Parking

dougiex06 · 13-05-2019 9:07pm #1

Hi,

A very petty topic I know but I'm just wondering could someone help me. A couple of times I've had to park across the road from my house. I park in front of someone else's house in the estate but the road itself is public. I'm not obstructing anything and all cars can get by etc. Recently, the lady has bought and erected a no parking sign and stuck it on her wall. Whenever I park there she refers to the sign and makes me move. Other people in the estate now have to park on the other side of the road and it causes obstructions as there are cars parked on both sides now.

Is this woman allowed just put up a no parking sign? Is there any way I can complain and get it taken down. Its attached to her front wall facing out.

Petty I know.

Kind regards.

A

Dial Hard · 13-05-2019 9:11pm

dougiex06 wrote:

Is this woman allowed just put up a no parking sign? Is there any way I can complain and get it taken down. Its attached to her front wall facing out.

Just ignore it. You've as much right to park there as she has, assuming no obstruction/double yellows etc.

amcalester · 13-05-2019 9:13pm

Ignore it. Some people in estates get a bit funny about parking, best to just ignore her.

Charles Babbage · 13-05-2019 9:17pm

Ignore it and if she bothers you tell you'll report her to the Gardai for intimidation.

H3llR4iser · 14-05-2019 11:26am

As a car enthusiast, I'd advise about putting cameras in the car or a camera in a window / garden in a way that your car is visible when parked. Someone who thinks she has the "right" to impede parking on a public space because she doesn't like it, is probably not beyond damaging your car in case you don't agree with her whims.

Gumbo · 14-05-2019 1:28pm

dougiex06 wrote: »

Hi,

A very petty topic I know but I'm just wondering could someone help me. A couple of times I've had to park across the road from my house. I park in front of someone else's house in the estate but the road itself is public. I'm not obstructing anything and all cars can get by etc. Recently, the lady has bought and erected a no parking sign and stuck it on her wall. Whenever I park there she refers to the sign and makes me move. Other people in the estate now have to park on the other side of the road and it causes obstructions as there are cars parked on both sides now.

Is this woman allowed just put up a no parking sign? Is there any way I can complain and get it taken down. Its attached to her front wall facing out.

Petty I know.

Kind regards.

A

No right to put the sign up.
Annoy her.
Contact your local planning enforcement section and make a complaint for erecting an unauthorised sign on the front boundary wall.

They will issue letter and inspect.
It may very well be exempt and have no legal grounding but maybe the Sectikn 152 warning letter and subsequent inspection will cause her to remove it or cop on.

14-05-2019 1:41pm

Charles Babbage wrote: »

Ignore it and if she bothers you tell you'll report her to the Gardai for intimidation.

Intimidation? I’d really like to see the guards reaction to someone claiming pointing to a sign, is intimidation. Love it, all we need now is for the op to say she is elderly.

Op, it’s one parking spot in an estate. Park down the street a bit, life is too short for the crap that comes with falling out with neighbors over something stupid.

Doop · 14-05-2019 2:52pm

Dav010 wrote: »

Op, it’s one parking spot in an estate. Park down the street a bit, life is too short for the crap that comes with falling out with neighbors over something stupid.

The other neighbor clearly doesn't feel the same...

14-05-2019 7:16pm

Doop wrote: »

The other neighbor clearly doesn't feel the same...

The joys of estate living, it has all types. What’s the point in sinking to her level? All you do is wind her up and create an issue where there doesn’t need to be one.

14-05-2019 7:29pm

If it wasn’t for the risk of getting damage to the car I’d nearly park there just to annoy her.

Riesen_Meal · 14-05-2019 7:31pm

Pedro Ugly Self-reliance wrote: »

If it wasn’t for the risk of getting damage to the car I’d nearly park there just to annoy her.

That's the problem though, all it takes is some oul devious biddy to scrape the car or something...

Some mental people out there, if she's mad enough to go out and get a sign, who knows what else she's capable of...

Samuel T. Cogley · 14-05-2019 7:56pm

If there is room for a fire engine down the street I'd park on my side tbh.

The best traffic calming measure out there is parked cars.

Graham · 14-05-2019 8:00pm

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Danger781 · 15-05-2019 9:13pm

One of our neighbors did this a few years back.

Back story.. This neighbor (I'll call him Bob) doesn't park his car in their driveway and instead uses the road outside the house as his personal parking space. One of our other neighbors (Jim) two doors down from him had visitors who parked their car outside Bob's house on the road as it was the nearest available space. When Bob got home he was furious and marched down to Jim's house demanding that these visitors move their car. No surprise Jim and Co. told Bob where to go..

In retaliation Bob gets back into his car and mounts the step outside Jim's house and blocks Jim's driveway, and refused to move his car until his parking space was cleared. Not sure what happened after that but it wasn't long before Bob got back in his car and moved it two cars down from where he normally parks.

The following morning the "No Parking" sign was mounted on the wall outside the front of his house.

If I remember correctly he had the gardaí knocking on their door a few days later and the sign was gone. Can't remember the exact events but regardless the sign didn't last long...

Anyway, that's my story.. as others have said you can legally ignore her and park wherever you want.

15-05-2019 11:39pm

are you absolutely certain you're not blocking or inconveniencing them, I have a neighbour that used to block my drive both completely and then partially, making it impossible or even just uneccesarily difficult to access without a lot more uneccesary manouvering and risk as they were blocking visibility. After one instance they suggested I just knock ask them to move and even had the gall to tell me I wasn't coming in or out at certain times, I told them where to go they started parking opposite my driveway about a foot off the kerb and right up to my driveway on our adjoining dipped section, it's completely inconsiderate and dickish behaviour which has resulted in bin trucks not being able to get past on a number of occasions, and there is plenty of space they could access or avail of, either their own driveway or a car length further for the vehicles parked opposite us, you might not be blocking their driveway but if you are making it difficult or restricting visibility for them accessing their drive then it would be reasonable and sensible to alter your parking. If you have alternative places you should avail of them for the sake of cooperation imo.

16-05-2019 4:51pm

dougiex06 wrote: »

Hi,

A very petty topic I know but I'm just wondering could someone help me. A couple of times I've had to park across the road from my house. I park in front of someone else's house in the estate but the road itself is public. I'm not obstructing anything and all cars can get by etc. Recently, the lady has bought and erected a no parking sign and stuck it on her wall. Whenever I park there she refers to the sign and makes me move. Other people in the estate now have to park on the other side of the road and it causes obstructions as there are cars parked on both sides now.

Is this woman allowed just put up a no parking sign? Is there any way I can complain and get it taken down. Its attached to her front wall facing out.

Petty I know.

Kind regards.

A

Why can you not park in your own property? Widen the driveway or concrete over the lawn if needs be to create extra parking

Samuel T. Cogley · 16-05-2019 7:38pm

salonfire wrote: »

Why can you not park in your own property? Widen the driveway or concrete over the lawn if needs be to create extra parking

Dishing the curb requires planning permission and it's not always granted. They won't grant permission for one of my neighbours despite him having a drive. I'm limited (by planning) to one space out the front of my gaffe despite there being more than enough room for two cars.

16-05-2019 8:55pm

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Dishing the curb requires planning permission and it's not always granted. They won't grant permission for one of my neighbours despite him having a drive. I'm limited (by planning) to one space out the front of my gaffe despite there being more than enough room for two cars.

But is it not possible to widen without dishing the kerb?

1st car in parks off to the side on a widened patch of concrete.
2nd car in then parks behind / alongside the 1st car on the driveway itself.

4ensic15 · 16-05-2019 9:55pm

salonfire wrote: »

But is it not possible to widen without dishing the kerb?

1st car in parks off to the side on a widened patch of concrete.
2nd car in then parks behind / alongside the 1st car on the driveway itself.

How do you get the 1st car out?

16-05-2019 10:02pm

4ensic15 wrote: »

How do you get the 1st car out?

By taking the 2nd car out first. A two year old could have told you that. You did not need to ask the Internet.

4ensic15 · 16-05-2019 10:14pm

salonfire wrote: »

By taking the 2nd car out first. A two year old could have told you that. You did not need to ask the Internet.

What sort of codology is that? Every time the driver of the 2nd car wants to drive it they have to bring the driver of the 1st car out to move out of the way and then back in or else drive out the 1st car, then drive out the 2nd car, then put back the 1st car.
What a load of cobblers.

Cows Go µ · 16-05-2019 10:27pm

4ensic15 wrote: »

What sort of codology is that? Every time the driver of the 2nd car wants to drive it they have to bring the driver of the 1st car out to move out of the way and then back in or else drive out the 1st car, then drive out the 2nd car, then put back the 1st car.
What a load of cobblers.

Loads of drives are designed like that, it's hardly a new concept.

4ensic15 · 16-05-2019 10:28pm

Cows Go µ wrote: »

Loads of drives are designed like that, it's hardly a new concept.

It is hardly a deliberate design. Nothing could be more stupid.

Cows Go µ · 16-05-2019 10:47pm

4ensic15 wrote: »

It is hardly a deliberate design. Nothing could be more stupid.

Eh, yeah. I've seen that exact layout. My friend's house has it.

Plus, my house when I was growing up had a long narrow drive so that you had to park one blocking in the other, as did all of the houses in the estate. My parents current house can fit 3 cars and to fit the 3, one has to block in another

17-05-2019 12:18am

salonfire wrote: »

Why can you not park in your own property? Widen the driveway or concrete over the lawn if needs be to create extra parking

He is perfectly entitled to park on the street though so why shouldn’t he if it suits?

The debate over offstreet parking is another story, why a front garden and single parking space are put in any house rather than two parking spaces is beyond me. These small Front gardens are a waste of time completely, good for nothing so I’ve no idea why they are put in rather than two parking spaces.

4ensic15 · 17-05-2019 7:09am

Cows Go µ wrote: »

Eh, yeah. I've seen that exact layout. My friend's house has it.

Plus, my house when I was growing up had a long narrow drive so that you had to park one blocking in the other, as did all of the houses in the estate. My parents current house can fit 3 cars and to fit the 3, one has to block in another

Most likley it was designed for parking 1 car. 50 years ago, multi car households were not common.

Gumbo · 17-05-2019 8:00am

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Dishing the curb requires planning permission and it's not always granted. They won't grant permission for one of my neighbours despite him having a drive. I'm limited (by planning) to one space out the front of my gaffe despite there being more than enough room for two cars.

salonfire wrote: »

But is it not possible to widen without dishing the kerb?

1st car in parks off to the side on a widened patch of concrete.
2nd car in then parks behind / alongside the 1st car on the driveway itself.

Dishing the curb does not require planning.

It’s the alteration to the front boundary wall that requires planning. The creation or widening of an existing vehicular entrance is what you need planning for.

Once planning is granted then the roads department will dish the curb for a cost.

Gumbo · 17-05-2019 8:02am

4ensic15 wrote: »

It is hardly a deliberate design. Nothing could be more stupid.

Some new dwellings are required to have space for 2 cars in the garden while still only allowing you to have a max opening in the wall of 3.6m.

This will involve shuffling of cars to get them out in the future but it’s what the planning authority want.

donspeekinglesh · 17-05-2019 9:42am

kceire wrote: »

Some new dwellings are required to have space for 2 cars in the garden while still only allowing you to have a max opening in the wall of 3.6m.

This will involve shuffling of cars to get them out in the future but it’s what the planning authority want.

It does depend on the shape and size of the front garden though - we have no problem getting both cars in and out without shuffling, and we haven't modified the wall opening.

Samuel T. Cogley · 17-05-2019 11:27am

kceire wrote: »

Dishing the curb does not require planning.

It’s the alteration to the front boundary wall that requires planning. The creation or widening of an existing vehicular entrance is what you need planning for.

Once planning is granted then the roads department will dish the curb for a cost.

Thanks for the correction but any ideas why I'm limited to one car in my drive which will take two? This is specifically on the planning.

Gumbo · 17-05-2019 11:33am

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Thanks for the correction but any ideas why I'm limited to one car in my drive which will take two? This is specifically on the planning.

What kind of house is it?
Is it new build in a corner garden?

One reason could also be the drainage plan for the area. The designers may has used the hard standing for permeable paving and allowed the soft landscaping to take rain water away and not be discharged into the public system.

Samuel T. Cogley · 17-05-2019 11:36am

Thanks Kceire - I knew it had to be something and not just arbitrary.

4ensic15 · 17-05-2019 8:11pm

Samuel T. Cogley wrote: »

Thanks for the correction but any ideas why I'm limited to one car in my drive which will take two? This is specifically on the planning.

Most likely you are limited to 1 hard parking place. You can have a gravel or pebble parking space.

Gumbo · 17-05-2019 10:38pm

4ensic15 wrote: »

Most likely you are limited to 1 hard parking place. You can have a gravel or pebble parking space.

This could be a good work around. Loose pebble still allows surface water soakage etc

CollyFlower · 18-05-2019 12:50am

Makes more sense to have parking for two cars in the front of the house instead of a garden. No need for a front garden.

4ensic15 · 18-05-2019 9:09am

CollyFlower wrote: »

Makes more sense to have parking for two cars in the front of the house instead of a garden. No need for a front garden.

There is, if it is a water run off.

Gumbo · 18-05-2019 10:05am

CollyFlower wrote: »

Makes more sense to have parking for two cars in the front of the house instead of a garden. No need for a front garden.

I hate this set up. Typical townhouse set up.
Rows of cars parked side by side.

You can’t clean out your car Incase the neighbor comes home and needs his spot.

starbaby2003 · 18-05-2019 10:07am

People always park outside our house. Sometimes on the grass ( this enrages me but that’s neither here nor there). To reiterate what a previous poster said, the problem is visibility and the amount of manoeuvres needed to get in out. It’s a mix of strangers / neighbours who park outside our house. I’ve never said anything but when it takes five minutes to just get out of your drive sometimes ( people park on the cul de sac directly across from the house too ) I am seething inside. Most of my neighbours just park on the road to avoid this which exasperates the situation. I’d just park somewhere else not worth the hassle.

zell12 · 18-05-2019 10:19am

starbaby2003 wrote: »

People always park outside our house. Sometimes on the grass ( this enrages me but that’s neither here nor there). ...

36.2.(i) A vehicle shall not be parked on a footway, a grass margin or a median strip

starbaby2003 · 18-05-2019 10:31am

zell12 wrote: »

36.2.(i) A vehicle shall not be parked on a footway, a grass margin or a median strip

Really I never knew this ! Thank you. We have had to replant the strip twice in five years. Very annoying.

18-05-2019 10:49am

zell12 wrote: »

36.2.(i) A vehicle shall not be parked on a footway, a grass margin or a median strip

In many estates only the ignorant won’t park with two wheels on the footpath as if you don’t then a car can’t park opposite due to the road being too narrow and thus reducing the number of parking spaces. I know in an estate I spent some time in one person annoyed all the neighbors as he would never park on the footpath thus meaning there were times a perfectly good parking space opposite him couldn’t be used and someone would have to park at the other end of the estate.

Caranica · 18-05-2019 11:05am

Parking on the footpath endangers children and causes huge problems for people in wheelchairs or invalid vehicles as well as for people with prams and buggies. There's a very good reason it's illegal and I applaud that man! Not every road is meant to have parking on both sides of the road.

OP, nobody is entitled to a reserved space on a public road. Your neighbour might not like that but that's her problem.

starbaby2003 · 18-05-2019 11:10am

Caranica wrote: »

Parking on the footpath endangers children and causes huge problems for people in wheelchairs or invalid vehicles as well as for people with prams and buggies. There's a very good reason it's illegal and I applaud that man! Not every road is meant to have parking on both sides of the road.
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Exactly this, I am often pushed out on to the road for someone else’s ( who doesn’t live in the estate) convenience.

amcalester · 18-05-2019 11:16am

Pedro Ugly Self-reliance wrote: »

In many estates only the ignorant won’t park with two wheels on the footpath as if you don’t then a car can’t park opposite due to the road being too narrow and thus reducing the number of parking spaces. I know in an estate I spent some time in one person annoyed all the neighbors as he would never park on the footpath thus meaning there were times a perfectly good parking space opposite him couldn’t be used and someone would have to park at the other end of the estate.

Actually he is the only one who isn’t ignorant.

Cyrus · 18-05-2019 11:18am

Pedro Ugly Self-reliance wrote: »

In many estates only the ignorant won’t park with two wheels on the footpath as if you don’t then a car can’t park opposite due to the road being too narrow and thus reducing the number of parking spaces. I know in an estate I spent some time in one person annoyed all the neighbors as he would never park on the footpath thus meaning there were times a perfectly good parking space opposite him couldn’t be used and someone would have to park at the other end of the estate.

Parking on a footpath is a far bigger issue than inconveniencing someone who wants to park slightly

18-05-2019 11:47am

Caranica wrote: »

Parking on the footpath endangers children and causes huge problems for people in wheelchairs or invalid vehicles as well as for people with prams and buggies. There's a very good reason it's illegal and I applaud that man! Not every road is meant to have parking on both sides of the road.

OP, nobody is entitled to a reserved space on a public road. Your neighbour might not like that but that's her problem.

Everyone else in the estate parks on the footpath and nobody cares (incl the people with kids).. Kids spend their time playing in the road anyway so the footpaths being parked on makes zero difference as even if they weren’t parked on no one would use them.

If everyone acted like that person (and some here) there would be a severe lack of parking in the estate there is no where else close by for people to park so I’m not sure what you expect people to do. A car can’t pass if two cars park opposite each other without one on the path while a bin truck can pass if one car parks tight to the wall up in the path.

It was poorly designed the road wasn’t made wide enough for no reason as there is a big green area on the other side that would not suffer at all from an extra yard taken out of it (the kerb is really high so only people with 4x4s are able to park with two wheels on the grass and many with 4x4s do this).

This sort of crap is another in the long list of reasons why I could never live in an estate for very long and am building my own rural house with lots of private space and none of this rubbish dealing with parking and neighbors on top of you.

amcalester · 18-05-2019 11:49am

Pedro Ugly Self-reliance wrote: »

Everyone else in the estate parks on the footpath and nobody cares. Kids spend their time playing in the road anyway so the footpaths being parked on makes zero difference as even if they weren’t parked on no one would use them.

If everyone acted like that person there would be a severe lack of parking in the estate there is no where else close by for people to park so I’m not sure what you expect people to do. A car can’t pass if two cars park opposite each other without one on the path while a bin truck can pass if one car parks tight to the wall up in the path.

It was poorly designed the road wasn’t made wide enough for no reason as there is a big green area on the other side that would not suffer at all from an extra yard taken out of it (the kerb is really high so only people with 4x4s are able to park with two wheels on the grass and may with 4x4s do this.

If one person parks properly and legally and another person parks directly opposite and blocks the road, it is the second person who is the ignorant asshat. Not the person parked legally.

18-05-2019 11:53am

amcalester wrote: »

If one person parks properly and legally and another person parks directly opposite and blocks the road, it is the second person who is the ignorant asshat. Not the person parked legally.

There is an unspoken agreement in the estate that to allow everyone find space you park on the path, anyone who doesn’t is seen as ignorant and I fully agree with this.

There is nowhere outside the estate to park so if the estate if full by people not parking fairly (I.e. on the path) the there is nowhere for people to park.

I only visit this estate occasionally now and the car numbers are increasing with anyone with a 4x4 now having to park up with wheels on the green in narrower parts etc so cars have the road or path. it’s pure ignorance not to try to park in a path of possible.

amcalester · 18-05-2019 12:02pm

Pedro Ugly Self-reliance wrote: »

There is an unspoken agreement in the estate that to allow everyone find space you park on the path, anyone who doesn’t is seen as ignorant and I fully agree with this.

There is nowhere outside the estate to park so if the estate if full by people not parking fairly (I.e. on the path) the there is nowhere for people to park.

I only visit this estate occasionally now and the car numbers are increasing with anyone with a 4x4 now having to park up with wheels on the green in narrower parts etc so cars have the road or path. it’s pure ignorance not to try to park in a path of possible.

Parking fully or partially on a path is ignorant, simple as.

Like I said above people get a bit funny about parking, some think they’re entitled to the space outside their house and others think they can park on footpaths.

Neither is right and both are ignorant.

AndrewJRenko · 18-05-2019 12:39pm

Pedro Ugly Self-reliance wrote: »

Everyone else in the estate parks on the footpath and nobody cares (incl the people with kids).. Kids spend their time playing in the road anyway so the footpaths being parked on makes zero difference as even if they weren’t parked on no one would use them.

If everyone acted like that person (and some here) there would be a severe lack of parking in the estate there is no where else close by for people to park so I’m not sure what you expect people to do. A car can’t pass if two cars park opposite each other without one on the path while a bin truck can pass if one car parks tight to the wall up in the path.

Why would you expect public space to be given over to storage of private property?

Cyrus · 18-05-2019 12:43pm

Pedro Ugly Self-reliance wrote: »

There is an unspoken agreement in the estate that to allow everyone find space you park on the path, anyone who doesn’t is seen as ignorant and I fully agree with this.

There is nowhere outside the estate to park so if the estate if full by people not parking fairly (I.e. on the path) the there is nowhere for people to park.

I only visit this estate occasionally now and the car numbers are increasing with anyone with a 4x4 now having to park up with wheels on the green in narrower parts etc so cars have the road or path. it’s pure ignorance not to try to park in a path of possible.

So you think pushing someone with a buggy onto the road is a good idea ?

How many cars can each house park in their drive ?

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