AMD Zen Discussion Thread

Redfox25 · 22-02-2017 5:14pm

cherryghost wrote: »

If your aim is 60fps gaming with a high-end graphics card, then no. The 4690k is more than capable of that in modern and upcoming games.

Cheers
Its paired with a AMD Fury and I am playing 120 fps in 1440p Freesync monitor, in games like WoW, which is CPU intensive. It does see dips in places but that might be the engine rather than my system. Rarely seen below 60 fps.

Other games the combo seems to work really well.

Fury might not be considered true high end card ofc but it was cheap at the time and seems to run better than my 390x which had coil whine.

Xenoronin · 22-02-2017 5:15pm

Gotta say. I'm pretty hype

Serephucus · 22-02-2017 5:15pm

That's something I'm very interested to see with Ryzen: Minimum framerates. It'll be interesting to see if/how much minimums are affected by the new CPU architecture, as well as just having more cores in general.

K.O.Kiki · 22-02-2017 5:27pm

Wraith Spire
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Wraith Stealth
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Wraith Max
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cherryghost · 22-02-2017 5:30pm

Redfox25 wrote: »

Cheers
Its paired with a AMD Fury and I am playing 120 fps in 1440p Freesync monitor, in games like WoW, which is CPU intensive. It does see dips in places but that might be the engine rather than my system. Rarely seen below 60 fps.

Other games the combo seems to work really well.

Fury might not be considered true high end card ofc but it was cheap at the time and seems to run better than my 390x which had coil whine.

I have a 4690k paired with a 1070. In Witcher 3 maxed out at stock clocks I get about 80FPS, going upwards on CPU clock to 4.4ghz I get over 100fps average, so I can see the CPU bottlenecking the GPU in this case. However I've never experienced the processor to give such a performance that would give me undesireable results (I have a 144hz monitor myself).

WoW utilizes single thread performance over multicore, Ryzen single core performance is debatable still so if you're willing to muddle with your clocks on the 4690k to get higher FPS, thats probably the best way to go imo. Don't think the Fury would bottleneck here at all given the game at hand.

Icyseanfitz · 22-02-2017 5:30pm

some impressive stuff, now just waiting to see how they overclock, 1800x @ 4.3-4.5 and i think i might have to buy one.....unless we get the typical irish tax and end up paying 700euro as opposed to $499

edit: who am i kidding thats the most likely scenario

BloodBath · 22-02-2017 5:30pm

Serephucus wrote: »

That's something I'm very interested to see with Ryzen: Minimum framerates. It'll be interesting to see if/how much minimums are affected by the new CPU architecture, as well as just having more cores in general.

If you are on a quad core with a 100hz+ monitor and a high end graphics card an 8 core/thread processor is going to have much higher minimum frame rates in a lot of games.

I've seen several benchmarks showing mins of around 60 on a quad core compared to mins of around 90 on a quad with HT.

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

some impressive stuff, now just waiting to see how they overclock, 1800x @ 4.3-4.5 and i think i might have to buy one.....unless we get the typical irish tax and end up paying 700euro as opposed to $499

Add roughly 20% on top of any of the US prices to get the EU prices. It will be €600 here.

Tony · 22-02-2017 5:55pm

What good quality motherboard would guys recommend for a Ryzen 1600 ?

TerrorFirmer · 22-02-2017 5:56pm

Serephucus wrote: »

That's something I'm very interested to see with Ryzen: Minimum framerates. It'll be interesting to see if/how much minimums are affected by the new CPU architecture, as well as just having more cores in general.

I'm dying to see the minimum framerates and general IPC performance. I haven't been this excited about a CPU in a really long time.

Also, the stock coolers are great, would go fantastically with a red/black case like the H440.

Small detail as it is, the stock cooler being...well, cool (ignore the pun) is a major plus over the Intel model.

Serephucus · 22-02-2017 5:59pm

Tony wrote: »

What good quality motherboard would guys recommend for a Ryzen 1600 ?

We don't know a huge amount about the motherboards that are going to show up, or what affect different ones will have on the (as yet unknown as well) overclockability of Ryzen, so difficult to say. I do however like ASUS's Hero board, simply because it has so many USB ports on the back.

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

I'm dying to see the minimum framerates and general IPC performance. I haven't been this excited about a CPU in a really long time.

Also, the stock coolers are great, would go fantastically with a red/black case like the H440.

Small detail as it is, the stock cooler being...well, cool (ignore the pun) is a major plus over the Intel model.

Ditto. I mean I don't need eight cores, but I'm thinking I might do a Ryzen upgrade any just because everything Intel has become so damn boring.

Venom · 22-02-2017 6:06pm

Tony wrote: »

What good quality motherboard would guys recommend for a Ryzen 1600 ?

Pick one you like the look of

http://wccftech.com/amd-ryzen-am4-motherboard-round-up-msi-gigabyte-asrock-asus-x370/

BloodBath · 22-02-2017 6:22pm

Was just about to link that.

Looks like Asrock are offering better features at lower prices as usual. Think I'll be sticking with them but I'm not liking the look of some of the boards.

The Asus crosshair hero looks great but it's probably gonna be around €300 and the specs aren't even that great on it.

Serephucus · 22-02-2017 6:41pm

Yeah, think I saw $249 being thrown about for the Hero. It's a pity more companies aren't going for a plain aesthetic. They seem to all have figured out around the same time "Hey, we cant paint our PCBs different colours!", but I was always a fan of plain, matte black.

I'd also like to know how much those RGB heatsinks affect the BOM. Gimme plain old server heatsinks any day. Maybe spray them black if you really want.

game4it70 · 22-02-2017 7:10pm

The pre-order has gone live on ocuk.
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/this-week-only/pc-components/processors

And mobos
https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-components/motherboards/amd/am4-x370-b350

BloodBath · 22-02-2017 7:33pm

Prices are a little lower than I expected.

€380 for the 1700 is pretty damn good. If these things overclock anywhere near as high as the 1800x does then it could be the go to 8/16.

cherryghost · 22-02-2017 8:43pm

Amazon are matching OCUK with a price guarantee also.

Mindfactory.de and caseking.de are listing preorders about 20-40 euro cheaper than the UK counterparts.

BloodBath · 22-02-2017 8:57pm

The 1800x is €559 throught geizhals.de on mindfactory.

https://geizhals.de/?fs=Ryzen+cpu&in=

The 1700 with the wraith max cooler for only €359.

Slutmonkey57b · 22-02-2017 9:20pm

Looks like a good tableau muncher.

Lukker- · 22-02-2017 9:38pm

The R5 series absolutely slaughters the i5's on paper. 4c/8t vs 4c/4t.

I have a 4670k OC'd to 4.6 Ghz and it's bottlenecking me loads in modern titles like BF1, Forza, The Witcher 3. Lots of those games are 100% across all 4 cores. Games are much multi-threaded these days so I think if you are still on an i5, it's a worthy upgrade, especially considering you can still make decent money selling your mobo, cpu and ram.

The R5 1700x 6C/12t looks like a beast for the price and is what I have my eye on. Not really feeling the motherboards so far, I'm hoping we see some x370 boards for about £120 SOON.

wotzgoingon · 22-02-2017 9:46pm

Lukker- wrote: »

The R5 series absolutely slaughters the i5's on paper. 4c/8t vs 4c/4t.

I have a 4670k OC'd to 4.6 Ghz and it's bottlenecking me loads in modern titles like BF1, Forza, The Witcher 3. Lots of those games are 100% across all 4 cores. Games are much multi-threaded these days so I think if you are still on an i5, it's a worthy upgrade, especially considering you can still make decent money selling your mobo, cpu and ram.

The R5 1700x 6C/12t looks like a beast for the price and is what I have my eye on. Not really feeling the motherboards so far, I'm hoping we see some x370 boards for about £120 SOON.

Shouldn't that be Ryzen 5 1600X.

Serephucus · 22-02-2017 9:48pm

Lukker- wrote: »

I'm hoping we see some x370 boards for about £120 SOON.

Doubt it. It was on a slide somewhere that X370 boards would be selling for around $149+. B350 was for $79+, I think.

Lukker- · 22-02-2017 9:56pm

Serephucus wrote: »

Doubt it. It was on a slide somewhere that X370 boards would be selling for around $149+. B350 was for $79+, I think.

£120 is $149

But the conversion rate for PC parts tends to be £1=$1 so ya...

Is overclocking only possible on x370 boards?

Serephucus · 22-02-2017 9:58pm

All except The low-end one... A320?

wotzgoingon · 22-02-2017 9:58pm

Lukker- wrote: »

£120 is $149

But the conversion rate for PC parts tends to be £1=$1 so ya...

Is overclocking only possible on x370 boards?

No, the next board revision down can be overclocked. I think it is B350.

Serephucus · 22-02-2017 10:08pm

Here ya go:

wotzgoingon · 22-02-2017 10:20pm

I'm still on the fence atm. I am still pleased with my current setup but if I am upgrading I was set to get a X370 but tbh the B350 looks to be just as good.

Lukker- · 22-02-2017 11:21pm

Any reason to get the x370 over the b350 if you don't plan on SLI/Crossfire?

Other than tacked features like "gaming" lan ports etc

K.O.Kiki · 22-02-2017 11:43pm

Lukker- wrote: »

Any reason to get the x370 over the b350 if you don't plan on SLI/Crossfire?

Other than tacked features like "gaming" lan ports etc

No reason unless the B350 board is gimped by mobo manufacturer.

K.O.Kiki · 22-02-2017 11:49pm

BloodBath wrote: »

Prices are a little lower than I expected.

€380 for the 1700 is pretty damn good. If these things overclock anywhere near as high as the 1800x does then it could be the go to 8/16.

I'm going to guess they won't clock as high by running into a thermal limit, simply because they're sold as 65W TDP instead of the 1700x/1800x @ 95W TDP

Just a guess though!

Digital Solitude · 22-02-2017 11:58pm

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

No reason unless the B350 board is gimped by mobo manufacturer.

Gimped as in limiting features? Given that's what seperates the chipsets, I don't understand what you mean.

Lukker- · 23-02-2017 12:10am

Ryzen Master, appears to be a Wattman for your CPU.

Seems to offer per core overclocking, and you can disable cores too so you could potentially disable 4 cores on an R7 for games that aren't multithreaded well and it should give you a higher ceiling to overclock the active cores.

Can't tell if it offers per core voltage modifiers.

Anyways it's a nice touch.

K.O.Kiki · 23-02-2017 12:19am

Digital Solitude wrote: »

Gimped as in limiting features? Given that's what seperates the chipsets, I don't understand what you mean.

Features, worse capacitors/MOSFETs, layout.
TBH I doubt it'll happen.

Will keep an eye out for best B350 motherboards for future build recommendations.

Digital Solitude · 23-02-2017 12:23am

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

Features, worse capacitors/MOSFETs, layout.
TBH I doubt it'll happen.

Will keep an eye out for best B350 motherboards for future build recommendations.

Ah yeah, never thought of the physical aspects.

You're probably the only one who will tbf, fair play to you.

Serephucus · 23-02-2017 12:26am

Can't remember what it's called, but there's a feature buried in Windows somewhere that lets you assign the default physical core on a CPU that Windows will use for single-core operations. The idea being that you can assign it to the core that will achieve the highest overclock. I wonder if MS will add support to allow Ryzen to use this as well.

Lukker- · 23-02-2017 12:33am

Serephucus wrote: »

Can't remember what it's called, but there's a feature buried in Windows somewhere that lets you assign the default physical core on a CPU that Windows will use for single-core operations. The idea being that you can assign it to the core that will achieve the highest overclock. I wonder if MS will add support to allow Ryzen to use this as well.

CPU affinity in task manager?

BloodBath · 23-02-2017 12:53am

K.O.Kiki wrote: »

I'm going to guess they won't clock as high by running into a thermal limit, simply because they're sold as 65W TDP instead of the 1700x/1800x @ 95W TDP

Just a guess though!

Even if they can only reach stock 1800x levels it's still a bargain that comes with a decent cooler out of the box. €360 for something that matches a stock 6900k with cheaper motherboards is crazy good for workstation users.

moeblogs · 23-02-2017 1:03am

Nor sure if this is related to the Ryzen release, Amazon seem to have reduced pricing on most motherboards.. These prices could have been sale items (pre Ryzen), but to see so many motherboards reduced in price is interesting?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=sr_nr_p_72_0?fst=as%3Aoff&rh=n%3A340831031%2Cn%3A428655031%2Cn%3A430512031%2Ck%3Amotherboard%2Cp_72%3A419153031&keywords=motherboard&ie=UTF8&qid=1487805957&rnid=419152031

Lukker- · 23-02-2017 1:12am

moeblogs wrote: »

Nor sure if this is related to the Ryzen release, Amazon seem to have reduced pricing on most motherboards.. These prices could have been sale items (pre Ryzen), but to see so many motherboards reduced in price is interesting?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/s/ref=sr_nr_p_72_0?fst=as%3Aoff&rh=n%3A340831031%2Cn%3A428655031%2Cn%3A430512031%2Ck%3Amotherboard%2Cp_72%3A419153031&keywords=motherboard&ie=UTF8&qid=1487805957&rnid=419152031

I'd say it's definitely related to the release. AMD will be lowering their prices to try and clear old stock and make way for Ryzen.

Intel have probably instructed chipset makers to lower their prices to counter Ryzen launching. I'm sure they will be paid for their trouble.

Keep an eye on i7 prices in the next few days, I'm sure we'll see a significant drop in them too.

....Finally, competition..

K.O.Kiki · 23-02-2017 2:45am

http://cpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-Ryzen-7-1700X-Turbo-Disabled-vs-Intel-Core-i7-7700K/m243187vs3647

Skerries · 23-02-2017 8:50am

Dcully · 23-02-2017 10:09am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3rUndzpdo1I

smacl · 23-02-2017 12:05pm

BloodBath wrote: »

Even if they can only reach stock 1800x levels it's still a bargain that comes with a decent cooler out of the box. €360 for something that matches a stock 6900k with cheaper motherboards is crazy good for workstation users.

Even the lower end 1700 CPUs with 8 cores and 16 threads will provide incredible bang for your buck for mid range workstations for heavily multi-threaded tasks. I reckon I'll do an upgrade myself sometime over the summer and pick a configuration based on funds and performance. Probably move up from 32gb of RAM to 64gb at the same time as I could see many of those extra cores running extra processes and VMs rather than just extra threads on the same process.

Digital Solitude · 23-02-2017 1:22pm

They're making Ryzen so sexy with the sleek black coolers, boxes are tidy and fairly minimal too.

Appealing to the sleek minimal and the black and xyz colour scheme crews

Venom · 23-02-2017 1:43pm

Digital Solitude wrote: »

They're making Ryzen so sexy with the sleek black coolers, boxes are tidy and fairly minimal too.

Appealing to the sleek minimal and the black and xyz colour scheme crews

Those AMD coolers look awesome but unless they can compete against the usual tower coolers for overclocking I just don't see them making that big a splash.

K.O.Kiki · 23-02-2017 1:51pm

Venom wrote: »

Those AMD coolers look awesome but unless they can compete against the usual tower coolers for overclocking I just don't see them making that big a splash.

The previous-gen Wraith cooler was already performing around the same level as CoolerMaster Hyper 212 / D92, and that was with 125W TDP chips.

K.O.Kiki · 23-02-2017 1:55pm

These seem to have been at a press conference too:

23-02-2017 3:37pm

So it looks like they definitely overclock well. Mental setup but snagging a world record is encouraging that Ryzen is making AMD a serious contender again.

lmimmfn · 23-02-2017 3:50pm

L wrote: »

So it looks like they definitely overclock well. Mental setup but snagging a world record is encouraging that Ryzen is making AMD a serious contender again.

On LN though, not really comparable to air/water as they used vcore of 1.8+. I don't think these will go much beyond 4.2 with an AIO, would love to be wrong though.

Lukker- · 23-02-2017 3:52pm

L wrote: »

So it looks like they definitely overclock well. Mental setup but snagging a world record is encouraging that Ryzen is making AMD a serious contender again.

It's hard to say really considering that is a Liquid Nitrogen setup. 5.1 Ghz, you could maybe say 4.5 Ghz on a good air/liquid setup, which isn't bad at all.

23-02-2017 4:18pm

Lukker- wrote: »

It's hard to say really considering that is a Liquid Nitrogen setup. 5.1 Ghz, you could maybe say 4.5 Ghz on a good air/liquid setup, which isn't bad at all.

That's my thought as well. Extreme overclocking is more of a destructive test of the hardware than representative of day to day use. Still, impressive & cause to be optimistic.

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