MPs just put a gun to DUP's head

Pissartist · 09-07-2019 8:54pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

In other words the DUP have to decide whether they hate gay people or people who speak Irish more! Absolutely delighted for the bigots.

Not sure disagreeing with Ssm equates to hating gays

steddyeddy · 09-07-2019 9:12pm

Pissartist wrote: »

Not sure disagreeing with Ssm equates to hating gays

Well cling onto that belief if it makes you feel better P. Here's a quote from Ian Paisley Junior on his feelings towards gay people:

"I am pretty repulsed by gay and lesbianism. I think it is wrong. I think that those people harm themselves and – without caring about it – harm society. That doesn't mean to say that I hate them – I mean, I hate what they do"

Usually they do hate gays, just lack the balls to say it.

ILoveYourVibes · 09-07-2019 9:14pm

LOL

Calhoun · 09-07-2019 9:16pm

Lol, about time. They want to be governed exactly the same as the UK except when it suits, good enough for them.

Loafing Oaf · 09-07-2019 9:21pm

IMO the muted reaction to this so far shows how far last year's referendum has taken a lot of the heat out of the abortion issue across the island. So far, there's been a desultory handful of posts about it on politics.ie, whereas if this had happened five years ago the place would be in uproar all evening with denunciations of baby-murdering Brits...

Pissartist · 09-07-2019 9:41pm

steddyeddy wrote: »

Well cling onto that belief if it makes you feel better P. Here's a quote from Ian Paisley Junior on his feelings towards gay people:

"I am pretty repulsed by gay and lesbianism. I think it is wrong. I think that those people harm themselves and – without caring about it – harm society. That doesn't mean to say that I hate them – I mean, I hate what they do"

Usually they do hate gays, just lack the balls to say it.

You're quoting Ian paisley, hardly a reflection on all people who disagree with Ssm.

Faugheen · 09-07-2019 9:52pm

Pissartist wrote: »

Not sure disagreeing with Ssm equates to hating gays

There's always one.

Pretty sure trying to tell two people that they can't get married because of their sexuality is the same as hating the gays.

Auguste Comte · 09-07-2019 10:08pm

I can't wait for the orange pride march down the Garvaghy Road.

LuckyLloyd · 09-07-2019 10:28pm

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

IMO the muted reaction to this so far shows how far last year's referendum has taken a lot of the heat out of the abortion issue across the island. So far, there's been a desultory handful of posts about it on politics.ie, whereas if this had happened five years ago the place would be in uproar all evening with denunciations of baby-murdering Brits...

It was such a clear clean victory - knocked the stuffing out of the anti choice movement.

McMurphy · 09-07-2019 10:32pm

Pissartist wrote: »

You're quoting Ian paisley, hardly a reflection on all people who disagree with Ssm.

Clear enough reflection on all the DUP members who disagree with it though.

hynesie08 · 09-07-2019 10:33pm

Pissartist wrote: »

You're quoting Ian paisley, hardly a reflection on all people who disagree with Ssm.

Cool, so why do you disagree with it if you do....

Pissartist · 09-07-2019 10:41pm

hynesie08 wrote: »

Cool, so why do you disagree with it if you do....

I don't disagree with it i never said that, I just wouldn't tar everyone who disagrees with me as a gay hater, for me, that's small minded and bigoted.

Auguste Comte · 09-07-2019 10:42pm

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

It was such a clear clean victory - knocked the stuffing out of the anti choice movement.

They haven't gone away unfortunately

Larbre34 · 09-07-2019 10:49pm

Ultimate trolling of the day ewe pay by Westminster, have to hand it to them.

There is literally zero chance of an assembly by 21 Oct because a) Brexit will likely be in full on brinksmanship mode at that point and Norn Iron will be a poker chip along sectarian lines and b) the cash-for-ash report will be out sometime between now and then and thats a huge part of the Stormont stalemate so.....

SSM and bodily autonomy at the stroke of a liberal pen led by Stella Creasey and Co., a total anathema to Arlene and Co.

Brilliant.

Ten of Swords · 09-07-2019 10:52pm

And all of this is just 2 days before the biggest event in the Unionist calendar, bonfire night

Auguste Comte · 09-07-2019 10:59pm

Ten of Swords wrote: »

And all of this is just 2 days before the biggest event in the Unionist calendar, bonfire night

So there will be rainbow as well as Ivory Coast flegs on the bonfire this year I take it.

_blaaz · 09-07-2019 11:01pm

Auguste Comte wrote: »

So there will be rainbow as well as Ivory Coast flegs on the bonfire this year I take it.

I struggle to believe SSM is that big an issue for people in the north though??

It was just the DUP being childish and againest it because republicans wanted it.....kinda like howd they prob rather blur,to oasis on same logic

Ten of Swords · 09-07-2019 11:02pm

I expect plenty of Unionists will be very happy with the result ie, those that want the right to abortion and LGBT wishing to get married - they will be doing the happy burning

The religious conservatives will be doing the sad burning

The DUP don't speak for the entire Unionist community

tayto lover · 09-07-2019 11:05pm

I wonder would it work if we just put a trail of bananas all the way back to Stormount?

Phileas Frog · 09-07-2019 11:06pm

ILoveYourVibes wrote: »

LOL

Which Loyal Orange Lodge are you a member of?

circadian · 09-07-2019 11:23pm

Larbre34 wrote: »

Ultimate trolling of the day ewe pay by Westminster, have to hand it to them.

There is literally zero chance of an assembly by 21 Oct because a) Brexit will likely be in full on brinksmanship mode at that point and Norn Iron will be a poker chip along sectarian lines and b) the cash-for-ash report will be out sometime between now and then and thats a huge part of the Stormont stalemate so.....

SSM and bodily autonomy at the stroke of a liberal pen led by Stella Creasey and Co., a total anathema to Arlene and Co.

Brilliant.

Excellent work by them, let's not forget that it was Conor McGinn, a south Armagh fella that got this moving.

Larbre34 · 09-07-2019 11:28pm

Ten of Swords wrote: »

And all of this is just 2 days before the biggest event in the Unionist calendar, bonfire night

Theres quite a difference between the type of working class loyalist areas that are big into febrile bonfire nights and the arch-conservative DUP/TUV types who will balk at this societal landmine today, so I don't see any particular increased risk of trouble on the streets beyond the usual blackguarding.

Besides, its not like the pan-Unionist family can have much of a complaint about a law passed by her Royal Majesty's Queenie's Parliament in the Capital of the Empire!

I can't stop giggling frankly.

kowloon · 09-07-2019 11:56pm

Phileas Frog wrote: »

Which Loyal Orange Lodge are you a member of?

Terry's Chocolate.

For Forks Sake · 10-07-2019 12:02am

There won't be a shinner to be found up north this side of Halloween lest Stormont get going again... "new fone, who dis?"

Chiparus · 10-07-2019 12:04am

Deleted User wrote: »

The DUP knew this was coming. Now it will go through and they can blame the government. Sinn Fein will see this as an advancement of the equality agenda and that the DUP have swallowed a decent bit of pain, so Sinn Fein will agree to go back into Stormont too. Power Sharing will be up and running by winter.

This is good news for DUP and bad for SF.

DUP leadership were probably not anti gay marriage/choice but had to be seen to oppose it due to their members opinions.
Now the leadership can say we fought against it as best we could and its being forced on us- while still saying they are remaining true to their beliefs.

SF were apealing to the Gay/feminist/liberal protestant vote- now they have no reason to vote SF.

kowloon · 10-07-2019 12:12am

Chiparus wrote: »

This is good news for DUP and bad for SF.

DUP leadership were probably not anti gay marriage/choice but had to be seen to oppose it due to their members opinions.

You think the DUP leadership don't have the same beliefs as their membership and supporters? I always assumed they were genuine, at least on that front.

Larbre34 · 10-07-2019 12:57am

Chiparus wrote: »

DUP leadership were probably not anti gay

They've a funny way of showing it.

And of course they are, and the party always has been. Abomination is their favourite word.

Annasopra · 10-07-2019 1:06am

Pissartist wrote: »

Not sure disagreeing with Ssm equates to hating gays

No. But this is the original "Save Ulster from Sodomy from Party" and they havent moved that much past that.

TheValeyard · 10-07-2019 1:11am

This is going to drive the DUP mad.

So, this makes me very happy.

Auguste Comte · 10-07-2019 2:43am

Pissartist wrote: »

Not sure disagreeing with Ssm equates to hating gays

Being anti ssm would mean being pro oppression.

Loafing Oaf · 10-07-2019 9:57am

Larbre34 wrote: »

They've a funny way of showing it.

And of course they are, and the party always has been. Abomination is their favourite word.

Or are they exploiting the prejudices of their supporters for electoral advantage, the way Fiaana Fail used to and the Republican Party in America still does.
Would a party led by true bigots have permitted this?
https://www.irishnews.com/news/localelection2019/2019/04/19/news/dup-woman-is-party-s-first-openly-gay-politician-1601209/

sportsfan90 · 10-07-2019 9:59am

Does anyone know if each MP's voting records for yesterdays votes are published anywhere?

McMurphy · 10-07-2019 10:04am

sportsfan90 wrote: »

Does anyone know if each MP's voting records for yesterdays votes are published anywhere?

I read in the Irish times who voted with the DUP didn't name all the MPs, but definitely named one.

Just 65 Conservatives joined the DUP in voting against Mr McGinn’s amendment. Some 84 Conservatives, five Labour, two SNP MPs and Independent Unionist Sylvia Hermon voted with the DUP against the abortion referendum.

10-07-2019 10:05am

sportsfan90 wrote: »

Does anyone know if each MP's voting records for yesterdays votes are published anywhere?

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/www.pinknews.co.uk/2019/07/09/heres-how-every-mp-voted-on-equal-marriage-in-northern-ireland/amp/

gmisk · 10-07-2019 10:05am

sportsfan90 wrote: »

Does anyone know if each MP's voting records for yesterdays votes are published anywhere?

I saw a really good link on twitter will see if I can dig it out

10-07-2019 10:08am

This one’s better it lists who voted NO in both.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/equal-marriage-abortion-northern-ireland-mps-voting-against_uk_5d24c7b8e4b07e698c41a8ff/

gmisk · 10-07-2019 10:11am

I thought the below was excellent way to see everyones vote
https://commonsvotes.digiminster.com/Divisions/Details/699

https://commonsvotes.digiminster.com/

Tazz T · 10-07-2019 10:28am

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Could sinn fein stall the whole thing till after oct to let it go through?

I was thinking the exact same thing. After all, it's exactly what the DUP did to Brexit.

bloodless_coup · 10-07-2019 11:27am

Such a pity that the degeneracy of same sex marriage and abortion will be introduced into Northern Ireland. One of the last bastions of morality and traditional values being dragged through the mud.

10-07-2019 11:33am

Awwwww diddums.

Mickeroo · 10-07-2019 11:33am

doylefe wrote: »

Such a pity that the degeneracy of same sex marriage and abortion will be introduced into Northern Ireland. One of the last bastions of morality and traditional values being dragged through the mud.

Just when I thought that warm fuzzy feeling of satisfaction in my stomach couldn't get any warmer

Ten of Swords · 10-07-2019 11:39am

Wonder what Susan Anne White thinks of this, she unsuccessfully ran for election in Omagh a few years ago. Her platform was religion and traditional family values, and she wanted to criminalize homosexuality and bring back capital punishment.

She opined on her blog that the DUP were too soft in her opinion. She rage quit her blog when the 8th was repealed and she's no fan of Varadkar!

She must be having a really bad day today. Outrage overload :mad:

susan-anne-white.jpg?quality=80&strip=all

susan-anne-white.jpg?quality=80&strip=all

ancapailldorcha · 10-07-2019 11:43am

doylefe wrote: »

Such a pity that the degeneracy of same sex marriage and abortion will be introduced into Northern Ireland. One of the last bastions of morality and traditional values being dragged through the mud.

Traditional values. What a quaint way of dressing up hatred and bigotry.

BarryD2 · 10-07-2019 11:44am

Twenty Grand wrote: »

So Sinn Fein just sit on their hands for 4 months and viola, bill gets passed?

But SF in theory anyway are quite opposed to direct rule from Westminster. If they follow above approach, they'll be wide open to the accusation that direct rule delivers for the people of NI and is the way to go.

It's a very tricky horse to ride for both SF & the DUP. In practice, nothing will happen in Stormont anyway until the whole Brexit issue has more clarity. So this is more or less a done deal. The DUP may wring their hands but say it's being imposed by the UK. SF will take the flack just to see the discomfiture in the other crowd. Nothing changes.

gmisk · 10-07-2019 11:44am

doylefe wrote: »

Such a pity that the degeneracy of same sex marriage and abortion will be introduced into Northern Ireland. One of the last bastions of morality and traditional values being dragged through the mud.

Thats you off my big gay wedding invite list.

Degeneracy how lovely.

Northern ireland is a backward hole in general, anything that helps drag it into the 21st century is a good thing IMO.
Thankfully things are changing up there when it comes to younger people (whether you like it or not) they are rejecting the more extreme options and voting for parties like the alliance.

I spent 20 years of my life living there BTW, do you live there or are you from there?
You say morality and traditional values I say nasty narrow minded bigotry.

Danzy · 10-07-2019 11:47am

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

Traditional values. What a quaint way of dressing up hatred and bigotry.

Some policies that were too far neoliberal for Thatcher have been dressed up as solidarity and empathy.

Political dress up is a defining aspect of our age.

ohnonotgmail · 10-07-2019 11:48am

Ten of Swords wrote: »

Wonder what Susan Anne White thinks of this, she unsuccessfully ran for election in Omagh a few years ago. Her platform was religion and traditional family values, and she wanted to criminalize homosexuality and bring back capital punishment.

She opined on her blog that the DUP were too soft in her opinion. She rage quit her blog when the 8th was repealed and she's no fan of Varadkar!

She must be having a really bad day today. Outrage overload :mad:

should she not be living by her own principles and staying at home being a good mother while her husband goes to work?

Markcheese · 10-07-2019 11:58am

Ten of Swords wrote: »

Wonder what Susan Anne White thinks of this, she unsuccessfully ran for election in Omagh a few years ago. Her platform was religion and traditional family values, and she wanted to criminalize homosexuality and bring back capital punishment.

She opined on her blog that the DUP were too soft in her opinion. She rage quit her blog when the 8th was repealed and she's no fan of Varadkar!

She must be having a really bad day today. Outrage overload :mad:

Wow, she really managed to cram it all in there didn't she,
, at first I though she's a holy Jo, plain and simple, intolerant but a holy Jo, but then saw the rail against climate change and against human rights NI, and though maybe she's trump in a dress... (i think that can be ruled out by wanting punishment for adultery)

Markcheese · 10-07-2019 12:05pm

So the DUP will go apoplectic over this, there's no way they'll back brexit without being given a veto over this, and unlikely they'll work with the shinners,
So a UK general election immediately after Boris' coronation.
Which may suit Boris as he has less opportunity to piss off the general British electorate, and if he ends up with a decent majority he doesn't need the DUP, and can carry brexit votes where ever he wants ..

Lazer002 · 10-07-2019 12:06pm

It's all good the SSM is being brought into NI.

I personally am not as keen on abortion legislation being passed - but it was always going to happen especially after Repel the 8th won in the south.

It's all well and good to laugh at the DUP - but this has an impact on every person in NI.

The major issue here, is the effect of this on devolution - as far I as I know the DUP do not have the numbers for a petition of concern (with 28 seats), so SSM and abortion could have passed the NI assembly legislation this time anyway, if Stormont was running.

This bill has in effect meant that there is no incentive to get Stormont running before 21st October.
The lack of an assembly has an effect on the people in NI - for example long term funding cannot be accessed so the health service in NI cannot give its staff the same paydeal as the nhs in England (which has a 3 year deal). Many people in the HSC got a 1.5% payrise (max payrise was 3%) this year vs about 8% in England.
There is a lack on investment in public services and much needed shake up aren't happening.

The Ni economy is in recession but there is no one willing to do anything about it as there is no government.

The people in London are once again legislating for Northern Ireland - this shouldn't be ongoing for near 3 years - an election should be called and if the same useless politicians are voted in again and again refuse to enter Stormont, then bring back direct rule properly or let the parties that will sit in Stormont govern so at least someone is governing here instead of this current limbo which is having a massive impact on public services.

MPs just put a gun to DUP's head

Comments