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  • #52
    starbaby2003
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 664 ✭✭✭starbaby2003


    Pedro Ugly Self-reliance wrote: »
    There is an unspoken agreement in the estate that to allow everyone find space you park on the path, anyone who doesn’t is seen as ignorant and I fully agree with this.

    There is nowhere outside the estate to park so if the estate if full by people not parking fairly (I.e. on the path) the there is nowhere for people to park.

    I only visit this estate occasionally now and the car numbers are increasing with anyone with a 4x4 now having to park up with wheels on the green in narrower parts etc so cars have the road or path. it’s pure ignorance not to try to park in a path of possible.

    This is bull****. I assure you no such agreement exists in our estate and we are subjected to the attached ‘visitors’ parking daily.


  • #53
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,714 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Cyrus wrote: »
    So you think pushing someone with a buggy onto the road is a good idea ?

    How many cars can each house park in their drive ?

    One car in some, two in others. From what I understand the people who bought the houses first had the option of a front garden and one space or pay a small bit more and get two spaces instead of the garden. Of course many shortsighted people opted for one space though as the houses have changed hands many gardens were converted to spaces but still I’d guess about half the houses have only one space and half have two roughly.

    Many houses now have 3 cars though, an odd one even 4 (or some have cars and a work van etc) so couple that with visitors and you end up with the need for using both sides of the road for parking.
    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Why would you expect public space to be given over to storage of private property?

    Because it should be, that’s how estates work people need to park also the public areas in the estate are for the benefit of the residents and they would all want more parking. Other estates in the area with a similar layout have additional parking cut into the green area but for some reason this was never added to the estate in question. Making the road a yard wider was all that was needed, the green area is unusually large and only a small portion is actually used so it would have made zero difference to have a wider road in the estate and a slightly smaller green.

    I know you have outlandish options on cars so I wouldn’t be basing anything on your way of thinking.


  • #54
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,443 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Pedro Ugly Self-reliance wrote: »

    Many houses now have 3 cars though, an odd one even 4 (or some have cars and a work van etc) so couple that with visitors and you end up with the need for using both sides of the road for parking.

    Again, why would you think that public space should be given over to storage of private property? Have you anything better than 'that's how it should be'?

    If I get a new snooker table, can I take public space on the road to store my hobby equipment? I need my snooker, you know.


  • #55
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,783 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Why would you expect public space to be given over to storage of private property?
    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Again, why would you think that public space should be given over to storage of private property? Have you anything better than 'that's how it should be'?

    If I get a new snooker table, can I take public space on the road to store my hobby equipment? I need my snooker, you know.


    Mod Note

    Andrew, you have posted the same comment in multiple threads about private cars. Do not mention it again.


  • #56
    Sarn
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,091 ✭✭✭Sarn


    I would be of the view, that parking that does not obstruct or inconvenience anyone is fair enough. Also, parking on a footpath where pedestrians are not inconvenienced should be ok.


  • #57
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,783 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    If most streets, particularly small estates, if people park cars correctly on opposite sides of the road, the large vans or emergency vehicles can not pass.


  • #58
    Rothmans
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,805 ✭✭✭Rothmans


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Again, why would you think that public space should be given over to storage of private property? Have you anything better than 'that's how it should be'?

    If I get a new snooker table, can I take public space on the road to store my hobby equipment? I need my snooker, you know.

    Have you never chained your bicycle to a pole, railing or a bike stand in a public place?


  • #59
    lalababa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭lalababa


    The f**king joys of parking wars, they are like little cross terriers barking. My 1st warning for parking in a public street opp. someones (deranged) house, was to just sense a little knock as I turned the steering to get out from spot at 3:30 to head on early shift. Something wasn't right, out I got to find all (the inside by the wall ) front wheel nuts on the ground! And I going to head for the motorway.


  • #60
    lalababa
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,736 ✭✭✭lalababa


    salonfire wrote: »
    dougiex06 wrote: »
    Hi,

    A very petty topic I know but I'm just wondering could someone help me. A couple of times I've had to park across the road from my house. I park in front of someone else's house in the estate but the road itself is public. I'm not obstructing anything and all cars can get by etc. Recently, the lady has bought and erected a no parking sign and stuck it on her wall. Whenever I park there she refers to the sign and makes me move. Other people in the estate now have to park on the other side of the road and it causes obstructions as there are cars parked on both sides now.

    Is this woman allowed just put up a no parking sign? Is there any way I can complain and get it taken down. Its attached to her front wall facing out.

    Petty I know.

    Kind regards.

    A

    Why can you not park in your own property? Widen the driveway or concrete over the lawn if needs be to create extra parking
    Yep tis an idea, more & more there is planning permission needed though for drainage, but you could easily put a gravel parking spot.


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  • #61
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,443 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Rothmans wrote: »
    Have you never chained your bicycle to a pole, railing or a bike stand in a public place?
    Yes, indeed I have - though rarely enough, as the risk of getting a bike stolen in Dublin is a big problem. I've also parked my car in a public place occasionaly.



    What I haven't done is jumped up and down in a tantrum expecting the world to be organised around my parking needs.


  • #62
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    kceire wrote: »
    If most streets, particularly small estates, if people park cars correctly on opposite sides of the road, the large vans or emergency vehicles can not pass.

    If the 2 cars are blocking vehicles then 1 of them is not parked correctly.


  • #63
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,783 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    amcalester wrote: »
    If the 2 cars are blocking vehicles then 1 of them is not parked correctly.

    Which one?
    My own estate for example, if both cars parked opposite each other, another car wouldnt fit down the middle of the road.


  • #64
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    kceire wrote: »
    Which one?
    My own estate for example, if both cars parked opposite each other, another car would fit down the middle of the road.

    Assuming it’s legal to park on both sides of the street, not blocking an entrance etc whoever parked first is ok but the second to park is obstructing traffic and this is an offense.

    Now, as an observer it’d be impossible to say who parked first but that’s irrelevant, 1 of them has parked incorrectly.


  • #65
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,783 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    amcalester wrote: »
    Assuming it’s legal to park on both sides of the street, not blocking an entrance etc whoever parked first is ok but the second to park is obstructing traffic and this is an offense.

    Now, as an observer it’d be impossible to say who parked first but that’s irrelevant, 1 of them has parked incorrectly.

    But both are parked legally, not blocking entrances etc


  • #66
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    kceire wrote: »
    But both are parked legally, not blocking entrances etc

    Interfering with the normal flow of traffic is an offense. As is parking in a way that obstructs traffic.


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  • #67
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,443 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    kceire wrote: »
    Which one?
    My own estate for example, if both cars parked opposite each other, another car would fit down the middle of the road.


    Would a bin lorry fit down the middle? Or a fire brigade?


  • #68
    m5ex9oqjawdg2i
    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,221 ✭✭✭✭m5ex9oqjawdg2i


    Dav010 wrote: »
    Intimidation? I’d really like to see the guards reaction to someone claiming pointing to a sign, is intimidation. Love it, all we need now is for the op to say she is elderly.

    Ignore it and if she bothers you tell you'll report her to the Gardai for intimidation.

    If you took the 2-3 seconds to read the post correctly you would see that your strawman is in fact a strawman....
    amcalester wrote: »
    If the 2 cars are blocking vehicles then 1 of them is not parked correctly.

    Or the street is too small to park two cars on it.

    The Irish and their obsession with owning what will never be theirs. OP make it your mission to park in front of this cows house and any damage to your car while parked there can be attributed to said cow and/or her crotch goblins.

    Even if you do everything by the law and the council/Gardai tell this degenerate that the street is public and anybody can park there, she will still believe she is "entitled" to that piece of land before anybody else. People that do this are vermin.


  • #69
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,783 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Would a bin lorry fit down the middle? Or a fire brigade?

    Nope. That’s my point.
    Both cars will Park half on the path this allowing free movement.


  • #70
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,783 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    amcalester wrote: »
    Interfering with the normal flow of traffic is an offense. As is parking in a way that obstructs traffic.

    So both park half on the path and traffic flows perfectly. That’s what Is done in mine and 99% of small housing estates around the country.

    I’m lucky I have a 2 car driveway so I don’t need to park on the path but others do :)


  • #71
    amcalester
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,121 ✭✭✭amcalester


    kceire wrote: »
    So both park half on the path and traffic flows perfectly. That’s what we all do so we’re sorted.

    Also illegal.

    Surprised a mod is advocating illegal activity contrary to the charter of the forum he nods.


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  • #72
    tradesman
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 390 ✭✭tradesman


    Parking on half of the path also obstructs wheelchairs & the not so able bodied also forces people with prams onto the road


  • #73
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,714 ✭ [Deleted User]


    tradesman wrote: »
    Parking on half of the path also obstructs wheelchairs & the not so able bodied also forces people with prams onto the road

    So what in an estate? Most people walk or wheel buggys on the road regardless. Allowing everyone park and in a way that doesn’t block the road is more important than keeping a very underused footpath clear. It is essential for people to be able to park, walking on a footpath in a fairly low traffic estate is not essential.

    Remember it’s many of the people parking on the footpath are the people with buggy’s, I can’t comment on wheelchairs because I’ve never seen a wheel chair in the particular estate I’m referring to but you can be sure they would also park on the path as they would have no option really.

    Too many people are detached from reality on this forum. As for legality, one of the neigbous was a guard and parked squad cars, paddy wagons and his private car on the path always same as everyone else in the estate.


  • #74
    Cyrus
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 20,195 ✭✭✭✭Cyrus


    Pedro Ugly Self-reliance wrote: »
    So what in an estate? Most people walk or wheel buggys on the road regardless. Allowing everyone park and in a way that doesn’t block the road is more important than keeping a very underused footpath clear. It is essential for people to be able to park, walking on a footpath in a fairly low traffic estate is not essential.

    Remember it’s many of the people parking on the footpath are the people with buggy’s, I can’t comment on wheelchairs because I’ve never seen a wheel chair in the particular estate I’m referring to but you can be sure they would also park on the path as they would have no option really.

    Too many people are detached from reality on this forum. As for legality, one of the neigbous was a guard and parked squad cars, paddy wagons and his private car on the path always same as everyone else in the estate.

    People with buggy’s and wheel chairs would park on the road / path instead of their driveways ?

    Doesn’t seem likely


  • #75
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 24,714 ✭ [Deleted User]


    Cyrus wrote: »
    People with buggy’s and wheel chairs would park on the road / path instead of their driveways ?

    Doesn’t seem likely

    There are plenty of houses in the estate with kids, one driveway space and 2/3 cars (leaving aside visitors). So yes people from houses with young children park on the footpaths all the time. No wheel chair uses in the estate as I said so can’t comment on them.

    The same people getting all high horse about parking on the footpaths and “forcing” kids to walk on the road will be the same ones defending kids who play on the roads in estates saying they have a right to be doing it an other such nonsense.


  • #76
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,783 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    Cyrus wrote: »
    People with buggy’s and wheel chairs would park on the road / path instead of their driveways ?

    Doesn’t seem likely

    Same happens in my estate. Many parents actually park outside half on the path and let their kids play in the garden if they are too young to be in the road in their own. And I’m in a quiet cul de sac but all it takes is one car so I can see their point.


  • #77
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,443 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    Pedro Ugly Self-reliance wrote: »
    So what in an estate? Most people walk or wheel buggys on the road regardless. Allowing everyone park and in a way that doesn’t block the road is more important than keeping a very underused footpath clear. It is essential for people to be able to park, walking on a footpath in a fairly low traffic estate is not essential.

    Remember it’s many of the people parking on the footpath are the people with buggy’s, I can’t comment on wheelchairs because I’ve never seen a wheel chair in the particular estate I’m referring to but you can be sure they would also park on the path as they would have no option really.

    Too many people are detached from reality on this forum. As for legality, one of the neigbous was a guard and parked squad cars, paddy wagons and his private car on the path always same as everyone else in the estate.

    Just in case anyone needs reminding of the dangers that arise from pavement parking, this UK campaign would be a good starting point

    https://twitter.com/hashtag/pavementsforpeople?s=09


  • #78
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,783 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Just in case anyone needs reminding of the dangers that arise from pavement parking, this UK campaign would be a good starting point

    https://twitter.com/hashtag/pavementsforpeople?s=09

    That’s bad alright but in my estate, a car can half park on the path, and a wheelchair or buggy including the modern new age mammy bugaboo mobiles can still fit past.

    I think that’s their opinion that they are carrying out a fair compromise (although technically illegal) to allow free movement of traffic into the cul de sac, especially for emergency vehicles.


  • #79
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,443 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    kceire wrote: »
    That’s bad alright but in my estate, a car can half park on the path, and a wheelchair or buggy including the modern new age mammy bugaboo mobiles can still fit past.

    I think that’s their opinion that they are carrying out a fair compromise (although technically illegal) to allow free movement of traffic into the cul de sac, especially for emergency vehicles.

    Is the path designed and built to take the weight of multi tonne vehicles?


  • #80
    zell12
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,997 ✭✭✭✭zell12


    Does the motorist inform their insurer that their vehicle is left on the footpath (in breach of RTA) and abandoned on the footpath at night?


  • #81
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,783 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    Is the path designed and built to take the weight of multi tonne vehicles?

    The road build up is a whacked layer of Clause 804 hardcore with a 75mm tar pour on top.
    The paths are a 225mm thick mass concrete pour. Both in place since 1996. So yes, the paths can take the weight of a 1.5T car is those specific locations.

    The point loads from the wheels at the higher point on the path will actually put increased pressure on the side that is still on the road, so the road side actually fares worse in this situation.


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  • #82
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,783 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    zell12 wrote: »
    Does the motorist inform their insurer that their vehicle is left on the footpath (in breach of RTA) and abandoned on the footpath at night?

    It would make no difference. I know this from experience.


  • #83
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,443 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    kceire wrote: »
    The road build up is a whacked layer of Clause 804 hardcore with a 75mm tar pour on top.
    The paths are a 225mm thick mass concrete pour. Both in place since 1996. So yes, the paths can take the weight of a 1.5T car is those specific locations.

    The point loads from the wheels at the higher point on the path will actually put increased pressure on the side that is still on the road, so the road side actually fares worse in this situation.

    So this kind of parking puts increased pressure on the road, you're saying? Who's going to pay for the extra road maintenance?


  • #84
    Gumbo
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 39,783 Mod ✭✭✭✭Gumbo


    AndrewJRenko wrote: »
    So this kind of parking puts increased pressure on the road, you're saying? Who's going to pay for the extra road maintenance?

    I was hoping you'd mention that.

    So you accept that the half parking on the path doesn't effect the structural capabilities of the pavement, doesn't lead to an increased rate of wear and tear, so now you move onto the road damage.

    Considering the same road is in place since 1996, I'd imagine the road surface will last a significant time longer. Currently no potholes, cracking or major wear and tear present so it has lasted its constructed life cycle and will last longer.


  • #85
    AndrewJRenko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,443 ✭✭✭✭AndrewJRenko


    kceire wrote: »
    I was hoping you'd mention that.

    So you accept that the half parking on the path doesn't effect the structural capabilities of the pavement, doesn't lead to an increased rate of wear and tear, so now you move onto the road damage.

    Considering the same road is in place since 1996, I'd imagine the road surface will last a significant time longer. Currently no potholes, cracking or major wear and tear present so it has lasted its constructed life cycle and will last longer.

    Great to hear that the damage that typically arises from pavement parking isn't an issue in your one particular case

    https://twitter.com/search?q=damage%20pavement%20parking&s=09


  • #86
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,642 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Mod Note

    Back on topic please folks.

    So, about that no-parking sign.


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