Extinction Rebellion Ireland

RHJ · 18-04-2019 7:41pm #1

So what's the general opinion on here about the protest that is due to happen at 1 PM tomorrow will you be out supporting the protesters for Extinction Rebellion Ireland?

https://www.newstalk.com/news/extinction-rebellion-dublin-849302

Unfortunately, I will be unable to attend the protest tomorrow, but I fully support the people protesting and the message that governments, especially ours needs to do more to combat global warming. I'd love for the country to implement new green policies such as reforestation of large areas of the countryside with traditional Irish broadleaf trees rather than the current commercial crap that we have at the moment. I'd also like to see a right to roam type law implemented, which would give walkers and outdoor enthusiasts better access to the countryside and encourage eco-tourism rather than the current unsustainable model that we have at the moment.

If you had the power to implement any environmental policies. What would you do?

Kirby · 18-04-2019 7:43pm

Who do we get to vote out? Any Immunity Idols?

Edit: Ah why did you edit your title? It worked better as "Extinction island!"

18-04-2019 7:44pm

Their aggressive tactics undermine the cause, peaceful protest is far more effective.

Odhinn · 18-04-2019 7:46pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Their aggressive tactics undermine the cause, peaceful protest is far more effective.

...they are peaceful protests...annoying ones if you get caught in the traffic but peaceful nonetheless.

Lucy8080 · 18-04-2019 7:49pm

The mother-in-law is pondering coming to stay for Easter. I'm in favour of any protest that blocks the roads.

RHJ · 18-04-2019 7:51pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Their aggressive tactics undermine the cause, peaceful protest is far more effective.

Here is a quote from their official Facebook page

PLEASE READ - We hope you are all looking forward to tomorrows event 😃🌍 Some quick tips 👇

1. We are a strictly non-violent network. If you see anyone breaking this rule please inform one of our stewards.
2. Please bring your own homemade banners and signs which are so creative! (rather than ones from political parties)
3. Please bring drums, horns and cow bells (and whatever else) to make as much noise as possible!
4. Please be respectful to the Garda. They are not the focus of this protest, the government is.
5. Bring sunscreen (ironically it's going to be a scorcher)

Peaceful civil disobedience is part of our strategy. If the Garda ask us to end the protest anyone who does not want to risk being arrested should leave the area immediately and safely.

We’d only recommend putting yourself in a position to be arrested if you are comfortable with taking that step and have completed non-violent direct action training.

kneemos · 18-04-2019 7:53pm

RHJ wrote: »

Here is a quote from their official Facebook page

5. Is not ironic.

buried · 18-04-2019 7:55pm

They'll get a grand day for it anyways.

McMurphy · 18-04-2019 7:58pm

Extinction protests went out with the dinosaur's.

kneemos · 18-04-2019 8:10pm

What is it they want?

18-04-2019 8:11pm

kneemos wrote: »

What is it they want?

You know like, stuff and things?

buried · 18-04-2019 8:13pm

kneemos wrote: »

What is it they want?

Not to become extinct. Too bad because its on the cards one way or the other.

jasper100 · 18-04-2019 8:15pm

RHJ wrote: »

So what's the general opinion on here about the protest that is due to happen at 1 PM tomorrow will you be out supporting the protesters for Extinction Rebellion Ireland?

https://www.newstalk.com/news/extinction-rebellion-dublin-849302

Unfortunately, I will be unable to attend the protest tomorrow, but I fully support the people protesting and the message that governments, especially ours needs to do more to combat global warming. I'd love for the country to implement new green policies such as reforestation of large areas of the countryside with traditional Irish broadleaf trees rather than the current commercial crap that we have at the moment. I'd also like to see a right to roam type law implemented, which would give walkers and outdoor enthusiasts better access to the countryside and encourage eco-tourism rather than the current unsustainable model that we have at the moment.

If you had the power to implement any environmental policies. What would you do?

Won't work. A farm support a family, and families support rural communities.

Planting trees on farms mean the land is planted by outside contractors and ignored for 20 years, bar the odd pruning by outside contractors. Farming families are on the land every day spending money locally and supporting the community.

How about they level all the housing estates and plant trees there instead?

Eventually the sun will burn out and the human race will be extinct. Human induced global warming merely shortens the road to extinction. May as well enjoy it while we can.

SEPT 23 1989 · 18-04-2019 8:16pm

Go out and protest to give governments the green light to take more money out of your pockets

Well done

Your Face · 18-04-2019 8:17pm

Look it, if protesting didn't work for the dinosaurs, it's not going to work for us.

kneemos · 18-04-2019 8:21pm

Bar a massive change in the way we live I don't see what we can do in fairness.

CalamariFritti · 18-04-2019 8:31pm

I do support it and fair play for the younger generation - well some of them anyway - for standing up.

However, it will take literally a revolutionary change to make an impact. The current political and economical system is incapable of reforming itself into sustainability. It has to go or else there is no hope. But sadly I believe inertia and denial and plain resistance will not allow it until its too late.

But thats not an excuse for not trying, so fair play and yes bring it on, plenty of it.

jasper100 · 18-04-2019 8:50pm

It took over 200,000 years of human history for the world's population to reach 1 billion;[2] and only 200 years more to reach 7 billion

Says it all really. We are great for culling seals, deer, foxes, rats badgers etc. etc., but the dirtiest shower of rodents of all are humans and we are completely out of control destroying everything in our path and there is no stopping us.

Censored11 · 18-04-2019 8:54pm

kneemos wrote: »

What is it they want?

More bullsh!t Carbon Tax !

CalamariFritti · 18-04-2019 8:58pm

jasper100 wrote: »

It took over 200,000 years of human history for the world's population to reach 1 billion;[2] and only 200 years more to reach 7 billion

Says it all really. We are great for culling seals, deer, foxes, rats badgers etc. etc., but the dirtiest shower of rodents of all are humans and we are completely out of control destroying everything in our path and there is no stopping us.

Sadly thats true. We consider ourselves the pinnacle of creation and on an individual level that may be true, but collectively we are just a very effective cancer, what Agent Smith said.

RDM_83 again · 18-04-2019 8:58pm

RHJ wrote: »

So what's the general opinion on here about the protest that is due to happen at 1 PM tomorrow will you be out supporting the protesters for Extinction Rebellion Ireland?

https://www.newstalk.com/news/extinction-rebellion-dublin-849302

Unfortunately, I will be unable to attend the protest tomorrow, but I fully support the people protesting and the message that governments, especially ours needs to do more to combat global warming. I'd love for the country to implement new green policies such as reforestation of large areas of the countryside with traditional Irish broadleaf trees rather than the current commercial crap that we have at the moment. I'd also like to see a right to roam type law implemented, which would give walkers and outdoor enthusiasts better access to the countryside and encourage eco-tourism rather than the current unsustainable model that we have at the moment.

If you had the power to implement any environmental policies. What would you do?

I would be a lot more receptive to them if they answered the questions that were difficult their side of the political spectrum, that is that reducing western European carbon emissions to close to zero and keeping a a stable population would not solve climate change according to the figures they rely on themselves.

To put it even blunter a chinese person is not far of the Co2 emissions of an irish person (or possibly higher depending on figure)

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EN.ATM.CO2E.PC

CalamariFritti · 18-04-2019 9:03pm

RDM_83 again wrote: »

I would be a lot more receptive to them if they answered the questions that were difficult their side of the political spectrum, that is that reducing western European carbon emissions to close to zero and keeping a a stable population would not solve climate change according to the figures they rely on themselves.

To put it even blunter a chinese person is not far of the Co2 emissions of an irish person (or possibly higher depending on figure)

https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/EN.ATM.CO2E.PC

But its not just co2 levels and climate change. Its how we literally pollute, poison and lay to waste everything around us and everything in it. And we're not even doing it for survival. Most of it is just greed and gluttony.

RHJ · 18-04-2019 9:25pm

jasper100 wrote: »

Won't work. A farm support a family, and families support rural communities.

Planting trees on farms mean the land is planted by outside contractors and ignored for 20 years, bar the odd pruning by outside contractors. Farming families are on the land every day spending money locally and supporting the community.

How about they level all the housing estates and plant trees there instead?

Eventually the sun will burn out and the human race will be extinct. Human induced global warming merely shortens the road to extinction. May as well enjoy it while we can.

Whether you like it or not, people that live in towns and cities have on average a lower carbon footprint than those who live in the countryside (only a small percentage of those living in rural locations are farmers all work in the industry).

The type of trees. I would like to see planted are traditional native trees that wouldn't be harvested an opportunity I could see the sum living in some living in rural Ireland would be maintaining public pathways and tracks through the newly planted forests. Others could set up their own tourism businesses such as campsites. I also like the idea one of the ideas from Andrew Yang, who is currently running for president in the US, he suggests paying people to move from rural locations into towns and cities. His focus is more on jobs, though another idea that I like would be to give a universal income whose land has new forestry planted on it.

RobertKK · 18-04-2019 9:27pm

They only create pollution by delaying traffic and making people take longer journeys.

MrMusician18 · 18-04-2019 9:33pm

RobertKK wrote: »

They only create pollution by delaying traffic and making people take longer journeys.

Well with tomorrow being Good Friday the city will be relatively quiet.

I wonder how many will turn up. I suppose you'll have the regular rent-a-protester there anyway.

Irexit · 18-04-2019 9:39pm

Even Prof Ray Bates from Met Eireann said there is no proof that man made climate change is real.

This is a total non issue to be protesting about.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/irish-scientist-questions-warnings-on-climate-change-1.3738727

18-04-2019 9:40pm

Irexit wrote: »

Even Prof Ray Bates from Met Eireann said there is no proof that man made climate change is real.

This is a total non issue to be protesting about.

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/environment/irish-scientist-questions-warnings-on-climate-change-1.3738727

Your username and denialism fit perfectly.

Atlantic Dawn · 18-04-2019 9:40pm

Why don't they do something constructive like get 10,000 people on the coastlines some weekend to clear up all the plastic and rubbish?

Irexit · 18-04-2019 9:45pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Your username and denialism fit perfectly.

Are you saying Prof Ray Bates is wrong ?

MrMusician18 · 18-04-2019 9:49pm

Deleted User wrote: »

Your username and denialism fit perfectly.

Indeed rather ironically if we had his irexit we would almost certainly meet out emissions targets, what with it ending agriculture on the island and all.

Odhinn · 18-04-2019 9:49pm

Irexit wrote: »

Are you saying Prof Ray Bates is wrong ?

O noes!!! He can't be wrong, he's a proffessor!!!

The majority of scientific opinion says he's wrong.

4068ac1elhodqr · 18-04-2019 9:50pm

Why not campaign for research into the 'holy grail' of energy i.e. cold nuclear fusion, instead?
A clean and limitless energy source, compared to carbon.

Think it's China that holds the current record for containing (not easy) reactor plasma (100seconds),
France is planning the world's largest site in Provence, but the 1st experiment is not expected until 2025.

Also, future population control will directly assist in extinction prevention,
they could campaign for a educational leaflet or condom airdrop over Africa & the Middle East
where many countries are seeing natural 2-4% population growth, per annum.

jasper100 · 18-04-2019 10:03pm

RHJ wrote: »

Whether you like it or not, people that live in towns and cities have on average a lower carbon footprint than those who live in the countryside (only a small percentage of those living in rural locations are farmers all work in the industry).

The type of trees. I would like to see planted are traditional native trees that wouldn't be harvested an opportunity I could see the sum living in some living in rural Ireland would be maintaining public pathways and tracks through the newly planted forests. Others could set up their own tourism businesses such as campsites. I also like the idea one of the ideas from Andrew Yang, who is currently running for president in the US, he suggests paying people to move from rural locations into towns and cities. His focus is more on jobs, though another idea that I like would be to give a universal income whose land has new forestry planted on it.

We cant keep piling people into cites. We already have a housing crisis. If we replace farms with trees we increase importing food from abroad, higher carbon footprint.

I dont disagree that rural people have a higher carbon footprint than urban. Thats bad planning.

Clusters in towns with electric rail links would be the way to go of course.

Atlantic Dawn · 19-04-2019 12:06am

Why do these climate change wafflers always believe there is time to fix things? If there was no time to fix things they would have zero soapbox to perform on.

whisky_galore · 19-04-2019 3:26am

Nebulous, leaderless and aimless groups like this and the Occupy Movement are destined to fade away after the initial 'shares and likes'.
I'd like if this could come to something but it'll be the usual minority professional protester class with noserings and knitted beards.

19-04-2019 4:01am

its awful strange that there is an existential crisis facing every generation.

almost as if it suits some people's mentalities to have a cause celebre to lecture everyone else about and grab some attention for themselves

ive no problem with addressing inefficient energy, consumption, waste etc and am fine with higher taxes to do so.

but a gang of self appointed morally superior wretches blocking the town as a form of public footstamping tantrum is hole-sickening display.

and the youth of the country are as distractable, shallow and clueless as the youth has always been. theres zero reason to take direction from them on this or any other matter. theyll get a vote in their own time and are free to make their own lifestyle changes in the meantime, sams as anybody else.

humbug!

bnt · 19-04-2019 8:31am

One of the leaders of "Extinction Rebellion" will be giving a public talk at the Science Gallery next week - details here.

uck51js9zml2yt · 19-04-2019 8:44am

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Why do these climate change wafflers always believe there is time to fix things? If there was no time to fix things they would have zero soapbox to perform on.

What's to fix?
The Antarctic glaciers are melting. There are volcanoes under the Antarctic.

How do you stop an active volcano from melting the glaciers above it?

Del2005 · 19-04-2019 8:48am

Odhinn wrote: »

...they are peaceful protests...annoying ones if you get caught in the traffic but peaceful nonetheless.

Peaceful or a non peaceful protest still cause the same problems for everyone else bar the Gardai and the Gardai still have to have a riot squad on standby regardless. Arresting one non violent person requires the same resources if not more than a violent protester, as most violent protesters will walk when arrested, so non violence is a massive problem for policing.

So this is disrupting people's lives for something which isn't going to be changed by blocking roads. The only way to get change is at the ballot box but most of the parties advocating change won't enter government so they are useless.

overkill602 · 19-04-2019 9:01am

Unfortunately Africa & Asia have to right to enjoy the luxuries afforded to the west and that's the future source of extra emissions

we have done some things by recycling, lower emissions appliance and transportation extra carbon taxes on top of already high taxation will push more back to poverty
however there's a good argument for us to go nuclear

Bannasidhe · 19-04-2019 9:23am

jasper100 wrote: »

Won't work. A farm support a family, and families support rural communities.

Planting trees on farms mean the land is planted by outside contractors and ignored for 20 years, bar the odd pruning by outside contractors. Farming families are on the land every day spending money locally and supporting the community.

How about they level all the housing estates and plant trees there instead?

Eventually the sun will burn out and the human race will be extinct. Human induced global warming merely shortens the road to extinction. May as well enjoy it while we can.

A good place to start would be if Coillte stopped planted sitka spruce and began planting native trees.
Sitka is an absolute environmental disaster. Bog land was ploughed to plant them which released carbon, the trees themselves leave the soil useless for growing anything else afterwards, the clear felling (using heavy machinery) causes acidic sediment to drain into lakes and rivers.
Bio-diversity is out the window.

Then there is Coillte's overuse of pesticides - if the bees continue to die at current rates we are all extinct.

It's short sighted thinking with making a fast profit the only concern and damn the consequences to the environment.

4068ac1elhodqr · 19-04-2019 3:33pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

A good place to start would be if Coillte stopped planted sitka spruce and began planting native trees.

Agree, the lowest broadleaf coverage % for any European country (other than some tiny island states).

Even the uk (with x10 the population) has a huge array of parklands, forests and green spaces.

nullzero · 19-04-2019 3:36pm

I'll only support it if they start gluing themselves to things.

The irony of using a product derived from animal carcasses to make a point about the environment by people who most likely champion animal right as well.

Dyr · 19-04-2019 4:00pm

Let them have a petting session with the ngarda dog unit

GinAndBitter · 19-04-2019 5:00pm

Any plans to make this an overnight session like in London?

ancapailldorcha · 19-04-2019 6:02pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

A good place to start would be if Coillte stopped planted sitka spruce and began planting native trees.
Sitka is an absolute environmental disaster. Bog land was ploughed to plant them which released carbon, the trees themselves leave the soil useless for growing anything else afterwards, the clear felling (using heavy machinery) causes acidic sediment to drain into lakes and rivers.
Bio-diversity is out the window.

Then there is Coillte's overuse of pesticides - if the bees continue to die at current rates we are all extinct.

It's short sighted thinking with making a fast profit the only concern and damn the consequences to the environment.

What was the rationale behind planting them? I used to wonder why bogland has so many.

Mr. teddywinkles · 19-04-2019 6:31pm

jasper100 wrote: »

Won't work. A farm support a family, and families support rural communities.

Planting trees on farms mean the land is planted by outside contractors and ignored for 20 years, bar the odd pruning by outside contractors. Farming families are on the land every day spending money locally and supporting the community.

How about they level all the housing estates and plant trees there instead?

Eventually the sun will burn out and the human race will be extinct. Human induced global warming merely shortens the road to extinction. May as well enjoy it while we can.

Ok Mr farmer

Del2005 · 19-04-2019 6:56pm

ancapailldorcha wrote: »

What was the rationale behind planting them? I used to wonder why bogland has so many.

The land wasn't suitable for growing anything else, the trees grow fast so are a fast harvest.

Hedgelayer · 19-04-2019 7:04pm

As a nation we don't appreciate parklands, gardens and tastefully planned out green area's.

Its all about the money which can be made and brown envelopes, red tape and who gets the biggest pat on the back.

Its not hard to create a parkland and maintain it.

I admire how over in the Uk they really appreciate nature their parks and arboretums.

There was a time when Ireland had vast amounts of old estate's with sprawling woodlands and meadows without the imposing walls and ditches you'll see today

Archeron · 19-04-2019 7:13pm

Your Face wrote: »

Look it, if protesting didn't work for the dinosaurs, it's not going to work for us.

It failed because the T-rexs couldn't hold the placards high enough

kowloon · 19-04-2019 7:18pm

Irexit wrote: »

Even Prof Ray Bates from Met Eireann said there is no proof that man made climate change is real.

This is a total non issue to be protesting about.

Username checks out.

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