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Michael Conlan Pro Debut

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  • #102
    snowflaker
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    He was in the Basement in the Garden, its 5,000 seats. Let's not jump ahead of ourselves lads


  • #103
    Blanco100
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    snowflaker wrote: »
    He wasn't responding at all. Ref was correct.

    I don't agree. He had his hands up, it wasn't the type of sustained attack that should end a fight. Only 1-2 of conlan shots found the target.

    Agree to disagree. No doubt whatsoever he'd stop him but theven timing was questionable in my opinion as it usually is when a prospect needs to build his record in the early stages.


  • #104
    snowflaker
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    In the Era of Trump and Farage Arum knows all the plebs want is shiny slogans and gawdy gimmicks. This isn't boxing- this is show business!


  • #105
    snowflaker
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    Blanco100 wrote: »
    I don't agree. He had his hands up, it wasn't the type of sustained attack that should end a fight. Only 1-2 of conlan shots found the target.

    Agree to disagree. No doubt whatsoever he'd stop him but theven timing was questionable in my opinion as it usually is when a prospect needs to build his record in the early stages.

    There was three seperate barrages of punches that reined in on the guy. He's not their to get seriously hurt


  • #106
    begbysback
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    Can't wait to see him fighting in Ireland, has great potential and will be intriguing to see how he gets on with the big boys in his weight, just hope he has the opportunity to learn his trade first before he's matched up to them


  • #107
    Morrison J
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    [Deleted User] wrote: »
    Is Hearn a bit biased toward the British olympian winnners turned pro?

    He seems to rate Katie but tbf for years she is the very very best that is out there. Eddie Hearn is also very fond of getting his mug in front of the camera

    Those pros who sign with him literally seek out Hearn as that's where the £££ is. Hearn will only take them so far though. He's not in the same league as Top Rank matchmaking wise for example either.

    Only reason he's linked up with Katie Taylor is because she's a cheap option to stick on his PPV undercards and she sells. That's the harsh reality really. It's all about the money with Hearn, not the fighters.


  • #108
    [Deleted User]
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    snowflaker wrote: »
    Hearn is the UK. Arum is USA.

    How many of his fighters are even known outside the U.K. (And Irl)

    That is quite true tbf but at the same time there is the potential for a packed o2 or Wembley and a sky deal?


  • #109
    snowflaker
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    begbysback wrote: »
    Can't wait to see him fighting in Ireland, has great potential and will be intriguing to see how he gets on with the big boys in his weight, just hope he has the opportunity to learn his trade first before he's matched up to them

    Arum won't rush him. I'd say he'll fight in the states a lot


  • #110
    Morrison J
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    snowflaker wrote: »
    He was in the Basement in the Garden, its 5,000 seats. Let's not jump ahead of ourselves lads

    Why play it down? It's literally unheard of to sell it out and get that kind of hype for a pro debut. Not since De La Hoya.


  • #111
    snowflaker
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    That is quite true tbf but at the same time there is the potential for a packed o2 or Wembley and a sky deal?

    Sky is pish money compared to the US market- do you know how much PPV sells for over there???

    Conlan will only be home if he doesn't make it over there.


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  • #112
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    snowflaker wrote: »
    Hearn is the UK. Arum is USA.

    How many of his fighters are even known outside the U.K. (And Irl)


    Other than AJ not many id say.


  • #113
    snowflaker
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    Morrison J wrote: »
    Why play it down? It's literally unheard of to sell it out and get that kind of hype for a pro debut. Not since De La Hoya.

    Didn't Khan have a huge debut? I'm sure many other boxers did too.


  • #114
    Morrison J
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    snowflaker wrote: »
    Conlan will only be home if he doesn't make it over there.

    It's in his contract that he fights in Ireland once a year. Basically a done deal he'll fight in the Odyssey in Belfast in November with his brother on the card too.


  • #115
    Blanco100
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    Morrison J wrote: »
    Not at all. Top Rank don't have guys who can fill the MSG arena on their pro debut. Likes of Terrance Crawford still struggle to sell it out and he's an elite top 10 guy. Conlan is already one of their most valuable fighters on their roster. He sells and will continue to sell because he's ridiculously marketable.

    Fair play on the sell out but Terence Crawford didn't sell out the main building, Conlan didn't fight in main building so it's a poor reference to make.

    I don't doubt he's marketable. If we are talking quality then it's early days. John Duddy was popular and marketable let's hope Conlan lives up to the hype.

    The point stands, Bob arum has prospects coming out of his ears. No doubt on cinco de mayo he will have a shiny new Mexican superstar prospect selling out in el paso.

    I hope Conlan is a quality boxer to get behind rather than a marketable paddy who ends up being a gatekeeper fighting on undercards of where the real elite are at.


  • #116
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    snowflaker wrote: »
    Sky is pish money compared to the US market- do you know how much PPV sells for over there???

    Conlan will only be home if he doesn't make it over there.

    Im thinking though, does Fox get the tv rights to whatever Sky gets? im not arguing with you btw but merely inquisitive as to who are the big big players.


  • #117
    snowflaker
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Im thinking though, does Fox get the tv rights to whatever Sky gets? im not arguing with you btw but merely inquisitive as to who are the big big players.

    Showtime Box
    HBO
    ESPN boxing


  • #118
    Morrison J
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    Blanco100 wrote: »
    Fair play on the sell out but Terence Crawford didn't sell out the main building, Conlan didn't fight in main building so it's a poor reference to make.

    I don't doubt he's marketable. If we are talking quality then it's early days. John Duddy was popular and marketable let's hope Conlan lives up to the hype.

    The point stands, Bob arum has prospects coming out of his ears. No doubt on cinco de mayo he will have a shiny new Mexican superstar prospect selling out in el paso.

    I hope Conlan is a quality boxer to get behind rather than a marketable paddy who ends up being a gatekeeper fighting on undercards of where the real elite are at.

    Crawford has never fought in the main building. He fought Hank Lundy in the theatre last year and it didn't sell as well as Conlan's fight tonight. It's a fine reference.


  • #119
    StringerBell
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    Morrison J wrote: »
    Why play it down? It's literally unheard of to sell it out and get that kind of hype for a pro debut. Not since De La Hoya.

    There is a danger that people just casually browsing, and unaware may assume you keep referring to the the Arena, and the Garden as if it is not the Theater at MSG.

    Capacity bring hugely different of course.

    What were the numbers actually? Did it sell out? I thought there were still tickets available for it, the capacity is 5500, given the hype around the fighter from the Olympics, Top Rank being involved, and it being Paddys Day it isn't a huge shock to see it do well is it?

    I know Top Rank predicted it would sell out, but did it? From my quick google RTE said it was a sell out at 5000 tickets.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #120
    snowflaker
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    StringerBell wrote: »
    There is a danger that people just casually browsing, and unaware may assume you keep referring to the the Arena, and the Garden as if it is not the Theater at MSG.

    Capacity bring hugely different of course.

    What were the numbers actually? Did it sell out? I thought there were still tickets available for it, the capacity is 5500, given the hype around the fighter from the Olympics, Top Rank being involved, and it being Paddys Day it isn't a huge shock to see it do well is it?

    Tickets were still available afaik. 5,000 quoted that would leave 500 extra
    Call 5,000 capacity and remove 500 seats


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  • #121
    Morrison J
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    snowflaker wrote: »
    Didn't Khan have a huge debut? I'm sure many other boxers did too.

    Pretty big. 6K odd in Bolton, his hometown. I think Conlan doing over 5K in NYC is more impressive though. Realistically he could've sold out the Odyssey in Belfast if he'd fought there tonight. 11K odd.


  • #122
    snowflaker
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    Morrison J wrote: »
    Pretty big. 6K odd in Bolton, his hometown. I think Conlan doing over 5K in NYC is more impressive though. Realistically he could've sold out the Odyssey in Belfast if he'd fought there tonight. 11K odd.

    Maybe not. And to make the money that Arum wants- it will have to in USA


  • #123
    Morrison J
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    snowflaker wrote: »
    Tickets were still available afaik. 5,000 quoted that would leave 500 extra
    Call 5,000 capacity and remove 500 seats

    https://twitter.com/DeclanTaylor87/status/842921022433169409


  • #124
    snowflaker
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    5,102 was the official attendance


  • #125
    snowflaker
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    Morrison J wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/DeclanTaylor87/status/842921022433169409

    Yes. And if you could sell more tickets you could get in another 400 seats.

    No one doesn't want a sell out


  • #126
    NIMAN
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    Blanco100 wrote: »
    Even though a stoppage was inevitable that stoppage was far too early seeing as only 1 or 2 of those shots got through

    I don't watch a lot of boxing, but thats what I thought, of the last 5 or 6 punches thrown, none landed.


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  • #127
    Dick phelan
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    To be fair to sell out a 5k arena out on your debut when it's not even in your own country is very impressive, boxing isn't the big deal it once was in America, plenty of world champions who can't shift that many tickets. Conlan if he has the talent to match has one bright future ahead, very marketable and has the backing of the world's best promotional company.


  • #128
    StringerBell
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    Morrison J wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/DeclanTaylor87/status/842921022433169409

    Doesn't actually negate the other post you know, it is a 5600 capacity venue, there was definitely still tickets available a couple of days ago when I last checked, and it sells better to call it a sell out doesn't it so I'd be somewhat skeptical.

    Anyways, did we learn anything from the fight tonight? Not much I would venture would be fair enough? He can be hit, as evidenced by when he left himself open to the counter right when he was trying to get the highlight KO but he showed some nice flashes in what must have been a nervy fight for him.

    Looking forward to his next outing.

    "People say ‘go with the flow’ but do you know what goes with the flow? Dead fish."



  • #129
    Morrison J
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,915 ✭✭✭Morrison J


    StringerBell wrote: »
    There is a danger that people just casually browsing, and unaware may assume you keep referring to the the Arena, and the Garden as if it is not the Theater at MSG.

    Capacity bring hugely different of course.

    What were the numbers actually? Did it sell out? I thought there were still tickets available for it, the capacity is 5500, given the hype around the fighter from the Olympics, Top Rank being involved, and it being Paddys Day it isn't a huge shock to see it do well is it?

    I know Top Rank predicted it would sell out, but did it? From my quick google RTE said it was a sell out at 5000 tickets.

    Just realised I said Arena one of the times alright. Meant the theatre of course! My mistake.


  • #130
    snowflaker
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    Dick phelan wrote: »
    To be fair to sell out a 5k arena out on your debut when it's not even in your own country is very impressive, boxing isn't the big deal it once was in America, plenty of world champions who can't shift that many tickets. Conlan if he has the talent to match has one bright future ahead, very marketable and has the backing of the world's best promotional company.

    He's a marketeers wet dream. A paddy who let rip across the world at the last Olympics- former amateur WC- Arum knows!

    John Duddy used to do the Paddy's day shows. He was a big crowd pulling paddy


  • #131
    snowflaker
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    Anyone get any good money on a R3 stoppage???


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  • #132
    Morrison J
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    Dick phelan wrote: »
    To be fair to sell out a 5k arena out on your debut when it's not even in your own country is very impressive, boxing isn't the big deal it once was in America, plenty of world champions who can't shift that many tickets. Conlan if he has the talent to match has one bright future ahead, very marketable and has the backing of the world's best promotional company.
    Exactly.

    I'm not sure why people are using a potential extra 3/400 tickets as a stick to beat him with. It's a sell out officially but even if there was spare tickets it's some achievement to sell that much for a pro debut in a foreign country. Literally unheard of in the history of boxing. People skipping over that fact are downplaying it big style. The superstar potential with Conlan is absolutely massive.


  • #133
    snowflaker
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    Morrison J wrote: »
    Exactly.

    I'm not sure why people are using a potential extra 3/400 tickets as a stick to beat him with. It's a sell out officially but even if there was spare tickets it's some achievement to sell that much for a pro debut in a foreign country. Literally unheard of in the history of boxing. People skipping over that fact are downplaying it big style. The superstar potential with Conlan is absolutely massive.

    I think you are going over the top- it's not literally unheard of- I already cited Khan and I'm sure Joshua sold out too- and they are both UK fighters.

    Arum sees a cash cow, he milks it.


  • #134
    Morrison J
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    https://twitter.com/LoveIrishBoxing/status/842931789039652864


  • #135
    snowflaker
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    Morrison J wrote: »
    https://twitter.com/LoveIrishBoxing/status/842931789039652864

    Boston? Colour me shocked!


  • #136
    Morrison J
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    snowflaker wrote: »
    I think you are going over the top- it's not literally unheard of- I already cited Khan and I'm sure Joshua sold out too- and they are both UK fighters.

    Arum sees a cash cow, he milks it.

    In a foreign country though was the caveat. Joshua wouldn't have sold a ticket if his debut was in the states.


  • #137
    snowflaker
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    Morrison J wrote: »
    In a foreign country though was the caveat. Joshua wouldn't have sold a ticket if his debut was in the states.

    Depends how it was marketed.

    But a paddy on Paddy's day will always sell tickets- throw his Olympic Odessy and his amereur pedigree into the mix- it's a banker


  • #138
    snowflaker
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    Morrison J wrote: »
    In a foreign country though was the caveat. Joshua wouldn't have sold a ticket if his debut was in the states.

    Didn't see many non "Irish" at it tbf


  • #139
    Morrison J
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    snowflaker wrote: »
    Depends how it was marketed.

    But a paddy on Paddy's day will always sell tickets- throw his Olympic Odessy and his amereur pedigree into the mix- it's a banker

    I'm not doubting any of that, never have. I'm just stating his superstar potential which is outrageously high really. He's as close to a banker as it gets to being one of the next big stars in the sport.


  • #140
    snowflaker
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    Shakur Stevenson debuting in StubHub centre Cali, capacity 30,000


  • #141
    Morrison J
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    A nation of bregrudgers aren't we? Just enjoy it.


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  • #142
    Morrison J
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    snowflaker wrote: »
    Shakur Stevenson debuting in StubHub centre Cali, capacity 30,000

    He's like the 4th fight down the undercard ffs and that card isn't selling anywhere near 30K.


  • #143
    snowflaker
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    Morrison J wrote: »
    I'm not doubting any of that, never have. I'm just stating his superstar potential which is outrageously high really. He's as close to a banker as it gets to being one of the next big stars in the sport.

    He will win a world title. If he does it in the MGM he will be a superstar- if he wins it in the U.K. He will not have succeeded in USA


  • #144
    snowflaker
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    Morrison J wrote: »
    He's like the 4th fight down the undercard ffs and that card isn't selling anywhere near 30K.

    He's starting in a bigger venue. He will be more successful in the us than Conlan, if they both keep winning


  • #145
    snowflaker
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    Morrison J wrote: »
    A nation of bregrudgers aren't we? Just enjoy it.

    It's not begrudgary- it's called not swallowing the hype


  • #146
    Morrison J
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    snowflaker wrote: »
    He will win a world title. If he does it in the MGM he will be a superstar- if he wins it in the U.K. He will not have succeeded in USA

    Why on earth would you come away after watching his debut thinking that he won't make it in the States? If he wins a world title, Top Rank will ensure he's a global superstar. That's as good as fact.


  • #147
    Morrison J
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    snowflaker wrote: »
    He's starting in a bigger venue. He will be more successful in the us than Conlan, if they both keep winning

    So you'd rather start hidden under an undercard, fighting in front of less than 5K in all likelihood, than headline the MSG theatre? You must be trolling.

    Why is that? Name me some current US fighters who are superstars?


  • #148
    Morrison J
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    snowflaker wrote: »
    It's not begrudgary- it's called not swallowing the hype

    You do realise you need a level of hype to become a superstar? It all goes hand in hand.

    You can ignore the hype and pretend fighting on an Oscar Valdez undercard is better if you like I suppose..


  • #149
    snowflaker
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    The hype now means exploiting the cash cow for all the money you can get.

    Stevenson is being treated differently as US Olympic bronze medalists don't hold the same immediate cache as Irish ones.


  • #150
    snowflaker
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    Morrison J wrote: »
    So you'd rather start hidden under an undercard, fighting in front of less than 5K in all likelihood, than headline the MSG theatre? You must be trolling.

    Why is that? Name me some current US fighters who are superstars?

    Andre Ward


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  • #151
    snowflaker
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    Morrison J wrote: »
    Why on earth would you come away after watching his debut thinking that he won't make it in the States? If he wins a world title, Top Rank will ensure he's a global superstar. That's as good as fact.

    Top Rank have many potential superstars on their books. They don't all make it.

    I hope he does, but it's far from certain.


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