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Ajax wireless alarm system
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27-02-2020 9:37pm#1
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Not yet, they are promoting their own integrations at the moment, but I believe there will be Google Home support in the future. It would be good to integrate some lighting
Definitely would, its what most systems are missing but they have their own devices for home automation.
I use sonoff devices to control lights/heating. also as I get a text from the alarm I use it to trigger lights for alarm activations using IFTTT. Think I read if you use your own sim card on the Ajax you can get text messages from the system but dont quote me on that
If so you can do the same.
The thing I dont agree with from a security point of view is the geofencing, on/off or the arming and disarming the system using commands and codes spoken out.
I dont know much the Ajax system as it is new to the market and home secure have the rights to it here but can be brought in through other channels if needs be. One issue is if you have a zone open when trying to set the alarm is it beeps and you have to go around the house to see whats open, realistically they should have an LCD display so you can see whats open or even for voice prompts.0 -
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Yes Id agree and add them to the list, some fobs can be set for code unset which is a safer solution.
Yep, but you and I know it is rarely used as such. Doing so defeats the purpose of such fobs, which is convenience.Pins on alarm are safe once only users know them, speaking out your code to disarm you alarm would be a different scenario.
Sure, but in a normal residential setting, that isn't going to be much issue in reality, everyone will know the PIN anyway. If you are bringing a stranger home you can always use the keypad for that time, just make sure they don't shoulder surf you 
BTW Google Home actually has voice recognition, it can differentiate between me and my better half, playing from our individual Spotify accounts when we talk to it, etc. I don't think this is at a high enough level of reliability yet for security, but it is only a matter of time. AIB have actually started using voice recognition to identify customers when you call their help line!
I actually wonder when someone builds face ID type biometric tech into a security camera. Imagine a camera at your front door that scans the face of each person who enters and disarms the alarm when it sees you. It could also arm the system when it sees that everyone has left.
Netatmo already has something like this on it's cameras, but I don't think it has anything like face ID level of reliability yet.
It is definitely going to be an interesting space to watch develop over the next few years. Lots of interesting possibilities.Id agree also its not ideal and very backward if you have a system that you actually need to open an app to see whats open and closed.
LCD keypad or voice prompts would be a easy fix to this solution.
Well, you don't necessarily have to open an app. When it fails to arm, the system can just send you a notification of why it failed, you can read it by just glancing at your phone lock screen, much quicker then needing to open the app. I don't know if Ajax does this, but if it doesn't it should, it would make up for the lack of screen.
But I agree I'd prefer if it had a screen. My Yale system doesn't have a screen, I don't like that, but neither is it the end of the world, it is relatively seldom that I forget to lock a window, but it would be nicer if it had it. It isn't a big enough to be a deal breaker, just a minor annoyance/con.
Actually on that, I don't know why no one is using e-ink screens on their keypads. e-ink is great, always on screen and at a fraction of the power usage of a LED screen. My Netatmo Smart Thermostat has such a screen and it is great, works really well, years of battery life out of it. Would be perfect for use in alarm keypads like these.
Anyway always fun to chat and think about these things
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Yep, but you and I know it is rarely used as such. Doing so defeats the purpose of such fobs, which is convenience.
Yes Id agree with that bk, I would always recommend on fobs that would be used for the purpose of putting them on your keys.Sure, but in a normal residential setting, that isn't going to be much issue in reality, everyone will know the PIN anyway. If you are bringing a stranger home you can always use the keypad for that time, just make sure they don't shoulder surf you
Hahaha you just never know whos watching, plus if you look at older keypads its not rocket science to work out codes from dirty and clean buttonsBTW Google Home actually has voice recognition, it can differentiate between me and my better half, playing from our individual Spotify accounts when we talk to it, etc. I don't think this is at a high enough level of reliability yet for security, but it is only a matter of time. AIB have actually started using voice recognition to identify customers when you call their help line!
Yes they do but its more so the speaking of your user code than the voice recognition which can be used to disarm your alarm system I was thinking along the lines of.I actually wonder when someone builds face ID type biometric tech into a security camera. Imagine a camera at your front door that scans the face of each person who enters and disarms the alarm when it sees you. It could also arm the system when it sees that everyone has left.
Netatmo already has something like this on it's cameras, but I don't think it has anything like face ID level of reliability yet.
It is definitely going to be an interesting space to watch develop over the next few years. Lots of interesting possibilities.
It sure is, technology is moving so fast along that something done last year is superseded the next. Its good to be moving with the times, just need a few alarm companies to do the same re the home automation side of things and we will be all happy.Well, you don't necessarily have to open an app. When it fails to arm, the system can just send you a notification of why it failed, you can read it by just glancing at your phone lock screen, much quicker then needing to open the app. I don't know if Ajax does this, but if it doesn't it should, it would make up for the lack of screen.
But I agree I'd prefer if it had a screen. My Yale system doesn't have a screen, I don't like that, but neither is it the end of the world, it is relatively seldom that I forget to lock a window, but it would be nicer if it had it. It isn't a big enough to be a deal breaker, just a minor annoyance/con.
You do on the Ajax system. LCD screen or even a voice anounations of the open zones would be the ideal solution.Anyway always fun to chat and think about these things
Always good to have constructive banter re these system and what they should be bringing to the table to make end users life easier 0 -
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Hi All,
just moved into new home, and found this forum, very interesting
House is fully pre-wired, but I am now reconsidering the initial thoughts to go fully wired, after reading about this AJAX system. Pricing (initial and ongoing costs) and lack of smarts in 'traditional' intrusion alarms are pushing me towards self-install of AJAX. what I think I would like is a modern hybrid 'smart' system in self monitored mode. I would like to use wired, but I am no electrician!
I found this one on the HIKVision site, and potentially meets what I want, but unable to find installer that will use it.
I think what the poster above in relation to the HIKVision wireless alarm is the AX or AX Pro they have on their site?
anyways the more I read and think about it, I will probably go for self install of Ajax, then I have full control and can manage and upgrade/add to it as I see fit. Home Secure do offer a very good package, €99 install €36 a month for 3 years. And seemingly I own it at the end. However they can't supply the newer hub or motioncams, so for similar money, up front of course, I can get the HUB 2 and motioncams. of course I do not get professional install, monitoring, support or SIM paid for.0 -
thomasoreilly wrote: »Hi All,
just moved into new home, and found this forum, very interesting
House is fully pre-wired, but I am now reconsidering the initial thoughts to go fully wired, after reading about this AJAX system. Pricing (initial and ongoing costs) and lack of smarts in 'traditional' intrusion alarms are pushing me towards self-install of AJAX. what I think I would like is a modern hybrid 'smart' system in self monitored mode. I would like to use wired, but I am no electrician!
I found this one on the HIKVision site, and potentially meets what I want, but unable to find installer that will use it.
I think what the poster above in relation to the HIKVision wireless alarm is the AX or AX Pro they have on their site?
anyways the more I read and think about it, I will probably go for self install of Ajax, then I have full control and can manage and upgrade/add to it as I see fit. Home Secure do offer a very good package, €99 install €36 a month for 3 years. And seemingly I own it at the end. However they can't supply the newer hub or motioncams, so for similar money, up front of course, I can get the HUB 2 and motioncams. of course I do not get professional install, monitoring, support or SIM paid for.
I think with Home Secure you cant add on to your setup without their say so.
I could be wrong,
My Ajax setup cost around 11000 -
Duke of Url wrote: »I think with Home Secure you cant add on to your setup without their say so.
I could be wrong,
My Ajax setup cost around 1100
I asked if I would have admin access, and he said potentially, but I guess they probably aren't too keen on giving it, and allowing you to buy your own devices, modify the system, and then expect support! I asked if I got the motioncams myself could I add them and he basically said they are not available in UK or Ireland
Would you recommend the Ajax?
I am also going to be looking at Eufy for Doorbell and security cams, you happy with them? was originally actually going to do the alarm based off the Eufy as well. e.g. get the camera system, and a few of the alarm accessories.
Did you consider this? adding contact sensors, motion and keypad.
If it met my requirements, then I'd keep it, if not proceed with dedicated system like Ajax or professional wired. Actually I might still do that....
Don't wanna hijack the thread but I have concern with Eufy cameras, I read the 'local' storage doesn't work if internet or their servers are down, anyone able to comment on this? need to do bit more research on it.
Also like the idea of the Ezviz that has SIM backup in its base station, but not all cameras seem to talk back to it. I guess neither do all the Eufy cams with the homebase (for now), I know I am rambling, but I have found a place to actually discuss 0 -
thomasoreilly wrote: »I asked if I would have admin access, and he said potentially, but I guess they probably aren't too keen on giving it, and allowing you to buy your own devices, modify the system, and then expect support! I asked if I got the motioncams myself could I add them and he basically said they are not available in UK or Ireland
Would you recommend the Ajax?
I am also going to be looking at Eufy for Doorbell and security cams, you happy with them? was originally actually going to do the alarm based off the Eufy as well. e.g. get the camera system, and a few of the alarm accessories.
Did you consider this? adding contact sensors, motion and keypad.
If it met my requirements, then I'd keep it, if not proceed with dedicated system like Ajax or professional wired. Actually I might still do that....
Don't wanna hijack the thread but I have concern with Eufy cameras, I read the 'local' storage doesn't work if internet or their servers are down, anyone able to comment on this? need to do bit more research on it.
Also like the idea of the Ezviz that has SIM backup in its base station, but not all cameras seem to talk back to it. I guess neither do all the Eufy cams with the homebase (for now), I know I am rambling, but I have found a place to actually discuss
Homesecure charge you an extra a month per add on.
https://www.homesecure.ie/products/#gref
They won’t give you admin access and you can’t get it unmonitored.
Homesecure is a complete waste when you can do everything yourself.
Eufy security IMO is a perfect setup with the doorbell and cameras. Not one issue to be had so far.0 -
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