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Lady can't have her hairy balls waxed [mod notes/warnings in post #1]

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    #62
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    The Specialist wrote: »
    Women don’t have balls and never will, the people referring to this man as a “she” are part of the problem - it’s a fella in a dress and that delusion is his alone, nobody else should be expected or required to suspend biological fact just in case his feelings get hurt.


    Deliberate misgendering is just so unnecessary


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    #63
    seamus
    Registered Users Posts: 68,317 ✭✭✭✭seamus


    Charmeleon wrote: »
    You are forgetting the particularly distressing part of this, where the completely innocent parties are being abused and ‘called out’ by hordes of crazies on the internet. That has to be extremely disturbing, especially to the vulnerable women that were targeted. That kind of thing doesn’t happen when some fool takes a typical vexatious case.
    You can criticise paedophiles, rapists and racists on twitter and you'll have hordes of crazies abusing you and sending you death threats on the Internet.

    It doesn't make it right, but there's not exactly anything any of us can do about the actions of some random lunatics online. Maybe if the media stopped publishing stuff based on how angry people will get about it, the crazies would have less to latch onto.

    If the media weren't publicising the actions of this idiot, it would be some unknown random failed frivolous lawsuits on the other side of the planet, just like the thousands of others every day.


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    #64
    mad muffin
    Registered Users Posts: 8,034 ✭✭✭mad muffin


    MrFresh wrote: »
    Have you a link to that story? I can't find it.





    Not for a discriminatory reason. They're better off not giving a reason.





    Anyone can sue anyone for anything. Whether they will be successful or not is another matter entirely.

    This person has been successful in their goal of creating havoc and misery.


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    #65
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    Anyway if legal women have testicles now, it stands to reason that a waxing service that excludes that category of legal women is discriminatory.


    That's not correct. It requires a separate skill to do what the person in question was requesting. Refusing someone because you don't know how to wax testicles is unlikely to fall foul of the law.


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    #66
    super_furry
    Registered Users Posts: 27,321 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Really all that needs to be said here is that 'unfortunately our staff have neither the training or experience to wax a penis or testicles'.

    Noone working in a beauty salon should be forced to do work that they're uncomfortable with, regardless of gender.


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    #67
    dudara
    Registered Users Posts: 33,519 ✭✭✭✭dudara


    @The Specialist & the dunne - one day ban for discriminatory comment.

    Posters - any further deliberate misgendering will result in cards or bans.

    dudara


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    #68
    petros1980
    Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭petros1980


    super_furry wrote: »
    Really all that needs to be said here is that 'unfortunately our staff have neither the training or experience to wax a penis or testicles'.

    Noone working in a beauty salon should be forced to do work that they're uncomfortable with, regardless of gender.

    Or alternatively, feck off you weird pervert you're not a woman...


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    #69
    Dante7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,543 ✭✭✭Dante7


    Do not discuss mod action in thread. Please contact a mod directly or use the Help desk.

    dudara


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    #70
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,111 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Same as before


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    #71
    Sonny noggs
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,523 ✭✭✭Sonny noggs


    Would a man having sex with this woman be considered heterosexual sex?

    Is it transphobia if a man does not want to have sex with this woman?


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    #72
    Still waters
    Registered Users Posts: 1,166 ✭✭✭Still waters


    Sonny noggs wrote: »
    Would a man having sex with this woman be considered heterosexual sex?

    Is it transphobia if a man does not want to have sex with this woman?

    2 lesbians obviously

    Blatant transphobia, he should be made ride him/her so he/she doesn't feel bad


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    #73
    Gatling
    Registered Users Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Could they not just buy a razor or slap some veet on them hairy testicles.
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    #74
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    MrFresh wrote: »
    That's not correct. It requires a separate skill to do what the person in question was requesting. Refusing someone because you don't know how to wax testicles is unlikely to fall foul of the law.

    Why would society accept that some legal women can never get their genitals waxed?

    Own it.


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    #75
    Glass fused light
    Registered Users Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭Glass fused light


    seamus wrote: »

    This is relevant to the case in question because there seems to have been crossed wires. Rather than explaining that bollox waxing was not a service they were capable of offering, they instead turned the customer down on the gender basis. Or at least that's the allegation.

    Naturally every moron who thinks that trans people will cause the end of civilisation as we know it, is jumping up and down about "irreperable damage to society" and "slippery slope". When in reality it's one sue-happy moron looking for a payout wherever they can find it. We have plenty of these, but they're rarely entertaining enough to make the news.

    Might want to read the link to the court report

    The first woman, waxing in her home, was approached on facebook by an account with a female picture and asked if she could provide waxing (Brazilian and body )while the person was menstruating and using tampon. After further contact on another account with a male picture and checks if the person is a male, and rejects on the basis being preop trans woman.

    Second lady, waxing in clients home, was approached on Facebook by an account with a male picture asked if she could provide waxing (Arms/legs ) she checks if the person is a male, on hearing what a trans woman is rejects on the basis having to go to house of biological male

    I can't see the report for the third lady yet.

    So yes it's about having to provide a personal service to someone who has been legally recognised as having the same gender as that of the service providers client base while having a different biological body.

    So the Canadian judge must decide if the legistation obliges a service provider to provide a service which would otherwise be classed as sexual assault.





    Prehaps it's just because I am a female moran that I am objecting to what I see a tiny part of male population start explaining that female biology and female experience can be replicated by someone who was socialised male, with a male body and is keeping that male body.

    Or that in the UK someone who had the equivalent of FGM preformed on their child being allowed to drive the trans agend that Irish childern are being treated under.

    If the stats are to be believed 80% of childern with issues will have resolved it by the late teens early twenties (most of these will be gay)
    20% will need medicalised help
    If the policy is to medicate early with puberty blockers and hormones how many of these 80% will be locked into a medical pathway when what they needed specialist mental health care to support them.
    The medication is cheaper than training and paying professional help to support these children


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    #76
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    Why would society accept that some legal women can never get their genitals waxed?

    Own it.


    Who said never? They just have to go to someone who is able to do what they want.


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    #77
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,111 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    Gatling wrote: »
    Could they not just buy a razor or slap some veet on them hairy testicles.

    This review is from: Veet for Men Hair Removal Gel Creme 200 ml (Personal Care)

    I decided to buy some of this for my husband who was looking untidy in the trouser dept. I left him to it while i went to the supermarket, fully expecting to arrive back home to see him laid out on the bed with 2 hardboiled, shelled eggs and a big smile. Wrong!!

    Instead i arrived home to him shouting ‘ oh yeah, thats good…ooooh so good. Bursting into the lounge, i was confronted by the sight of my naked husband with his todger in the arse end of a frozen chicken, that i was intending to use for sunday lunch the following weekend! By the time i had recovered from my horror at this sight and coaxed the cowering alsation out from behind the chair, he had crawled from the sofa, which had a large burn all the way through the cushion, springs and wood flooring beneath it, towards the bathroom, still with the chicken attached to his manhood but with the rest of the bird wedged between his legs and plumes of smoke coming from his plums.

    Confused, i followed him as he crawled up the stairs ( by now the chicken was defrosted and beginning to cook )He was screaming something about firemen, ambulances and divorce, but i was more concerned with wondering why the scotchguarding on the stair carpet wasn’t stopping it from melting.

    Eventually, he managed to get to the bathroom, where he slid into the bath ( with the chicken still attached to his knob ) and assumed birthing position with one leg over either side before turning the cold water tap directly onto his sizzling and spitting garden. Imagine the snap, crackle and pop sound of Rice Krispies, but magnify it by several decibels. Three weeks later, he was still there!!

    Once the burns healed and all the scabs fell off, I can honestly say that this stuff worked.

    Plus points…

    It will strip oil and grease from driveways in less than 5 seconds.

    It will defrost and cook a chicken faster than your microwave will.

    It’s a great contraceptive.

    Minus points.

    It will melt or set fire to anything coming into contact with it.

    If you’re planning on having a family, forget it!


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    #78
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    seamus wrote: »
    If the media weren't publicising the actions of this idiot, it would be some unknown random failed frivolous lawsuits on the other side of the planet, just like the thousands of others every day.

    The media isn’t publicising the case at all. Until a few days ago it wasn’t a public hearing. There’s one or two independent bloggers. And the case hasn’t failed yet.


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    #79
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    The media isn’t publicising the case at all. Until a few days ago it wasn’t a public hearing. There’s one or two independent bloggers. And the case hasn’t failed yet.


    i thought the Times reported it a month ago. Isn't that what someone in the first page or two said?


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    #80
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    MrFresh wrote: »
    Who said never? They just have to go to someone who is able to do what they want.

    What does that mean? Is it a place specialised for female grooming, or do trans women have to go to a male grooming establishment?

    we don’t know the outcome of these cases yet.


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    #81
    drunkmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 28,111 ✭✭✭✭drunkmonkey


    MrFresh wrote: »
    i thought the Times reported it a month ago. Isn't that what someone in the first page or two said?

    The UK times back in march it was over a feminist suing twitter, it's a paid for article I can't link to it. It's been going on for a while.
    It's transphobic not to be supporting her so I'm not surprised the papers have kept away from it especially here as we're one of the only countries in the world to give special rights to gender identity.


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    #82
    Ted Johnson
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 210 ✭✭Ted Johnson


    The anglosphere was a mistake.

    I'm emigrating to Russia. Lads, have fun with the transexual 'women' and 10 year old drag queens.


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    #83
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    What does that mean? Is it a place specialised for female grooming, or do trans women have to go to a male grooming establishment?


    Just one where they do scrotums. It doesn't have to be one dedicated to a particular gender. I always went to a hairdressers instead of a barber to get my haircut when I was younger. It didn't cause society to collapse.

    drunkmonkey wrote: »
    The UK times back in march it was over a feminist suing twitter, it's a paid for article I can't link to it. It's been going on for a while.
    It's transphobic not to be supporting her so I'm not surprised the papers have kept away from it especially here as we're one of the only countries in the world to give special rights to gender identity.


    You don't have to support something to report it.


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    #84
    CIARAN_BOYLE
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 14,599 Mod ✭✭✭✭CIARAN_BOYLE


    Honestly I don't think there's much of a story until we get a judgement.


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    #85
    Dante7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,543 ✭✭✭Dante7


    MrFresh wrote: »
    Just one where they do scrotums. It doesn't have to be one dedicated to a particular gender. I always went to a hairdressers instead of a barber to get my haircut when I was younger. It didn't cause society to collapse.





    You don't have to support something to report it.

    You seem to be saying that the only reason the women shouldn't have had to perform the waxing is because they don't have the necessary skills. What of a female beautician did have the skills, and in fact she regularly waxed her husband, but she only offered a commercial service to women. Do you believe that she should be compelled to touch someone's genitalia against her wishes. Think very carefully about this.


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    #86
    Franz Von Peppercorn II
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,398 ✭✭✭Franz Von Peppercorn II


    MrFresh wrote: »
    Just one where they do scrotums. It doesn't have to be one dedicated to a particular gender. I always went to a hairdressers instead of a barber to get my haircut when I was younger. It didn't cause society to collapse.

    A female grooming service that does scrotums? Might be hard to find if they can opt out. I don’t think the law will allow that form of defacto discrimination. We’ll see.

    Nobody is suggesting society is going to collapse by the way, that’s a strawman.


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    #87
    Oranage2
    Registered Users Posts: 11,131 ✭✭✭✭Oranage2


    Crazy crazy world now, this person has to accept that it was born a male and use the correct services that cater to people who are born male or else seek an alternative service that caters to people that that believe they're something else!


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    #88
    MrFresh
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭MrFresh


    Dante7 wrote: »
    You seem to be saying that the only reason the women shouldn't have had to perform the waxing is because they don't have the necessary skills. What of a female beautician did have the skills, and in fact she regularly waxed her husband, but she only offered a commercial service to women. Do you believe that she should be compelled to touch someone's genitalia against her wishes. Think very carefully about this.


    No, it's up to them what service they offer to the public, they just can't discriminate who they offer it to.

    Franz Von Peppercorn II wrote: »
    A female grooming service that does scrotums? Might be hard to find if they can opt out. I don’t think the law will allow that form of defacto discrimination. We’ll see.


    What's wrong with unisex service?


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    #89
    Glass fused light
    Registered Users Posts: 1,576 ✭✭✭Glass fused light


    MrFresh wrote: »

    Just one where they do scrotums. It doesn't have to be one dedicated to a particular gender. I always went to a hairdressers instead of a barber to get my haircut when I was younger. It didn't cause society to collapse.

    The legal argument is that as the ladies provided female waxing and she is now a female.
    she has a legal right to access any service provider for female waxing and that the service provider must provide the service irrespective of the assigned at birth genital presentation


    The case was filed without the need to establishing what the current status was. [pre op or post op]

    Think on that the court did not think that it was relevant to establish that fact [about her genital] before the case could proceed.


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    #90
    Pero_Bueno
    Closed Accounts Posts: 502 ✭✭✭Pero_Bueno


    Pat Condell is spot on in this as always

    https://twitter.com/patcondell/status/1152147642404745218?s=20


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    #91
    Dante7
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,543 ✭✭✭Dante7


    MrFresh wrote: »
    No, it's up to them what service they offer to the public, they just can't discriminate who they offer it to.

    So answer the question. Should the woman in my scenario be compelled to offer a waxing service to a transwoman?


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