The wondrous adventures of Sinn Fein (part 3) Mod Notes and Threadbanned List in OP

Bubbaclaus · 18-04-2021 8:28pm

wicklowstevo wrote: »

what is this thread about francie ?

The wondrous adventures of anyone but Sinn Fein

FrancieBrady · 18-04-2021 9:34pm

wicklowstevo wrote: »

what is this thread about francie ?

Sinn Fein Stevo. Who didn't kill any children that I can see.

Hamsterchops · 18-04-2021 9:51pm

Sinn Fein, the 'Euro Giant' of the political world.

Cheap & very popular in certain circles, everything's nearly free but plastic & hollow. You get what you asked for even if it's crap. SF are all bark and no bite, (not allowed to bite anymore), all noise & soundbites "Up the Ra", brazen and shiny and in your face, thank you Mary Lou ... not.

NovemberWren · 18-04-2021 10:28pm

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

But this SF database is a Cambridge Analytica style operation where they are sneakily garnering private information through social media and holding it without peoples consent.

It's downright sinister. They access all social media that someone accesses.

SF accessed my place at one time and the books I had suddenly were being quoted to me.

SF - the 'Lookey-Likey' party. They are seriously psychologically damaged, always aping someone else's trope.

piplip87 · 18-04-2021 10:48pm

I'd say Republician Sinn Fein has gained quite a few members this week. Condolences expressed to the Royal Family and now an apology of sorts for the death of Mountbatten.

Fair play to Marylou she really does seem to what to heal the divide. Still the economic policy, the countless objections to social housing and the policy differences between SF ROI branch and SF UK branch means I could never vote for them.

RandomName2 · 18-04-2021 11:05pm

piplip87 wrote: »

I'd say Republician Sinn Fein has gained quite a few members this week. Condolences expressed to the Royal Family and now an apology of sorts for the death of Mountbatten.

But with only a single councilor to their name I doubt they're going to make much of an impact.

markodaly · 19-04-2021 12:06am

jmcc wrote: »

You don't seem to have a clue about what Cambridge Analytica did.

What SF did is quite different and the electoral register is available to all political parties. FF even bought a copy of the register indicating who voted.

Regards...jmcc

You are right, it's worse and blatant breach of GDPR.

StupidLikeAFox · 19-04-2021 12:09am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Had to giggle at how spot on this one was:

Fine Gael founded by a Facisist and spun out of fascist militants were founded 12 years after Collins death. They have about as much of a claim him as the Royal Mail.

Eoin ODuffy and the fascist element were ****ed out a year after fine gael were formed, when the extent of his fascist connections were discovered. Has no bearing on the current party

Michael Collins shouldn't be associated with FG but at least he came from the same political gene pool as the parties main founding parties. Its bizarre for modern day SF to be claiming him

batman75 · 19-04-2021 12:15am

Blowing up Mountbatten and the others on board was a shocking act one of many perpetrated by the IRA. This, Warrington and Jean McConville to my mind were counter productive acts by a cowardly guerilla army. It was a campaign of terror which failed in its ultimate goal of removing British governance from the island.
I would take anything SF says with a pinch of salt. McGuinness told Denis Donaldson his life was not in danger. He was subsequently assassinated.

StupidLikeAFox · 19-04-2021 12:22am

jmcc wrote: »

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Now we see A. Phibes above pretending to know about the hosting business and the market shares of its main players while he/she clearly does not. Then we see ridiculous attempts to claim that what SF did was on the same level as Cambridge Analytica.

We don't know what extent SFs database is being used. So far we know that they compiled data from the electoral register, information from party activists on the ground and peoples social media activity into a central database, unclear how exactly this info is used and who has access

Happy to wait for the DPC to investigate but in principle im not really comfortable any political party building up this kind of profile of me or the population in general.

jm08 · 19-04-2021 12:37am

batman75 wrote: »

Blowing up Mountbatten and the others on board was a shocking act one of many perpetrated by the IRA. This, Warrington and Jean McConville to my mind were counter productive acts by a cowardly guerilla army. It was a campaign of terror which failed in its ultimate goal of removing British governance from the island.
I would take anything SF says with a pinch of salt. McGuinness told Denis Donaldson his life was not in danger. He was subsequently assassinated.

The Real IRA claimed to have killed Donaldson, not the PIRA.

jmcc · 19-04-2021 12:42am

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

We don't know what extent SFs database is being used. So far we know that they compiled data from the electoral register, information from party activists on the ground and peoples social media activity into a central database, unclear how exactly this info is used and who has access

I'd like to see how it was done and whether it was just a voting intentions database that politicians generally use. Politicians, at least the smart ones, have been doing this kind of voter intention profiling for decades and know which house is an FF house and which is an FG house etc. It is how they make best use of their canvassing time.

With Covid, the usual options for canvassing have been reduced and Facebook and Social Media have become more important.

Happy to wait for the DPC to investigate but in principle im not really comfortable any political party building up this kind of profile of me or the population in general.

From the description, it is very different to what Cambridge Analytica did. I'm not sure that the DPC will investigate this if SF answers the questions and shows that there was no breach of GDPR. The Facebook investigation is going to take priority for the moment.

Regards...jmcc

jmcc · 19-04-2021 1:02am

markodaly wrote: »

You are right, it's worse and blatant breach of GDPR.

How and what part of the GDPR has been breached?

Have you had access to the SF Abu sysem or are you just relying on the stuff from Varadkar's biographer?

Regards...jmcc

maccored · 19-04-2021 9:07am

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

We don't know what extent SFs database is being used. So far we know that they compiled data from the electoral register, information from party activists on the ground and peoples social media activity into a central database, unclear how exactly this info is used and who has access

Happy to wait for the DPC to investigate but in principle im not really comfortable any political party building up this kind of profile of me or the population in general.

we know nothing but gossip from the biographer of a man - said man being the leader of a party in opposition to SF - who's currently under investigation.

I cant believe people cant see whats going on there. I can bet SF have no profile on you but they probably have an outline of who gives them support at local levels. Im pretty sure ALL parties have that kind of info.

Non story and a bad attempt at deflection from the real problems the government faces (like Leo being under investigation and interrogated for 8 or 9 hours or whatever it was).

Interesting that you are more worried about something you have no evidence for than something that there is evidence for. Head in the sand stuff.

StupidLikeAFox · 19-04-2021 10:01am

maccored wrote: »

we know nothing but gossip from the biographer of a man - said man being the leader of a party in opposition to SF - who's currently under investigation.

I cant believe people cant see whats going on there. I can bet SF have no profile on you but they probably have an outline of who gives them support at local levels. Im pretty sure ALL parties have that kind of info.

Non story and a bad attempt at deflection from the real problems the government faces (like Leo being under investigation and interrogated for 8 or 9 hours or whatever it was).

Interesting that you are more worried about something you have no evidence for than something that there is evidence for. Head in the sand stuff.

Its been reported in several publications that this database is combining data from the electoral register and party activists info with unspecified data from Facebook. I've asked a few reasonable questions there, and your first response is that "they are all at it" (citation needed) and "what about leo" - yet I'm somehow the one sticking my head in the sand?

Its a bit ****ing tiring that every minor story about sinn fein is painted as some deflection planted by FG. Its a sinn fein thread about sinn fein. Head in the sand stuff indeed

blanch152 · 19-04-2021 10:04am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

It's time the Head of the British Armed Forces addressed that alright. Anywhere in the world they did it for that matter.

Disingenuous disrespectful nauseating whataboutery.

You wouldn't dare say that to the face of the family of Paul Maxwell, so you look a really brave man to state that on an anonymous internet board.

FrancieBrady · 19-04-2021 10:13am

blanch152 wrote: »

Disingenuous disrespectful nauseating whataboutery.

You wouldn't dare say that to the face of the family of Paul Maxwell, so you look a really brave man to state that on an anonymous internet board.

Having to remind high moral grounders that children got killed by all sides is what is nauseating actually.

Why would I not dare say it to the family of Paul Maxwell? The victims of the tragedy that was the conflict/war here are painfully aware of the fact that many children died.

maccored · 19-04-2021 10:38am

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

Its been reported in several publications that this database is combining data from the electoral register and party activists info with unspecified data from Facebook. I've asked a few reasonable questions there, and your first response is that "they are all at it" (citation needed) and "what about leo" - yet I'm somehow the one sticking my head in the sand?

Its a bit ****ing tiring that every minor story about sinn fein is painted as some deflection planted by FG. Its a sinn fein thread about sinn fein. Head in the sand stuff indeed

you said yourself we dont actually know whats in the database .....

blanch152 · 19-04-2021 11:39am

jmcc wrote: »

I'd like to see how it was done and whether it was just a voting intentions database that politicians generally use. Politicians, at least the smart ones, have been doing this kind of voter intention profiling for decades and know which house is an FF house and which is an FG house etc. It is how they make best use of their canvassing time.

With Covid, the usual options for canvassing have been reduced and Facebook and Social Media have become more important.

From the description, it is very different to what Cambridge Analytica did. I'm not sure that the DPC will investigate this if SF answers the questions and shows that there was no breach of GDPR. The Facebook investigation is going to take priority for the moment.

Regards...jmcc

A voting intentions database?

The principle of consent applies to that and there is a clear breach of GDPR.

We don't know whether it is different to what Cambridge Analytica did, it could be much less, it could be much more. However, for example, if Sinn Fein use a central database to target where resources such as cars for election day should be put in place, or what type of election literature to circulate, the principle is pretty similar to Cambridge Analytica.

However, does anyone really think that Sinn Fein will honestly answer the questions?

FrancieBrady · 19-04-2021 11:44am

blanch152 wrote: »

A voting intentions database?

The principle of consent applies to that and there is a clear breach of GDPR.

We don't know whether it is different to what Cambridge Analytica did, it could be much less, it could be much more. However, for example, if Sinn Fein use a central database to target where resources such as cars for election day should be put in place, or what type of election literature to circulate, the principle is pretty similar to Cambridge Analytica.

However, does anyone really think that Sinn Fein will honestly answer the questions?

That, is for the DPC to answer, not you or I. Will you accept what the DPC has to say.

jmcc · 19-04-2021 12:10pm

blanch152 wrote: »

A voting intentions database?

Yes. A simple enough concept.

The principle of consent applies to that and there is a clear breach of GDPR.

This isn't the Border Poll. In simple words, other than those of the wibbling hagiographer of Varadkar, explain the breaches of GDPR.

We don't know whether it is different to what Cambridge Analytica did,

You and some of the other FG supporters here haven't a clue about what CA did. The room temperature IQed logic runs like this: CA did something bad with Facebook. SF is canvassing on Facebook. Therefore SF is as bad as CA.

it could be much less, it could be much more.

In simple terms, you don't know and are just repeating the stuff from Varadkar's hagiographer.

However, for example, if Sinn Fein use a central database to target where resources such as cars for election day should be put in place, or what type of election literature to circulate, the principle is pretty similar to Cambridge Analytica.

Proving again that you haven't a clue about what CA did.

However, does anyone really think that Sinn Fein will honestly answer the questions?

Answer what questions? The wibbling of Varadkar's hagiographer and a bunch of FGers desperate to distract from Varadkar being interviewed under caution as the subject of a criminal investigation or the questions from the DPC? I think that SF will answer the DPC questions because it has to answer them.

Regards...jmcc

19-04-2021 12:19pm

jmcc wrote: »

Answer what questions? The wibbling of Varadkar's hagiographer and a bunch of FGers desperate to distract from Varadkar being interviewed under caution as the subject of a criminal investigation

Here we go again
Attack the journalists
They jail them in hong kong when not toeing the chinese communist party line,is that what you'd like with a sinn Féin government?

FrancieBrady · 19-04-2021 12:19pm

jmcc wrote: »

Yes. A simple enough concept.

This isn't the Border Poll. In simple words, other than those of the wibbling hagiographer of Varadkar, explain the breaches of GDPR.

You and some of the other FG supporters here haven't a clue about what CA did. The room temperature IQed logic runs like this: CA did something bad with Facebook. SF is canvassing on Facebook. Therefore SF is as bad as CA.

In simple terms, you don't know and are just repeating the stuff from Varadkar's hagiographer.

Proving again that you haven't a clue about what CA did.

Answer what questions? The wibbling of Varadkar's hagiographer and a bunch of FGers desperate to distract from Varadkar being interviewed under caution as the subject of a criminal investigation or the questions from the DPC? I think that SF will answer the DPC questions because it has to answer them.

Regards...jmcc

There's an a la carte attitude to investigations into SF, didn't you know? Any answers/findings can be discounted because.... SF.

jmcc · 19-04-2021 12:22pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

Here we go again
Attack the journalists
They jail them in hong kong when not toeing the chinese communist party line,is that what you'd like with a sinn Féin government?

I'd prefer real journalists reporting the news and real Journalism rather than comics pushing party propaganda and press releases.

Regards...jmcc

Brendan Bendar · 19-04-2021 12:25pm

jmcc wrote: »

I'd prefer real journalists reporting the news and real Journalism rather than comics pushing party propaganda and press releases.

Regards...jmcc

Are you talking about Oliver Callan?

jmcc · 19-04-2021 12:27pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

There's an a la carte attitude to investigations into SF, didn't you know? Any answers/findings can be discounted because.... SF.

Always going to be the way. The sales of newspapers are continuing to fall. Most people do not buy a daily newspaper. The ironic thing about the Sindo/Indo is that Michael Collins had to send a few men to visit them over their pro-British propaganda during the WOI. Now FG lies about Collins being FG.

Regards...jmcc

19-04-2021 12:29pm

jmcc wrote: »

I'd prefer real journalists reporting the news and real Journalism rather than comics pushing party propaganda and press releases.

Regards...jmcc

I'm afraid in a free and open press,you don't get to choose what stories you lke or dislike
You just ignore them like everyone else like minded if you want

FrancieBrady · 19-04-2021 12:34pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

I'm afraid in a free and open press,you don't get to choose what stories you lke or dislike
You just ignore them like everyone else like minded if you want

And you don't get to decide whether somebody can express a critical opinion of a journalist either.

'Attacking' is exaggerating and an attempt at censorship in itself.

jmcc · 19-04-2021 12:39pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

I'm afraid in a free and open press

This is Ireland. There is no such thing as a "free and open press". All newspapers have an agenda. Until the recent firesale, IN&M's largest shareholder was the lucky recipient of the second mobile licence courtesy of FG. The same IN&M shareholder also owned some of the main radio stations such as Newstalk and Today FM. Cross-media ownership legislation was ignored for years.

Regards...jmcc

19-04-2021 12:48pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And you don't get to decide whether somebody can express a critical opinion of a journalist either.

'Attacking' is exaggerating and an attempt at censorship in itself.

No,I don't and I wasn't
However name calling and abuse is not discussion,whether here or on twitter
Its a bereft of thought display

FrancieBrady · 19-04-2021 1:01pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

No,I don't and I wasn't
However name calling and abuse is not discussion,whether here or on twitter
Its a bereft of thought display

Which isn't what you said. You said the poster 'doesn't get to decide to choose what stories you like or dislike'?

Why are you pivoting to something else?

19-04-2021 1:08pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Which isn't what you said. You said the poster 'doesn't get to decide to choose what stories you like or dislike'?

Well if you want to be all philosophical,no one gets to choose what they like
If you don't like curry,theres no way out I'm afraid,you're not going to like it
Same for news stories

FrancieBrady · 19-04-2021 1:10pm

Marine Layer wrote: »

Well if you want to be all philosophical,no one gets to choose what they like
If you don't like curry,theres no way out I'm afraid,you're not going to like it
Same for news stories

He didn't say 'he didn't like it', he was critical of the author and his links to the Tanaiste.
You are barrel rolling all over the place.

19-04-2021 1:11pm

Jesus, a lot of SF supporters hate journalists. Attacking people for doing their job is really depressing to see. Straight from the Trump playbook as well. The fake news media not telling the truth and representing the elite. Personalising attacks. Engaging in conspiracy theories.

Democracy is a fragile thing.

blanch152 · 19-04-2021 1:11pm

jmcc wrote: »

I'd prefer real journalists reporting the news and real Journalism rather than comics pushing party propaganda and press releases.

Regards...jmcc

Can I recommend An Phravda to you, it is a regular monthly publication full of real top quality news, with articles about the brave men and women of Sinn Fein working arduously to bring peace in our times. Your eyes will well up with stories of their bravery, dedication and fearlessness. Truly no other publication reports the news in as accurate and comprehensive way, why anyone would read any other publication is beyond me.

FrancieBrady · 19-04-2021 1:17pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Can I recommend An Phravda to you, it is a regular monthly publication full of real top quality news, with articles about the brave men and women of Sinn Fein working arduously to bring peace in our times. Your eyes will well up with stories of their bravery, dedication and fearlessness. Truly no other publication reports the news in as accurate and comprehensive way, why anyone would read any other publication is beyond me.

You are talking about a publication owned by Sinn Fein and comparing it to the Indo that is not supposed to be owned by any political party.

The irony of that.

19-04-2021 1:18pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Can I recommend An Phravda to you, it is a regular monthly publication full of real top quality news, with articles about the brave men and women of Sinn Fein working arduously to bring peace in our times. Your eyes will well up with stories of their bravery, dedication and fearlessness. Truly no other publication reports the news in as accurate and comprehensive way, why anyone would read any other publication is beyond me.

StupidLikeAFox · 19-04-2021 1:19pm

jmcc wrote: »

Answer what questions? The wibbling of Varadkar's hagiographer and a bunch of FGers desperate to distract from Varadkar being interviewed under caution as the subject of a criminal investigation or the questions from the DPC? I think that SF will answer the DPC questions because it has to answer them.

So basically its the journalists fault and something to do with leos legal issues.

If any political party was gleaning information from social media to build a database of voters, without their consent, id want to know what was going on. I don't know why you want SF to get a free pass on this

FrancieBrady · 19-04-2021 1:24pm

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

So basically its the journalists fault and something to do with leos legal issues.

If any political party was gleaning information from social media to build a database of voters, without their consent, id want to know what was going on. I don't know why you want SF to get a free pass on this

The reaction is to the usual's finding the Shinners guilty without any evidence of what is going on.
The reaction is also to the accusation that they are not answering questions. They are...to the relevant person, the DPC.
No more than any other party, SF are not answerable to the Indo and it's staff.

blanch152 · 19-04-2021 1:29pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You are talking about a publication owned by Sinn Fein and comparing it to the Indo that is not supposed to be owned by any political party.

The irony of that.

So if it is our journalism (An Phravda) that is biased, misleading, disingenuous, inaccurate and mostly propaganda, that is fine, but all other journalists can't be?

Do I understand your position correctly?

FrancieBrady · 19-04-2021 1:36pm

blanch152 wrote: »

So if it is our journalism (An Phravda) that is biased, misleading, disingenuous, inaccurate and mostly propaganda, that is fine, but all other journalists can't be?

Do I understand your position correctly?

Never read an issue of that publication you are nicknaming (Marine Layer will no doubt be on to you shortly) in my life blanch, I know it is likely to be propaganda.

I have to be smarter when reading the less blatant (mostly but certainly not always) publications.

blanch152 · 19-04-2021 1:41pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Never read an issue of that publication you are nicknaming (Marine Layer will no doubt be on to you shortly) in my life blanch, I know it is likely to be propaganda.

I have to be smarter when reading the less blatant (mostly but certainly not always) publications.

Well then, you will understand therefore, that in that context, I take accusations of bias and propaganda from Sinn Fein supporters/party members/acolytes/defenders with more than one grain of salt and remind myself of the "Do what I say, not what I do" approach of the Sinn Fein leadership.

StupidLikeAFox · 19-04-2021 1:42pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The reaction is to the usual's finding the Shinners guilty without any evidence of what is going on.
The reaction is also to the accusation that they are not answering questions. They are...to the relevant person, the DPC.
No more than any other party, SF are not answerable to the Indo and it's staff.

So just to summarise:
- Every party has this type of database, its no big deal
- This story is a conspiracy to deflect from Leos legal issues
- The story is bollix because its in the independent (ignoring the other outlets that are reporting it)
- There is nothing to see here, move along and don't be asking questions

It would be great if SF just came out and described what was going on with this system, it would put the whole thing to bed.

FrancieBrady · 19-04-2021 1:50pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Well then, you will understand therefore, that in that context, I take accusations of bias and propaganda from Sinn Fein supporters/party members/acolytes/defenders with more than one grain of salt and remind myself of the "Do what I say, not what I do" approach of the Sinn Fein leadership.

You are buying a Sinn Fein publication blanch. If you buy a Seamus Heaney book you don't expect to read John Montague's poem's. Reader beware and all that.

When you buy an independent newspaper you don't expect to read party propaganda.

The poster suspects that is what it is. Not the first nor the last time, no doubt, that the Indo will be accused of that in the context of SF.

blanch152 · 19-04-2021 1:53pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You are buying a Sinn Fein publication blanch. If you buy a Seamus Heaney book you don't expect to read John Montague's poem's. Reader beware and all that.

When you buy an independent newspaper you don't expect to read party propaganda.

The poster suspects that is what it is. Not the first nor the last time, no doubt, that the Indo will be accused of that in the context of SF.

Don't buy that at all, and that isn't the point or the issue.

You can't be from a constituency or viewpoint that is buried up to its neck in media that is propaganda, tells lies, twists the truth and then complain about others doing the same. It is rank hypocrisy at best.

FrancieBrady · 19-04-2021 1:54pm

StupidLikeAFox wrote: »

So just to summarise:
- Every party has this type of database, its no big deal

Not claimed by me. I have said there may be GDPR issues.

- This story is a conspiracy to deflect from Leos legal issues

Quite possible.

- The story is bollix because its in the independent (ignoring the other outlets that are reporting it)

Quite possible too.

- There is nothing to see here, move along and don't be asking questions

See number 1.

It would be great if SF just came out and described what was going on with this system, it would put the whole thing to bed.

They have said they believe they are compliant. They are dealing with the DPC.

FrancieBrady · 19-04-2021 1:58pm

blanch152 wrote: »

Don't buy that at all, and that isn't the point or the issue.

You can't be from a constituency or viewpoint that is buried up to its neck in media that is propaganda, tells lies, twists the truth and then complain about others doing the same. It is rank hypocrisy at best.

Is that an admission that the Indo is buried up to it's neck in propaganda etc?

I'd love to see publications from other parties that are critical of themselves and don't blow their own trumpets. That would add to the discussion, no doubt. Got any? How is it done in 'normal' parties?

markodaly · 19-04-2021 1:58pm

jmcc wrote: »

How and what part of the GDPR has been breached?

Have you had access to the SF Abu sysem or are you just relying on the stuff from Varadkar's biographer?

Regards...jmcc

There was no consent by the people who were objects of the data to be entered into the Abu system.

blanch152 · 19-04-2021 1:59pm

markodaly wrote: »

There was no consent by the people who were objects of the data to be entered into the Abu system.

Correct, and none of the filibustering around here has addressed that issue.

markodaly · 19-04-2021 2:02pm

jmcc wrote: »

This is Ireland. There is no such thing as a "free and open press". All newspapers have an agenda. Until the recent firesale, IN&M's largest shareholder was the lucky recipient of the second mobile licence courtesy of FG. The same IN&M shareholder also owned some of the main radio stations such as Newstalk and Today FM. Cross-media ownership legislation was ignored for years.

Regards...jmcc

Ireland has "no free and open press"?
Yet more populsit and conspiracy theory nonsense dressed up as some debate point.

https://rsf.org/en/ranking

Ireland ranks 13 out of 180 countries, ahead of Iceland, Canada, Austria and France to name a few.

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