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Putting your pronoun on Linkedin

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    #152
    Rologyro
    Registered Users Posts: 46 ✭Rologyro


    Andreas77 wrote: »
    Sex and gender have always been distinct concepts as far as I know. Gender is performative and in many senses, socially constructed. Sex is a biological precondition. If you don't understand the vocabulary you will struggle to make sense of the issues.

    If gender is a social construct, and not physical, then do people who physically alter their bodies to better “match” their desired gender not contradict the social construct idea?

    Are they suffering from a mental illness, brought about by a social construct, a symptom of which is a desire to physically alter themselves?


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    #153
    scamalert
    Registered Users Posts: 3,739 ✭✭✭scamalert


    decade back almost linkedin was a bit like facebook and pretty much dozens of agencies looking for people wtf has changed, i seen in another posts smth about portfolios loans - thought the site was to get connected with employers mainly, anyway not really interested, just dont see the point of site.


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    #154
    andekwarhola
    Registered Users Posts: 4,638 ✭✭✭andekwarhola


    Wibbs wrote: »
    What a grim assembly of spoilt mental cases. "Sensory overload"? I suggest a swift and forceful kick in your fat arse to reset that.

    Best comment on the video:

    'Point of personal privilege: Your jazz hands are creating a disrupting breeze, I'm developing a rash...... He/Him'


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    #155
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    TheAnalyst_ wrote: »
    https://youtu.be/bX9FgvXZXZ8

    This ones gives even more of an insight. The ‘sensory overload’ dude (oops, gendering) speaks again:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPLQNUVmq3o


    How do these people get through an average day? Such delicate doilies.


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    #156
    gormdubhgorm
    Registered Users Posts: 18,220 ✭✭✭✭gormdubhgorm


    high_king wrote: »
    Typical Transphobic Shyte. The sooner companies make this and gender neutral toilets compulsory the better.

    I never understand the need for 'gender neutral' toilets. Surely you just pick the ladies jacks and go into the privacy of a cubicle simple.
    Of course disabled toilets are 'gender neutral' and a lot of times in pubs they end up as store rooms....

    Guff about stuff, and stuff about guff.



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    #157
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,075 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    This ones gives even more of an insight. The ‘sensory overload’ dude (oops, gendering) speaks again:


    How do these people get through an average day? Such delicate doilies.
    Don't go into the safe spaces with an "aggressive scent". FFS. That room needs a Darwin level event to clear the decks of those spoilt mental cases. If there was ever an example of how some thankfully small sections of modern western society needs an enema, that's a good one.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #158
    HorrorScope
    Closed Accounts Posts: 421 ✭✭HorrorScope


    Wibbs wrote: »
    Don't go into the safe spaces with an "aggressive scent". FFS. That room needs a Darwin level event to clear the decks of those spoilt mental cases. If there was ever an example of how some thankfully small sections of modern western society needs an enema, that's a good one.

    It’s like a complete regression of human psyche to beyond an infant state, every person there is a pathetic waste of skin. There are children in Junior Infants more capable of dealing with the world than any of those ****in imbeciles in that video.


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    #159
    Gynoid
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,524 ✭✭✭Gynoid


    HorrorScope wrote: »
    It’s like a complete regression of human psyche to beyond an infant state, every person there is a pathetic waste of skin. There are children in Junior Infants more capable of dealing with the world than any of those ****in imbeciles in that video.

    I have observed a fetishisation of neurosis. To be neuro different in some way has been a badge of distinction for at least a decade. Look at the Ritalin kids generation, which was not just an American phenomenon, I had a UK friend who was an inspector if schools and 15 years ago she was remarking on the bottles lined up in the staff rooms all over the place. Anyway, big area, no time now...


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    #160
    Sittingpretty
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,872 ✭✭✭Sittingpretty


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    This ones gives even more of an insight. The ‘sensory overload’ dude (oops, gendering) speaks again:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPLQNUVmq3o


    How do these people get through an average day? Such delicate doilies.

    What a gathering of absolute fcukwits. Honestly, there are actual adults in that room that should know better and take control of such utter utter nonsense.


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    #161
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    Despite this subject being so ripe for excellent comedy, it is very real.
    Social policy has been captured by a cult-like ideology that erases women and homosexuals under the banner of fake 'rights'.
    Transgenderist self-ID (not to be confused with transsexualism) is the new cash cow of LGBTQIA2S- blah- blah orgs.
    These orgs post-2015 have extraordinary leverage with governments and therefore have controlled social policy which will negatively affect half the population

    Employers are now the BINGO! conduit to ram this sh1t down our necks.
    Your livelihood is now part of the sacrifice if you do not comply.


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    #162
    AulWan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭AulWan


    LollipopJimmy wrote: »
    It's become a requirement in a lot of American tech companies to have this in their email sig

    That's where I draw the line.

    If someone chooses to include their choice of pronoun in their email signature, I have no problem with that, and will follow their wishes.

    BUT I object to a company instructing an employee to include pronouns in their email signature as a requirement.

    ___________


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    #163
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    AulWan wrote: »
    That's where I draw the line.

    If someone chooses to include their choice of pronoun in their email signature, I have no problem with that, and will follow their wishes.

    BUT I object to a company instructing an employee to include pronouns in their email signature as a requirement.

    ___________

    One cannot just wish English grammar away. It gives a very bad impression of the writer and the company to a reader.


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    #164
    B_ecke_r
    Registered Users Posts: 491 ✭✭B_ecke_r


    There are only 2 genders.


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    #165
    jimgoose
    Registered Users Posts: 20,174 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    AulWan wrote: »
    ...I object to a company instructing an employee to include pronouns in their email signature as a requirement...

    In my view, that is gender-based harassment and intimidation on the part of such company against people who wish to keep their personal pronouns private. I'm not joking.


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    #166
    sbsquarepants
    Registered Users Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    B_ecke_r wrote: »
    There are only 2 genders.

    Kylie and Kendal?:D


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    #167
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    jimgoose wrote: »
    In my view, that is gender-based harassment and intimidation on the part of such company against people who wish to keep their personal pronouns private. I'm not joking.
    Is this secret pronouns a thing as well? :( Nobody owns pronouns, they belong to the language you are speaking.


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    #168
    jimgoose
    Registered Users Posts: 20,174 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Is this secret pronouns a thing as well? :( Nobody owns pronouns, they belong to the language you are speaking.

    No, what I'm driving at is employers have no business forcing people to publicise personal, gender- and/or sexuality-related stuff like that.


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    #169
    sbsquarepants
    Registered Users Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Is this secret pronouns a thing as well? :( Nobody owns pronouns, they belong to the language you are speaking.

    I just can't keep up with this shít. It's like the world has become a parody of itself. Literally nothing is too fúcking stupid for some group of clowns to demand it be taken seriously this days.

    Language just evolves, you can't force people to use certain words, if they don't gel naturally they just won't be used. New words are created all the time and fall into general usage while others just fade out - but it's next to impossible to control, it just happens organically.

    Look at that rapper bloke in the UK who has spent tons of money trying to get people to use the word "dench" all so he can own the word and sell shít with dench written on it. I occasionally see a t shirt or the likes but i have never once heard anyone say it. In all honesty it's a stupid fúcking word!


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    #170
    jimgoose
    Registered Users Posts: 20,174 ✭✭✭✭jimgoose


    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    ...Look at that rapper bloke in the UK who has spent tons of money trying to get people to use the word "dench" all so he can own the word and sell shít with dench written on it. I occasionally see a t shirt or the likes but i have never once heard anyone say it. In all honesty it's a stupid fúcking word!

    Has he asked Dame Judi Dench what she thinks about it?? :pac:


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    #171
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    jimgoose wrote: »
    No, what I'm driving at is employers have no business forcing people to publicise personal, gender- and/or sexuality-related stuff like that.
    I agree but the workplace is not a place to lay down social tendencies. People can be respectful without "personal choice" pronouns ever rearing their heads.


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    #172
    Paddy Cow
    Closed Accounts Posts: 6,576 ✭✭✭Paddy Cow


    sbsquarepants wrote: »

    Look at that rapper bloke in the UK who has spent tons of money trying to get people to use the word "dench" all so he can own the word and sell shwith dench written on it. I occasionally see a t shirt or the likes but i have never once heard anyone say it. In all honesty it's a stupid fúcking word!


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    #173
    AulWan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,653 ✭✭✭AulWan


    jimgoose wrote: »
    No, what I'm driving at is employers have no business forcing people to publicise personal, gender- and/or sexuality-related stuff like that.

    I agree. There should be no need for any more information then your name in a business email or professional profile, in my humble opinion.7

    For what its worth, I trained myself into the habit of writing in a gender neutral fashion (as much as its possible) for business purposes years ago before gender neutrality was even a thing. It's not that hard to do.


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    #174
    sbsquarepants
    Registered Users Posts: 11,812 ✭✭✭✭sbsquarepants


    jimgoose wrote: »
    Has he asked Dame Judi Dench what she thinks about it?? :pac:

    She's not allowed to use it anymore. She's just Dame Judy now;)


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    #175
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    sbsquarepants wrote: »
    I just can't keep up with this shít. It's like the world has become a parody of itself. Literally nothing is too fúcking stupid for some group of clowns to demand it be taken seriously this days.

    Language just evolves, you can't force people to use certain words, if they don't gel naturally they just won't be used. New words are created all the time and fall into general usage while others just fade out - but it's next to impossible to control, it just happens organically.

    Look at that rapper bloke in the UK who has spent tons of money trying to get people to use the word "dench" all so he can own the word and sell shít with dench written on it. I occasionally see a t shirt or the likes but i have never once heard anyone say it. In all honesty it's a stupid fúcking word!

    I think that’s what’s rubbing people up the wrong way. Some TRAs have latched onto “Language evolves!” to try and introduce this pronoun stuff but language evolution is organic.

    And honestly, even though ‘they’ could already be used as a singular, using it as a singular was never ideal for me. I chose it if no other word was available at that point.


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    #176
    biko
    Registered Users Posts: 81,223 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Rologyro wrote: »
    I saw this for the first time today on an Irish LinkedIn profile. Their name was down as “Jane Bloggs (she, her)”.
    Excellent, this makes separating the chaff from the wheat easier.


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    #177
    Sky King
    Registered Users Posts: 4,431 ✭✭✭Sky King


    Yeah. Can you imagine the sort of drip you'd be stuck with if you hired someone with their pronouns on their linkedin profile?


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    #178
    victor8600
    Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭victor8600


    Not all names are easily identifiable as either female or male. Take Alex for example, could be anything. So adding a pronoun can help with identifying a gender of the person. Personally though I think it is a form of cheating to add a gender-specific pronoun anyway because you are supposed to be hired for your expertise and not anything else.

    My pronoun is Dr. by the way ;)


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    #179
    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,474 ✭✭✭Obvious Desperate Breakfasts


    victor8600 wrote: »
    Not all names are easily identifiable as either female or male. Take Alex for example, could be anything. So adding a pronoun can help with identifying a gender of the person. Personally though I think it is a form of cheating to add a gender-specific pronoun anyway because you are supposed to be hired for your expertise and not anything else.

    My pronoun is Dr. by the way ;)

    How did people figure this out before? And if a mistake is made, big deal. It’ll get corrected.


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    #180
    victor8600
    Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭victor8600


    Obvious Desperate Breakfasts wrote: »
    How did people figure this out before? And if a mistake is made, big deal. It’ll get corrected.

    Well exactly, and putting pronouns is not needed on an employment-related site.


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    #181
    Ipso
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,995 ✭✭✭Ipso


    is_that_so wrote: »
    Is this secret pronouns a thing as well? :( Nobody owns pronouns, they belong to the language you are speaking.

    Sometimes.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latinx


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