MPs just put a gun to DUP's head

leitrim4life

MPs vote to legalise same-sex marriage and decriminalise abortion in Northern Ireland

The House of Commons action will put the pressure on Northern Ireland parties to agree a new power-sharing deal by the autumn.

MPs have voted to legalise same-sex marriage and decriminalise abortion in Northern Ireland, if a new devolved government isn't formed at Stormont by 21 October.

The House of Commons supported both measures via amendments to legislation designed to keep Northern Ireland running in the absence of a devolved executive.

The amendments were passed overwhelmingly after MPs were given free votes on Tuesday afternoon, with same-sex marriage and abortion traditionally treated as matters of conscience in the Commons.

Legislation to allow same-sex marriage in England, Wales and Scotland was passed in 2014 but has never been introduced in Northern Ireland.

Read More: https://news.sky.com/story/mps-vote-to-legalise-same-sex-marriage-in-northern-ireland-if-no-new-stormont-executive-11759880

L O fcuking L

robinph

And they still have to vote on abortion yet. DUP about to explode.

Losty Dublin

Gay Marriage; the one thing the DUP won't do for a Queen.

Harry Palmr

About time, post stone age boggers, not that anything will happen in the short term. I suppose this could get them back to work, on the other hand it could provoke an attempt to do the opposite and force the change through.

Democracy or progress? Hmmm.

Guy:Incognito

Could sinn fein stall the whole thing till after oct to let it go through?

is_that_so

Abortion passed too!

Yer Da sells Avon

Marriage equality and abortion too. Good way to drag the bigots, kicking and screaming, either into the 21st Century or into Stormont.

dudara

Moved from AH > CA

Good healthy contempt for the DUP from parliament.

What incentive is there for Sinn Fein to get Stormont up and running by that date. They are for SSM and abortion.

Done deal.

Guy:Incognito

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Good healthy contempt for the DUP from parliament.

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Much less than their own contempt for a portion of their citizens and their rights.

ToddyDoody

So we don't want a coalition in that case.

Great, but whoever proposed that is a troll, and I know trolls.

Ten of Swords

Sinn Fein have campaigned for same sex marriage in NI for a long time and when the health ministry came under Sinn Fein control they reversed the lifetime ban on MSM blood donors.

Guess we will have to see how this plays out, if Stormont does start up before October 21st the DUP will have this blocked immediately with a petition of concern

banie01

Not often I find myself in this position...
But!
Very well done to all in Westminster who voted to put this gun to the D.U.P's head!
The right to a safe abortion, and the right to Same Sex Marriage enshrined in N.I law should Stormont not resume by October 21st!
Of all the weeks to have the UK government give a real response to bigotry!
They couldn't have chosen a better one!
Now for Sinn Fein to keep Stormont down until then!

SexBobomb

Ten of Swords wrote: »

Guess we will have to see how this plays put, if Stormont dors start up before October 31st the DUP will have this blocked immediately with a petition of concern

Is it too simplistic to say SF will just refuse until after the deadline? (whatever those are worth anymore).
Or would that just cause more trouble for powersharing down the line ?

Balanadan

dudara wrote: »

Moved from AH > CA

Not this bull**** again :mad:

Ten of Swords

SexBobomb wrote: »

Is it too simplistic to say SF will just refuse until after the deadline? (whatever those are worth anymore).
Or would that just cause more trouble for powersharing down the line ?

There are a lot of points of disagreement between SF and DUP right now anyway, the Irish language act for one thing. I doubt there's much danger of the DUP suddenly making concessions to SF so they can block gay marriage.

Arlene Foster is no fool, she knew same sex marriage would pass like if or not but now she can say the decision was taken out of her hands by Westminster

steddyeddy

In other words the DUP have to decide whether they hate gay people or people who speak Irish more! Absolutely delighted for the bigots.

ChikiChiki

Between this, Trumps tantrums on twitter today, Boris Johnsons shenanigans and the whole Brexit mess politics is very entertaining recently. It should not be but thats where we are at. So much drama its ridiculous.

shanec1928

This is great.

Dyr

Whats really funny about this is that all the middle class pissers and moaners up in de nort who were demanding that stormont gets going again will suddenly reverse their position

gmisk

Same-sex marriage and abortion to be legalised in North if no power-sharing by 21 October https://jrnl.ie/4717703

This is very exciting!
The DUP are going to blow a gasket...amazing!

branie2

Great news altogether

Loafing Oaf

is_that_so wrote: »

Abortion passed too!

Amazing how this issue has been such a massive deal for 50 years and suddenly gets resolved as an amendment tacked on to another bill in the House of Commons

dudara

Duplicate threads merged

dudara

Ten of Swords

That's how contentious legislation gets passed, tack it onto a popular bill as an ammendment. Oldest trick in the book

Twenty Grand

So Sinn Fein just sit on their hands for 4 months and viola, bill gets passed?

circadian

Well played Conor McGinn and Stella Creasy.

_blaaz

Twenty Grand wrote: »

So Sinn Fein just sit on their hands for 4 months and viola, bill gets passed?

Essentially yes

Kinda pay back for DUP for fcuking up.their whole brexit dream....(also ridcolus for SF to be letting westminister legislate for.ireland tbh)



But these changes were coming down the line irrgardless anyway in the north with demographics (ffs the DUP have an openly gay councillor elected,they are far from whats painted on the tin)

Ten of Swords

I don't know, I haven't seen the exact wording of the bill. Does it legalise it from October 21st onwards or just give Britain the right to legislate for it from that date? If it's the latter then further legislation will be required and could be subject to delays etc

Does anyone know the specifics of the bill?

Faugheen

I'd say Sammy Wilson's blood pressure is through the roof. Delighted for the bigoted fools in the DUP.

circadian

Faugheen wrote: »

I'd say Sammy Wilson's blood pressure is through the roof. Delighted for the bigoted fools in the DUP.

His face is heating an entire room at this stage.

Loafing Oaf

Faugheen wrote: »

I'd say Sammy Wilson's blood pressure is through the roof. Delighted for the bigoted fools in the DUP.

Sammy's a swinger though. Betcha he's secretly delighted women in NI can now terminate 'inconvenient' pregnancies with minimum inconvenience...

Ten of Swords

Nigel Dodds a reaction was very telling

(the proposals drive) a coach and horses through the principle of devolution.

Couldn't come with a modern analogy, sums up the DUP right there I think!

https://www.thejournal.ie/same-sex-marriage-abortion-north-4717703-Jul2019/

Yer Da sells Avon

Faugheen wrote: »

I'd say Sammy Wilson's blood pressure is through the roof. Delighted for the bigoted fools in the DUP.

Sounds like a bum deal for him alright.

steddyeddy

I imagine the frequency of phone calls Sinn Fein is getting now is wearing out their batteries fairly fast.

Loafing Oaf

Ten of Swords wrote: »

I don't know, I haven't seen the exact wording of the bill. Does it legalise it from October 21st onwards or just give Britain the right to legislate for it from that date? If it's the latter then further legislation will be required and could be subject to delays etc

Does anyone know the specifics of the bill?

Yes if these genuinely are 'devolved'issues I don't see how the Commons can hold a gun to the DUP's head like this.

AndyBoBandy

circadian wrote: »

His face is heating an entire room barn at this stage.

Arlene fixed that for you now

bmc58

leitrim4life wrote: »

https://news.sky.com/story/mps-vote-to-legalise-same-sex-marriage-in-northern-ireland-if-no-new-stormont-executive-11759880

Come on Arlene,the next move is yours.

Loafing Oaf

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Yes if these genuinely are 'devolved'issues I don't see how the Commons can hold a gun to the DUP's head like this.

Because for devolution to work, you need an assembly.

McMurphy

There will almost certainly be no return to Stormount this year by the looks of things.

SF will insist on same sex marriage and abortion rights in assembly negotiations anyway, so it will happen one way or another.

Loafing Oaf

Flying Fox wrote: »

SF will insist on same sex marriage and abortion rights in assembly negotiations anyway, so it will happen one way or another.

Possibly if the assembly returns after the deadline, abortion and SSM will be the law of the land, and it will require the support of both main parties to overturn them, whereas as things stood up to now they would both have to voted to introduce them?

bingbong500

Loafing Oaf wrote: »

Yes if these genuinely are 'devolved'issues I don't see how the Commons can hold a gun to the DUP's head like this.

There is no-one there to devolve to.


This suits the DUP. They were never going to win on either issue but this way they can still claim to have had it forced on them by Westminster.

The DUP knew this was coming. Now it will go through and they can blame the government. Sinn Fein will see this as an advancement of the equality agenda and that the DUP have swallowed a decent bit of pain, so Sinn Fein will agree to go back into Stormont too. Power Sharing will be up and running by winter.

James Brown

This is a dilly of a pickle. If they fight this it'll really look bad for them. It's the kind of thing the world watches, it's above and beyond their petty anti Irish language stuff.

maccored

Arleen will have to come clean about the RHI scandal before SF go into office in Stormont. She's not doing that anytime soon

Annasopra

Ten of Swords wrote: »

Sinn Fein have campaigned for same sex marriage in NI for a long time and when the health ministry came under Sinn Fein control they reversed the lifetime ban on MSM blood donors.

Guess we will have to see how this plays out, if Stormont does start up before October 21st the DUP will have this blocked immediately with a petition of concern

But SF would insist they couldn't do that!

Guy:Incognito

Matt Barrett wrote: »

This is a dilly of a pickle. If they fight this it'll really look bad for them.

Cos theyve been behind the door with their opinions up till now?

ollkiller

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

L O fcuking L

Exactly what I was thinking.

fergus1001

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote:

L O fcuking L

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bigoted prats