Asylum Seekers Getting Apartments in Ballinamore - mod warning in OP (18/10)

enricoh · 18-10-2019 9:25am

Nekarsulm wrote: »

I'm curious, have you guys who are so opposed to the plan ever visited or stayed in Ballinamore?
Woodsie?
Jay0,?
Cinema guy?

I had grub last Sunday in some spot there on the main st. Cant remember the name but they sponsor the local team.
Dunno how it has any relevance but there you go.
Heres a link to a petition people from carrickmacross set up which has been blessed with a direct provision centre. Read some of the comments.
https://www.change.org/p/councilors-is-carrickmacross-becoming-a-lawless-town

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Boggles · 18-10-2019 9:31am

enricoh wrote: »

I had grub last Sunday in some spot there on the main st. Cant remember the name but they sponsor the local team.
Dunno how it has any relevance but there you go.
Heres a link to a petition people from carrickmacross set up which has been blessed with a direct provision centre. Read some of the comments.
https://www.change.org/p/councilors-is-carrickmacross-becoming-a-lawless-town

I don't see any comments.

But a "lawless" town. How and why is it lawless?

Who started the petition?

18-10-2019 9:34am

What is wrong with the people in catrickmacross?
Why exactly do they feel intimidated?

LuasSimon · 18-10-2019 10:10am

Boggles wrote: »

Is there an empty 20 apartment block of 3 of 4 bedrooms in greater Dublin ready to house them?

No but everybody in Dublin seems to be awful concerned about refugees but quick to want to house them anywhere bar Dublin !

Thelonious Monk · 18-10-2019 10:11am

LuasSimon wrote: »

No but everybody in Dublin seems to be awful concerned about refugees but quick to want to house them anywhere bar Dublin !

I'm from Dublin and wouldn't have a problem with refugees in my area. We already have people from all over there anyway.

alastair · 18-10-2019 10:11am

Diceicle wrote: »

Bless your innocence.
Yes, their application is refused as is their second one, and third all the way up the court system. Then their kids application is refused and so on.
Eventually, when a full determination on their case is made, and the solicitors have banked a load of cash, and the FG/FF insiders running the DP centre has made some money, the Dept of Justice will issue a notice of removal. Less than 20% of those removals are enacted. We don't know who simply choose to ignore it and stay.

There’s no asylum seekers staying here post deportation order. They’ve no means of income, no accommodation, they’re known to the authorities, have no work permit, and in competition with a rake of legit and semi-legit immigrant workers for any work. They leave the country - primarily without any need for the enforcement of the deportation order.

alastair · 18-10-2019 10:16am

LuasSimon wrote: »

No but everybody in Dublin seems to be awful concerned about refugees but quick to want to house them anywhere bar Dublin !

Plenty of refugees living in Dublin. But the Government (primarily decision-makers from outside Dublin) policy is to spread the numbers nationally - partially for accommodation cost reasons, partially to discourage casual claims.

hurler32 · 18-10-2019 10:17am

LuasSimon wrote: »

No but everybody in Dublin seems to be awful concerned about refugees but quick to want to house them anywhere bar Dublin !

It’s a bit like travellers , Fine Gael love travellers and refugees but don’t want them in their heartlands of South Dublin
Classic do as I speak not as I Do out of Fine Gael the Dublin party .

Boggles · 18-10-2019 10:20am

LuasSimon wrote: »

No but everybody in Dublin seems to be awful concerned about refugees but quick to want to house them anywhere bar Dublin !

You just admitted they is no suitable accommodation for these asylum seekers in Greater Dublin.

What is exactly confusing you?

hurler32 · 18-10-2019 10:21am

alastair wrote: »

Plenty of refugees living in Dublin. But the Government (primarily decision-makers from outside Dublin) policy is to spread the numbers nationally - partially for accommodation cost reasons, partially to discourage casual claims.

Leo Varadkar , pascal Donohoe , Simon Harris all of the top hitters in Fine Gael based in Dublin who have zero time for rural Ireland .

Boggles · 18-10-2019 10:22am

hurler32 wrote: »

Leo Varadkar , pascal Donohoe , Simon Harris all of the top hitters in Fine Gael based in Dublin who have zero time for rural Ireland .

Harris lives in Wicklow.

alastair · 18-10-2019 10:24am

hurler32 wrote: »

Leo Varadkar , pascal Donohoe , Simon Harris all of the top hitters in Fine Gael based in Dublin who have zero time for rural Ireland .

Charlie Flanagan is the minister with responsibility for direct provision.

Thelonious Monk · 18-10-2019 10:26am

hurler32 wrote: »

Leo Varadkar , pascal Donohoe , Simon Harris all of the top hitters in Fine Gael based in Dublin who have zero time for rural Ireland .

That's why half a billion euros was announced to be spent on motorways in the middle of nowhere that no one really needs during the week.

jay0109 · 18-10-2019 10:27am

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

That's why half a billion euros was announced to be spent on motorways in the middle of nowhere that no one really needs during the week.

They do have an interest in rural votes!

Thelonious Monk · 18-10-2019 10:28am

jay0109 wrote: »

They do have an interest in rural votes!

5 billion broadband plan. Massive subsidies for farmers. How exactly are rural Ireland ignored?

atticu · 18-10-2019 10:28am

Boggles wrote: »

Not at all.

Local Housing authorities routinely allow homeless people switch and there may also be swaps because of various reasons.

Now you may have a bit of trouble if the local authority is absolutely overwhelmed, then they might enforce the rules regarding links in the area.

But homelessness would be eradicated within 12 months if the numbers could be dispersed throughout the island.

Obviously that will never happen.

atticu wrote: »

First, why will it never happen?

And do you have any proof that homelessness can be eradicated?

Any chance you can answer these questions?

Or are we just supposed to believe you?

jay0109 · 18-10-2019 10:29am

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

5 billion broadband plan. Massive subsidies for farmers. How exactly are rural Ireland ignored?

Never said they were

Boggles · 18-10-2019 10:36am

atticu wrote: »

Any chance you can answer these questions?

Or are we just supposed to believe you?

What is exactly confusing about the post?

It's pretty clear TBH.

hurler32 · 18-10-2019 10:41am

Boggles wrote: »

Harris lives in Wicklow.

Which is as good as Dublin where he’s based in top of north Wicklow , their not sure are they South Dublin or West brits up that end of Wicklow .

atticu · 18-10-2019 10:46am

Boggles wrote: »

What is exactly confusing about the post?

It's pretty clear TBH.

It is not clear at all.

If you don’t want to answer the questions, just be honest and admit that you can’t back up or explain your opinions.

I will leave you to it.

enricoh · 18-10-2019 10:47am

Boggles wrote: »

I don't see any comments.

But a "lawless" town. How and why is it lawless?

Who started the petition?

That petition has been replaced by a new one, objecting to another! direct provision centre opening up in carrickmacross , this time the old oasis. Jesus wept.
A female teacher in the town started it

hurler32 · 18-10-2019 10:48am

Thelonious Monk wrote: »

5 billion broadband plan. Massive subsidies for farmers. How exactly are rural Ireland ignored?

The broadband is for the whole country and your are right it’s madness but some Fine Gael related types are probably making a packet out of it .
Re farming , most average farmers get basically dole type amounts to keep going . The Super dairy oligarch types who are Fine Gael to be fair get immoral payments but they are no more than half a dozen farmers in any parish .
The big issue in rural Ireland which Fine Gael ignores is no jobs been created , crap public transport , closure of banks etc and the big one no garda stations allowing traveller gangs to rob and terrorize rural Ireland . All that’s heard on RTÉ is Dublin , Dublin , luas , Dart , Dublin Dublin .
Fine Gael might clean up in elections in Dublin but will do poorly in Rural Ireland .

18-10-2019 10:52am

Many of rural irelands problems with service closure and crap public transport are entirely of its own making, build a one off two miles from town....then complain about crap public transport. But thats probably off topic for this thread.

Boggles · 18-10-2019 10:53am

atticu wrote: »

It is not clear at all.

If you don’t want to answer the questions, just be honest and admit that you can’t back up or explain your opinions.

I will leave you to it.

You mean it is not clear to you.

Very simple, there is plenty homes in Ireland that are vacant.

20 3-4 bedroom apartments in a block in Leitrim for instance.

This is replicated all over the island.

Vastly more than enough to accommodate multiples of the amount homeless.

Obviously when I say homeless, I don't mean people with chronic substance abuse problems, etc.

You asked why it won't be done, the main reason being the majority of people on housing lists in Dublin will not move to Donegal, Leitrim or Kerry, nor should they be expected to.

Any clearer?

Boggles · 18-10-2019 10:55am

enricoh wrote: »

That petition has been replaced by a new one, objecting to another! direct provision centre opening up in carrickmacross , this time the old oasis. Jesus wept.
A female teacher in the town started it

I didn't ask you about the new one.

I asked you about the one you linked to.

How is the town "lawless".

That is a absolute huge claim and the least you can do if you are promoting the petition is to offer some sort of evidence of the claim.

Also if you could answer who started it?

enricoh · 18-10-2019 11:16am

Boggles wrote: »

I didn't ask you about the new one.

I asked you about the one you linked to.

How is the town "lawless".

That is a absolute huge claim and the least you can do if you are promoting the petition is to offer some sort of evidence of the claim.

Also if you could answer who started it?

Ha, i didnt know there was a new one.
There was comments, they must have a time limit i dunno
Residents in carrickmacross especially women are sick of scum from a dp centre hanging around the streets intimidating them, so the set up a petition to try get action from councillors, gardai etc.
What happens- they are to get another dp centre! Not to replace the one they have but a brand spanking new one. Lovely!

Boggles · 18-10-2019 11:20am

enricoh wrote: »

Ha, i didnt know there was a new one.
There was comments, they must have a time limit i dunno
Residents in carrickmacross especially women are sick of scum from a dp centre hanging around the streets intimidating them, so the set up a petition to try get action from councillors, gardai etc.
What happens- they are to get another dp centre! Not to replace the one they have but a brand spanking new one. Lovely!

Does it not say specifically who set up the petition?

Also hearsay and loose talk is great and all. But have you any actual tangible evidence that suggests the town is now "lawless"?

It's a pretty serious claim TBF. If people are going to put their name to such a thing then surely they wouldn't without evidence.

I assume you can sign the petition anonymously?

atticu · 18-10-2019 11:48am

Boggles wrote: »

You mean it is not clear to you.

Very simple, there is plenty homes in Ireland that are vacant.

20 3-4 bedroom apartments in a block in Leitrim for instance.

This is replicated all over the island.

Vastly more than enough to accommodate multiples of the amount homeless.

Obviously when I say homeless, I don't mean people with chronic substance abuse problems, etc.

You asked why it won't be done, the main reason being the majority of people on housing lists in Dublin will not move to Donegal, Leitrim or Kerry, nor should they be expected to.

Any clearer?

That is a absolute huge claim and the least you can do if you are promoting this, is to offer some sort of evidence of your claim.

Also hearsay and loose talk is great and all. But have you any actual tangible evidence that suggests that what you claim is true, I would love a link to it.

Have you informed the government and the homeless charities about your ‘solution to homelessness’?

Boggles · 18-10-2019 12:55pm

atticu wrote: »

That is a absolute huge claim and the least you can do if you are promoting this, is to offer some sort of evidence of your claim.

https://statbank.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/Statire/SelectVarVal/Define.asp?maintable=EP009&PLanguage=0

Knock yourself out.

atticu wrote: »

Have you informed the government and the homeless charities about your ‘solution to homelessness’?

They all ready know.

https://pmvtrust.ie/housing/empty-homes/

Your welcome.

atticu · 18-10-2019 1:04pm

Boggles wrote: »

https://statbank.cso.ie/px/pxeirestat/Statire/SelectVarVal/Define.asp?maintable=EP009&PLanguage=0

Knock yourself out.

They all ready know.

https://pmvtrust.ie/housing/empty-homes/

Your welcome.

For a moment I thought you had tried to back up your opinion, but no, just a link to the Central Statistics Office and a charity.

So, an unfounded and unsubstantiated opinion is all.

Boggles · 18-10-2019 1:12pm

atticu wrote: »

For a moment I thought you had tried to back up your opinion, but no, just a link to the Central Statistics Office and a charity.

So, an unfounded and unsubstantiated opinion is all.

Honestly short of getting the crayons out I have no idea how I can explain it to you further, you asked me to clarify my clear and concise post which I did, you asked to back up my opinion with evidence, I did.

So I'd appreciate if you just stop replying to me, ta.

jay0109 · 18-10-2019 1:40pm

Boggles wrote: »

Honestly short of getting the crayons out I have no idea how I can explain it to you further, you asked me to clarify my clear and concise post which I did, you asked to back up my opinion with evidence, I did.

And to your amazing 'evidence' , I say this....
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/number-of-vacant-homes-may-be-grossly-overstated-1.3220063

Number of vacant homes ‘may be grossly overstated’
Dublin study indicates that census data on unoccupied houses and apartments is inaccurate....
....Its study, which involved council officials visiting houses listed as vacant, found that only a very small number of houses in the north county Dublin authority area (perhaps only 50 or 60) were genuinely unoccupied, compared with the 3,000 figure stated for Fingal in the official census returns.
The study involved physically checking out 76 “empty” homes to discover that 63 of them were in fact fully occupied.

2/10...must try much harder

Chinasea · 18-10-2019 1:44pm

enricoh wrote: »

So asylum spoofers are as 'valuable' to a town as people in high paying jobs in apple or some other mnc?!
Ive heard it all now!

So the hundreds of Apple workers might never have needed a local doctor, nor their children schooling.

Pull the one /excuses "oh ye concerned locals" i.e racists...

jmayo · 18-10-2019 1:48pm

Topgear on Dave wrote: »

Many of rural irelands problems with service closure and crap public transport are entirely of its own making, build a one off two miles from town....then complain about crap public transport. But thats probably off topic for this thread.

There is this myth out there that if you didn't have the one off rural houses everything would be great and if we all lived centralised in towns and even villages shure it would be great and we wouldn't need cars and the local services would stay open.

Except that is bullcr**.

Garda stations and banks have been closed in villages and smaller towns.
Nothing at all to do with one off rural housing.

There is fook all public transport between most villages, smaller towns and even bigger towns.
It is not so bad if you are along major link between major towns, but cr** otherwise.
And moving all the one off houses, all those living on surrounding farms into village will not change it.

But of course that doesn't play into the hobby horse some get onto about one off rural housing.:rolleyes:

For instance how many bus routes go through Ballinamore and how often are there buses on those routes ?

Eric Cartman · 18-10-2019 1:53pm

Chinasea wrote: »

The same moaners/racists "concerned locals" were rolling out red carpets for the hundreds of people that would have arrived to take up residence in the West should Apple have set up their base.

A company bringing skilled employment and thus skilled employees to better a town is vastly different to uneducated migrants with little money and no right to work.

But you know that ofcourse, you’d rather just believe everyone in every rural village is a racist....

atticu · 18-10-2019 1:54pm

Boggles wrote: »

Honestly short of getting the crayons out I have no idea how I can explain it to you further, you asked me to clarify my clear and concise post which I did, you asked to back up my opinion with evidence, I did.

So I'd appreciate if you just stop replying to me, ta.

You did not provide any evidence to backup your opinion.
Your posts are not clear and concise, they are just your unsubstantiated opinion.
Please don’t try and pass your opinion off as fact.

As for not replying to you - unsubstantiated opinions can be challenged on a discussion forum, you do this often.

Boggles · 18-10-2019 1:58pm

jay0109 wrote: »

And to your amazing 'evidence' , I say this....
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/politics/number-of-vacant-homes-may-be-grossly-overstated-1.3220063

Brilliant are you trying to say there isn't a large amount of vacant premises in the state?

There is more than enough local authority houses to house homeless.

More than 3,600 local authority homes vacant at end of 2017

jmayo · 18-10-2019 2:01pm

Chinasea wrote: »

enricoh wrote: »

So asylum spoofers are as 'valuable' to a town as people in high paying jobs in apple or some other mnc?!
Ive heard it all now!

So the hundreds of Apple workers might never have needed a local doctor, nor their children schooling.

Pull the one /excuses "oh ye concerned locals" i.e racists...

Jaysus fook.

Does it really have to be spelt out to you about the possible economic benefits to the local area of someone with a well paying job/careers settling in the area as opposed to someone who is welfare dependent settling in the area ?
Do you really have to have that explained to you ?

One group brings in disposable income whilst the other group have a meagre disposable income to spend.

Now I bet someone will argue the ones with the bigger income can and will travel outside local area to spend whereas the others can't travel to spend what few quid they may have.

But you need to look at bigger picture.
When the worker does spend there is greater chance they will spend more simply because they have more.

And which one is more likely to stay, out down links in the community ?
The one with job nearby or the one with no job and no historic links to keep them in the community ?

Lackey · 18-10-2019 2:45pm

Anyone can look at Sinn Fein Carrickmacross Castleblaney Electoral area Facebook page
There are a couple of statements by Sinn Fein
Then the comments underneath are from locals discussing the issues.
No doubt I’ll be quoted and told it’s just all ‘racists moaning and unsubstantiated claims’ etc etc

People on the whole are good, they’re not racists and have no problem in helping people out who need it.

But start shouting down regular down the middle of the road people racists for asking a few questions
Throw in cover ups of issues
And you get Trump and Brexit
I called both of them here years ago and I can see more of the same.

The far left and right are two cheeks of the same arse
the far left are just as responsible for people hardening their stances, as the far right are capitalising on the situation

18-10-2019 2:55pm

jmayo wrote: »

For instance how many bus routes go through Ballinamore and how often are there buses on those routes ?

Daily buses to dromod, Carrick on Shannon & cavan.
Ulster bus also goes through the town, can't remember how often.
Theres a bus to enniskillen also

alastair · 18-10-2019 3:03pm

bubblypop wrote: »

Theres a bus to enniskillen also

Strictly speaking, asylum seekers in Ireland can’t travel into N.I. without a UK visa.

jay0109 · 18-10-2019 3:27pm

Boggles wrote: »

Brilliant are you trying to say there isn't a large amount of vacant premises in the state?

There is more than enough local authority houses to house homeless.

More than 3,600 local authority homes vacant at end of 2017

I'm saying that a lot of people don't fill out census forms. Do you think there are several thousand holiday houses in Fingal!
And are you saying that empty holiday houses should be used for asylum seekers?

3,600 vacant social houses....spread all over the country, many 1-offs, a lot in need of repair. A social housing waiting list with the best part of 100k people on it.
I'm not sure what your trying to say here except perhaps deflect from the point that you tried to make about vacant housing which turned out to be hopelessly wrong and inaccurate.

Boggles · 18-10-2019 3:33pm

jay0109 wrote: »

And are you saying that empty holiday houses should be used for asylum seekers?

3,600 vacant social houses....spread all over the country, many 1-offs, a lot in .

Yeah, you need to go back and read my posts.

Good lad.

atticu · 18-10-2019 3:55pm

Boggles wrote: »

Yeah, you need to go back and read my posts.

We have read your posts.
They just contain your unsubstantiated opinions.

We have challenged your opinions and you have not been able to back them up with any substantial proof.

jay0109 · 18-10-2019 4:04pm

Boggles wrote: »

Yeah, you need to go back and read my posts.

Good lad.

Your points have proven time and time again to be big on hugs and kisses and short on facts.
It would be great if Ireland could run on feel good and aspirations but it can't and it doesn't.

There is no glut of vacant houses in the State unless your advocating seizing private property currently used as holiday homes.
The census figures are not always accurate- lots of people don't fill out the forms...I wonder why that is the case in a lot of circumstances :rolleyes:
We need a Ballinamore every week to keep up with the current numbers of asylum seekers. It doesn't bother you that the majority are coming from non war zones such as Georgia or Albania and that the rejection rates are huge (deportation rates less so!). Just keep letting them come in, in the hope you can change Ireland forever into some form/shape you'd like to see it in.

No point debating issues with people such as yourself. Playing handball off a hay stack.
Adieu

Boggles · 18-10-2019 4:14pm

jay0109 wrote: »

Your points have proven time and time again to be big on hugs and kisses and short on facts.
It would be great if Ireland could run on feel good and aspirations but it can't and it doesn't.

There is no glut of vacant houses in the State unless your advocating seizing private property currently used as holiday homes.
The census figures are not always accurate- lots of people don't fill out the forms...I wonder why that is the case in a lot of circumstances :rolleyes:
We need a Ballinamore every week to keep up with the current numbers of asylum seekers. It doesn't bother you that the majority are coming from non war zones such as Georgia or Albania and that the rejection rates are huge (deportation rates less so!). Just keep letting them come in, in the hope you can change Ireland forever into some form/shape you'd like to see it in.

No point debating issues with people such as yourself. Playing handball off a hay stack.
Adieu

So you didn't read my posts you just decided you were going to go rage typing and that's that.

Fair play to you.

Adieu indeed.

jmayo · 18-10-2019 6:41pm

bubblypop wrote: »

Daily buses to dromod, Carrick on Shannon & cavan.
Ulster bus also goes through the town, can't remember how often.
Theres a bus to enniskillen also

Ehh I know there are daily buses with routes from/to likes of Sligo/Enniskillen.
But how often?
One bus a day is shag all use to someone without car and without relatives/friends with car.

And also dear god what the feck use is a bus to Dromod.
Unless you have a boat waiting at the marina for you or something. :rolleyes:

enricoh · 18-10-2019 7:16pm

Heres a fine doctor or engineer from todays indo.
Arrived 19 years ago from that wartorn hellhole moldova n claimed asylum. Has worked for 1 year since!
Resides in clonsilla courtesy of the taxpayer n is separated from missus n 4 kids. Another house required from taxpayer there no doubt.
In court looking for a handy compo payout.
What has this parasite cost the country so far?!

https://m.independent.ie/irish-news/courts/man-denies-his-accident-claim-for-collision-is-a-massive-fraud-38606113.html

18-10-2019 7:35pm

jmayo wrote: »

Ehh I know there are daily buses with routes from/to likes of Sligo/Enniskillen.
But how often?
One bus a day is shag all use to someone without car and without relatives/friends with car.

And also dear god what the feck use is a bus to Dromod.
Unless you have a boat waiting at the marina for you or something. :rolleyes:

There's more than one a day, can't remember how many.
Dromod has a train station, it's in the main Dublin to sligo line.

Asylum Seekers Getting Apartments in Ballinamore - mod warning in OP (18/10)

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