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Pelletstown station gets go-ahead

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    #62
    cronos
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    IE 222 wrote: »
    With DART been expanded onto the line in the near future is it a missed opportunity not to design the station and clear the site for passing loops to be included at a future date. DART and the increased frequencies will have a major impact on Sligo services. The Northern and Wexford lines are clear examples of the operational restrictions caused by not having passing loops available.

    I'd imagine they will do this at the ashtown station when they need to introduce the overpass.


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    #63
    IE 222
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    cronos wrote: »
    I'd imagine they will do this at the ashtown station when they need to introduce the overpass.

    Realistically the line should be quad at the very least from Broombridge to Ashtown. As you say there will be a major redevelopment of Ashtown in the future which could incorporate this and allow for quad tracking through the station and run up to Navan Rd station. No need to rebuild Broombridge but the quad tracking could start/finish just west of the station.

    This would give a wide window for passing manoeuvres without speed restrictions for either services as the DARTS will have 2 stops on the section along with the actual running line in between.


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    #64
    L1011
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    None of that is going to happen


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    #65
    IE 222
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    L1011 wrote: »
    None of that is going to happen

    Exactly, but it should. At the very least a station similar to clongriffin should be built. Users of the line should foresee and take note of the issues on the Northern and Wexford line due to Dart and be campaigning for these changes before it's too late.


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    #66
    Jamie2k9
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    Construction starting in weeks with completion in mid 2021.

    https://twitter.com/RCPCA1/status/1229514141599137792?s=20


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    #67
    Phil.x
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    Great, longer travelling times for the majority.


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    #68
    ongarboy
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    I do not understand the necessity for this station as there is only approx 2.4 km distance between Ashtown and Broombridge stations meaning any residents living between the two existing stations are no more than 1.2 kilometres away depending which of the stations are closer to where they live.


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    #69
    L1011
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    ongarboy wrote: »
    I do not understand the necessity for this station as there is only approx 2.4 km distance between Ashtown and Broombridge stations meaning any residents living between the two existing stations are no more than 1.2 kilometres away depending which of the stations are closer to where they live.

    1.2km distance is enough to push people to their cars.


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    #70
    PhoenixParker
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    ongarboy wrote: »
    I do not understand the necessity for this station as there is only approx 2.4 km distance between Ashtown and Broombridge stations meaning any residents living between the two existing stations are no more than 1.2 kilometres away depending which of the stations are closer to where they live.


    People on the other side of the track (Ashington) are much further from both stations.


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    #71
    thomasj
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    ongarboy wrote: »
    I do not understand the necessity for this station as there is only approx 2.4 km distance between Ashtown and Broombridge stations meaning any residents living between the two existing stations are no more than 1.2 kilometres away depending which of the stations are closer to where they live.

    Need we remind ourselves that a father and young child lost their lives, taking a "shortcut" over the tracks and canal into Pelletstown. It may not seem much of a trek from ashington into Pelletstown/ashtown station , but the trek upto the navan road down to the halfway house and down over the railway tracks is considerable.


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    #72
    MJohnston
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    Anyone know if the footbridges they’re installing here are behind the CIE barriers? If they’re publicly accessible instead, it’d provide some sorely needed permeability for this whole area - for Pelletstown to access Ashington Park, and for Ashington to access the amenities around Pelletstown. When I lived in RCP (this was before the new bridge too), the disconnect between the two areas was really frustrating, given the birds eye proximity.


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    #73
    Zebra3
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    ongarboy wrote: »
    I do not understand the necessity for this station as there is only approx 2.4 km distance between Ashtown and Broombridge stations meaning any residents living between the two existing stations are no more than 1.2 kilometres away depending which of the stations are closer to where they live.

    That's only people living directly between the two stations. Which is probably nobody, at best a handful.


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    #74
    PhoenixParker
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    MJohnston wrote: »
    Anyone know if the footbridges they’re installing here are behind the CIE barriers? If they’re publicly accessible instead, it’d provide some sorely needed permeability for this whole area - for Pelletstown to access Ashington Park, and for Ashington to access the amenities around Pelletstown. When I lived in RCP (this was before the new bridge too), the disconnect between the two areas was really frustrating, given the birds eye proximity.


    No barriers on the footbridge. As you note, it'll be great for access and connectivity.


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    #75
    Phil.x
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    L1011 wrote: »
    1.2km distance is enough to push people to their cars.

    I cycle more just to get to the train station. People in pelletstown could cycle into the city in no time at all.


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    #76
    bilbot79
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    PhoenixParker wrote: »
    No barriers on the footbridge. As you note, it'll be great for access and connectivity.

    If only you could buy shares in Romayos - Royal Canal Park


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    #77
    L1011
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    Phil.x wrote: »
    I cycle more just to get to the train station. People in pelletstown could cycle into the city in no time at all.

    You are wildly underestimating the laziness of the average person.


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    #78
    Zaph
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    Phil.x wrote: »
    Great, longer travelling times for the majority.

    I hope they intend putting more carriages on the trains, because they're already stretched to capacity at the moment during peak hours. I've seen people getting stuck on the train at Broombridge while they were trying to get off to connect with the Luas, simply because there were too many bodies in their way.


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    #79
    L1011
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    Zaph wrote: »
    I hope they intend putting more carriages on the trains, because they're already stretched to capacity at the moment during peak hours. I've seen people getting stuck on the train at Broombridge while they were trying to get off to connect with the Luas, simply because there were too many bodies in their way.

    There are no extra carriages to go in to service.

    There is a small order for additional 22000 series units in, these are the type used for some services to M3 Parkway. These will be clamoured for from all over the country so the benefit may not be noticed at all.

    The new DART carriages for when the line is electrified have not been ordered yet.


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    #80
    Zaph
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    L1011 wrote: »
    There are no extra carriages to go in to service.

    There is a small order for additional 22000 series units in, these are the type used for some services to M3 Parkway. These will be clamoured for from all over the country so the benefit may not be noticed at all.

    Yeah, I knew about the order for new stock, but without being totally flippant, where do Irish Rail expect all the extra passengers to go, on the roofs of the trains? You certainly won't fit too many more bodies on some of the trains I get to and from Docklands.
    L1011 wrote: »
    The new DART carriages for when the line is electrified have not been ordered yet.

    I'm not holding my breath for that. I moved to D15 in 2004, with one of the main attractions being that the line would be electrified "within the next few years". I reckon I'll be retired before it finally happens.


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    #81
    bilbot79
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    Phil.x wrote: »
    I cycle more just to get to the train station. People in pelletstown could cycle into the city in no time at all.

    And along the canal too. One of the most traffic free routes


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    #82
    Funkyjaw
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    Construction has started on the Ashington Park side of the canal, removing a lot of trees. Seems a bit excessive. I thought it was just a footbridge from the Ashington side and a cycle path. :(


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    #83
    Infini
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    L1011 wrote: »
    1.2km distance is enough to push people to their cars.

    Its a 15 to 20 min walk to Ashtown from ashington so definately not worth it, even further to the Luas from that side because your forced to walk around, the new setup makes a big difference and means less hassle for many not to mention the new bridge puts the Luas closer to many in Ashington.
    Funkyjaw wrote: »
    Construction has started on the Ashington Park side of the canal, removing a lot of trees. Seems a bit excessive. I thought it was just a footbridge from the Ashington side and a cycle path. :(

    Alot of that is in the way not to mention the wasteland and ditches that need to be cleared out, also some feckers would hide behind those bushes acting up as well, there's nothing of value lost by clearing out all of this.


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    #84
    coco7
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    Infini wrote: »
    Its a 15 to 20 min walk to Ashtown from ashington so definately not worth it, even further to the Luas from that side because your forced to walk around, the new setup makes a big difference and means less hassle for many not to mention the new bridge puts the Luas closer to many in Ashington..

    Does anyone know if the foot bridge will open earlier than train station? It will open up the canal area for residents on Ashington side and as you mention gives easier access to the Broombridge Luas and to cyclists how might want to use the canal to get into town.


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    #85
    Eric Cartman
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    Zaph wrote: »
    I'm not holding my breath for that. I moved to D15 in 2004, with one of the main attractions being that the line would be electrified "within the next few years". I reckon I'll be retired before it finally happens.

    An estate agent told my da a similar thing in the mid 80s when he bought his house in leixlip, thought it would be a great amenity and ‘sure therell be a dart every 20 minutes, get to work in no time at all’, he retires next year.


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    #86
    LeinsterDub
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    Phil.x wrote: »
    I cycle more just to get to the train station. People in pelletstown could cycle into the city in no time at all.

    Any many more would if it's wasn't so dangerous


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    #87
    LeinsterDub
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    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    An estate agent told my da a similar thing in the mid 80s when he bought his house in leixlip, thought it would be a great amenity and ‘sure therell be a dart every 20 minutes, get to work in no time at all’, he retires next year.

    Some tax cuts will get Dart expansion built won't they?


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    #88
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,283 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    Some tax cuts will get Dart expansion built won't they?

    Privatising the lot might...


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    #89
    LeinsterDub
    Registered Users Posts: 8,229 ✭✭✭LeinsterDub


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    Privatising the lot might...

    How much rail has private industry paid for in the UK? How many franchises have been bailed out?


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    #90
    Hurrache
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    LeinsterDub wrote: »
    Any many more would if it's wasn't so dangerous

    It's not, they've one of the safer commutes right into the city with it being on the canal.


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    #91
    LeinsterDub
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    Hurrache wrote: »
    It's not, they've one of the safer commutes right into the city with it being on the canal.

    Safer being very much relative. It's scary dark on the canals with a lot of pinch points and then you end up at the five lamps which is one of the worst road in Dublin.

    So for a good portion of it you only have to worry about being jumped rather than crushed which is safer I suppose


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