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Dublin Airport Bus Service Changes & Discussion

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  • Registered Users Posts: 172 ✭✭belfast stephen


    the Paperwork for that has been summitted to the NTA so it down to them now on how long it will take



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    I see Dublin Express recently opened a large ticket sale desk/counter in T1. Must be putting Aircoach under serious pressure on the 700 route.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    When Aircoach first launched the Cork route and came under a heavy assault by GoBe and also came under pressure by Dublin Coach on the Belfast route, they launched an exemplary commercial response to defend their position on those routes. Management of the company has changed and it really does show.

    It does not surprise me what is happening in Dublin Airport at all. It's what happens when an operator (Aircoach in this case) sits back and allows another commercially savvy operator to do whatever they want without properly defending itself. They've simply watched Dublin Express built a significant ticket agent network in Dublin without any effort to fight that. National Express has a history of building huge ticket desks in prominent places in airports with generic non branded and non coloured signs such as "Bus and Coach information" or "Tickets to Dublin" make it look like a travel advice desk to drum up trade and take it away from their competitors.

    Also the situation with the 705X is even more puzzling than with the 700. They've got a successful route between Dublin and Belfast, but they've gutted the frequency of that to chase what surely must be very limited returns on the Derry to Belfast corridor that could only muster enough passengers for a minibus (and that's before they took several stops and one of the airports out) with journey times Derry to Dublin being very uncompetitive. No wonder National Express are trying to start a route up on the corridor, Aircoach have practically given them an open goal to do so and have kindly even provided them spaces in their timetable to fit in!



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,986 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Yes, I think Aircoach have lost their way over the last few years and made some very questionable business decisions.

    I totally understand why they bought the Panthers over 10 years ago when the economy was poor and money was tight, a cheaper alternative made sense then. But I've no idea why they continued to buy them in 2017 and in particular 2019, when the economy had improved greatly and it was clear they were going to face increased competition on their routes. Arguably their choice of coach left a gap in the market from competitors to launch in the first place.

    On the Cork route, around the time GoBE became GoBus, GoBus really seemed to get their act together and became serious competition to Aircoach on that route. Better schedule, better location and at the time nice new Volvo 9700's which were much nicer then Aircoach Panthers. Personally I stopped using Aircoach and moved over to GoBus and I saw a real pick up in passenger numbers on GoBus.

    Now they are still using tired old Panthers against slick brand new Citylink/GoBus Volvo 9900's on the route!

    On the Belfast route they faced competition from much newer and nicer Mercedes coaches from Dublin Coach.

    But worse, at a time when Citylink were locking down a monopoly on the Galway route and a very strong position in Cork, Aircoach has been messing around launching a weak stopping service to Galway and a seemingly crazy service to Derry!

    Did Aircoach try and bid for GoBus? Either way it looks like a big lose for them.

    Aircoach desperately needs to refresh it's fleet and work hard against all these competitors if it wants to stay relevant.

    The question in my mind is, will Dublin Coach look to sell up? A three way bidding war between Aircoach, Citylink and Dublin Express/NatEx could pay off nicely for them and give the winner a very strong position.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Basically First Group are treating the Irish market as if it were the UK and First mostly only operate city and local services in the UK not long distance coach services. I'm guessing they think that coach services work the same way that city services do and they should the cheapest most fuel efficient coaches possible not the most comfortable. First want to treat the Irish market the very same as the UK.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    And that is where they are going to come undone to be honest.

    I remember one of the things that Leon Daniels, ex FirstGroup bus director said years ago about Aircoach. He said that it might look like the UK and share some things in common with the UK, but Ireland is a different country and coaching is a different business to buses and he was always telling his colleagues that.

    Aircoach under Allen Parker was a fairly lean company with a focus on high quality coach services. The management at that point knew the market and ran Aircoach at fairly arms length rather than as part of the UK business. Don't get me wrong, there were certainly issues with customer service, marketing and embracing technology but operationally and commercially they were excellent. What we've seen since, is a new MD come from an operations background with little commercial experience, who has spent years working in UK Operations of First and the last few years we've seen lots of middle managers hired to recreate a structure similar to what is commonplace in First's UK Bus Operating companies and the company be run like that.

    I'm not saying the current management are all bad. They have vastly improved the website, embraced modern technology in a way far more than Aircoach ever did in the past and they have also better at marketing in general than they were. There's also been a fair bit of innovation and value add services that they have developed which they deserve credit for. But recent fleet and commercial strategies have been poor at best and with someone like National Express on the scene, who have always been commercially outstanding they have to and they must do better and if that means that First need to take some hard decisions and swallow their pride, so be it.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    The fact that COVID hit and made Dublin Bus give up their 747 and 757 prime spots outside departures really bailed out what was a major faux par of going from the best spots at Dublin Airport to being banished to the general bus area with everyone else. If you think how they are second best now, imagine how much worse it would be with another competitor on the scene and them banished to the bus area.

    The Galway situation also is curious. It was well known for a while that GoBus and CityLink were attempting a merger and it was obvious for a while that the route was not performing well under Bus Eireann. When Bus Eireann dropped the route that could have essentially made it impossible for the merger to go ahead without any concessions unless an operator picked it up. However by picking the route up, Aircoach essentially paved the way for the merger to go through. I'm not sure that was so smart commercially when you look at how saturated the Dublin to Galway market is by CityLink and their various brands these days and how Aircoach is around the edges. If nobody else was sniffing around the Galway to Dublin license, there is surely an argument that they would have been better off waiting for the CCPC to rule that as the only active operators on the Dublin to Galway corridor, that the newly merged CityLink and GoBus must make concessions by disposing of one of their licenses as that would result in a more even playing field on that corridor than there is right now.

    I think the fleet is something that needs improving, certainly but I think right now that's only the biggest issue on the Cork route. The biggest issues on the other routes where there are competitors tend to be around what seems like poor commercial decision making. We will have to see where they put the new Mercedes Tourismos and what kind of spec they are before commenting further. I would hope they do not go down the road of putting them on the Belfast route to try and chase those limited returns on the Derry section further. For me they need to be on the Cork route to help stave off the onslaught which s coming from CityLink in the coming weeks.

    By the way, Aircoach paid €2.7m for Airporter. I'll leave everyone to form their own opinion on whether it was worth it or not.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,057 ✭✭✭Vic_08


    The Greystones and Killiney Aircoach routes are now junk. First arrival at airport is 05.34 from Greystones and 06.04 from Killiney so effectively no use for a huge swathe of morning departures. Last return to Killiney is 23.35 which is OK but not brilliant, Greystones is a truly pathetic 20.05

    Then there is the unacceptable 2 hourly frequency. Why would an inbound passenger who cannot accurately forecast their time getting out of the airport be willing to put up with facing a very long wait for a premium (priced) service, you'd get from the airport to Dun Laoghaire, Dalkey, Bray or Greystones in under 2 hours on a regular leap card fare.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    The problem is a lack of drivers though at the end of the day .

    In order to put extra runs on those routes they are going to have to take them off other routes where there is more competition. That's about the only commercial thing they've got right lately even if it sucks for passengers. Better to have a timetable that you can deliver across the stable of the routes than have a better timetable where you're cancelling services every day as there is no slack in the system. Reliability of an airprot service is absolutely vital.

    Even now they are only really coping thanks to the daily use of hire-ins (with Nolan Coaches, Wexford Bus, Eirebus, Royal Irish Tours and McGills and Kearneys all operating for Aircoach in the last few weeks) and drivers that are being sent over from the UK that are driving the car park and staff shuttles, presumably because that doesn't require route training and local knowledge in the same way that the coach routes would.

    Not quite sure Aircoach have helped themselves at times though. They managed to annoy the Airporter staff enough with apparent worse terms and conditions as part of the takeover which has meant that they've increasingly had to cover the 705X route with Dublin based staff as a fair few of the drivers didn't transfer, which meant the increased PVR of the 705X has meant more Dublin drivers being assigned to the route.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Agreed not sure how much longer those routes can last for without a return to pre covid frequency.



  • Registered Users Posts: 362 ✭✭Rock Steady Edy


    Completely agree. Aircoach should not be allowed to introduce new services when they can't or won't service their existing ones.

    In 2010 they drove the Patton Flyer into the ground by legitimately applying for a license which the PF didn't have, on the 703 route. They offered a 24 hour service at hourly intervals, and half-hourly intervals in the early morning.

    Since then, the frequency has halved, the route and journey duration lengthened, and it's no longer a 24 hour service.

    When I complained to Aircoach that we could not to the airport in time for an early morning flight last year, they suggested I make alternative arrangements. When I then escalated this to the NTA, they said it was a commercial decision as to when Aircoach should return to pre-pandemic service levels.

    I still say they should have their 703 license revoked, but the NTA seem to lack bite judging by their response.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Comparing Aircoach in 2023 with the Patton Flyer 13 years ago is nonsense. The employment landscape is totally different now.

    All public transport operators are struggling with a lack of driving staff since the COVID-19 pandemic which is directly effecting the number of services that they can operate as a result of people re-evaluating their lifestyles and work/life balances. This is not just related to commercial operators, DB, BE and Go Ahead Ireland have all been suffering with a number of cancellations due to having insufficient driving staff. It is a problem that is not limited to the driving sector, labour shortages are widespread amongst many sectors.

    An airport service lives and dies by it's reliability of service. I agree that the current timetables on the 702/703 are poor, but what are the alternatives? Schedule every single driver they have and when several staff call in sick cancel multiple services in a row because there is physically nobody to drive the bus and have every single passenger enter a lottery of whether a bus will turn up or not? Or is it better to have a thinner timetable but passengers know they can depend on a bus turning up as a couple of drivers calling in sick on a route doesn't make the whole service collapse? I agree neither are ideal but the later for me is better than the former.

    The by far biggest driver of cancelled services and curtailed timetables in this country are to do with labour shortages. This has been discussed to death on these forums in the various threads for a long time now. Lobbying the NTA to remove licenses or PSO contracts (as I've seen people asking to do elsewhere) from operators is ridiculous and shows a clear lack of understanding as to the root causes of the problems. At best, you might have someone else who steps in with exactly the same issue. At worst, you might not have a service at all.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,986 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    Yes, in 2010 we were in a recession and the unemployment rate was 15% (and realistically higher, many emigrated), attracting people to become a bus driver and keeping people in the company was relatively straight forward then. A lot of people were willing to work any job they could get and those with a job were just happy to hold onto it.

    Today our unemployment rate is the lowest it has ever been, I believe even lower then the height of the Celtic Tiger, but worse, at least during the Celtic Tiger, we were actually building massive numbers of homes and rents were relatively ok, thus we were able to attract people to come work in Ireland. Today, with the housing crisis and ridiculous rents, there isn’t really that option.

    it is an extremely tough time for almost all industries to employ and retain staff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Would they not be better off giving up on either the Greystones or Killiney service and focusing on the other and putting on an hourly service. I can't see it being too commercially viable to operate both services with only a two hourly frequency.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,924 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer



    You do understand that as a commercial operator, they are entitled to change the timetable, once they obtain approval from the NTA to whatever they want. It isn't a PSO service where the NTA specify the service levels.

    They aren't obliged to operate the same timetable that they did pre-covid, and another operator is entitled to operate another commercial service along the same route, once they are in compliance with the NTA schedule guidelines.

    As others point out, there is a chronic shortage of labour right now, and all of the operators are suffering as a result.

    That's up to them - it is a commercial service.



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 22,986 Mod ✭✭✭✭bk


    That would be a pretty silly thing for them to do. I'd guesss that they are hoping that the driver shortage is a temporary problem that can be resolved in time.

    If they gave up the license how diffiuclt would it be to get them back in say a years time if they had solved the drivers problem. What if Dublin Express or Dublin Coach swooped in to grab the license instead. I'd guess they are operating the route at a low frequency, just to keep it ticking over and route secured until things improve.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Little change to the Aircoach website today.

    Free Travel Pass holders can book a seat online now for a £2 fee on the 700/702/703 services. A free travel pass holder will need to enter a valid pass number on the website when booking a ticket in order to do this and show the online booking confirmation and travel pass when boarding.

    Booking ahead remains optional however and Free Travel Pass passengers can continue to walk up and access the 700/702/703 services without needing to pay a fee, subject to the coach not being full upon arrival at their stop.



  • Registered Users Posts: 172 ✭✭belfast stephen


    the 4 Mercedes-Benz Tourismo coaches were delivered to the Belfast Depot today Sunday 14th May



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    They have been registered as BV72YCD/E/F/G.

    I believe they are the 12.295m examples, which if true, means they are the shortest vehicles in the Aircoach fleet.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    Well if you don't count the staff shuttle buses



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,492 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    I've used the 700 Aircoach twice recently and an issue that I encountered both times going to the airport was the lazy driver who won't get out of his seat to open the luggage compartment for people with bigger bags. Which means that you have to lug your wheelie bag onto the coach, then the driver complains later down the route when passengers can't get seats - because you and your bag are taking up two spaces!

    It caused huge ructions on one occasion when we stopped at the Carlton in O'Connell St. where there was a mob clamouring to get on, many with seats booked on that service. The problem was that half the people on the bus were singletons with a wheelie bag, each one taking up two seats. The driver came down the aisle and basically implied that we were a crowd of selfish b*tards, even though it was all his fault for not letting us put our bags in the hold!



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,208 ✭✭✭mikeybhoy


    You can open it yourself from the outside just push the red button on the outside. Not sure why Aircoach coaches don't have the ability to open the luggage door from inside the drivers cab BE has this.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,492 ✭✭✭✭coylemj



    I don't think Aircoach encourages this. If a passenger simply can't lift their bag onto the coach and asks the driver to open the luggage compartment, he gets out and opens it. I have never seen a passenger open it on their own initiative or hear the driver tell a passenger how to open it.



  • Registered Users Posts: 172 ✭✭belfast stephen


    they should be Getting NI Reg plates soon and need a Northern Ireland Psv Before driver type training can start



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Odd that they'd register them in the UK only to change them to NI plates a short while later. Also the fact they're on 72 plates suggests that these vehicles have been registered since at least February else they'd be on 23 plates.

    Sounds like none of them are going to be on the road anytime soon. Be curious how they will type train people and still maintain a regular service knowing how short they are of drivers.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Serious disruption on the Aircoach 700 route today.

    They're cancelling the 09:30, 10:00, 11:00, 11:45, 13:00, 13:45, 16:45 17:00 from Leopardstown. The service provided last night was also poor with large gaps of around an hour on airport bound services.

    There seems to be a commercial decision made that they are going to prioritize services from the airport over those to the airport recently, I assume because of the close proximity to the competition at the airport means a greater chance of losing customers. Either that or they are simply not advertising these cancellations and are just selling tickets at the airport stop at the kiosk and making people wait it out. 

    I see Aircoach are hiring another three middle managers. They seem to be hiring an awful lot lately whilst the number of driving staff available seems to be decreasing even after flying some over from the UK. Some might argue that instead of creating a bloated, First UK like operating company structure despite being a relatively small size, they'd be better off using the €50k+ each being spent on some of those roles to help retain staff.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,492 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    Must have beeen a serious shortage of buses or drivers if they cancelled two consecutive (16:45 and 17:00) departures.

    I now assume that the 700 service that should arrive after I get to the stop will be cancelled so I allow for a 30 minute wait. For a service that's scheduled to depart every 15 minutes.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Shortage of drivers is the issue. They're three full duties down on the 700 at least and I'm not so certain other duties are being operated in full.

    I had a friend going for a bus earlier and they couldn't be on despite being booked on the service in question as it was full of people who were booked on earlier buses that had been cancelled. Can't be fun driving on that route at the moment.

    The other thing is that daily now they're having to have several drivers in Dublin work the 705X to Derry because of a shortage of drivers in NI. The numbers required has increased since it was extended from Belfast to Derry and not all the Airporter staff came across.

    Next few days and weeks are going to be key. If it carries on or gets worse it really calls into question the decision for an operation short on drivers to spend several million by extending the 705X to Derry when perhaps that cash might have been better used to make terms more attractive to get staff to stay.



  • Registered Users Posts: 172 ✭✭belfast stephen


    talk of the 705x going hourly in the Next 6 weeks



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  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Yeah, because when you're struggling to staff existing duties to the point the reliability of the service on some of your routes is suffering the most obvious thing to do is to simply add further duties into the mix. That's bound to help isn't it.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,492 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    +1 More cancelled departures from Leopardstown (700) today on Facebook.... 10:00, 13:00, 13:30, 16:30 and 17:00.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Does seem that there are more Dublin based coaches out on the network today.

    However according to Bustimes.org it appears that they've got just two NI based coaches operating on the 705X today so far with five Dublin based coaches so far on what is supposed to be a service fully operated by the Northern Ireland arm which obviously then leaves Dublin short, hence cancellations on the 700.

    It does seem very much a case of robbing Peter to pay Paul.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 104 ✭✭halfpastneverr


    Is airport hare still running? one of their buses passed me at the Green Isle Hotel the other day, but the website and social media are both gone.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,924 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    They never "took off".

    Airport Hopper are running between the Airport and Maynooth or Tallaght.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,165 ✭✭✭Citrus_8


    Interesting. I just saw a Airport Hare bus in Ballymount Industrial Estate this Monday early afternoon.

    However, I can definitely confirm that Tallaght and Maynooth is operated by the Airport Hopper branded buses as I often see then around Liffey Valley.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,548 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    Hopper also have an unbranded gold Turas on some of the lighter load runs



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 69,548 ✭✭✭✭L1011


    221 reg Turas on the Hopper now with Celbridge on the route list on the decals.

    Dualway were about to launch this in 2020 so presumably whatever way the route authorities have transferred over means it's still on the cards



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,541 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    The Aircoach cancellations on the 700 is not great at all. I would suspect that if Aircoach continue to place more priority on making the 705X an hourly service from next week. The viability of the timetable for the 700 must come into sharp focus from now on.

    They are really making very huge attempts to overstretch themselves with trying to provide a service that it makes them look like the good boys in the Dublin Airport bus market.

    Although the damage done to provide that service makes them look not so smart in the long run. It is not a sustainable way in how to run a reliable bus service from one of the biggest airports in the country. It actually makes Aircoach look very foolish in the eyes of their paying customers.

    If these customers decide to make more complaints to Aircoach in future then so be it. It is Aircoach's problem to try and fix in the first place. They cannot survive in this market if they continue to create this joke of a service in the near future.

    It would probably make a lot of sense to me at this point that the service provision for the 700 would be placed on a more limited timetable from now on. A two hourly timetable to me for the 700 does make it look more palatable to make it look it can be timed like the 702/703's timetable.



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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,924 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Airport Hopper did mention on their FB page a while back that they had received a lot of requests to serve Celbridge.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    The trouble is they have got themselves into this place and it's going to be very hard to get out of it. I don't think any timetable increase can be sanctioned right now until they have the staffing and service reliability of things sorted out.

    It's all very well that they may say they will have some more Belfast drivers coming on stream for example, but we all know that over the past while they've had Dublin drivers have to bail the 705X service out on a regular basis as they don't have enough staff there. This business of having to keep robbing Peter to pay Paul on a regular basis needs to stop.

    Also cutting back the 700 would be akin to killing it. They can't afford to cut the timetable back because they have a very well resourced competitor who is already heavily out manoeuvring them in the commercial marketplace. If they cut city centre routes back to two an hour whilst their competition are running five or six, then they will never recover from that, but I agree the current scenario isn't much better. Unfortunately Aircoach have walked themselves into this situation and are left with no easy options.

    The only tactic I think I'd be looking at if I was thinking of this purely commercially rather than in customers interests, is to only having two services an hour doing the full route, with the rest of the services terminating at the Clayton Hotel on Leeson Street Upper since the rest of the stops don't really have a Dublin Express stop anywhere near. That should result in a reduction of driver requirements without bleeding passengers to the competition. But it would be subject to licensing and is not without risk about what competition might do about extending their routes.

    In reality though having got into this mess the best way that Aircoach can navigate out of it is trying to stop the haemorrhaging of drivers leaving and the only way that is going to happen is if they put their hands in their pockets and see it as in investment.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Aircoach Update

    07:25am to Cork was cancelled this morning and a number of Leopardstown services also cancelled.

    Aircoach have not posted anything about cancellations for a week or so before today, there have certainly been long gaps in service on the 700 during the week that coincide with services due not showing on on bustimes.org which suggests some services were not operating.

    Meanwhile Aircoach have also advertised yet another middle manager job, on top of the three already advertised.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,492 ✭✭✭✭coylemj


    It's bizarre that they're cancelling consecutive departures on the 700 service. There's a pair above - 12:00 and 12:15. It leads to absolute chaos when the coach gets to O'Connell St. and there's 30 or more people at the Carlton stop, many of them with a reservation on one of the cancelled services.

    They can't expect the 12:30 departure to carry the same passenger load as three (12:00, 12:15 and 12:30) coaches - surely they could rearrange the driver schedule to make sure they're not going more than 30 minutes without a departure?



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭soundman45


    Dublin Express in partnership with Quinns coach hire in Belfast have announced they are launching a service from Dublin City/Airport/Belfast. More details to be announced soon.



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    National Express are commercially excellent and they can smell an opportunity on that corridor so this isn't surprising at all. I sense that the opportunity is about to be exploited in a big way.

    I would imagine that National Express will have Quinns coach hire on fairly strict contracts with penalties for services that are not operated to make sure that they are right at the top of list when it comes to work performed by Quinns. They'd probably make it attractive for them as well by giving them a good deal and paying a good sum if they do run a full service

    There are some in the industry who think that all of this might be part of an elaborate multi-faceted commercial trap being set for Aircoach and this is just as much about the 700 as it is about the 705X. It'll be interesting to see what package they are offering staff and if they start actively trying to recruit Aircoach drivers and what the response would be by Aircoach.

    I think this shows what I have thought for a while. National Express are here and they are not going to go anywhere. They are happy to put the resources in and are not unhappy to upset the status quo. And they will not be found wanting when it comes to a battle. The launch of a Belfast route would send out a big statement of intent and everyone in the industry is going to sit up and take notice.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 315 ✭✭soundman45


    Decent package on offer for drivers, way above Aircoach NI pay rates



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    Aircoach are offering 12 pound an hour for new hires so this is well above that.

    NX are running rings round them at this point.



  • Registered Users Posts: 172 ✭✭belfast stephen


    also National Express are providing Brand New coaches for the serivce they will be Scania levante 3s for the serivce driver interviews have already Started taking Place



  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 11,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭devnull


    The new Levante's have good seats and are a much better coach than the original two versions in my book so they are going to really have the higher specification on the route to be honest.

    If Aircoach have gone for 55 seats on their new Mercs as is being reported on the Tapatalk Irish Road Passenger Transport forums and they are indeed the shorter 12.295m model of the Tourismo, there will be no contest when it comes to vehicle standards on this route.



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,541 ✭✭✭dublinman1990


    How many levante 3s have National Express have ordered for the new route? I see on Google that they are tri-axle coaches. They apparently don't come with twin axle format which would give a big boost of healthy competition to what is offered from Aircoach.



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