Why aren't there more strong Dublin accents in the media?

ILoveYourVibes · 23-09-2020 1:45pm

mariaalice wrote: »

I work in what is considered a very working-class part of north side Dublin and the accents are varied among the locals.

What you seem to mean is why we don't hear a nasily (often associated with jukies ) Dublin accent but the thing is, it's a miniorth accent in Dublin and is of recent origant.

I know ...its where my family are from.

But its not Brid Smith is it?

ILoveYourVibes · 23-09-2020 1:47pm

Assetbacked wrote: »

A lot of RTE Dubliners exaggerating the posh accent seem to come from the Northside. It is as if they have an inferiority complex and are so desperate to elevate themselves from the Northside stereotype (Caitriona Perry, Dermot Bannon, Aengus Mac Grianna etc).

Yup.

Badly Drunk Boy · 23-09-2020 1:47pm

mariaalice wrote: »

You here Gino Kenny as having a middle-class southside accent?

According to Wikipedia, he has been living in the middle-class southside area of Neilstown since he was 7.

ILoveYourVibes · 23-09-2020 1:48pm

Badly Drunk Boy wrote: »

According to Wikipedia, he has been living in the middle-class southside area of Neilstown since he was 7.

I have a good ear.

mariaalice · 23-09-2020 2:02pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

I have a good ear.

Either you are desperate to be right.

Or

You are joking

Or

You are showing up your own predigist.

Dyr · 23-09-2020 2:09pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

https://www.rte.ie/archives/2020/0124/1110569-mind-your-language/

This is an interesting piece from the AR-TEE-EE archives. Late late show in 1985. Yer man with the answers isn't a bit endearing but it illustrates the point about where th e RTE accent comes from.

Some of the media courses in universities used to teach the Dublin media accent as part of presentation skills

Dyr · 23-09-2020 2:11pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

This is a beautiful perfect precious strong Dublin accent.

God bless it and preserve it!

Whatever about the accent shes another professional dub who hams it up for the Irish media. Sure Coddle and me Ma, Pat, and the King crisp sangwiches.

ILoveYourVibes · 23-09-2020 2:20pm

mariaalice wrote: »

Either you are desperate to be right.

Or

You are joking

Or

You are showing up your own predigist.

No I just know accents. And since most of my family have different northside accents as they live in ...liberties ..tallaght finglas and cabra I am familiar with them.

Yes I know not everyone from Tallaght has that accent ...but my family do.

ILoveYourVibes · 23-09-2020 2:23pm

Bambi wrote: »

Whatever about the accent shes another professional dub who hams it up for the Irish media. Sure Coddle and me Ma, Pat, and the King crisp sangwiches.

No she is really from the liberties.

That is her real accent. My dad has this accent. He is also from there.

In fact her accent used to be stronger a few years ago.

trashcan · 23-09-2020 2:30pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

What you've written there isn't how they speak though. They don't say ORTEE. They say AR-TEE-EE, which is correct. They would never say awwcent. I think you're mistaking RTE accent for Dort accent.

What makes you say its correct ? I've never heard anyone outside of Arrr T EE pronounce it that way (apart from Pirates as mentioned earlier

"

I would have a fairly flat Dublin accent I think, and am from a very working class area, but I also pronounce my words properly. The two things dont have to be mutually exclusive. I can also use grammar properly when writing (which is another conversation - there/their/they're, been/being etc etc.)

Dyr · 23-09-2020 2:38pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

No she is really from the liberties.

That is her real accent. My dad has this accent. He is also from there.

In fact her accent used to be stronger a few years ago.

I didnt say shes putting on her accent did I? I said shes another professional dub who plays up the whole truebluedub routine up for the Irish media.

El_Duderino 09 · 23-09-2020 2:49pm

trashcan wrote: »

What makes you say its correct ? I've never heard anyone outside of Arrr T EE pronounce it that way (apart from Pirates as mentioned earlier "

I would have a fairly flat Dublin accent I think, and am from a very working class area, but I also pronounce my words properly. The two things dont have to be mutually exclusive. I can also use grammar properly when writing (which is another conversation - there/their/they're, been/being etc etc.)

Well, letters and words have a correct pronunciation. There might be loads of ways to pronounce the letter R. But there's a correct way and nd that's AR. Lots of people pronounce it "OR" but that's not correct. I didn't make the rules and I'm not suggesting that I pronounce things correctly. But the RTE accent adheres to the correct pronunciation.

Are you suggesting that they isn't a correct way to pronounce letters and words?

Ush1 · 23-09-2020 2:59pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

No I just know accents. And since most of my family have different northside accents as they live in ...liberties ..tallaght finglas and cabra I am familiar with them.

Yes I know not everyone from Tallaght has that accent ...but my family do.

The original Tallaght accent is a soft county Dublin almost Wicklow accent. The accent associated with Tallaght today is people mostly from the North inner city who were relocated to west Tallaght.

Most of the rest of Tallaght has a milder accent as many of them were families moved from the country. My road growing up as a kid was a huge amount of country families who had moved to Tallaght (including my own).

mariaalice · 23-09-2020 3:24pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

No I just know accents. And since most of my family have different northside accents as they live in ...liberties ..tallaght finglas and cabra I am familiar with them.

Yes I know not everyone from Tallaght has that accent ...but my family do.

My point, there are situations when accent might not help but politics is not one of them.

El_Duderino 09 · 23-09-2020 3:51pm

mariaalice wrote: »

My point, there are situations when accent might be judged but politics is not one of them.

Ah, come off it. That's absolutely wrong.

The research about accents says that people make quick first impression decisions about other people very quickly based on superficial. The more information we get about people, the more different parts of their personality we see, the more situations we see them in, the less important the first impression becomes because there is loads more information to for an opinion. But politics is one of those things where we never get to know more about the person, we just keep seeing them in the same circumstance.

In other words, accent and other superficial indicatorids are very important in politics.

trashcan · 23-09-2020 4:17pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Well, letters and words have a correct pronunciation. There might be loads of ways to pronounce the letter R. But there's a correct way and nd that's AR. Lots of people pronounce it "OR" but that's not correct. I didn't make the rules and I'm not suggesting that I pronounce things correctly. But the RTE accent adheres to the correct pronunciation.

Are you suggesting that they isn't a correct way to pronounce letters and words?

Well that depends. You say you don’t make the rules, but you don’t say what the rule
Is that says it should be AR.

mariaalice · 23-09-2020 4:26pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Ah, come off it. That's absolutely wrong.

The research about accents says that people make quick first impression decisions about other people very quickly based on superficial. The more information we get about people, the more different parts of their personality we see, the more situations we see them in, the less important the first impression becomes because there is loads more information to for an opinion. But politics is one of those things where we never get to know more about the person, we just keep seeing them in the same circumstance.

In other words, accent and other superficial indicatorids are very important in politics.

If that was the case then certain poilititions would never get elected based on their accent but they do.

There is often a dislike for posh accents as well.

El_Duderino 09 · 23-09-2020 4:28pm

trashcan wrote: »

Well that depends. You say you don’t make the rules, but you don’t say what the rule
Is that says it should be AR.

Not sure what you're saying here. The correct pronunciation of the letter R, is Ar and that's why RTE presenters pronounce it the way the do.

mariaalice · 23-09-2020 4:29pm

Bambi wrote: »

Whatever about the accent shes another professional dub who hams it up for the Irish media. Sure Coddle and me Ma, Pat, and the King crisp sangwiches.

Or you could take the more benigen view that she never felt she has to change her accent to fit in with a showbiz career.

ShatterAlan · 23-09-2020 4:51pm

its_steve116 wrote: »

It seems to me that Joe Duffy is the only well-known broadcaster in Ireland with what could be considered a strong Dublin accent. Why do a lot of Dublin broadcasters have neutral or posh accents?

You don't really hear strong regional accents from anywhere in the media except maybe sports commentators / pundits. I'm also thinking about UK media. You don't get presenters with serious cockney, scouser, geordie, Glasgow or that ooh-aaar country accent

They're all pretty neutral accents.

imme · 23-09-2020 7:00pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

why aren't there more working class dublin accents in politics?

Joan Collins some sort of independent TD
Brid Smith PBP or whatever you're having yourself TD
Gino's (italian ice cream) Kenny PBP TD
Clare Daly MEP
Louise O'Reilly SF
Dessie Ellis SF
Catherine Byrne former FG TD

There are a few.

imme · 23-09-2020 7:02pm

Emmet Kirwan the 'actor' and public intellectual sometimes has a strong ish Dublin when it suits him.

To hear him change his accent, posh affectation, to do a radio ad for UCD is funny.

JupiterKid · 23-09-2020 7:52pm

The very same reason why you won’t hear strong accents on the BBC (they invented “received pronounciation” - the upper middle class/Bridget Jones accent) or only any TV channel around the world - strong accents often are hard to understand and grate on the ear.

Yes, I have a very neutral accent myself....

Brendan Flowers · 23-09-2020 8:23pm

Who was the guy that used to present a Saturday morning kids show on RTE back in the 90's?

imme · 23-09-2020 8:30pm

Brendan Flowers wrote: »

Who was the guy that used to present a Saturday morning kids show on RTE back in the 90's?

TV or radio

Brendan Flowers · 23-09-2020 8:43pm

imme wrote: »

TV or radio

TV. Would've been back in the days of Network 2. He was a young guy, probably 20's. Real thick dub accent from what I remember. I feel like his name could've been Kev...

SEPT 23 1989 · 23-09-2020 8:47pm

Brendan Flowers wrote: »

Who was the guy that used to present a Saturday morning kids show on RTE back in the 90's?

Kevin

trashcan · 23-09-2020 8:50pm

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

Not sure what you're saying here. The correct pronunciation of the letter R, is Ar and that's why RTE presenters pronounce it the way the do.

I thought I was being quite clear. You haven't said why that is the correct pronunciation. Because you say so ?

imme · 23-09-2020 8:52pm

Brendan Flowers wrote: »

TV. Would've been back in the days of Network 2. He was a young guy, probably 20's. Real thick dub accent from what I remember. I feel like his name could've been Kev...

Nothing springs to mind, searches throw up nothing.

chosen1 · 23-09-2020 11:17pm

imme wrote: »

Joan Collins some sort of independent TD
Brid Smith PBP or whatever you're having yourself TD
Gino's (italian ice cream) Kenny PBP TD
Clare Daly MEP
Louise O'Reilly SF
Dessie Ellis SF
Catherine Byrne former FG TD

There are a few.

Weird one with Clare Daly.

Daughter of an army colonel, from Newbridge and has a working class Dublin accent. She's like the opposite of a Mayo girl that has just spent 2 weeks in UCD.

El Tarangu · 24-09-2020 8:57am

Truthvader wrote: »

I wouldn't be using Joe Duffy as an example of anything I was trying to promote

ah, whoyyy?

Tbh, I have a (not especially strong) Dublin accent, and I have no particular desire to hear Dublin accents on the radio or television to better represent me. I occasionally have to record and edit video of myself as part of my job, and I wince at some of my stronger Dublin-isms.

At the end of the day, particular people are going to dislike certain accents, and presenters have to appeal to, and (more importantly) make themselves understood to, as wide an audience as possible, and the easiest way to do that is with a very neutral way of speaking.

Brendan Flowers · 24-09-2020 11:07am

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Kevin

imme wrote: »

Nothing springs to mind, searches throw up nothing.

Found him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5Z_nuoIbZc

Edgware · 24-09-2020 6:13pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

why aren't there more working class dublin accents in politics?

No need when you have Kildare people like Claire Daly coming in to represent the wuuuuurking class with her pseudo Dubbbalin accent. Anyway havent they Dessie Ellis on the average working wage

Edgware · 24-09-2020 6:16pm

Brendan Flowers wrote: »

TV. Would've been back in the days of Network 2. He was a young guy, probably 20's. Real thick dub accent from what I remember. I feel like his name could've been Kev...

He's had his 15 minutes of fame. Now you are likely to hear him say. D'want chips with that?

Hangdogroad · 24-09-2020 7:10pm

imme wrote: »

Nothing springs to mind, searches throw up nothing.

Kevin the Teenager.

imme · 24-09-2020 8:47pm

Brendan Flowers wrote: »

Found him

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K5Z_nuoIbZc

Yes, I think I remember him.
Did he appear on multiple TV programmes.

He's a sort of intellectual. :pac:

What ever happened to him.

imme · 24-09-2020 8:52pm

Edgware wrote: »

No need when you have Kildare people like Claire Daly coming in to represent the wuuuuurking class with her pseudo Dubbbalin accent. Anyway havent they Dessie Ellis on the average working wage

Did she live in Dublin maybe growing up.

Her father was from kildare as you and another poster have said, but that doesn't mean that she grew up in kikdare.

Dessie, could you call him a Smoked Salmon Shinner.

Edgware · 24-09-2020 9:23pm

imme wrote: »

Did she live in Dublin maybe growing up.

Her father was from kildare as you and another poster have said, but that doesn't mean that she grew up in kikdare.

Dessie, could you call him a Smoked Salmon Shinner.

Her father was an Irish army officer and she grew up in Kildare not in the Ballymun projects

Edgware · 24-09-2020 9:24pm

imme wrote: »

Did she live in Dublin maybe growing up.

Her father was from kildare as you and another poster have said, but that doesn't mean that she grew up in kikdare.

Dessie, could you call him a Smoked Salmon Shinner.

No. I think a bomb making bastard would be more accurate

24-09-2020 9:55pm

They're all too busy flogging stuff in Moore St. and Meath St. They can't be everywhere.

You need a good old Dub voice that carries in those locations. It doesn't really work on the radio. Except for Joe. He's basically a diversity hire, before there was such a thing.

Thelonious Monk · 24-09-2020 10:06pm

Saoirse Ronan seems to talk with a kind of flat Dublin accent I think she got it from her parents. This seems to really annoy non Dubliners for some reason but I find it refreshing that she doesn't talk with the usual rindabite dorsch accent that most women in the media have.

El Tarangu · 24-09-2020 10:17pm

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

Saoirse Ronan seems to talk with a kind of flat Dublin accent I think she got it from her parents. This seems to really annoy non Dubliners for some reason but I find it refreshing that she doesn't talk with the usual rindabite dorsch accent that most women in the media have.

There has been some runaway accent inflation going on if Saoirse Ronan talks with a 'flat Dublin accent'.

Thelonious Monk · 24-09-2020 10:20pm

El Tarangu wrote: »

There has been some runaway accent inflation going on if Saoirse Ronan talks with a 'flat Dublin accent'.

That's what it sounds like to me

El Tarangu · 24-09-2020 10:22pm

chosen1 wrote: »

Weird one with Clare Daly.

Daughter of an army colonel, from Newbridge and has a working class Dublin accent. She's like the opposite of a Mayo girl that has just spent 2 weeks in UCD.

Never thought I'd see the day where I spoke up in defence of Clare Daly, but was her family actually from Newbridge, or from Dublin, but living in Newbridge because her father was based there?

If the latter, then it would account for her accent. Though this could be accounted for also by her living in Dublin for 30 years, mingling with rough-hewn shop stewards and the like.

Alejandro68 · 24-09-2020 10:27pm

Just thinking with myself here, but why do the rest of Ireland not produce their own shows or news? Instead it is always RTE and Dublin based? The places I have visited and explored outside Dublin has as much history and ideals than what Dublin is spitting out at the moment. Just musing and yes I may have had too much to drink lol.

Deebles McBeebles · 24-09-2020 10:37pm

Is it 'inallinanyways' or 'inallinalleyways'? I've always wondered but never asked.

John_Rambo · 24-09-2020 10:50pm

Real Life wrote: »

Brian Kerr represents to the fullest

Proper regional Irish accent. No apologies & entirely understandable.

dd973 · 24-09-2020 11:34pm

They've loads more accents in England but don't they don't go on about theirs the way we do ours.

Oddly enough most people here think the entire 60 million English population reside between Barking and Basildon when we imitate an English accent, isn't there such a thing as Mancunians, Scousers, Geordies, Yorkshire people and Bristolians?

chrissb8 · 25-09-2020 8:42pm

John_Rambo wrote: »

Proper regional Irish accent. No apologies & entirely understandable.

Really?..."Dat fella Neemar" or "Saodio Mane"

Brian Kerr couldn't get to the end of the alphabet. Awful example of a Dubliner who can barely speak, when his job is just that. Even worse on the radio "EHH I'M NOT TO SHURE WHO IHT WAZ BUT IT WAZ A DEECENT EFFORT"

He's abysmal.

Galwayguy35 · 25-09-2020 8:45pm

Love Hate was kind of the opposite, they all sound dead posh in real life.

Same for Carol in Fair City.

Why aren't there more strong Dublin accents in the media?

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