Turkish forces have started bombing and attacking Kurdish people in Syria

Elmer Blooker · 15-10-2019 10:28am

crashadder wrote: »

accusing Turkey over ISIS is quite shallow too. between 2014 and 2017, 304 ppl killed in Turkey due to ISIS terror attacks. Turkey fought against ISIS in the previous cross border campaign and lost 74 soldiers .

How did European jihadist terrorists (aka 'moderates') make their way to Syria?
How did so many impressionable under age girls unaccompanied by an adult manage to arrive in Turkey and make their way to Syria with no questions asked?

Odhinn · 15-10-2019 10:38am

crashadder wrote: »

I dont really see the correlation here. Its not only Kurds. Erdogan himself did time in jail for reading a poem in a public address. How about that ? https://amara.org/en/videos/ShIyp0uVT9AC/info/tayyip-erdogan-poem-that-landed-him-in-jail/

There are laws against the use of Kurdish in public life.....

FTA69 · 15-10-2019 11:05am

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

How did European jihadist terrorists (aka 'moderates') make their way to Syria?
How did so many impressionable under age girls unaccompanied by an adult manage to arrive in Turkey and make their way to Syria with no questions asked?

Who was buying ISIS’s oil?

jmayo · 15-10-2019 11:20am

Ah jaysus lads will you stop asking those inconvenient difficult questions of our Turkish Erdogan supporting folks.

They mentioned that they fought against ISIS, but they don't mention how difficult it was for the US to get permission to use their bases in Turkey for the air sorties.

ISIS were involved in attacks on Turkey in 2013 and 2014, but it wasn't until July 2015 before Turkey really got involved in fighting ISIS.
Up until then they had once attacked ISIS in Jan 2014.

And it was only in July 2015 that the Turks allowed the US use it's airbases in Turkey for attacks on ISIS.

Why did it take them so long to get in on the action ?
Was it because that oil flowing over the border was too good to turn down ?

And it is also quite astonishing how many foreigners, especially the likes of young Brits and the odd Irish person, were able to make it over the border from Turkey into ISIL.

K.Flyer · 15-10-2019 2:14pm

It's interesting to see how Erdogan (an Islamist) is slowly turning Turkey away from Ataturk's secular republic and move it towards an islamic state, more like Morsi's idea for Egypt.

Wasn't Erdogan's son accused of being involved in the shady ISIS oil movements into Turkey?

Maybe deep down Erdogan is an ISIS sympathiser, hence the ease of passage thru Turkey for the jihadis. Maybe it was only when things started to really heat up and the pressures were put on him he realised further non-cooperation would completely ruin any chances of e.u. membership so he allowed use of the bases.
His current actions may have set back any chances of that.

Ironically enough, the conflict between Turkey and the Kurds started because the Kurds did not want to recognise Ataturk's changes to the country and wanted to retain their old Islamic ways in their own area.
Ataturk was furious with them for not capitulating so went on a massacre rampage killing thousands of them

crashadder · 15-10-2019 2:25pm

Odhinn wrote: »

There are laws against the use of Kurdish in public life.....

yeah take half-truths and spin spin spin!!
This is blatantly incorrect .
There is a state owned TV channel which is Kurdish only. TRT Kurdi. watch live if you want . http://www.trt.net.tr/anasayfa/canli.aspx?y=tv&k=trt6
One of the top University has a Kurdish major. https://ts.sabanciuniv.edu/en/courses/language-courses
I dont know what is worse. Ignorance or lying

I am not saying that Turkey is fully innocent and that there is no conflict with Kurds. All i am trying to clarify on this thread is that Turkey is not targeting Kurds in Syria. When Greece are moaning about 10 thousand refugees , Turkey is home to 4 million of them . 10% are Syrian Kurds. as much as i hate the guy, Erdogan is not stupid to target Kurds in Syria when there are 15 million of them at home. Why would he want to provoke them ? oh wait. maybe the thats exactly what terrorist want to achieve right ? If it is Kurds who Turkey attacks in Syria then England attacked Irish not IRA. Kurds defeated Arabs not ISIS.

crashadder · 15-10-2019 2:44pm

jmayo wrote: »

Ah jaysus lads will you stop asking those inconvenient difficult questions of our Turkish Erdogan supporting folks.

They mentioned that they fought against ISIS, but they don't mention how difficult it was for the US to get permission to use their bases in Turkey for the air sorties.

ISIS were involved in attacks on Turkey in 2013 and 2014, but it wasn't until July 2015 before Turkey really got involved in fighting ISIS.
Up until then they had once attacked ISIS in Jan 2014.

And it was only in July 2015 that the Turks allowed the US use it's airbases in Turkey for attacks on ISIS.

Why did it take them so long to get in on the action ?
Was it because that oil flowing over the border was too good to turn down ?

And it is also quite astonishing how many foreigners, especially the likes of young Brits and the odd Irish person, were able to make it over the border from Turkey into ISIL.

1- I hate Erdogan. Thats why i dont live in Turkey anymore. but you might now say. "well he has been ruling for 17 years what took you so long to leave" and i dont have an answer to that.

Blueshoe · 15-10-2019 2:48pm

All going well Ergodan will come good on his threat and release 3.5 million refugees into Europe.
Trump needs to step up his game first and put turkey back in its place.

crashadder · 15-10-2019 2:56pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

All going well Ergodan will come good on his threat and release 3.5 million refugees into Europe.
Trump needs to step up his game first and put turkey back in its place.

That shouldnt be a problem right ? 400 thousand of them are Syrian Kurds too. That would be humane thing to do. Take them . You are expecting Trump to help ? Thats sad.

Gatling · 15-10-2019 3:04pm

Elmer Blooker wrote: »

How did European jihadist terrorists

Seems plenty of Chechens made there way from mother russia and apparently nobody noticed

Odhinn · 15-10-2019 3:06pm

crashadder wrote: »

yeah take half-truths and spin spin spin!!
This is blatantly incorrect .
There is a state owned TV channel which is Kurdish only. TRT Kurdi. watch live if you want . http://www.trt.net.tr/anasayfa/canli.aspx?y=tv&k=trt6
One of the top University has a Kurdish major. https://ts.sabanciuniv.edu/en/courses/language-courses
I dont know what is worse. Ignorance or lying

I am not saying that Turkey is fully innocent and that there is no conflict with Kurds. All i am trying to clarify on this thread is that Turkey is not targeting Kurds in Syria. When Greece are moaning about 10 thousand refugees , Turkey is home to 4 million of them . 10% are Syrian Kurds. as much as i hate the guy, Erdogan is not stupid to target Kurds in Syria when there are 15 million of them at home. Why would he want to provoke them ? oh wait. maybe the thats exactly what terrorist want to achieve right ? If it is Kurds who Turkey attacks in Syria then England attacked Irish not IRA. Kurds defeated Arabs not ISIS.

.......you might want to check that out again.

Gatling · 15-10-2019 3:10pm

Odhinn wrote: »

.......you might want to check that out again.

Get the feeling were on to a wind up

Blueshoe · 15-10-2019 3:11pm

crashadder wrote: »

That shouldnt be a problem right ? 400 thousand of them are Syrian Kurds too. That would be humane thing to do. Take them . You are expecting Trump to help ? Thats sad.

Yes let them all into Europe. Only a 1% population increase. Trump has begun to sanction Turkey. It's not enough. But if he sends in troops he will be wrong , if he does nothing he is wrong. Lol

Drop a nuke down Ergodans chimney

What do you think trump should do?

James Brown · 15-10-2019 4:37pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

Yes let them all into Europe. Only a 1% population increase. Trump has begun to sanction Turkey. It's not enough. But if he sends in troops he will be wrong , if he does nothing he is wrong. Lol

Drop a nuke down Ergodans chimney

What do you think trump should do?

Protect the U.S. allies. Bit late now mind. If the Kurds find oil he'll change his tune the greasy f***.

Blueshoe · 15-10-2019 4:43pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Protect the U.S. allies. Bit late now mind. If the Kurds find oil he'll change his tune the greasy f***.

Troops back to the middle East it is so.

ollkiller · 15-10-2019 4:49pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

Yes let them all into Europe. Only a 1% population increase. Trump has begun to sanction Turkey. It's not enough. But if he sends in troops he will be wrong , if he does nothing he is wrong. Lol

Drop a nuke down Ergodans chimney

What do you think trump should do?

How about not create the situation in the first place. Such a clem of a leader. Extra kudos for his actions leading to ISIS fighters escaping. America **** yeah.

Blueshoe · 15-10-2019 4:55pm

ollkiller wrote: »

How about not create the situation in the first place. Such a clem of a leader. Extra kudos for his actions leading to ISIS fighters escaping. America **** yeah.

Yeah it's all trumps fault. Everything is

ollkiller · 15-10-2019 6:31pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

Yeah it's all trumps fault. Everything is

Look buck. I couldn't give a flying hoot what the last guy or whoever was in charge before did blah blah blah. I live in the present. And in the present Trump created this predicament so ya I do blame Trump for this.

crashadder · 15-10-2019 6:37pm

Odhinn wrote: »

.......you might want to check that out again.

check what exactly. state owned Kurdish channel or the University major ? Theres no such law in Turkey.

Odhinn · 15-10-2019 7:01pm

crashadder wrote: »

check what exactly. state owned Kurdish channel or the University major ? Theres no such law in Turkey.

You might tell Turkey that. They think there is.

The most recent example of this is a decision reached by the Eighth Chamber of the Council of the State on June 14, 2007 to remove the mayor of the Sur district of Diyarbakır, Abdullah Demirbaş, and the members of the municipal council. Endorsing the decision made by the interior minister, the high court ruled in October 2006 that giving information on various municipal services such as culture, art, environment, city cleaning and health in languages other than Turkish is against the Constitution, removing the people in question from office.

https://web.archive.org/web/20070930181201/http://www.todayszaman.com/tz-web/detaylar.do?load=detay&link=115171&bolum=109

Skylinehead · 15-10-2019 7:12pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

Troops back to the middle East it is so.

He's only after sending troops back to the Middle East though. Just to Saudi Arabia for some reason.

Fact is, if those few special troops stayed, none of this would happen. He's responsible.

Blueshoe · 15-10-2019 7:16pm

Skylinehead wrote: »

He's only after sending troops back to the Middle East though. Just to Saudi Arabia for some reason.

Fact is, if those few special troops stayed, none of this would happen. He's responsible.

The idea that the us is obligated to permanently station troops in the middle East is ridiculous.

Obama was lauded for removing troops. Blame Turkey. The lads doing the bombing

Blueshoe · 15-10-2019 7:17pm

ollkiller wrote: »

Look buck. I couldn't give a flying hoot what the last guy or whoever was in charge before did blah blah blah. I live in the present. And in the present Trump created this predicament so ya I do blame Trump for this.

I blame turkey. The guys doing the attacking and bombing

Skylinehead · 15-10-2019 7:59pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

The idea that the us is obligated to permanently station troops in the middle East is ridiculous.

That's their own fault too. Can't go in, blow up the gaf and then run away claiming you've nothing to do with it.

Blueshoe · 15-10-2019 8:36pm

Skylinehead wrote: »

That's their own fault too. Can't go in, blow up the gaf and then run away claiming you've nothing to do with it.

Yeah the middle East was a peaceful place until the Us came to town.
They are out now and should remain out. If the world actually cares as much as people seem to think then why aren't these countries taking any action against Turkey?

It's all Trumps fault sure. This is all about point scoring against Trump. Nobody really cares about the middle East or the Kurds.

ollkiller · 15-10-2019 8:57pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

It's all Trumps fault sure. This is all about point scoring against Trump. Nobody really cares about the middle East or the Kurds.

Speak for yourself there lad. What you can't seem to comprehend is that in this instance Trumps action of pulling out the troops caused this situation. That's not points scoring. That's a fact.

Blueshoe · 15-10-2019 8:59pm

ollkiller wrote: »

Speak for yourself there lad. What you can't seem to comprehend is that in this instance Trumps action of pulling out the troops caused this situation. That's not points scoring. That's a fact.

So you feel that the Us is obligated to permanently deploy troops in the Middle East?

Is Turkey not at fault here? Who is doing the bombing? Who is ordering soldiers to attack the Kurds?

It's Turkey attacking the Kurds! Where is your outrage towards Turkey!
Blinded by your Trump hatred

Jimmy Garlic · 15-10-2019 9:04pm

Gatling wrote: »

Putin pulling the strings I said previously the only way turkey would go after the Kurds was if trump pulled us troops aside to allow the Turks to wipe out the Kurds a job the Russians and assad couldn't do ..

This is up there with the betrayal of polish forces at the end of WW2 at the behest of Stalin

Hyperbole and nonsense.

jackboy · 15-10-2019 9:06pm

ollkiller wrote: »

What you can't seem to comprehend is that in this instance Trumps action of pulling out the troops caused this situation. That's not points scoring. That's a fact.

There is truth in that. However, no other country in the west volunteered to replace those troops, which they could have done. The west in general has not taken decisive action in Syria. Russia has and they have achieved a lot of their aims.

No country in the west gives a damn about the Kurds.

Gatling · 15-10-2019 9:12pm

Jimmy Garlic wrote: »

Oh vladibator

igCorcaigh · 15-10-2019 9:38pm

So many ways it could go from here, but if I were blindly optimistic I might hope for:

An agreement between Syria, Turkey and Russia for this operation which removes western presence from the region.

Syrian forces regain NE territory; negotiations with kurds regarding administration to follow.

Turkey happy to rid NE of kurdish forces.
Syria happy to regain territorial integrity.
Russia happy with removing Western presence.

And it's endgame of Syrian conflict.
New constitution of Syria is established.
Democratic elections happen by agreed framework (I'm pushing it)

Outlaw Pete · 15-10-2019 10:11pm

Good to see see the following has been promised at least.

https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1184206620026396674
https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1184206623914516480

igCorcaigh · 15-10-2019 10:38pm

Nah, I think all that bluster from the US and EU, even China or UN is irrelevant.

This is between Syria, Turkey and Russia now.

Limpy · 15-10-2019 10:39pm

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Good to see see the following has been promised at least.

https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1184206620026396674
https://twitter.com/LindseyGrahamSC/status/1184206623914516480

Turkey and Syria could Leave the big towns be, just cut them off from each other. They wouldn't survive with out outside help.

igCorcaigh · 15-10-2019 10:49pm

I wouldn't believe any word from Turkey.

I watched one of their representatives on France 24 the other night saying that they would stay away from certain cities, but by the next day their proxy militia was already attacking one of those towns.

They even struck near the US base near kobane the other day.

igCorcaigh · 15-10-2019 10:52pm

Limpy wrote: »

Turkey and Syria could Leave the big towns be, just cut them off from each other. They wouldn't survive with out outside help.

Yeah, there is this road that connects all the towns there, below that is mainly desert.

igCorcaigh · 15-10-2019 10:54pm

There is also this spillover into Kurdish Iraq to the east.

Refugees are already crossing into the area there, but possibly escaped ISIS too.

Odhinn · 16-10-2019 7:32pm

The fact of this assholes ability to impact on the lives of others is both sickening and terrifying.

Donald Trump has hailed his decision to withdraw US troops in Syria, paving way for a Turkish offensive, as “strategically brilliant”, declaring that the Kurds he had abandoned were “much safer now” and were anyway “not angels”.
The president’s remarks contradicted the official assessment of both the state and defence departments that the Turkish offensive was a disaster for regional stability and the fight against Isis.

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/oct/16/trump-claims-kurds-are-much-safer-as-us-troops-leave-syria

Skylinehead · 16-10-2019 7:43pm

He's actually gone and called the Kurds worse than ISIS.

Blueshoe · 16-10-2019 8:26pm

Erdogan said today that he will never stop and that any country who sanctions Turkey will lose.

But you all are whinging about Trump. Wake up

James Brown · 16-10-2019 8:28pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

Erdogan said today that he will never stop and that any country who sanctions Turkey will lose.

But you all are whinging about Trump. Wake up

Whinging about Trump leaving the Kurds to be slaughtered by the Turks. How the hell is that ignoring what the Turks are doing in any way?

Blueshoe · 16-10-2019 8:31pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Whinging about Trump leaving the Kurds to be slaughtered by the Turks. How the hell is that ignoring what the Turks are doing in any way?

Yes that's right. The Kurds are being slaughtered by Turkish army.
The Turkish army is killing them. Nobody is calling out Turkey. The people doing the killing.

James Brown · 16-10-2019 8:36pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

Yes that's right. The Kurds are being slaughtered by Turkish army.
The Turkish army is killing them. Nobody is calling out Turkey. The people doing the killing.

Everyone is. Also, Trump for enabling the slaughter.

Blueshoe · 16-10-2019 8:41pm

Matt Barrett wrote: »

Everyone is. Also, Trump for enabling the slaughter.

Yeah right they are. Just another Trump bashing excuse.
America has the right to withdraw it's troops. Turkey has no right to slaughter the Kurds .
There is little outrage towards Turkey in comparison to Trump.
Sad state of affairs

Skylinehead · 16-10-2019 8:49pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

Yeah right they are. Just another Trump bashing excuse.
America has the right to withdraw it's troops. Turkey has no right to slaughter the Kurds .
There is little outrage towards Turkey in comparison to Trump.
Sad state of affairs

Nobody's defending Turkey (I hope not anyway), so what do you want to talk about?

Blueshoe · 16-10-2019 8:58pm

Skylinehead wrote: »

Nobody's defending Turkey (I hope not anyway), so what do you want to talk about?

Erdogan said he won't stop. He stated that any country that trys to sanction Turkey will lose.

The US won't be sending troops in there and Russia have sent in their own.
What is the next move? Trump can't do anything. The Un maybe? Turkey won't listen.
The Kurds are going to be slaughtered and squeezed.

Cody montana · 16-10-2019 9:16pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

Yes that's right. The Kurds are being slaughtered by Turkish army.
The Turkish army is killing them. Nobody is calling out Turkey. The people doing the killing.

That’s a ridiculous statement.

Skylinehead · 16-10-2019 9:16pm

Blueshoe wrote: »

Erdogan said he won't stop. He stated that any country that trys to sanction Turkey will lose.

The US won't be sending troops in there and Russia have sent in their own.
What is the next move? Trump can't do anything. The Un maybe? Turkey won't listen.
The Kurds are going to be slaughtered and squeezed.

Cats out of the bag now, it's too late to do anything about it externally. Up to the Syrians and Russia to stop Turkey now, but I wouldn't exactly trust them either.

Exactly nothing would have happened if that US buffer was still there.

c.p.w.g.w · 16-10-2019 9:24pm

Erdogon is a much more dangerous a person than the Donald

jackboy · 16-10-2019 9:29pm

Skylinehead wrote: »

Exactly nothing would have happened if that US buffer was still there.

Correct but no other country volunteered to replace that buffer, which they easily could have done. What the Donald did was wrong but every other country in the west are just as much at fault.

Turkish forces have started bombing and attacking Kurdish people in Syria

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