11 yr/old drag kid worshiped within LGBTQ community (Mod warning op)

Ultros · 05-01-2019 7:42pm

Why is this a surprise to anyone? The political left have been encouraging such behaviour for years now.

Don't like it? Then you're a bigot. You must go through rehabilitation in your closest gender studies class.

DontThankMe · 05-01-2019 7:59pm

Defaulter1831 wrote: »

Allowed to express himself as he wants..interesting concept..

There's a thing called parenting which protects children until they are mature enough to make their own decisions.

Parents can't allow children 'to express themselves as they want'. Fluffy, feel good nonsense.

Sure lets tell the child exactly what they can and cannot do lets control how they behave and control who or what they aspire to be so we can mould them into the person that we(the parents) want them to be. Let's not let them choose their own path in life and decide how they want to express themselves.

That sounds like great parenting to me.

ceadaoin. · 05-01-2019 8:00pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

So dressing up in a girls clothing and dancing is "crossing the line" where do we set the boundary? and who decides what the appropriate boundary is?

Surely it is up to each individual parent as to how they raise their child and choose the boundaries for their behaviour as long as it is legal. While most will argue that the boundaries set by the parents in this case are too extreme. They are the best judges of what boundaries to set in this case because they know their own child better than anyone else and would therefore, be able to set appropriate boundaries for their child.

Who said that it's the dressing up that is crossing a line? I think most people have a problem with the performing in nightclubs and sexualisation aspect of the whole thing.

No 11 year child should be in a nightclub, mimicking drug taking or associating with killers, no matter if the parents think it's ok. I mean there is clearly a middle ground between not allowing your child to express themselves at all and child endangerment. Most parents manage to get it right and those that don't are often subjected to intervention by the authorities

orourkeda1977 · 05-01-2019 8:02pm

This isnt worth comment.

It should speak for itself.

DontThankMe · 05-01-2019 8:06pm

ceadaoin. wrote: »

Who said that it's the dressing up that is crossing a line? I think most people have a problem with the performing in nightclubs and sexualisation aspect of the whole thing.

No 11 year child should be in a nightclub, mimicking drug taking or associating with killers, no matter if the parents think it's ok.

"Desmond is a professional drag performer. No one forces him to perform, performing is what he loves to do and has always loved to do. He was a ballet dancer for four years and is currently earning an A+ grade in drama at his school. He is extremely talented in his celebrity and character impersonations..........................

He often collects tips, as drag queens sometimes do, which we allow him to keep and he uses to buy clothing and the toy trains he wants. His engagements are contracted and booked by his management agency.

All of his performances are conducted in accordance with the Dept of Labor's regulations for child performers. Desmond is never allowed into the bar area of any club, nor the main floor"

It is everyone else that is sexualising it though he is treating it as a job since he is a professional drag queen hence the money being thrown at him as tips for his performance.

Sure mimicking drug taking is not a good thing for him to be doing but that doesn't automatically mean that he is going to become a drug addict in the future. As for him associating with a killer I haven't seen evidence of that in this thread.

Roger Hassenforder · 05-01-2019 8:07pm

Bannasidhe wrote: »

I pointed out girls already are... and have been for a loooong time.

Is it ok if a girl is exposed to a sexualised environment she cannot yet comprehend?

Both are equally awful.

Interesting aside..
I wonder which parent is doing the over sexualization.
Theres no way I (or any chap i know) would buy some of the stuff on sale for (girls) kids.
And i wouldnt regard myself as a prude.

Sleeper12 · 05-01-2019 8:09pm

DontThankMe wrote:

Yeah because that would be illegal. Nothing illegal about what he is doing or has done in the past even if it is reprehensible and inappropriate which is what the vast majority of people in this thread believe it to be.

It would be illegal in a lot of countries for a child to preform in a nightclub. I doubt any club or pub in Ireland would get its licence renewed if they allowed a child to preform like this.

DS86DS · 05-01-2019 8:09pm

Zorya wrote: »

Such a disgusting and degenerate subculture.

ToddyDoody · 05-01-2019 8:13pm

What you're seeing here is a youngster imitating the gay twink culture. I googled gay twink and all you get is porn videos but you can instagram gay twink via http://instagram.com/tags/gaytwink to find a 'clean' and often very interesting collage of people of many ages, though the tendency leans towards younger ages.

In terms of younger ages, there's the dillemma in even just browsing the profiles. That being are they 18. (often it doesn't say) Irregardless, once the kids hit puberty their parents can't really relate to them and to completely cut them off from the adult world for such a teenager can be very lonely and isolating. Plus there's the sheer numbers. 'the young twinks are 10 a penny round here.' (at least on instagram, though geographically can be very sparcely scattered)

Here, its a 12 year old doing Britney in a nightclub. You could just enforce the over 18s only in nightclubs rule. Job done. Go perform at a daytime venue should they wish. Apologies that conventional masculine roles aren't deemed entertaining enough. (the twink thing just happens to be entertaining and a lot play up to it though would often be happier if they were taken a bit more seriously)

DontThankMe · 05-01-2019 8:13pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

It would be illegal in a lot of countries for a child to preform in a nightclub. I doubt any club or pub in Ireland would get its licence renewed if they allowed a child to preform like this.

While that may be the true in other countries it is not true in this instance:

"All of his performances are conducted in accordance with the Dept of Labor's regulations for child performers. Desmond is never allowed into the bar area of any club, nor the main floor. It must be noted, however, that it is not illegal in NYC for a minor to be in an establishment that serves alcohol as long as they are accompanied by an adult."

The Pheasant2 · 05-01-2019 8:14pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

Sure lets tell the child exactly what they can and cannot do lets control how they behave and control who or what they aspire to be so we can mould them into the person that we(the parents) want them to be. Let's not let them choose their own path in life and decide how they want to express themselves.

That sounds like great parenting to me.

You wouldn't know great parenting if it smacked you in the face with a shovel.

Of course parents should encourage children to express their true selves, but within reason, they should be a guide towards a well adjusted adult.

You make an exceedingly facile argument.
Children are dumb and don't know what's best for them - if as an 8 year old I wanted to get SpiderMan's mask tattooed over my face it wouldn't be good parenting to allow that; even if I were to scream that I was expressing my self, it'd still be **** parenting, just like this case is.

banie01 · 05-01-2019 8:16pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

While that may be the true in other countries it is not true in this instance:

"All of his performances are conducted in accordance with the Dept of Labor's regulations for child performers. Desmond is never allowed into the bar area of any club, nor the main floor. It must be noted, however, that it is not illegal in NYC for a minor to be in an establishment that serves alcohol as long as they are accompanied by an adult."

Just because an act is legal, does not make it correct nor does it make it appropriate or even at risk of sounding like a gatekeeper, moral.

cdeb · 05-01-2019 8:18pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

It is everyone else that is sexualising it though he is treating it as a job since he is a professional drag queen hence the money being thrown at him as tips for his performance.

Can you clarify this point - who is not sexualising this, in your opinion? (Or to put it another way, who is "everyone else" here?)

DontThankMe · 05-01-2019 8:20pm

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

Of course parents should encourage children to express their true selves, but within reason, they should be a guide towards a well adjusted adult.

This is very subjective though what constitutes "a well adjusted adult". The parents of this child clearly believe they are causing no harm to the child in allowing him to do what he is doing and we won't know if they are making the right or wrong choices for their child by presumably encouraging him to do what he is doing. Only time will tell if what he is doing now will have a negative effect on his life in the long run.

Zorya · 05-01-2019 8:21pm

The Pheasant2 wrote: »

You wouldn't know great parenting if it smacked you in the face with a shovel.

Of course parents should encourage children to express their true selves, but within reason, they should be a guide towards a well adjusted adult.

You make an exceedingly facile argument.
Children are dumb and don't know what's best for them - if as an 8 year old I wanted to get SpiderMan's mask tattooed over my face it wouldn't be good parenting to allow that; even if I were to scream that I was expressing my self, it'd still be **** parenting, just like this case is.

Unfortunately their argument of putting the child centre stage when it comes to managing the rearing of a child is very much the argument that is winning.

It is a complete reversal of every historic example of elders guiding the young.

Thus children now can socially transition gender without obliging schools to tell parents (as per Scottish education guidelines), and get pubertal blockers and cross sex hormones against their parents wishes (Infants Act in Canada just used in BC Children's Hospital to ensure that).

This is the new vista and anybody who objects is a roaring fascist.

Snotty · 05-01-2019 8:21pm

This has nothing to do with regular LGBT communities and all about pedophiles using the LGBT to continue their sick depraved actions.
The problem is we are so brain washed into being political correct that if something is shoved into the LGBT umbrella, then how could it possible be wrong, and if I think it's wrong, then I must be a homophobic, racist, bigot, etc etc etc.
Bollox, this is wrong on every level, one of the first posters made the best comparison, if this was a 11yr old girl, we wouldn't even be having this conversation, people would be locked up already, but yet we have people her saying, "he can do what every he wants".
He's 11yrs old, 5th class in primary school here, even if this was his choice, which I would bet it is not, is this the path to send your child down to be happy and healthy well rounded adult? **** no.

Sleeper12 · 05-01-2019 8:24pm

DontThankMe wrote:

"All of his performances are conducted in accordance with the Dept of Labor's regulations for child performers. Desmond is never allowed into the bar area of any club, nor the main floor. It must be noted, however, that it is not illegal in NYC for a minor to be in an establishment that serves alcohol as long as they are accompanied by an adult."

I don't doubt you. It doesn't say a lot for countries that allow it. Boy /girl, straight /gay it shouldn't be allowed. The night club owners need to take a long look at themselves. I don't buy into the paedophile thing. Gay men are attracted to gay men but the gay men & women attending these shows aren't doing the gay community any favours.

Omackeral · 05-01-2019 8:25pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

Sure lets tell the child exactly what they can and cannot do

That sounds like great parenting to me.

I know you're being sarcastic but that literally is a focal part of actual parenting.

Omackeral · 05-01-2019 8:27pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

It is everyone else that is sexualising it though he is treating it as a job since he is a professional drag queen hence the money being thrown at him as tips for his performance.

Read that back to yourself about three times. Seriously. It's an 11 year old child.

DontThankMe · 05-01-2019 8:34pm

cdeb wrote: »

Can you clarify this point - who is not sexualising this, in your opinion? (Or to put it another way, who is "everyone else" here?)

I'm on mobile so it would be difficult for me to multi quote previous posts in this thread. I believe I was wrong in saying everyone here but some of posters have made it clear that they view his performance in the nightclub as the sexualisation of the child in this case equating his performance to that of a stripper in a nightclub that is if I am interpreting their posts correctly.

DontThankMe · 05-01-2019 8:37pm

Omackeral wrote: »

Read that back to yourself about three times. Seriously. It's an 11 year old child.

An 11 year old child doing a job that they want to do and if the payment for their job happens to be thrown at them during their performance then so be it.

The Pheasant2 · 05-01-2019 8:37pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

This is very subjective though what constitutes "a well adjusted adult". The parents of this child clearly believe they are causing no harm to the child in allowing him to do what he is doing and we won't know if they are making the right or wrong choices for their child by presumably encouraging him to do what he is doing. Only time will tell if what he is doing now will have a negative effect on his life in the long run.

Happy to concede that what constitutes a well adjusted adult is subjective, but would you not agree exposure to the nightclub scene, sexualisation and drug taking are fairly universally accepted to be corruptive to children, and their early exposure to such things are not conducive to developing well adjusted adults?

cdeb · 05-01-2019 8:38pm

I think you are interpreting their posts correctly.

I think you would also be interpreting the video linked correctly. This is above and beyond a mere drag queen performance. This is way closer to lap-dancing. The twerking in just shorts is also far beyond drag queen-ism.

I think you're very wrong to say that there is no sexualisation inherent in the kid's performance, if that is what you are suggesting.

HappyAsLarE · 05-01-2019 8:39pm

This is liberal progressives obviously going too far. It is not always obvious when it goes too far. It is in this case.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 05-01-2019 8:40pm

DS86DS wrote: »

What a load of nonsense. Typical anti-American and anti-Trump rubbish.

If these people were serious about the security of their children, they would not have risked their children's lives travelling thousands of miles across dangerous terrain and sweltering heat. But they did so anyway.

And there claims of asylum are false. Asylum means seeking refuge in the first country you enter. They not only didn't do that, but they continued to ignore the will of US sovereignty in crossing the border.

Trump and America have every right to enforce border security and the integrity of the United States. It is not anybody else's fault that these people choose to not only ignore US constitutional law, but the countless warnings they were given.

Just a mite off topic there, buddy.

DS86DS · 05-01-2019 8:40pm

HappyAsLarE wrote: »

This is liberal progressives obviously going too far. It is not always obvious when it goes too far. It is in this case.

Liberals never know when they've gone too far. They put ideological fanaticism above human life.

DaverageJoe · 05-01-2019 8:41pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

An 11 year old child doing a job that they want to do and if the payment for their job happens to be thrown at them during their performance then so be it.

How you can keep saying this stuff without seeing what's wrong with it is insane.

Throwing money at an 11 year old boy to have him dance and perform for you while dressed as a girl in a gay bar is all fine and above board because he's being fairly reimbursed by said money that's being thrown at him?

Jumbo2018 · 05-01-2019 8:41pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

Tis a bit OTT alright but if it's what he wants to do then it's what he wants to do.

I wanted to drive the car home from school when I was 11, should my parents have let me.

tayto lover · 05-01-2019 8:43pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

An 11 year old child doing a job that they want to do and if the payment for their job happens to be thrown at them during their performance then so be it.

Are you on a wind-up?

Horny gay men looking at an 11 year old child doing anything is just never right.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 05-01-2019 8:43pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

An 11 year old child doing a job that they want to do and if the payment for their job happens to be thrown at them during their performance then so be it.

What if they “want” to have sex? If that’s the job they like.

Noveight · 05-01-2019 8:45pm

tayto lover wrote: »

Are you on a wind-up?

I sincerely hope (and expect) that he is.

Omackeral · 05-01-2019 8:45pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

I'm on mobile so it would be difficult for me to multi quote previous posts in this thread.

Allow me to use that multi-quote and then maybe you might see something that's seemingly crystal clear to everyone else.

DontThankMe wrote: »

in this case equating his performance to that of a stripper in a nightclub that is if I am interpreting their posts correctly.

To wit;

DontThankMe wrote: »

An 11 year old child doing a job that they want to do and if the payment for their job happens to be thrown at them during their performance then so be it.

FFS! I sincerely hope you're ripping the p*ss.

whisky_galore · 05-01-2019 8:45pm

Christ.
You wouldn't see sh1t like this in Bangkok, let alone the States.

Weird and downright unsettling.

Zorya · 05-01-2019 8:47pm

Cosmic Horror wrote: »

Getting some bad vibes off you buddy...You wouldn't be the kind of man who enjoys seeing little boys perform in drag by any chance?

Just as an aside please don't say anything that will get you banned, because that will just mean a very fine forum user name is forever gone. Be careful!

Omackeral · 05-01-2019 8:48pm

Let me just quote this insanity again.

DontThankMe wrote: »

equating his performance to that of a stripper in a nightclub

DontThankMe wrote: »

An 11 year old child doing a job that they want to do and if the payment for their job happens to be thrown at them during their performance then so be it.

DontThankMe · 05-01-2019 8:48pm

DaverageJoe wrote: »

How you can keep saying this stuff without seeing what's wrong with it is insane.

Throwing money at an 11 year old boy to have him dance and perform for you while dressed as a girl in a gay bar is all fine and above board because he's being fairly reimbursed by said money that's being thrown at him?

He is undertaking a job as professional drag performer:

"The truth is, Desmond is a professional drag performer. No one forces him to perform, performing is what he loves to do and has always loved to do."

Correct me if I'm wrong as I have never seen a professional drag performance but, I believe it is the norm for the audience to throw money at the performer during their performance in the US. Therefore this is why the money is being thrown at him and I have no problem with it because it is what is usually done during a drag performance.

Franz Von Peppercorn · 05-01-2019 8:49pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

He is undertaking a job as professional drag performer:

"The truth is, Desmond is a professional drag performer. No one forces him to perform, performing is what he loves to do and has always loved to do."

Correct me if I'm wrong as I have never seen a professional drag performance but, I believe it is the norm for the audience to throw money at the performer during their performance in the US. Therefore this is why the money is being thrown at him and I have no problem with it because it is what is usually done during a drag performance.

Except. This. Is. A. Child.

Omackeral · 05-01-2019 8:50pm

Cosmic Horror wrote: »

Getting some bad vibes off you buddy...You wouldn't be the kind of man who enjoys seeing little boys perform in drag by any chance?

Zorya wrote: »

Just as an aside please don't say anything that will get you banned, because that will just mean a very fine forum user name is forever gone. Be careful!

Don't see why Cosmic Horror should be banned for that comment. The other user is openly and freely defending and rationalising this stuff down to the ground so maybe he/she would like it himself/herself. Anyone who would like it would give me bad vibes to tbh.

DontThankMe · 05-01-2019 8:50pm

Jumbo2018 wrote: »

I wanted to drive the car home from school when I was 11, should my parents have let me.

No because that would have been illegal and dangerous for you to do.

Zorya · 05-01-2019 8:50pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

He is undertaking a job as professional drag performer:

"The truth is, Desmond is a professional drag performer. No one forces him to perform, performing is what he loves to do and has always loved to do."

Correct me if I'm wrong as I have never seen a professional drag performance but, I believe it is the norm for the audience to throw money at the performer during their performance in the US. Therefore this is why the money is being thrown at him and I have no problem with it because it is what is usually done during a drag performance.

You are wrong. Desmond is a child. (See that mark after child. It's a full stop.)

The Pheasant2 · 05-01-2019 8:51pm

Noveight wrote: »

I sincerely hope (and expect) that he is.

Frighteningly enough it doesn't appear that they are...

Mam of 4 · 05-01-2019 8:51pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

He is undertaking a job as professional drag performer:

"The truth is, Desmond is a professional drag performer. No one forces him to perform, performing is what he loves to do and has always loved to do."

Correct me if I'm wrong as I have never seen a professional drag performance but, I believe it is the norm for the audience to throw money at the performer during their performance in the US. Therefore this is why the money is being thrown at him and I have no problem with it because it is what is usually done during a drag performance.

Any drag shows I've seen , or read about are adult men in drag , not a young child who is exactly that - a child , impressionable , vulnerable , easy to manipulate in wanting to please parents , and others .

tayto lover · 05-01-2019 8:52pm

The parents and club owners should be charged with putting a child in danger in this instance.

The Pheasant2 · 05-01-2019 8:54pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

No because that would have been illegal and dangerous for you to do.

And if it wasn't illegal it'd still be dangerous yeah?

Just like this could still be dangerous for the child's development even though it falls within the law

Legality is not the arbiter of right/wrong

pleas advice · 05-01-2019 8:54pm

Sleeper12 wrote: »

The kid isn't even a good dancer

Bravo!

Omackeral · 05-01-2019 8:55pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

An 11 year old child doing a job that they want to do and if the payment for their job happens to be thrown at them during their performance then so be it.

Imagine leaving this poster in charge of your children/nephew/nieces. The ''then so be it'' at the end says it all really. Scary.

DontThankMe · 05-01-2019 8:56pm

Cosmic Horror wrote: »

A young boy dancing in front of a pack of horny gay men is not also illegal and dangerous?

You are assuming that everyone at the performance was a "horny gay man" and we do not know if that is the truth or not.

It was not illegal as they complied with the laws of that state.

"All of his performances are conducted in accordance with the Dept of Labor's regulations for child performers."

05-01-2019 8:57pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

He is undertaking a job as professional drag performer:

"The truth is, Desmond is a professional drag performer. No one forces him to perform, performing is what he loves to do and has always loved to do."

Correct me if I'm wrong as I have never seen a professional drag performance but, I believe it is the norm for the audience to throw money at the performer during their performance in the US. Therefore this is why the money is being thrown at him and I have no problem with it because it is what is usually done during a drag performance.

Is there any way I can I unthank this??

Rhetorical question

cdeb · 05-01-2019 8:57pm

DontThankMe wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong as I have never seen a professional drag performance but, I believe it is the norm for the audience to throw money at the performer during their performance in the US. Therefore this is why the money is being thrown at him and I have no problem with it because it is what is usually done during a drag performance.

It's also what is usually done at a lap dance.

Why do you choose to see it as one but not the other?

HappyAsLarE · 05-01-2019 8:59pm

This may be a personal attack, but DontThankMe, you are a bit twisted in the head.

11 yr/old drag kid worshiped within LGBTQ community (Mod warning op)

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