903 new safety camera zones

mikeecho · 12-02-2020 10:36pm

Kevin Irving wrote: »

I'm not anti speed camera, but I have a big issue with their implementation. As far as I'm concerned, it's up to the RSA to justify how our money is spent, and I've yet to see any data to show that 56km/h is actually more dangerous than 50km/h, all variables considered. The reason I'm picking these out is because of the hundred of kilometers I drive every week, the only place I see cameras are in 50km/h zones.

It's far more complex than more speed = more danger, and I'd like to see that reflected in our roads policing.

In fact, if I had my way, I'd have average speed cameras on all busy motorways, and on selected N and R roads nationwide. I would be in favour of on the spot bans (and taking the car for the duration) for people who take the mick on offenes like YouTube or seatbelts.

You know as well as I do that they park in locations where they're difficult to be seen, behind walls in particular.

All I asked was for some data to show their effectiveness in reducing road deaths, and you somehow bring Trump into it.

1. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, I'm not sure what else it can be. I'm not normally a Daily Mail reader, but this highlights GoSafe's political links.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1333766/Speed-camera-tycoon-Xavier-McAuliffe-caught-speeding-twice-week.html

2.
Measuring somethings effectiveness by how much money it costs is an interesting way of doing it. "Hey Joe Public, look how much of your money we're spending in order to make our roads safer."

Refuting the "flash for cash" argument by stating that they're loss making, assumes that we're getting absolutely the best possible value for money.

The Children's Hospital, Broadband plan, National Stadium, Luas, MetroLink to name but a few recent state contracts, would indicate a pattern of the state blindly overspending, in an effort to show some kind of progress in each.

Given the cost, I'd much prefer to see comprehensive data to show their effectiveness, that isn't collated together with safer cars, better roads, etc.

3. Not directly no, but the contract is far harder to justify at renewal time if the net cost increases.

The long and short of it ..
It's cheaper to outsource the hours of mobile camera vans than to do it in house.

Instead of paying a Garda wage, buying and maintaining the vans and equipment etc etc etc.. you get a company that has people on minimum wage.
The company gets their cut, and AGS doesn't have any of the headaches.

It's a financial loss.. but less of a loss than having it run completely by AGS.

Edit.. oh, we're saving lives thus money .. maybe, maybe not.

uck51js9zml2yt · 12-02-2020 11:33pm

Dravokivich wrote: »

The faster you drive, the less time on the road, less chance of being in an accident if you arent on the road as long.

Yes that 60 seconds saved on your journey will cause less traffic accidents but the extra speed might stop you braking for a child. But that's ok, they are replaceable in 9 months or so.

AndrewJRenko · 13-02-2020 12:18am

Kevin Irving wrote: »

I'm not anti speed camera, but I have a big issue with their implementation. As far as I'm concerned, it's up to the RSA to justify how our money is spent, and I've yet to see any data to show that 56km/h is actually more dangerous than 50km/h, all variables considered. The reason I'm picking these out is because of the hundred of kilometers I drive every week, the only place I see cameras are in 50km/h zones.

It's far more complex than more speed = more danger, and I'd like to see that reflected in our roads policing.

In fact, if I had my way, I'd have average speed cameras on all busy motorways, and on selected N and R roads nationwide. I would be in favour of on the spot bans (and taking the car for the duration) for people who take the mick on offenes like YouTube or seatbelts.

You know as well as I do that they park in locations where they're difficult to be seen, behind walls in particular.

All I asked was for some data to show their effectiveness in reducing road deaths, and you somehow bring Trump into it.

1. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, I'm not sure what else it can be. I'm not normally a Daily Mail reader, but this highlights GoSafe's political links.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1333766/Speed-camera-tycoon-Xavier-McAuliffe-caught-speeding-twice-week.html

2.
Measuring somethings effectiveness by how much money it costs is an interesting way of doing it. "Hey Joe Public, look how much of your money we're spending in order to make our roads safer."

Refuting the "flash for cash" argument by stating that they're loss making, assumes that we're getting absolutely the best possible value for money.

The Children's Hospital, Broadband plan, National Stadium, Luas, MetroLink to name but a few recent state contracts, would indicate a pattern of the state blindly overspending, in an effort to show some kind of progress in each.

Given the cost, I'd much prefer to see comprehensive data to show their effectiveness, that isn't collated together with safer cars, better roads, etc.

3. Not directly no, but the contract is far harder to justify at renewal time if the net cost increases.

Political connections? It says 'he was a supporter of Bertie Ahern'. So from that you've deduced there was corruption involved? Really?

Do you need help in understanding the difference between building a hospital or a tram network, and running some speed vans?

Totofan99 · 13-02-2020 8:26am

I'd love to know how they're going to park camera vans in the Jack Lynch and Limerick tunnels

AhHaor · 13-02-2020 10:35am

The N4 and then going south on the m50 is a joke. If you do 60 there you'll have someone up your rear flashing etc. I get why it needs to be 60 for liffey valley and others going south on m50. The RSA needs to be started again, and huge emphasis on culture change, drink driving is vastly reduced, but mobile phone usage is rampant.

Proper shock ads required, follow up on crashes, attribute blame and reasons for crash.

lertsnim · 13-02-2020 11:24am

AhHaor wrote: »

Proper shock ads required, follow up on crashes, attribute blame and reasons for crash.

The graphic ads need to come back. The one always on with the mother, nurse etc. has lost any impact it might have had. Agree entirely on the cause of a crash being released.

Seth Brundle · 13-02-2020 11:41am

AhHaor wrote: »

The N4 and then going south on the m50 is a joke. If you do 60 there you'll have someone up your rear flashing etc. I get why it needs to be 60 for liffey valley and others going south on m50.

Overhead cameras might work there but you obviously couldn't place a van there.
As for someone flashing you, having used this stretch for many years, people generally only flash you if you're in the right lane of the two slip lanes (as you leave the N4). If you're not overtaking then you shouldn't be in the right lane.
But lane discipline is one of the many things that Irish drivers don't have difficulty with.

AhHaor wrote: »

The RSA needs to be started again, and huge emphasis on culture change, drink driving is vastly reduced, but mobile phone usage is rampant.

Proper shock ads required, follow up on crashes, attribute blame and reasons for crash.

We all know the reasons. Speed, tiredness, drink, drugs and so on. Doesn't make a difference though - people continue to do these things.
Currently the RSA are showing drivers ads about giving space when passing cyclists. Still doesn't mean that people listen and continue to pass dangerously.

lertsnim wrote: »

The graphic ads need to come back. The one always on with the mother, nurse etc. has lost any impact it might have had. Agree entirely on the cause of a crash being released.

Personally I'm not convinced that adverts have much of an effect. AFAIK, enforcement is the only solution!

AhHaor · 13-02-2020 11:57am

Seth Brundle wrote: »

Overhead cameras might work there but you obviously couldn't place a van there.
As for someone flashing you, having used this stretch for many years, people generally only flash you if you're in the right lane of the two slip lanes (as you leave the N4). If you're not overtaking then you shouldn't be in the right lane.
But lane discipline is one of the many things that Irish drivers don't have difficulty with.

I'm talking about the N4 as you approach the split for two m50 directions and town, that 2 lane slip road is actually 30km/hr!

Seth Brundle · 13-02-2020 12:03pm

AhHaor wrote: »

I'm talking about the N4 as you approach the split for two m50 directions and town, that 2 lane slip road is actually 30km/hr!

I am aware of where you're referring to and it is 60km/h.
Further on it drops to 30km/h and I also understand why it is reduced.
Maybe think why the speed limit is set at that level (hint: something to do with a big tight bend?).

Dravokivich · 13-02-2020 3:37pm

AhHaor wrote: »

The N4 and then going south on the m50 is a joke. If you do 60 there you'll have someone up your rear flashing etc. I get why it needs to be 60 for liffey valley and others going south on m50. The RSA needs to be started again, and huge emphasis on culture change, drink driving is vastly reduced, but mobile phone usage is rampant.

Proper shock ads required, follow up on crashes, attribute blame and reasons for crash.

I've never had a problem keeping to the speed limit there and feel it should be 60 from further back, as people merging from the Hermitage are expected to merge into an 80 zone, that pretty much immediately reduces to a 60 zone. But sure screw'em they can flash all they want, I'll only slow down if someone is trying to push me.

Even this morning, I was coming up to a yield and slowing down, to allow the other drivers with right of way to proceed, but lo and behold, they flash to "permit me to pass," and everyone gives out to me for yielding.

Incident reports need to be published, so we can all learn from the causes of accidents. It annoys me greatly that it isn't done. I genuinely don't care who's to blame. It can all be anonymised, Driver A/B/C whatever.

Duckjob · 13-02-2020 4:54pm

firstlight wrote: »

Look there s a road I use everyday
The Cavan road towards Dublin
Speed drops to 100 from 120 and within 100/200 yards there's a camera
Catch cars out
And trucks that might be on the limiter at 88/89
No change in the road
Purely there for revenue

Then the roads that aren't safe they have at 100 kph
Now you couldn't do that if you tryed because your car would be destroyed from the dips and hollows in the road

The whole road speed network needs a revision
Alter speed s on roads that are safe to do so

Perhaps an altered speed zone on motorways when their clear and empty you can do 150

Modern cars will happily sit at that speed and be safe

It's not the cars that are the problem - its the fools behind the wheel whose sense of entitlement / macho / self importance so often far outweighs their driving competence.

Take even a single metric - the number of incidents on the M50 every day of every week. Drivers can't even drive safely at 50kph for sh*t. What makes you think they'll do any better with the same proven incompetence at 150kph ?

masterboy123 · 13-02-2020 4:56pm

I saw on the site, these zones are available for Google maps.
Is it possible to download them on my Google maps?
Thanks

greenfield21 · 13-02-2020 8:27pm

I see two lines on the m3, has there ever been published locations on that motorway before?are these vans going to be regular?. I've been commuting on it for years and never seen a speed van or gardai car even. I go during commuting hours so maybe they feel pity for poor sods going to work.always looks like less speed traps when driving during rush hour. Obviously traffic would reduce their income.

Vicxas · 13-02-2020 8:48pm

masterboy123 wrote: »

I saw on the site, these zones are available for Google maps.
Is it possible to download them on my Google maps?
Thanks

It's on the Garda website

masterboy123 · 13-02-2020 11:27pm

I can see the roads on the website. But is there a way that Google maps will alert me when I enter the camera zone?

Vicxas wrote: »

It's on the Garda website

firstlight · 13-02-2020 11:37pm

Duckjob wrote: »

It's not the cars that are the problem - its the fools behind the wheel whose sense of entitlement / macho / self importance so often far outweighs their driving competence.

Take even a single metric - the number of incidents on the M50 every day of every week. Drivers can't even drive safely at 50kph for sh*t. What makes you think they'll do any better with the same proven incompetence at 150kph ?

I know it's the cabbages behind the wheel,best thing I did lately was buy a dash cam,great investment

Sure they won't,they will still drive about 65/75 in a 150 zone,like stationary objects on the motorway

I was joining a motorway today and no joke got stuck behind a woman tryna join onto a 120 zone at about 40/45 kph

Looked like a startled fox when I passed,had to look twice to make sure she was alive

vectra · 14-02-2020 2:27am

masterboy123 wrote: »

I saw on the site, these zones are available for Google maps.
Is it possible to download them on my Google maps?
Thanks

Vicxas wrote: »

It's on the Garda website

I am sure the poster was asking how to do it?
I would also like to know how it is done to Google maps or Waze.

Seth Brundle · 14-02-2020 9:42am

Might this be of use?
Anyhow, these will point to the location of the go Safe vans but won't the gardai continue to use their own vans in other locations. Plus they have their usual speed traps and ANPR cars with speed detection built in.
So if you plan on exceeding the speed limit then maybe focus more on what's ahead and around you rather than what you phone is showing!

Don199 · 14-02-2020 7:32pm

Is there even any lee way with the go safe vans any more?how much over would you have to be doing to warrant a ticket?

i57dwun4yb1pt8 · 16-02-2020 1:37am

Looks like the boys in blue are sitting on the overpasses now, instead of the on ramps,
as they dont need to chase you down anymore. Ive seen a few on the m9.

I think the jig is up...

Hobo Sapiens · 16-02-2020 9:50pm

Is this map of the 'safety camera' zones working for anyone?

https://www.garda.ie/gosafe.html

The older version illustrated the roads where cameras could be located, but this version is just a regular map (on Chrome/Firefox on Windwos/Android).

Hobo Sapiens · 16-02-2020 9:50pm

Is this map of the 'safety camera' zones working for anyone?

https://www.garda.ie/gosafe.html

The older version illustrated the roads where cameras could be located, but this version is just a regular map (on Chrome/Firefox on Windows/Android).

punisher5112 · 16-02-2020 10:33pm

DaDumTish wrote: »

Looks like the boys in blue are sitting on the overpasses now, instead of the on ramps,
as they dont need to chase you down anymore. Ive seen a few on the m9.

I think the jig is up...

Yes there will be some amount of head scratching going on....

Mantis Toboggan · 17-02-2020 9:59am

When I click on the link I'm just getting a normal map of Ireland?

Vicxas · 17-02-2020 10:10am

When i use the map of the zones, the new and old are the same colour, anyone else having the same problem?

Micky 32 · 17-02-2020 10:49am

DaDumTish wrote: »

Looks like the boys in blue are sitting on the overpasses now, instead of the on ramps,
as they dont need to chase you down anymore. Ive seen a few on the m9.

I think the jig is up...

Aye, it seems the baloney they spin about flashing other drivers because they could be criminals or disqualified drivers was a load of BS, a lot of these will slip through the net if they aren’t stopping the drivers.

I can tell you i’ll burn out my headlights to warn drivers. It’s really people versus the cops these days

mburke · 17-02-2020 11:06am

Hobo Sapiens wrote: »

Is this map of the 'safety camera' zones working for anyone?

https://www.garda.ie/gosafe.html

The older version illustrated the roads where cameras could be located, but this version is just a regular map (on Chrome/Firefox on Windows/Android).

I have the same issue, I get the google map but no markings to highlight the new areas.

17-02-2020 11:13am

Hobo Sapiens wrote: »

Is this map of the 'safety camera' zones working for anyone?

https://www.garda.ie/gosafe.html

The older version illustrated the roads where cameras could be located, but this version is just a regular map (on Chrome/Firefox on Windwos/Android).

Not working for me either. Just a blank map.

Seth Brundle · 17-02-2020 12:19pm

Micky 32 wrote: »

I can tell you i’ll burn out my headlights to warn drivers. It’s really people versus the cops these days

Honestly, are you really old enough to have a licence? :rolleyes:

AndrewJRenko · 17-02-2020 12:37pm

Micky 32 wrote: »

I can tell you i’ll burn out my headlights to warn drivers. It’s really people versus the cops these days

Speak for yourself. With the death toll on the roads, I'm with the cops on this one.

903 new safety camera zones

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