideas on locations {in Leinster}, do's and don'ts, top 3 items apart from the obvious that could be very helpfull? The reason Im thinking of doing this is because right now, I got no job, I got no woman, I got no kids and I got no mortgage.{these are all good things by the way I'm not destitute}...so I think now is as good a time as any! Also to a greater degree it's more of an experiment in living off the grid {to a point} I fish a lot, love camping and nature, I'm a chef so I know my way around a blade, starting fires but not much on hunting. Anyway I appreciate any advice and wot-not. Cheers!


Ps..any donations of 2nd hand tools/equipment would be great.

djflawless

Stuey Byrne wrote: »

Well maybe not that committed just yet but certainly thinking about easing myself into it before this summer ends. I'd imagine there has been plenty of people before me with this brain wave so hopefully I will pick up some good old sage wisdom on here { I haven't checked other threads much} Basically I'll be pitching camp at a secluded location for 1-2 weeks to get accustomed to the serious downgrade in living comforts, get a proper idea of rationing, and what the essentials may be. { ..and no I haven't just seen or read Into the Wild}.
With the overall objective to go back and stay 2-3 months and hopefully next Spring maybe till winter. Has anybody got any ideas on locations {in Leinster}, do's and don'ts, top 3 items apart from the obvious that could be very helpfull? The reason Im thinking of doing this is because right now, I got no job, I got no woman, I got no kids and I got no mortgage.{these are all good things by the way I'm not destitute}...so I think now is as good a time as any! Also to a greater degree it's more of an experiment in living off the grid {to a point} I fish a lot, love camping and nature, I'm a chef so I know my way around a blade, starting fires but not much on hunting. Anyway I appreciate any advice and wot-not. Cheers!


Ps..any donations of 2nd hand tools/equipment would be great.

What part of Leinster are you in fella?

Stuey Byrne

Hey Im in Lucan Dublin, ideally I would head towards the Wicklow, Arcklow area but they are just the areas I would be vaguely familiar with. Thanks.

Tabnabs

Who's land are you going to eat, sleep and poop on. Do you have permission?

Stuey Byrne

No permission, totally under the radar. Best to avoid all functioning roads, trails and paths I guess. Where's the adventure in "permission"?

Tabnabs

There is no public land in Ireland, you're on someone's private land, land belonging to Coilte or the National Parks & Wildlife Service. It's one thing to wildcamp for a weekend in the mountains, but a whole other issue to live to two/three months in the same place.

Stuey Byrne

So your saying I could apply for permission? Whats the success rate I wonder? I hadnt really planned in staying in 1 area for all that time, so as not to leave much of a footprint I would plan for a base camp and move in a 10km radius of that, over time.

hexosan

Stuey Byrne wrote: »

So your saying I could apply for permission? Whats the success rate I wonder?

Zero

Stuey Byrne

My point exactly, how counter-productive it would be to follow the rules of a system while simultaneously trying to avoid the system. Sure I nearly got fined last year for fishing for Perch on the Liffey. It defeats the point of government if people start living off the grid...I get it....I just choose to disregard it.

djflawless

You could try around the slieve blooms swell?
Add to the difficulty of not knowing the location?
If you want an idea for traps etc let me know.that's something I'd definitely be well educated in

Stuey Byrne

Thanks ...im looking forward to doing a little whittling by a stream ...

I think some people may be against my idea, regarding legislation etc..

Im not doing it as a gesture of sticking it to the man, I just want to go and take stock, reflect, learn about myself etc....My intentions are pure and with zero imposition on anybodies personal dwellings. And minimal carbon footprint of course

I reckon more people should do it?

djflawless

I can get where your coming from.I'd love to do the same.and will eventually!!
Would love to do it somewhere with plenty of wilderness and more danger than a horsefly bite

Say, mountainous areas of Borneo

Tabnabs

You want to live off grid around Wicklow though, not the northern boreal forest. Chances are you'll be at the end of someones garden, their bottom field or beside an MTB trail.

If you want off grid and room to roam, how about 11,000 hectares? http://www.coillte.ie/aboutcoillte/news/article/view/irelands-first-wilderness-project-launched/

Stuey Byrne

Tabnabs wrote: »

You want to live off grid around Wicklow though, not the northern boreal forest. Chances are you'll be at the end of someones garden, their bottom field or beside an MTB trail.

If you want off grid and room to roam, how about 11,000 hectares?

Thats perfect, pretty much exactly what I was looking for, as much as possible not to step on anybody's toes, while attempting to be neutral with the environment, Thanks.

Stuey Byrne

I guess I'm lucky I'm not of my fathers generation or I would have been
shipped off to the monastery for having notions such as these
{Sure isnt it the lord himself who calls you to service child} wink wink

djflawless

Stuey Byrne wrote: »

I guess I'm lucky I'm not of my fathers generation or I would have been
shipped off to the monastery for having notions such as these
{Sure isnt it the lord himself who calls you to service child} wink wink

Didn't the J-man himself partake in a bit of survivalism in the desert for 40 days and nights ;-)

Stuey Byrne

Exactly...I'm like Jesus!

djflawless

Don't forget a good razor/blade or you'll look like him too!!
So what sort of kit are you planning to start off with?
Maybe some of the lads here with experience might be able to help you?

thehippychippy

Cracking idea my friend. Would love to do it some day but unlike yourself, I'm not so free. Not to put a downer on it but how will you keep in touch with people? Have you thought about what to do if you break your leg or get food poisoning? I'm not trying to deter you here, just what occurred to me as I was reading your thread. With a bit of good planning I think it is more then possible to live off the land for an extended period and I for one will do what ever I can to help you once your going about it the right way.
For me it would be more about sticking it to the man, or woman ( I'm an equal opportunities fight the machine kind of survivalist)

InTheTrees

There isnt anywhere remote in Ireland.

You should come over here to the Pacific Northwest. You can hire a floatplane to fly you out into the wilderness.

You could build yourself a house on a lake with a few aces of garden and live there and nobody would ever know, there's so much space.

Stuey Byrne

Well for a start I'm trained in 1st aid so that's a plus, but it aint so easy doing it on yourself. Im not as adventurous to start hiking rocky areas I tend to take the safest option. I will have a phone with extra charger etc for emergency, the right amount of people know what my plans are, i'll have lift arranged prior to camping do a rekky, so they know the exact location of where i'll be. As the other guy pointed out, we're not exactly remote enough so I aim to be within an hours walk to some amenities, phone, garda, etc..I'll be taking my trusty leather-man multi tool, first aid kit, tent, mattress, clothes, 2 zippos, fuel, and extra fuel, torch, headlamp, mini gas stove plus crockery etc....I admit it's gonna take some real organizing. Food poisoning doesn't worry me too much as im a qualified chef so am fairly savvy with cross contamination issues etc, supplies of meds like anti histamines, vitamins, water purifying tablets....and plenty of good books! Obviously a good hunting knife, compass, insect repellent!

Should be a blast!!

madmaxi

Don't forget a shovel for taking care of business & some toilet roll or wet wipes.

Stuey Byrne

Yep that was my plan, old skool ditch bog. There's a composting method for human waste, more for a long term approach but worth a look I think.
Nice one on the wet wipes though, I wouldn't go old skool when it comes to that!

Also a deck of cards !

Recondite49

Stuey Byrne wrote: »

Well maybe not that committed just yet but certainly thinking about easing myself into it before this summer ends. I'd imagine there has been plenty of people before me with this brain wave so hopefully I will pick up some good old sage wisdom on here { I haven't checked other threads much} Basically I'll be pitching camp at a secluded location for 1-2 weeks to get accustomed to the serious downgrade in living comforts, get a proper idea of rationing, and what the essentials may be. { ..and no I haven't just seen or read Into the Wild}.
With the overall objective to go back and stay 2-3 months and hopefully next Spring maybe till winter. Has anybody got any ideas on locations {in Leinster}, do's and don'ts, top 3 items apart from the obvious that could be very helpfull? The reason Im thinking of doing this is because right now, I got no job, I got no woman, I got no kids and I got no mortgage.{these are all good things by the way I'm not destitute}...so I think now is as good a time as any! Also to a greater degree it's more of an experiment in living off the grid {to a point} I fish a lot, love camping and nature, I'm a chef so I know my way around a blade, starting fires but not much on hunting. Anyway I appreciate any advice and wot-not. Cheers!


Ps..any donations of 2nd hand tools/equipment would be great.

Hi Stuey,

Ah living off the land, it's the dream! I think this will be a very exciting if challenging experience for you.

I am actually in the process of buying some land near Tipperary, three acres of which is Woodland. Once the paperwork comes through (around Christmas), if you or any of my fellow Survivalists here want to chance their arm, you'd be most welcome.

As for legal issues, naturally we can't endorse you breaking the law. That said trespass is a civil offence and I really think the worst that would happen in the first instance is that you'd be asked to move along. I imagine in the interests of adventure though you're not planning on staying in one place for too long a time?

Will you have access to the internet while you're away? I have a lovely little solar charger for mobile phones if you think that might work? I think it would be really interesting if you kept a daily log of the challenges you've overcome, your experience would be invaluable to the rest of us.

Recondite49

Stuey Byrne wrote: »

Yep that was my plan, old skool ditch bog. There's a composting method for human waste, more for a long term approach but worth a look I think.
Nice one on the wet wipes though, I wouldn't go old skool when it comes to that!

Also a deck of cards !

Also have a few glow sticks, emergency shelter and ten gallon water carrier I picked up from the Euro saver store if that's any use to you chief? I'd be more than happy to mail them to you wherever you are, they're very light. Might as well take advantage while you still have a mailbox.

househero

Sum 1s been living in the forest I mountain bike in.

Seen a few shoddily made shelters remnants of a fire and a pile of nibbled pine cones... ironically the bear grylls episode where he eats pine cones was on Discovery two days before. (Can afford sky, but not a roof over their heads)

Recondite49

househero wrote: »

Sum 1s been living in the forest I mountain bike in.

Seen a few shoddily made shelters remnants of a fire and a pile of nibbled pine cones... ironically the bear grylls episode where he eats pine cones was on Discovery two days before. (Can afford sky, but not a roof over their heads)

Couldn't they have just read about the episode in a discarded TV guide or newspaper? :-D

Stuey Byrne

Recondite49 wrote: »

Hi Stuey,

Ah living off the land, it's the dream! I think this will be a very exciting if challenging experience for you.

I am actually in the process of buying some land near Tipperary, three acres of which is Woodland. Once the paperwork comes through (around Christmas), if you or any of my fellow Survivalists here want to chance their arm, you'd be most welcome.

As for legal issues, naturally we can't endorse you breaking the law. That said trespass is a civil offence and I really think the worst that would happen in the first instance is that you'd be asked to move along. I imagine in the interests of adventure though you're not planning on staying in one place for too long a time?

Will you have access to the internet while you're away? I have a lovely little solar charger for mobile phones if you think that might work? I think it would be really interesting if you kept a daily log of the challenges you've overcome, your experience would be invaluable to the rest of us.

Wow that's an amazing idea about tipp, will defo keep in mind! I had already checked the legality of doing what Im doing and your right its a civil matter and not a criminal offence, and if anybody were to confront me about it I would be polite and leave. It's all about peace and love man . As for staying in one place. I'd like to stay in one area and be able to camp and different sites within that area. Yea a personal journal/notebook is a perfect idea, good way of grounding myself daily when the loneliness creeps in, { which I'm sure it will.} But i am hoping to use as much solar power as possible...if you have one that would be amazing. That other stuff you got could come in very handy too, glow sticks are a great idea, wouldn't have thought of them will keep you posted as to dates when I figure them out. They got some great solar stuff on ebay, plus loads of outdoor gadgets, but less is more I guess when roughing it outdoors! Not sure whether I want/need access to internet...its something ill figure out along the way, but definitely, 2 phones both with 2 batteries.

Pat Mustard

It's one thing to live on your own in actual wilderness that you have all to yourself. You could do whatever you wanted.

I don't know about Nephin Beg, but there isn't really much in the way of wilderness in Ireland. So it's not possible to just do whatever you want.

It's not just camping in the woods. It's camping in the woods on your own. You could be bored stiff after a few days, unless you had enough to do. If you were in a real wilderness, you could go hunting, fishing, or maybe even panning for gold. But you won't be free to do anything you want.

So that could be another issue: boredom.

I'd say bring a Kindle, loaded up with books. And a solar charger.

sheesh

there is a guy apparently living in a tent for weeks at a time in a valley a couple of miles from me. so it can be done.

Forget leinster OP for craziness on this level you need to go out west I'm sure you rent a field (read scrubland) off some old fella for reasonable money and set up camp under a tree where you won't be seen. Brosna in north kerry or somewhere around in Caherdaniel in south kerry is pretty much indian territory.

I'm sure Mayo would be well set up for this kind of thing too!

I would look out for someone with an unused or half built site that needs the money once it had roof and doors on it and away from the main roads you would be golden.

CardinalJ

Just in relation to the Solar charger being mentioned by 'The Mustard', I have one of them and they're the business. During the good weather over the last few weeks I was able to get almost a 60% charge off the sun in the time I was in work, around 10 hours. That's equal to 2 or 3 full smart phone charges.

Hugely recommend them.

Pat Mustard

CardinalJ wrote: »

Hugely recommend them.

The one that I that I linked was one that's on my list to get. From what I've read about it, it's about as good as you'd get - for that kind of money. There are others which come with better ratings, but they are more expensive.

If you don't mind me asking, which one do you have?

CardinalJ

The Mustard wrote: »

If you don't mind me asking, which one do you have?

https://www.powertraveller.com/en/shop/portable-chargers/outdoor-adventure/powermonkey-extreme-12v/

Originally had the 5V one but it failed one day. Needed it for an event I was doing and they sent me a replacement without even asking that I send the old one back first. Replacement works perfectly and is the 5V or 12V version, so they basically upgraded me for free.

I got mine on Sportpursuit for £59.70 which is also a pretty great saving.

Francis O Blibhionn

I'm just back from a week touring the wilderness alone on a bike. Though I never really strayed too far from civilization, it was pretty heavy, physically and mentally, and not how I thought it would be. That said, I think it was an immense psychological kick up the arse and one of the most important things I've ever done in my life. The shift in perspective is very dramatic.

I think you should know that you will make big technical mistakes no matter what you've read, and that even in Ireland you can hurt yourself badly in the wilderness.

I think you have different motivations than I had, and a different kind of project in mind, but I still recommend you go for a short period of time first, to get all the worst mistakes over with and confirm that it's what you're looking for.

Also, I strongly recommend this book:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walden

Recondite49

Francis O Blibhionn wrote: »

I'm just back from a week touring the wilderness alone on a bike. Though I never really strayed too far from civilization, it was pretty heavy, physically and mentally, and not how I thought it would be. That said, I think it was an immense psychological kick up the arse and one of the most important things I've ever done in my life. The shift in perspective is very dramatic.

I think you should know that you will make big technical mistakes no matter what you've read, and that even in Ireland you can hurt yourself badly in the wilderness.

I think you have different motivations than I had, and a different kind of project in mind, but I still recommend you go for a short period of time first, to get all the worst mistakes over with and confirm that it's what you're looking for.

Also, I strongly recommend this book:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walden

This is fantastic Francis - will you write about your own experiences on here in more depth? I'd be very interested to read how you got on.

Tabnabs

Francis O Blibhionn wrote: »

Also, I strongly recommend this book:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walden

Fair play for tackling it, a heavy read that heaps a lot of classic mythology references on the poor unsuspecting reader.

Muahahaha

OP I have a solar charger that I used last year to charge my phone on a trek to Everest in Nepal. You're welcome to a loan of it if you like, I can meet in the Dublin area.

Otherwise I love your idea. Even just doing it for a couple of weeks would be fantastic. I remember a few years back I crossed the Chinese border to go into Laos in quite a remote area. It was 3pm and a scorching hot day and I had to walk approx three miles of 'no mans land' between the Chinese checkpoint and the Laotian entry point. The walk was stunning, the jungle area was just so lush and green with fan leaves the size of my kitchen hanging out of them. When I got to the Laotian side I discovered that the border guards there had knocked off work as it was 'too hot'. I was stuck between two countries, I couldn't go back to China as my visa was up that day and I couldn't proceed into Laos without an entry stamp in my passport.

So after a few hours of hanging around reading a book when darkness began to fall I walked back up the road and into the jungle. I found more than enough foliage to make a bed out of and it was plenty warm in there. I had a naggin of whiskey and sipped away at that while chomping on biscuits and cheese. I fell asleep nice and merry gazing at the most amazing show of stars and listening to the many sounds of the jungle. At home in Ireland my mother would have been shocked if she knew where I was but that night I was as happy as a pig in sh1t.

Anyway back to your idea. I agree with others that Leinster may not be the spot to do this. For me I'd be looking at Kerry/MayoDonegal. I bet Donegal has some superb places you could go, though tree cover could be a problem up there. If you got a ferry across to one of the islands off Donegal I'd say you could wild camp there as much as you liked if you find a nice patch on the coast. Even if it turns out you're on someone's land most of the locals on those islands are very easy going and there is a recognition of alternative lifestyles amongst them. You could fish off the rocks at sunset and have yourself a nice little dinner fresh from the Atlantic every evening. Just make sure your tent can stand up to wind though:)

If you really wanted to go off grid in a big way you could research uninhabited islands off the coast. Obviously you'd really want to know what you're doing here and you'd need support on land to get you out and back and a line of communications in case of emergency. It would take a good bit more organisation but surviving on your own island for a few weeks would be pretty neat, defintely a unique experience. Just hope that you can stay out of the sights of the Irish Navy if they happen to come patrolling, sure that would be part of your fun:)

Another option is the UK, I'm guessing doing what you're proposing is practiced a lot more over there. Who knows if you do some research online you might even come across things like tree houses that people have built for survivalists to use in forests. I'd imagine there are whole communities of these people in the UK, I'm not saying you need any help to carry this off, just saying be open to the idea of other countries too. While what you're proposing to do is excellent don't also forget that your days are going to be dictated by the sunlight and even now after June 21st we still have around 16 hours a day of it. So that's a lot of time to fill. If you can get in with a community who do this regularly throughout the summer you might really enjoy meeting kindred spirits and finding out lots of interesting things about how they live their lifestyles.

CamperMan

we could not afford a place in the woods in Ireland, so got a nice place in Sweden, surrounded by forests, off-grid.. nearest neighbour is a mile away.. we use solar energy, water comes from a well, we try to grow as much food as we can through the short growing season, we recycle what we can, even the toilet waste is composted... Basically, had to work on a way to live off as little money as possible, no dole, very little income as no job either... We have lived here for two years, through sub zero winters and blazing hot summers.. heating costs are tiny, about €300 a year, buying the logs from the local forestry guy, I then saw them with a bow saw and split them up with the axe.

Recondite49

CamperMan wrote: »

we could not afford a place in the woods in Ireland, so got a nice place in Sweden, surrounded by forests, off-grid.. nearest neighbour is a mile away.. we use solar energy, water comes from a well, we try to grow as much food as we can through the short growing season, we recycle what we can, even the toilet waste is composted... Basically, had to work on a way to live off as little money as possible, no dole, very little income as no job either... We have lived here for two years, through sub zero winters and blazing hot summers.. heating costs are tiny, about €300 a year, buying the logs from the local forestry guy, I then saw them with a bow saw and split them up with the axe.

CamperMan, I am insanely jealous - do you live in Sweden full time? If you don't mind me asking how are you able to make ends meet, do you have a small income ?

Muahahaha

Wow that's amazing Camperman, looks like your own little paradise. Though I'd say the winters were tough, how is it insulated? And do you might me asking of costs, is it possible to buy plots of land in Scandanavia for cheap? I lived in Finland once myself and loved the summer there, it rarely got dark and we used to head out to friends summer cottages in the woods and lakes for days on end, good times:)

Labarbapostiza

Stuey Byrne wrote: »

My point exactly, how counter-productive it would be to follow the rules of a system while simultaneously trying to avoid the system. Sure I nearly got fined last year for fishing for Perch on the Liffey. It defeats the point of government if people start living off the grid...I get it....I just choose to disregard it.

They're are thousands of people living off the grid.....They're called the homeless.

They're are hundreds of people sleeping rough in Dublin city centre. In winter some go into emergency hostels, but there are others who'll completely rough it. There are always homeless people camped in the Phoenix park, and I believe always a few in the Wicklow mountains. There have been a few stories of people who've lost everything in the last few years, moving into the woods.

Homeless people outside of the cities tend to live in wilderness areas. There is a danger of being murdered by hill billies. From someone I knew who was homeless in rural Ireland, they were attacked several times, so they began sleeping in graveyards. The first time they did it they had an awful shock - they thought they were seeing ghosts, but it was other homeless people.

CamperMan

we were very lucky to buy this place so cheap, cost us 50,000 SEK about €5500 at the time (2012), the guy who we bought it off wanted €25,000 but was seriously strapped for cash so sold it cheap.. hard to find for this price now, you can still get houses like this for about €20,000 to €30,000.. ideal for off grid living... a link to some for sale here, http://www.blocket.se/bostad/saljes?cg_multi=3040&sort=&ps=0&pe=3&ss=&se=&ros=&roe=&mre=&q=&is=1&l=0&md=th&f=b&ca=13&w=3

It is very well insulated, in the winter, outside it can be minus 20 Deg C day and night for months, inside, it will be plus 20 Degrees C, it's built from logs, and has glass fibre insulation in the walls and ceilings, it also has double glazed windows.. We find the winters here no problem... and the summers are amazing, hot and sunny and as you said, rarely get's dark in the summer.

Muahahaha wrote: »

Wow that's amazing Camperman, looks like your own little paradise. Though I'd say the winters were tough, how is it insulated? And do you might me asking of costs, is it possible to buy plots of land in Scandanavia for cheap? I lived in Finland once myself and loved the summer there, it rarely got dark and we used to head out to friends summer cottages in the woods and lakes for days on end, good times:)

CamperMan

here it is in the winter time...

Stovepipe

A huge amount of Swedish people have these as country retreats, dacha-style and would leave the cities en masse in Summer to stay in them. Swedes tend to have a very outdoorsy life, with virtually everybody having a boat of some kind and access to lakes, cycling, walking, fishing and so on.
regards
Stovepipe

Tabnabs

Hope you guys are nowhere near the huge forest fire in Sweden. Looks like a great set-up.

Tabnabs

CamperMan wrote: »

we were very lucky to buy this place so cheap, cost us 50,000 SEK about €5500 at the time (2012), the guy who we bought it off wanted €25,000 but was seriously strapped for cash so sold it cheap.. hard to find for this price now, you can still get houses like this for about €20,000 to €30,000.. ideal for off grid living... a link to some for sale here, http://www.blocket.se/bostad/saljes?cg_multi=3040&sort=&ps=0&pe=3&ss=&se=&ros=&roe=&mre=&q=&is=1&l=0&md=th&f=b&ca=13&w=3

It is very well insulated, in the winter, outside it can be minus 20 Deg C day and night for months, inside, it will be plus 20 Degrees C, it's built from logs, and has glass fibre insulation in the walls and ceilings, it also has double glazed windows.. We find the winters here no problem... and the summers are amazing, hot and sunny and as you said, rarely get's dark in the summer.

Incredible to see property prices so cheap in such a relatively wealthy country. €30-40k here buys virtually nothing inhabitable.

It's the same over the border in eastern Norway. €40k+- will get you a run down small holding with house, barn and 70 acres. http://www.finn.no/finn/realestate/homes/object?finnkode=50317754

CamperMan

the forest fire is about 160 km north of us..

Tabnabs wrote: »

Hope you guys are nowhere near the huge forest fire in Sweden. Looks like a great set-up.

Labarbapostiza

Tabnabs wrote: »

Incredible to see property prices so cheap in such a relatively wealthy country. €30-40k here buys virtually nothing inhabitable.

It wasn't always like that. Ireland used to be a destination for European hippies to buy small holdings and small houses for next to nothing. There was a huge amount of abandoned property. You could literally buy a castle on a budget.

It's the same over the border in eastern Norway. €40k+- will get you a run down
small holding with house, barn and 70 acres. http://www.finn.no/finn/realestate/homes/object?finnkode=50317754

If you buy the farm, are you then classed as a Norwegian farmer, and do you get the Norwegian farm grants. They have a different system. They guarantee a minimum income of 40k for farmers. Norway has lots of oil money to spend.

chopper6

Off the grid living and bringing a kindle...jesus wept.

Tabnabs

Labarbapostiza wrote: »

If you buy the farm, are you then classed as a Norwegian farmer, and do you get the Norwegian farm grants. They have a different system. They guarantee a minimum income of 40k for farmers. Norway has lots of oil money to spend.

An interesting question, I don't honestly know, but yes this particular smallholding is still registered as a farm according to the advert.

My main concern would be if that 40k in "benefits" would be wiped out by a 40k property/land/fresh-air tax

househero

Labarbapostiza wrote: »

If you buy the farm, are you then classed as a Norwegian farmer, and do you get the Norwegian farm grants. They have a different system. They guarantee a minimum income of 40k for farmers. Norway has lots of oil money to spend.

I think you need permanent residence/citizenship & its not easy to get, there are plenty of people who have been waiting 7+ years for a decision.