Trying to register .ie domain

Sounds · 05-03-2013 6:35am

Here's a solution that might help.

Register a cheap domain name, .biz or something, example host.biz
That domain will be used to register for a reseller hosting account.
A reseller hosting account will enable you to create hosting accounts for your own domain names.
It just works out a lot cheaper than signing up for separate hosting accounts for each domain.

Register a business name with cro as a sole trader 20€
Your cert is sent in the post and you get your RBN number.

Buy a cheap reseller hosting package for 15/20$ so you can set up hosting
accounts for your own domains, instead of renting separate hosting accounts.
One of my personal choices would be cPanel.

Use the reseller account to set up hosting accounts for your domain names.

When asked what relationship your .ie has with the other domain (reseller account host.biz)
host.biz is providing the hosting for your .ie domain name/s.
Problem solved.

Well that's my solution, hope it helps

Graham · 05-03-2013 8:30am

Having a reseller account is not going to make the blindest difference in how you register a .ie domain name.

Sounds · 05-03-2013 8:41am

We were asked to provide information and a reason for registering a .ie
We simply replied that the other domain (reseller) was providing the hosting
for the new .ie that we wanted to register, application was filled.

I didn't say that you have to have a reseller hosting account to register a .ie this worked for us.

Graham · 05-03-2013 8:47am

I could go out this morning, buy a small piece of soft fruit, name it Bob, then go and register a .ie domain name but that wouldn't be relevant here either.

mneylon · 05-03-2013 10:06am

Sounds wrote: »

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Register a business name with cro as a sole trader 20€

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The only relevant bit in there is registering the business name with the CRO.

Sounds · 05-03-2013 10:19am

I just read the post, not how old it was, and could relate to their situation as it was a bit stressful to get a .ie at first.
If i follow the same procedure to day, i'd have my domain tomorrow or next day, that's all i'm saying.
Where as if i registered any other tld, i'd have my hosting setup and pointing to the domain in mins.

smash · 05-03-2013 10:35am

Sounds wrote: »

If i follow the same procedure to day, i'd have my domain tomorrow or next day, that's all i'm saying.

All you need is your RBN number and you can get one in minutes. I've even registered .ie domains for personal hobby use and had them approved in a couple of hours based on a cover letter (email) sent to the IEDR.

Graham · 05-03-2013 11:07am

+1

Even a discretionary name is quick enough, 24 hours from registration to domain resolving the last time I did it. I probably could have got it faster than that if I'd included the supporting application letter with the application.

Graham · 08-03-2013 6:48pm

I stand corrected, recently registered a .ie about 2pm in the day, domain was resolving the same day shortly after 5pm. Just over 3 hours :eek:

Top marks to the IEDR.

Sounds · 09-03-2013 1:32am

Very fast yes, they realize that Ireland are behind the rest of the world in the TLD business.. at last
Or you just caught them on a good day.

Lord TSC · 08-09-2013 5:56pm

So, I want to register a .ie domain for a "business" idea. The idea is the website will offer a service which in itself is free, but that as part of the service, visitors will be linked to products made available through affiliate programs. It's not really an out-and-out business venture as much as it's an attempt to make some money from an idea and avail of affiliate programs.

So, looking at some of the domain registering sites, would I be listing myself as a private individual, or do I have to list as a sole trader? Also, everywhere seems to want a letter as well; does an e-mail count? I can put my signature into the email, but do they need a physical page of paper? Do I HAVE to register a business name to register a .ie which will possibly involve business? What's the most hassle-free way of getting the .ie without actually damaging my venture? (Not a laziness thing, btw. Just want to make sure I do everything right and don't overcomplicate things).

I've registered .com before so this aspect of getting a domain is new to me. Sorry for the n00b questions

Sounds · 08-09-2013 6:20pm

I think the whole .ie thing is a bit messy, as in you have to use your real name when registering,
That is sort of unfair as your name will appear in whois info for your domain name,
Although i did ask letshost .ie about this and they said you could use your business name.

I'm listed as a sole trader as i don't have a registered business, it's just another web project to me,
What i did was buy a business name from cro.ie for 20 euro, they send you a certificate,
That way you have some info that you will use when registering your irish domain name.

Yes they want a letter from you explaining what you will be using your irish domain for.
You can write up a letter explaining your plans for the domain name and email that to them, include your business name number.
It's not as straight forward as registering any other domain but it's not difficult to get a .ie

I have a reseller hosting account for years, i reged a .ie for that later on so basically that domain.ie is my hosting site,
When i reg a new .ie i say the new .ie will be hosted byy the other .ie which is my web hosting site, well it worked for me.
They ask you for a letter every time you reg a .ie lets say host.ie is your first domain name and you have that connected to
a reseller hosting plan for like 20 per month, that's what i had, then you say in your letter that host.ie will be providing the
hosting for newdomain.ie and that seems to be enough info for your letter.

Graham · 08-09-2013 6:29pm

You can register a discretionary domain name without needing to jump through many hoops. A discretionary domain name also means there is no need to register a business name.

Hosting is entirely irrelevant to the process of registering a .ie domain name.

mneylon · 09-09-2013 10:56am

Graham wrote: »

Hosting is entirely irrelevant to the process of registering a .ie domain name.

No it isn't
You cannot register a .ie domain name unless its DNS is properly configured in advance.
Unfortunately this can be an issue and the domain(s) will not be registered until it is resolved

Sounds · 09-09-2013 11:27am

If you don't expect tons of traffic, even if you do get a lot of traffic, i could cut you a cheap deal on hosting under a .ie
That's one way you can say in your letter your .ie is hosted by a .ie, i have servers in the us with cpanel hosting panel.
All i need to know is your domain name and how much web space, we do 10 gigs monthly bandwidth per 1 gig web space.
I didn't say it's the only way to get a .ie but it did help me get my .ie quicker, shout me if interested.

Graham · 09-09-2013 12:07pm

Blacknight wrote: »

No it isn't
You cannot register a .ie domain name unless its DNS is properly configured in advance.
Unfortunately this can be an issue and the domain(s) will not be registered until it is resolved

DNS is an issue, agreed.

I'll clarify:

Having a reseller account selling cheap hosting last time you managed to register a .ie is not relevant.

mneylon · 09-09-2013 2:36pm

Graham wrote: »

DNS is an issue, agreed.

Good

Graham wrote: »

I'll clarify:

Having a reseller account selling cheap hosting last time you managed to register a .ie is not relevant.

Yeah, that's a total non-sequitur

Lord TSC · 09-09-2013 4:23pm

Hey guys, thanks for the response.

Blacknight just emailed me to let me know my application for my .ie domain name has been accepted

So now the fun part starts of designing the website and trying to make it presentable.

Blacknight rep (and Sounds too, since he offered), slightly OT, but do you guys facilitate Wordpress instillation, yeah? It's what I know so would like to use it at least starting off.

mneylon · 09-09-2013 4:43pm

Teamshadowclan wrote: »

Blacknight rep (and Sounds too, since he offered), slightly OT, but do you guys facilitate Wordpress instillation, yeah? It's what I know so would like to use it at least starting off.

If you host with us you get access to an auto-installer, though you'll have more control over it if you do a "normal" manual install

Sounds · 09-09-2013 6:46pm

Yes you'd have admin access to cPanel hosting account, www.cpanel.net
Our dedicated servers are at bluemile data center in salt lake city USA.
cPanel has softaculous built in so wordpress is just a one click install. www.softaculous.com
Don't know what you're building but i think 500 mb or 1 gig space would be plenty for a small or medium site.

What i meant about reseller hosting was, when i started out i use to buy hosting accounts, 10 or 15 dollars per month,
I decided that having a reseller hosting account worked out better, i could create lots of hosting accounts for myself and others, for 20 per month.
I used that to connect my first .ie to my first server, and when they asked what the connection was, i would say mysite.ie is providing hosting for new.ie
And my applications were approved.

vicwatson · 12-09-2013 11:36pm

If I had a hardware shop called Jim's Hardware and a website up and running called jimshardware.ie for example and decided to specialise in the selling of timber and I wanted to set up a website called timber.ie would this be possible?

Should I go and register this business name with the CRO in order to help my case in getting the domain name timber.ie ????

Sounds · 13-09-2013 12:29am

If you already have a .ie then there is nothing stopping you registering another right?
I think if you have a biz name already then that is enough to register another, using that business number.

mneylon · 13-09-2013 12:58pm

vicwatson wrote: »

If I had a hardware shop called Jim's Hardware and a website up and running called jimshardware.ie for example and decided to specialise in the selling of timber and I wanted to set up a website called timber.ie would this be possible?

Should I go and register this business name with the CRO in order to help my case in getting the domain name timber.ie ????

You *could* register the generic term, but you'd need to provide documentation explaining the "connection"
Generally speaking, if you have a registered business name (or an LTD) you can use the "discretionary" category to register alternative domain names that are connected to your business but that aren't partial or exact matches of the business / company name
Having said that, registering a business name isn't much work and if you want to trade using timber.ie (as an example) having the registered business wouldn't hurt

podge57 · 26-09-2013 11:20am

I have a website set up, I already have the .com domain, but it's mainly geared towards Ireland so I want to use the .ie

I'm not selling anything though, is it still necessary to register as a business?

(the site isn't in my own name...)

edit: think if I select "discretionary name" and I am applying as a "natural person", I might just need to send a letter and proof of address

Graham · 26-09-2013 11:47am

podge57 wrote: »

I have a website set up, I already have the .com domain, but it's mainly geared towards Ireland so I want to use the .ie

I'm not selling anything though, is it still necessary to register as a business?

(the site isn't in my own name...)

edit: think if I select "discretionary name" and I am applying as a "natural person", I might just need to send a letter and proof of address

A letter and a copy of an Irish ID (passport, driving license etc) along with a screenshot of the website you intend to run on the domain are usually sufficient.

TonyMCI · 15-01-2014 1:45am

What if you where to buy the .com domain name of your company first and use Geo targeting in web master tools to target Ireland , and later down the line get the .ie domain name and redirect it to your .com domain name ? Any thoughts .

mneylon · 15-01-2014 10:17am

TonyMCI wrote: »

What if you where to buy the .com domain name of your company first and use Geo targeting in web master tools to target Ireland , and later down the line get the .ie domain name and redirect it to your .com domain name ? Any thoughts .

There's no reason why you couldn't do that.

TonyMCI · 17-01-2014 5:59am

Cheers thanks for the reply

893bet · 24-01-2014 4:56pm

Looking at this also. Might just be easier take a .com name. The .ie name is perfect though.

Graham · 24-01-2014 6:36pm

893bet wrote: »

Looking at this also. Might just be easier take a .com name. The .ie name is perfect though.

What's stopping you getting the .ie, it's not difficult any more. Look at the discretionary names category if you're not yet ready to commit to registering a business.

A Greedy Algorithm · 17-05-2014 11:50am

Can some one push me in the right direction,

I want to make a simple enough website for a company, in order to do this i must register a domain name and also pay for hosting is this correct? The site itself is not selling any goods, it is merely for informational purposes.

Sounds · 17-05-2014 12:00pm

Hi,

You need a domain name first, if it's a .ie domain name,
You could purchase a cheap web hosting package with the domain from the same providers.
If you're planning on doing websites for other companies, I recommend the reseller package.
That way you can create your own cPanel web hosting accounts for multiple domains for cheap, 20$ per month.

I discovered if I create a cPanel hosting account for a domain name I haven't bought yet,
By the time I register a domain and set its dns records to the server that cPanel account is on,
The domain name propagates almost instantly! It can take up to 48 hours to propagate fully.

Graham · 17-05-2014 12:15pm

You can register a domain name and setup hosting with a multitude of Irish hosting providers, not necessarily the one recommended by Sounds.

Unfortunately, for historical reasons discussion of hosting is banned on Boards.ie so we can't recommend any specific providers. I would suggest you do a Google search for Irish Web Host and follow that up with a search for reviews of any hosting provider you're considering.

Sounds · 17-05-2014 12:27pm

That was just an example, they were the cheapest for .ie domain names when I needed to register them.
Reseller hosting accounts are useful if someone wants full access to their own web hosting account, emails, databases etc.
You can use any provider, you might want to get the domain and hosting from the same place, you might not.

Sorry the provider's names were removed

janandbren · 19-07-2014 7:24pm

Just a quick question when registering a business name online on CRO? On the actual form its, looking for signatures, so does this mean I have to print out to sign, and then scan or something to submit online? Im looking for fastest way possible! Many Thanks!

Sounds · 19-07-2014 7:52pm

I printed and signed mine then emailed the scanned copy back.. few years back

janandbren · 19-07-2014 8:13pm

thanks for quick response sounds!

mneylon · 20-07-2014 2:22pm

The main delay with registering with the CRO was payment. They're now taking payments online, so as long as you get them the signed bit back it should be relatively painless.
Bear in mind, however, that it can take up to 3 weeks to fully process.
More details here: http://www.cro.ie/ena/business-registration-business-name.aspx

Sounds · 20-07-2014 10:25pm

Also they make you put your real name in the whois info for your .ie domain.
Which is rather intruding on your right for privacy, if you would prefer to keep your real name off the net for security reasons.
I think they are years behind on technology in Ireland, and over priced compared to other tlds, but they have excuses for that too.

jmcc · 20-07-2014 10:47pm

Sounds wrote: »

Also they make you put your real name in the whois info for your .ie domain.
Which is rather intruding on your right for privacy, if you would prefer to keep your real name off the net for security reasons.

It is a thin whois so address data is not included as it would be with .COM or gTLDs.

I think they are years behind on technology in Ireland, and over priced compared to other tlds, but they have excuses for that too.

I don't think that you know much about the domain name business. Managed TLDs tend to have lower registration figures than open TLDs like .COM etc. That does not necessarily mean that Ireland is behind on technology.

Regards...jmcc

Sounds · 20-07-2014 10:53pm

I know as much as you know about technology and domain management, if not more, but that's not the issue..
I take it back, Ireland are well up on technology, there's no excuse to be more expensive than other companies offering the same services for over 20 years.

jmcc · 21-07-2014 1:00am

Sounds wrote: »

I know as much as you know about technology and domain management, if not more, but that's not the issue..

Perhaps not. You don't track the domain registration and hosting statistics of over five million hosters, track hundreds of TLDs each day, track the registration, transfers, deletions, hosting, and locations of over a hundred and sixty million active domain names and over one hundred and fifty million deleted domain names going back to 2000. Perhaps you haven't mapped the entire com/net/org/biz/info/mobi/asia TLDs by website and run million domain name website usage categorisation surveys either. Then there's that little thing about having been on an ICANN advisory group on specific domain name issues. And there's the twenty years or so of registering domain names in .IE and other TLDs. At least I've managed to reduce the number of domain names that I own to just over a hundred. So as you can see, I have a slightly different view of the domain name business than most people.

I take it back, Ireland are well up on technology, there's no excuse to be more expensive than other companies offering the same services for over 20 years.

Twenty years ago, domain name registrations were free even in the .IE ccTLD. In 1995, a two year registration fee ($50 per year) for .COM domains was implemented. The price for .IE was over 100 Euro when fees were brought in and it is really only in the last ten years that the cost of .IEs have fallen.

The .IE ccTLD is a managed TLD. This means that some form of entitlement to the domain has to be shown before IEDR will register a domain. Typically this is a company name, a CRO business name registration, a personal registration or a discretionary registration. The CRO aspect adds another cost to the already high cost of .IE registrations. However some hosters sell .IE as a loss leader on hosting packages which can reduce the cost of the registrations. There are no such requirements for .COM or many other gTLDs so they have global markets and are cheaper. This is not an excuse. I still think that any .IE registrant using an exact match CRO business name that had to be registered for the purpose of registration should get some kind of discount. The .IE registration fee is still high in comparison with other TLDs but at the moment it is dominating the Irish market. This is unlikely to change in the immediate future and the launch of .IRISH gTLD may not make a serious dent in its market share.

Regards...jmcc

mneylon · 21-07-2014 11:19am

Sounds wrote: »

Also they make you put your real name in the whois info for your .ie domain.
Which is rather intruding on your right for privacy, if you would prefer to keep your real name off the net for security reasons.

It's your name ONLY. No other contact details.
Unless, like me, you have an odd name, it's highly unlikely that the mere inclusion of your name in whois is going to have much impact on your privacy

Sounds wrote: »

I think they are years behind on technology in Ireland, and over priced compared to other tlds, but they have excuses for that too.

.ie domains are more expensive than some ccTLDs - yes
However they're cheaper than a LOT of new TLDs

bytasv · 21-08-2014 11:30am

Hello,

I'm trying to complete my submission for business name registration with no luck yet. I'm not a citizen of Ireland nor I have a company registered in Ireland. What are my options so I could finish my submission and then proceed onto domain registration?

Is there a service in Ireland that could provide me address which I could use for business name registration or something like that?

Thank you for your help.

smash · 21-08-2014 11:33am

bytasv wrote: »

Hello,

I'm trying to complete my submission for business name registration with no luck yet. I'm not a citizen of Ireland nor I have a company registered in Ireland. What are my options so I could finish my submission and then proceed onto domain registration?

Is there a service in Ireland that could provide me address which I could use for business name registration or something like that?

Thank you for your help.

You can register a business name as a sole trader through CRO.ie but I think you need an Irish address to do it.

bytasv · 21-08-2014 11:35am

smash wrote: »

You can register a business name as a sole trader through CRO.ie but I think you need an Irish address to do it.

Yes that is what I started to do. Unfortunately I did not find anywhere that you need an Irish address in order to register a business name. Does anyone know if I could use any Irish address, address of my relatives..?

mneylon · 21-08-2014 1:35pm

bytasv wrote: »

Yes that is what I started to do. Unfortunately I did not find anywhere that you need an Irish address in order to register a business name. Does anyone know if I could use any Irish address, address of my relatives..?

You probably could use your relative's address, but you'd need to let them know ..

bytasv · 21-08-2014 1:45pm

Does it involve any risks for people that would allow me to use their address? Could anyone posting in these forums help me with that?

Graham · 21-08-2014 2:33pm

bytasv wrote: »

Does it involve any risks for people that would allow me to use their address? Could anyone posting in these forums help me with that?

The address you give will be listed publicly against your business name at least on the CRO website and quite possibly to a broader range of websites.

Will your friends/relatives be ok with that?

bytasv · 21-08-2014 2:38pm

Right now I just want to secure a domain name and no real business or anything will happen for that matter so I believe that publicly visible address should not make any harm to anyone.. Another question is - will I be allowed to use address if my friends/relatives are renting the place and not owning it?

Trying to register .ie domain

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