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NoFap. Have you done it?

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    #32
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    cannotlogin wrote: »
    Why would anyone, male or female, attempt this, would you not crack up?

    Ok.

    ‘Why would someone stop drinking the occasional pint’


    Vs


    ‘Why should an alcoholic stop drinking’


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    #33
    cannotlogin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,172 ✭✭✭cannotlogin


    Oh I'm missing something here but I'm female so maybe I don't understand. Is it not just a natural urge that can't really be ignored?

    It might seem like a stupid question but I was serious - no understanding on the benefits if any.


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    #34
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    It's not related to testosterone but to dopamine. Dopamine causes you to seek reward, but the more often you do something like have an orgasm which floods your brain with dopamine, the more your brain trains itself not to react as intensely to the same amount. It's the same mechanism by which one needs more caffeine, alcohol, drugs etc to get the same level of "high" - the receptors in your brain which react to the release of neurotransmitters get "downgraded" in order to compensate, because the brain is designed to maintain a baseline.

    Refraining from orgasming for a period of time is like going a few weeks without coffee - the receptors which react to dopamine levels reset themselves to their previous sensitivity, just like when you abstain from coffee, your adenosine receptors reset, and when you abstain from alcohol, your GABA receptors reset. So it's definitely good for mood, but it doesn't have to be as extreme as the NoFap crowd suggest - receptors don't take three months of complete abstinence to reset, the majority of them go back to normal within a few weeks. The only major exception I know of are opiate receptors which take absolutely ages to reset, which is why a tolerance to drugs like heroin is so dangerous and can't just be gotten rid of from short term abstention.


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    #35
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    cannotlogin wrote: »
    Oh I'm missing something here but I'm female so maybe I don't understand. Is it not just a natural urge that can't really be ignored?

    It might seem like a stupid question but I was serious - no understanding on the benefits if any.

    The urge is caused by dopamine, which tells your brain to seek reward. The idea is that if you don't give it that reward through orgasm, you're more motivated to seek reward in other areas - by finishing the song you've been procrastinating about for ages, or by getting more exercise. All of these things trigger the same reward system as having an orgasm does, but they require more effort to achieve - the idea is that if you put that particular reward off the table for a period of time, dopamine builds up enough to tell your brain "f*ck it, stop waiting for an orgasm and do something else which will give you your high. Write something, or go for a run."


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    #36
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 13,712 ✭✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    I think this would be genuinely useful for anyone struggling with porn addiction, but for the rest of us normal lads who only watch that stuff four or five times a day, what's the big deal? Prudes.


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    #37
    arybvtcw0eolkf
    Closed Accounts Posts: 24,878 ✭✭✭✭arybvtcw0eolkf


    Whats the difference between an egg and a good ****?.

    You can beat an egg, but you can't beat a good **** :)


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    #38
    Galwayguy35
    Registered Users Posts: 16,273 ✭✭✭✭Galwayguy35


    Sure after a certain period of time the body empties the tank itself anyway.


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    #39
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Avatar MIA wrote: »
    Sheep need something to follow it seems.

    'I JERK OFF EVERY DAY IM SO WOKE'

    tell me, which is your favorite advertising platform (that happen to host pornographic videos) ?


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    #40
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users Posts: 28,389 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    There's a whole industry around devices to 'help' guys to achieve their goals.

    Here's one provider - Not safe for work: https://lockthecock.eu/collections/male-chastity-devices?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIq8io2Y7B4AIVBLftCh2q1QprEAAYASAAEgJJAvD_BwE


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    #41
    Wibbs
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,075 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    "No fap" more imported Yank BroScience™ at work.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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    #42
    sk8erboii
    Site Banned Posts: 1,253 ✭✭✭sk8erboii


    Wibbs wrote: »
    "No fap" more imported Yank BroScience™ at work.

    Is stopping the drink if youre alcoholic a broscience?

    If not, then how is stopping masturbation if youre addicted a broscience?


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    #43
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Wibbs wrote: »
    "No fap" more imported Yank BroScience™ at work.

    The relationship between scarcer / rarer orgasms and increased D2 receptor sensitivity is fairly well established so it's not broscience, as I say though the NoFap crowd are unnecessarily extreme about it in terms of their preaching 90 or 120 day "fasts" when 2-3 weeks is plenty. As I mentioned previously, the only neurotransmitter receptor system which is an exception to this (as far as I know, others might be able to add more here?) are opiate receptors, which are absolute f*ckers to reset once they reach a certain threshold of de-sensitisation. Most others operate on short timescales in terms of how they react to over or under stimulation.


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    #44
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,602 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Flyingsnowball wrote: »
    Are you saying people are watching porn and fapping all day and can’t even get out of bed to feed the cat?

    The poor mickeys on them.

    I once inflamed my foreskim when I was younger. Everyone was away and I fapped the day away.

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #45
    Feisar
    Registered Users Posts: 6,602 ✭✭✭Feisar


    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    It's not related to testosterone but to dopamine. Dopamine causes you to seek reward, but the more often you do something like have an orgasm which floods your brain with dopamine, the more your brain trains itself not to react as intensely to the same amount. It's the same mechanism by which one needs more caffeine, alcohol, drugs etc to get the same level of "high" - the receptors in your brain which react to the release of neurotransmitters get "downgraded" in order to compensate, because the brain is designed to maintain a baseline.

    Refraining from orgasming for a period of time is like going a few weeks without coffee - the receptors which react to dopamine levels reset themselves to their previous sensitivity, just like when you abstain from coffee, your adenosine receptors reset, and when you abstain from alcohol, your GABA receptors reset. So it's definitely good for mood, but it doesn't have to be as extreme as the NoFap crowd suggest - receptors don't take three months of complete abstinence to reset, the majority of them go back to normal within a few weeks. The only major exception I know of are opiate receptors which take absolutely ages to reset, which is why a tolerance to drugs like heroin is so dangerous and can't just be gotten rid of from short term abstention.

    Can I ask you where nicotine is on the spectrum?

    First they came for the socialists...



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    #46
    Boom_Bap
    Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,730 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    I'm doing it at the moment, I've lasted about 2 minutes so far.


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    #47
    Boom_Bap
    Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,730 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    .....and I've failed.


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    #48
    Agricola
    Registered Users Posts: 6,547 ✭✭✭Agricola


    Nofap sounds to me like a sort of #metoo movement for American teenage shut ins who are addicted to internet porn and need some way to reconnect with reality.

    Get a job and a girlfriend. Then you won't have time to **** all day and you'll have better things to do with it at night.

    Just don't get married cos she'll let herself go completely, on the cream buns, then you may go back on the aul porn again. It's a tightrope act, tbf.


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    #49
    Cienciano
    Registered Users Posts: 14,226 ✭✭✭✭Cienciano


    The thing is, the whole nofap movement (yes, I'm calling it a movement) has gone too far. Check out the subreddits on it, the guys doing it are weird. And like everything, it's picked a political side. The Proudboys were big into it. And of course the Christians have latched onto it


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    #50
    TheIrishGrover
    Registered Users Posts: 5,970 ✭✭✭TheIrishGrover


    All Boards and no Fap make Grover something something......


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    #51
    valoren
    Registered Users Posts: 5,458 ✭✭✭valoren


    It's a positive thing as in it will help prevent delayed ejaculation which is the complete opposite of premature ejaculation. The problem with ED is that you can effectively condition yourself to blow by hand only and when you have sex it's just not the same and you can't spill your beans 'hands free' even if highly aroused. **** using a 'death grip' causes it. So for anyone with ED then refraining from nutting using your hand can re-sensitive your mickey and for that the whole NoFap thing is a positive but I don't subscribe to the whole don't **** to become more productive, focused aspect.


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    #52
    hatrickpatrick
    Registered Users Posts: 17,797 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    Feisar wrote: »
    Can I ask you where nicotine is on the spectrum?

    I'm honestly not sure as I've never got into smoking so never had a reason to investigate (investigated opiates not because of my own use but just out of curiosity about why they were such nasty f*ckers for long term dependence), I'll have a look and see what I can find. Nicotine has its own receptor system but it also involves a whole bunch of others (including dopamine receptors) so it'd be a complicated one to untangle.

    My own interest in the dopamine receptor system and how it works comes from discovering, during attempted treatment and blood testing for some hormonal issues, that my prolactin / dopamine ratio was completely out of whack and trying to fix it without going down the expensive and invasive route of getting an ADHD diagnosis (in Ireland, getting treated for this involves multiple visits to €200/session psychiatrists every year). I'm fairly convinced that my own issues in relation to dopamine sensitivity stem from chronic medication with pseudoephedrine (Sudafed) as a teenager to deal with recurrent sinus infections, which unbeknownst to me (or my family) at the time is also a weak amphetamine (similar to adderall) with effects involving both dopamine and norepinephrine reuptake. Once you go down the rabbit hole of trying to understand brain chemistry and neurotransmission, it's a fascinating area but it's also extraordinarily complicated and I suspect one could study it full time for years as a college major or post-grad and still not fully understand every part of it.

    I will have a look through my bookmarks to see if I can find any definitive breakdown of how nicotine works in this context - I don't trust random results from Google which will all tell you different things with varying levels of actual accuracy, you want scientific data sheets as opposed to articles written in prose if that makes sense.


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