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Taoiseach shocked and dismayed at Sinn Fein TDs tweet on IRA attacks

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    #32
    KarlMarks
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭KarlMarks


    Its just Martin and Leo the Lier trying to create a controversy where there isn't one so people wont pay too much attention to the utter shambels of a government they are leading. They will have seen the opinion poll figures at the weekend and see that change is coming. That the people want a United Ireland, want a socialist alternative and want an end to a cosy two-party establishment dividing the spoils between them.


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    #33
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Have to agree with you there that Sinn Fein are proud of what the IRA did and what they supported them to do - the killing of children, the disappeance of mothers, the sexual abuse, the torture and killing of Paul Quinn, the rape of Mairia Cahill, the protection of Liam Adams, the kneecappings, the targetting of civilians etc.

    That is why this all needs to be pointed out, because while you and I will understand that Sinn Fein are proud of this history, too many people have forgotten what they are.

    In as much as some admire the BA, British Monarchy and the like despite the high level pedophilia, war crimes, protecting Prince Andrew, murders, rapes etc. etc.? If you want to look at it that way that's your business but I'd see it as a flawed blinkered view. Can you point to either the IRA or SF celebrating all of those you listed?
    When people vote for FF are they voting for Haughey level corruption? If they vote FG are they supporting glassing people in the face in a bar argument? Maybe they are aware of everything, weigh it up and choose to vote for who they believe is best suited at the time?


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    #34
    Nobotty
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    KarlMarks wrote: »
    It wasn't an idiotic tweet. It was a tweet from a Republican celebrating two military actions against the foreign army present on this island. This nonensne about Republicans being allowed to think these things but not say them should not be tolerated. FF and FG are making hay from this, and the 26 county SF party are falling for it. I just hope Ogra SF has more radical members as this is real tugging the forelock stuff from MLMD etc.

    What you call nonsense, if done all the time would lose SF an awful lot of votes


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    #35
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,223 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Bowie wrote: »
    In as much as some admire the BA, British Monarchy and the like despite the high level pedophilia, war crimes, protecting Prince Andrew, murders, rapes etc. etc.? If you want to look at it that way that's your business but I'd see it as a flawed blinkered view. Can you point to either the IRA or SF celebrating all of those you listed?
    When people vote for FF are they voting for Haughey level corruption? If they vote FG are they supporting glassing people in the face in a bar argument? Maybe they are aware of everything, weigh it up and choose to vote for who they believe is best suited at the time?

    Funny you should ask, but Bobby Storey was knee deep in a lot of the things I listed and he was celebrated by Sinn Fein (police investigation pending), not to mention the bould Gerry who was also involved.


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    #36
    Hqrry113
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    Nobotty wrote: »
    What you call nonsense, if done all the time would lose SF an awful lot of votes

    Would it really though? I don't think anyone who votes Sinn Fein could care less about IRA involvement during the troubles it's actually a reason a lot of people vote for them.


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    #37
    James Brown
    Closed Accounts Posts: 16,015 ✭✭✭✭James Brown


    blanch152 wrote: »
    Funny you should ask, but Bobby Storey was knee deep in a lot of the things I listed and he was celebrated by Sinn Fein (police investigation pending), not to mention the bould Gerry who was also involved.

    So no. Made up claims.


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    #38
    blanch152
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    Bowie wrote: »
    So no. Made up claims.

    What??? Sure wasn't his funeral with the white shirt brigade covered on the News for weeks? How could I be making up the celebration of Bobby Storey?


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    #39
    James Brown
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    blanch152 wrote: »


    What??? Sure wasn't his funeral with the white shirt brigade covered on the News for weeks? How could I be making up the celebration of Bobby Storey?

    Being dishonest again Blanch.
    Can you point to either the IRA or SF celebrating all of those you listed?

    You couldn't.


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    #40
    blanch152
    Registered Users Posts: 27,223 ✭✭✭✭blanch152


    Bowie wrote: »
    Being dishonest again Blanch.



    You couldn't.

    I just did, they celebrated one of the thugs who planned those things. Are you blind to what Bobby Storey was?

    Sinn Fein celebrated the life and times of a man who dedicated his time on this earth to cruelty towards his fellow man, a thug, a murderer, a bully and who had deep involvement in many of the things I listed.


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    #41
    Jinglejangle69
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    KarlMarks wrote: »
    Its just Martin and Leo the Lier trying to create a controversy where there isn't one so people wont pay too much attention to the utter shambels of a government they are leading. They will have seen the opinion poll figures at the weekend and see that change is coming. That the people want a United Ireland, want a socialist alternative and want an end to a cosy two-party establishment dividing the spoils between them.
    Who is "the people" you speak of?


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    #42
    Jinglejangle69
    Registered Users Posts: 7,238 ✭✭✭Jinglejangle69


    Floppybits wrote: »
    Seems to be. Just calling out the hypocrisy going on, Lads here defending what Leo Varadkar and Helen McEntee done the last few weeks and now are furious over a tweet. Can't be having it both ways.

    So we're never allowed have an opinion because we didn't agree with yours last week????

    Sure what's the point in any politicians ever been pulled up.

    How far do you allow us to go back to have an opinion before we can criticise SF?

    1 year, 2 years, 100 years???


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    #43
    ExMachina1000
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    Hqrry113 wrote: »
    Taoiseach Micheál Martin said he was “shocked and dismayed” by a controversial tweet sent by a Sinn Féin TD that referenced IRA attacks during the War of Independence and the Troubles.

    On Saturday, the Laois-Offaly TD tweeted in reference to the Kilmichael Ambush in 1920 and the Narrow Water Massacre in Warrenpoint, Co Down in 1979, claiming they were “the 2 IRA operations that taught the elite of d British army and the establishment the cost of occupying Ireland. Pity for everyone they were such slow learners”.

    Eighteen British soldiers were killed at Warrenpoint by the Provisional IRA on August 27th 1979 a deaf civilian was also killed after soldiers fired across the border into the Irish republic after the attack out of anger and rage.

    In the 1920 incident at Kilmichael, a total of 17 British soldiers were killed, alongside three members of the War of Independence-era IRA.

    Mr Martin said that the tweet by Laois-Offaly TD Brian Stanley was “appalling” and has done “huge damage”

    Do you really think the tweet was all that bad or is Michael just point scoring?

    I voted fg the last two elections. I think Sf are a populist party.

    But I think it's just clearly point scoring. Its politics and sf are attacking the government regularly on various topics.

    He shouldn't have typed it out obviously but they were British soldiers in Ireland in 1979 during the violence. I don't really care if the British army lost soldiers on the island of Ireland ,they took enough Irish ones and countless others around the world through violence, occupation and starvation.
    I doubt MM really does either. Politics


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    #44
    James Brown
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    blanch152 wrote: »
    I just did, they celebrated one of the thugs who planned those things. Are you blind to what Bobby Storey was?

    Sinn Fein celebrated the life and times of a man who dedicated his time on this earth to cruelty towards his fellow man, a thug, a murderer, a bully and who had deep involvement in many of the things I listed.

    You are dodging here quite clearly.
    You stated:
    blanch152 wrote: »
    Have to agree with you there that Sinn Fein are proud of what the IRA did and what they supported them to do - the killing of children, the disappeance of mothers, the sexual abuse, the torture and killing of Paul Quinn, the rape of Mairia Cahill, the protection of Liam Adams, the kneecappings, the targetting of civilians etc.

    That is why this all needs to be pointed out, because while you and I will understand that Sinn Fein are proud of this history, too many people have forgotten what they are.

    I asked. "Can you point to either the IRA or SF celebrating all of those you listed?".

    You can't. And you've been trying to pull the aul' switcheroo. Made up stuff for colour. Dishonest.


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    #45
    ElJeffe
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    Nothing wrong with the tweet imo.


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    #46
    Odhinn
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    ElJeffe wrote: »
    Nothing wrong with the tweet imo.




    Nothing at all.


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    #47
    weldoninhio
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    KarlMarks wrote: »
    It wasn't an idiotic tweet. It was a tweet from a Republican celebrating two military actions against the foreign army present on this island. This nonensne about Republicans being allowed to think these things but not say them should not be tolerated. FF and FG are making hay from this, and the 26 county SF party are falling for it. I just hope Ogra SF has more radical members as this is real tugging the forelock stuff from MLMD etc.

    Remembence is only for the Brits apparently. Flying reconditioned planes like the ones that firebombed civilians and refugees to death in Dresden over cheering crowds. Meanwhile Leo the Leak and Tanagan think we should be remembering the Black and Tans. But woe betide the Irish remembering the Irish!!!


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    #48
    Normal One
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    The spelling wasn't great, other than that he was spot on. Both great military operations against occupying forces.


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    #49
    end of the road
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    our boy's tweat was 100% correct, commemorating 2 necessary anti-terror operations against one of, if not the most evil army in the world who were brutalising our people up until a little over 20 years ago.
    it will be forgotten about in a couple of days like all the other stuff used to try and attack sf, sf's voter base is growing and they will one day be in government.
    remember ff and fg are 2 sides of the same type of politics ultimately.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #50
    Yamanoto
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    Unionisssts have abssssolutely nothing to fear from a Sssssshin Fein united Ireland

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    #51
    Normal One
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    end of the road wrote: »
    our boy's tweat was 100% correct, commemorating 2 necessary anti-terror operations against one of, if not the most evil army in the world who were brutalising our people up until a little over 20 years ago.
    it will be forgotten about in a couple of days like all the other stuff used to try and attack sf, sf's voter base is growing and they will one day be in government.
    remember ff and fg are 2 sides of the same type of politics ultimately.

    They'll wheel it out again at the next election, along with Paul Quinn's family. That's all they stand for.


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    #52
    marieholmfan
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    fifty percent plus one is sufficient for a united ireland.


    unionists are a nice to have.
    Yamanoto wrote: »
    Unionisssts have abssssolutely nothing to fear from a Sssssshin Fein united Ireland

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    #53
    smurgen
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    Blazer wrote: »
    We're supposed to be moving on from all this bull****.
    How are the protestants up north ever supposed to believe in unification when you still have muppets like this clown tweeting out this crap?
    Or do SF even care about what they think and if unification happens these people think they can do likewise to the prods like what they did to the catholics?
    Seriously what has that achieved but just murder and death on both sides.
    Its time for these SF clowns to get into the 21st century, put on their big boy pants, tell the IRA head honchos to **** off and die and maybe then they'll be ready to actually lead a country.
    But I doubt it by their recent behaviour.

    Plenty of protestants in the south. Always was.


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    #54
    Kraftwerk
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    weldoninhio wrote: »
    Remembence is only for the Brits apparently. Flying reconditioned planes like the ones that firebombed civilians and refugees to death in Dresden over cheering crowds. Meanwhile Leo the Leak and Tanagan think we should be remembering the Black and Tans. But woe betide the Irish remembering the Irish!!!

    You're completely and utterly wrong of course but you bring up a good point. Remembrance day celebrates those that died. While the half educated Sinn Fein gob****es celebrate killing people. Its like idiots tweeting about how Dresdan learned Hitler and then getting upset and crying about not being able to remember the English when people tell them to shut the **** up.

    Maybe we could have a whip around and send SF members on a course to teach them the difference between celebrating independence and celebrating terrorist attacks. Although I'd say it'll end up in someone's bank account while they keep quiet hoping nobody will ask for it back...


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    #55
    V8 Interceptor
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    timmyntc wrote: »
    Warrenpoint & Kilmichael were no different really.

    We glorify murder all the time when we commemorate the Rising and various other skirmishes around Civil war era.
    How is Warrenpoint (or Brian Stanleys tweet mentioning same) any different?

    Do the Orange Order glorify murder every 12th July?


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    #56
    tipptom
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    grassylawn wrote: »
    It's common to commemorate your own dead soldiers, or celebrate victories in wars or even battles.

    This is not any of those things, it's just celebrating killing.

    Okay so,when the pesky natives fight back against the bully invader then its just killing?

    Two well executed strike backs at the real terrorists of not only Ireland but most of the world.
    The Irish are admired all over the world for fighting back against this and people know who the real killers were and how they took their terrorist killing machine to small nations so they would be unfree.


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    #57
    woohoo!!!
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    There is no difference between the 2 actions, 50 years apart. It is utter hypocrisy to say the one in the 20s is ok, and the one in the 70s is not. Both were aimed at the British army.

    So the answer is, it's politics. Both actions were long ago and of what relevance today?

    I'd prefer to see our Taoiseach and Tanaiste to express their outrage at the British government for yet again failing to keep their word, have a public inquiry into the Finucane murder and blow wide open the levels of state sponsored collusion and terrorism.


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    #58
    V8 Interceptor
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    woohoo!!! wrote: »
    There is no difference between the 2 actions, 50 years apart. It is utter hypocrisy to say the one in the 20s is ok, and the one in the 70s is not. Both were aimed at the British army.

    Technically not but I admit to splitting hairs ;)


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    doublejobbing 2
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    SF are absolutely gas. They love this type of stuff yet would be absolutely aghast if a British/ unionist politician celebrated an event such as the Gibraltar SAS deaths or the Loughall ambush. Held parties in West Belfast when Thatcher died but are utterly disgusted when the loyalists adorn their 12th bonfires with stolen SF posters.

    Either it's all acceptable or none of it is. From both sides.

    But sure what would Mary Lou know. Like 98.1 percent of the population of the republic at the time (see 1987 election) she was about as aghast at IRA bomb attacks as any other fellow member of Fianna Fail (for some reason MLMD's former membership of FF is wiped from Wikipedia).

    Tis nearly as laughable as how Shinners like linking FG to old Nazi- lite photos of Blueshirt rallies prior to WW II, conveniently forgetting the IRA actively collaborated with the Nazis during the war.

    Still. Fascist scum off our streets etc etc....


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    #60
    Dempo1
    Registered Users Posts: 26,932 ✭✭✭✭Dempo1


    I've no opinion on the offending tweet albeit the end bit a little silly. I do however have an opinion on the neck of Arlene foster writing to complain to the Ceann Comhairle, can you imagine any TD writing to the speaker of the Northern assembly complaining, the Orange order would be out marching within an hour.

    But it gets worse, the Ceann Comhairle has responded rather than ignored Arlene Fosters intervention, stating the matter deserves a credible Political Response? WTF is that? Notwithstanding the fact he has no power whatsoever to sanction any TD for matters not pertaining to the functioning of the Dail.

    I've a suggestion for a response, F**K right off and get your own house in order. Outrageous the leader of the Dail entertaining any political interference from Arlene Foster.

    Is maith an scáthán súil charad.




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    woohoo!!!
    Registered Users Posts: 803 ✭✭✭woohoo!!!


    doublejobbing 2 wrote: »
    SF are absolutely gas. They love this type of stuff yet would be absolutely aghast if a British/ unionist politician celebrated an event such as the Gibraltar SAS deaths or the Loughall ambush. Held parties in West Belfast when Thatcher died but are utterly disgusted when the loyalists adorn their 12th bonfires with stolen SF posters.

    Either it's all acceptable or none of it is. From both sides.

    But sure what would Mary Lou know. Like 98.1 percent of the population of the republic at the time (see 1987 election) she was about as aghast at IRA bomb attacks as any other fellow member of Fianna Fail (for some reason MLMD's former membership of FF is wiped from Wikipedia).

    Tis nearly as laughable as how Shinners like linking FG to old Nazi- lite photos of Blueshirt rallies prior to WW II, conveniently forgetting the IRA actively collaborated with the Nazis during the war.

    Still. Fascist scum off our streets etc etc....
    There was collaboration with the Germans in both world wars. Enemy of my enemy...


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