903 new safety camera zones

AnCatDubh

Don't see a thread on them yet. Apologies if its a duplicate.

903 new safety camera zones from 6am on 17 February 2020.- Gosafe Map - link Basically the entire county :pac:

Source: Garda on facebook and their website

Lundstram

Pure greed.

No more, no less.

colm_mcm

How many more cameras though?

Toyotafanboi

Exactly, if there's no additional camera vans then the odds are actually lessened?

mikeecho

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Exactly, if there's no additional camera vans then the odds are actually lessened?

Are these new camera zones bring introduced to facilitate the use of the new camera speed guns that AGS got recently ?

Del2005

mikeecho wrote: »

Are these new camera zones bring introduced to facilitate the use of the new camera speed guns that AGS got recently ?

AGS can set up anywhere, this is for Go Safe.

Patrick2010

Saw a speed van parked outside St James hospital this morning at 6.45, up the hill from Mount Brown service station on the same side. A line of traffic doing around 40 kmh, assume thats a 50 zone?

Vicxas

You literally cannot get in or out of Navan without the odds of a speed van being there....

Irishphotodesk

With the removal of 500ish previous zones, does this mean that people who acquired points at these areas would be able to appeal, given the gardai have determined these areas are not suitable for a speed safety measure.

Ps. I have zero points currently and hope to keep it that way.

Xwebstar

Can't see the point of all this handing out maps

Drivers speeding then where there's no vans

Seth Brundle

Irishphotodesk wrote: »

With the removal of 500ish previous zones, does this mean that people who acquired points at these areas would be able to appeal, given the gardai have determined these areas are not suitable for a speed safety measure.

Of course there would be absolutely no grounds for an appeal on this basis.

MaceFace

For a moment, to play devils advocate but make two serious points...

The road outside my estate which my house if very very close to is a 50 zone. Cars often do 60+ there. At night you can hear cars do significantly more and I have seen cars do what looks like close to 100.
For cars pulling out of my estate, the visibility is poor due to a high wall with small gap. Kids play football on the estate side of the wall.
This is my neighbourhood and I hate that people put my friends and family in danger by going over the speed limits and risking accidents.


Other point - I see this all the time - on the N7, but could be anywhere. Cars race up doing 120 in 100 zone. Traffic moving along nicely at the marked 100. The faster cars reach traffic, break, and bunch everything together. Cars doing 100 in the inside or middle lane can't get space to move out and overtake cars doing 80-100 due to the traffic congestion, making the situation worse.
If those cars stuck to 100, more people would have a chance of overtaking and relieving the pinch points around junctions and slower moving vehicles.

Xwebstar

The system clearly isn't working as evidenced by speeding drivers everywhere

The vans need to be in random locations

punisher5112

Don't forget Gardai roads policing are been kitted out with new tech too.

They will no longer need to pull you over and you may well receive the fine in the post as the equipment records the speed and registration.

Xwebstar

punisher5112 wrote: »

Don't forget Gardai roads policing are been kitted out with new tech too.

They will no longer need to pull you over and you may well receive the fine in the post as the equipment records the speed and registration.

Can they check tax and NCT with the new kit

punisher5112

Xwebstar wrote: »

Can they check tax and NCT with the new kit

With the new phone units they can.

With the Lazer I don't believe so.

Del2005

Xwebstar wrote: »

Can they check tax and NCT with the new kit

They already can with ANPR. We just need an insurance database to get the uninsured next.

CrabRevolution

Irishphotodesk wrote: »

With the removal of 500ish previous zones, does this mean that people who acquired points at these areas would be able to appeal, given the gardai have determined these areas are not suitable for a speed safety measure.

Ps. I have zero points currently and hope to keep it that way.

Doubt it.

By the same logic, couldn't the state lower speed limits on certain roads and retrospectively charge you for speeding despite the fact you were obeying the then speed limit?

Del2005

MaceFace wrote: »

For a moment, to play devils advocate but make two serious points...

The road outside my estate which my house if very very close to is a 50 zone. Cars often do 60+ there. At night you can hear cars do significantly more and I have seen cars do what looks like close to 100.
For cars pulling out of my estate, the visibility is poor due to a high wall with small gap. Kids play football on the estate side of the wall.
This is my neighbourhood and I hate that people put my friends and family in danger by going over the speed limits and risking accidents.


Other point - I see this all the time - on the N7, but could be anywhere. Cars race up doing 120 in 100 zone. Traffic moving along nicely at the marked 100. The faster cars reach traffic, break, and bunch everything together. Cars doing 100 in the inside or middle lane can't get space to move out and overtake cars doing 80-100 due to the traffic congestion, making the situation worse.
If those cars stuck to 100, more people would have a chance of overtaking and relieving the pinch points around junctions and slower moving vehicles.

You rarely see speed checks in estates and IMO they would be better there than on an N road or motorway. People rarely stick to the 50 limits and never the 30 limit. The ironic thing is that a lot of motorists are doing 80km/h on 100 limit roads and give you dirty looks if you overtake them, the same vehicle will be up your arse when you slow down to 50. Prime example is the N4 between the M50 and M4 which has regular speed checks there so most people stick with the limit, turn up the R136 and they ignore the limit.

If people stuck in the left lane unless overtaking it would reduce congestion. I've often driven past lines of cars in the outer lanes while doing the speed limit in the empty inside lane.

Micky 32

punisher5112 wrote: »

Don't forget Gardai roads policing are been kitted out with new tech too.

They will no longer need to pull you over and you may well receive the fine in the post as the equipment records the speed and registration.

How does the new kit work, can they detect you head on say you were doing 81 in a 80 and met a cop car on the road coming toward you?

dmc17

Micky 32 wrote: »

How does the new kit work, can they detect you head on say you were doing 81 in a 80 and met a cop car on the road coming toward you?

I believe it's just new handheld speed guns which can take photos and capture reg similar to the GoSafe vans

TuringBot47

Xwebstar wrote: »

The system clearly isn't working as evidenced by speeding drivers everywhere

The vans need to be in random locations

A much better system for large road/motorways would be average speed cameras. Throw a few of them along all the major national roads and motorways and watch the (at least Irish reg) Audis and BMWs slow down.

Micky 32

I see they will be on the M4 going into Dublin, all the way on the M50 to the airport and N4 going up to the M50 roundabout. Nice little cash earner there.

Alun

I've been looking at the list of old and new camera zones a bit more closely, paying attention to roads near me, and it all looks a bit odd to me.

They claim, for example for the R755, a road I'm very familiar with and know all their hiding spots by now, that there are 2 "new" zones which have been there for years, and none at all in the existing list. Plus there's a spot where they can almost always be found, just as you enter Roundwood which isn't mentioned at all.

Micky 32

Alun wrote: »

I've been looking at the list of old and new camera zones a bit more closely, paying attention to roads near me, and it all looks a bit odd to me.

They claim, for example for the R755, a road I'm very familiar with and know all their hiding spots by now, that there are 2 "new" zones which have been there for years, and none at all in the existing list. Plus there's a spot where they can almost always be found, just as you enter Roundwood which isn't mentioned at all.

575 zones removed, probably not making enough cash.

Alun

Micky 32 wrote: »

575 zones removed, probably not making enough cash.

Maybe, but that doesn't explain the two zones that are being shown as "new" having been there for years.

TuringBot47

Micky 32 wrote: »

575 zones removed, probably not making enough cash.

But isn't that the point ?

Not making cash means they successfully reduced the number of speeders.

Micky 32

dmc17 wrote: »

I believe it's just new handheld speed guns which can take photos and capture reg similar to the GoSafe vans

Ah so that means cars without tax or insurance, disqualified drivers, cars with your loot in the boot , defective vehicles are more likely not to be stopped because of this new tech?


You then have the so called Gardai urging people not to flash other drivers for this apparent reason LOL

Alun

TuringBot47 wrote: »

Not making cash means they successfully reduced the number of speeders.

Or that there wasn't a significant number of speeders on that section in the first place and any accidents there had other causes.

Micky 32

TuringBot47 wrote: »

But isn't that the point ?

Not making cash means they successfully reduced the number of speeders.

Well if you want to think you’re in a perfect world, ok then lets go with that theory ;-)

Irishphotodesk

Micky 32 wrote: »

I see they will be on the M4 going into Dublin, all the way on the M50 to the airport and N4 going up to the M50 roundabout. Nice little cash earner there.

Pity they are unlikely to also target the bus lane drivers during morning traffic, I counted 15 vehicles this morning between celbridge and Lucan exits (some with indicator on for left, some with hazard lights on and some just driving in bus lane) ... All driving in bus lane while I plodded along in slow moving traffic.

I don't have a problem with gardai enforcing the law (even if it is seen as a cash generator) but don't just pick one offence and concentrate on that, full enforcement and zero tolerance policy when policing a zone, encourage a change in driver behaviour.
Blitz drivers ...catch as many as possible and encourage no excuses, one of my headlights went last night on my commute home, I haven't changed it yet but if I'm caught ... I know it's my fault for not fixing it, I have zero ability when it comes to this sort of thing,so I will try to book the car with the mechanic asap, it is in need of a service soon enough too.

It always surprises me that the gardai don't blitz areas .... IE.have a speed camera set up, and 5mins further down the road have a checkpoint for tax/insurance, NCT etc

earlytobed

Lundstram wrote: »

Pure greed.

No more, no less.

Gosafe make lots of money, but at a cost to the taxpayer

The consortium was paid €17.27million in 2017, of which €7.5million was recouped for the Exchequer through fines paid by motorists.

Operating at a €10 million loss

punisher5112

earlytobed wrote: »

Gosafe make lots of money, but at a cost to the taxpayer

The consortium was paid €17.27million in 2017, of which €7.5million was recouped for the Exchequer through fines paid by motorists.

Operating at a €10 million loss

It's actually laughable to be honest.....

The state are going mad to privatise everything and in the end it ends up costing way more.

Xwebstar

They must.be catching f**" all if they're losing that much money

Gosafe van should easily pay for itself in the right locations

Seth Brundle

earlytobed wrote: »

Gosafe make lots of money, but at a cost to the taxpayer

The consortium was paid €17.27million in 2017, of which €7.5million was recouped for the Exchequer through fines paid by motorists.

Operating at a €10 million loss

based on figures that are probably about 15-20 years old now, each fatality on our roads costed €1,000,000.
Surely the loss on paper is actually not a real loss?

punisher5112 wrote: »

It's actually laughable to be honest.....

The state are going mad to privatise everything and in the end it ends up costing way more.

How so?
It has freed up garda resources and also helps keep the fatality rate down

earlytobed

Xwebstar wrote: »

They must.be catching f**" all if they're losing that much money

Gosafe van should easily pay for itself in the right locations

They're not necessarily there to "catch" people, they are supposed to have a role in changing behaviour.

They're often in a spot that can be seen well before you come into range

earlytobed

Seth Brundle wrote: »

based on figures that are probably about 15-20 years old now, each fatality on our roads costed €1,000,000.
Surely the loss on paper is actually not a real loss?


How so?
It has freed up garda resources and also helps keep the fatality rate down

The figures quoted are 2017

Xwebstar

Where's that costing of €1 million per fatality coming.from?

Seth Brundle

Xwebstar wrote: »

Where's that costing of €1 million per fatality coming.from?

C5.3 Accident Costs - RSA.ie

McGrath5

Glad to see a main road nearby to me is on the map, it's a 50 kmh zone but the speed some drivers do is disgraceful.

punisher5112

Seth Brundle wrote: »

based on figures that are probably about 15-20 years old now, each fatality on our roads costed €1,000,000.
Surely the loss on paper is actually not a real loss?


How so?
It has freed up garda resources and also helps keep the fatality rate down

Have you seen any Garda freed up from this???

Eh no as traffic corp numbers dropped ... Obviously now called roads policing as of the 1 million etc breathalyser checks done under the old that actually weren't carried out....

Laughable

CrabRevolution

punisher5112 wrote: »

It's actually laughable to be honest.....

The state are going mad to privatise everything and in the end it ends up costing way more.

People seem to want it both ways when it comes to speed vans. The fact they take in money apparently a bad thing. But the fact they operate at a loss overall is also a bad thing?

punisher5112

Xwebstar wrote: »

Where's that costing of €1 million per fatality coming.from?

Fire, ambulance, costs of clean up etc etc and of course money lost such as prsi, paye, vat etc....

punisher5112

CrabRevolution wrote: »

People seem to want it both ways when it comes to speed vans. The fact they take in money apparently a bad thing. But the fact they operate at a loss overall is also a bad thing?

If they actually saved lives....

It's not all about speeding....

Texting, watching videos, plating games, social media etc on phone is only a €60 fine..... That's so wrong.

Seth Brundle

punisher5112 wrote: »

Have you seen any Garda freed up from this???

Eh no as traffic corp numbers dropped ... Obviously now called roads policing as of the 1 million etc breathalyser checks done under the old that actually weren't carried out....

Laughable

How many gardai would it take to perform the same tasks as GoSafe?
The fact that they're not doing the speed checks means that they are now able to work elsewhere.
It's simple resourcing really, not sure why you fail to see it.

Micky 32

Seth Brundle wrote: »

based on figures that are probably about 15-20 years old now, each fatality on our roads costed €1,000,000.
Surely the loss on paper is actually not a real loss?


How so?
It has freed up garda resources and also helps keep the fatality rate down

There’s a road i know of where a speed van location is. 100 yards down the road further there’s a gard constantly with a speed gun. So it didn’t free up his time.

Xwebstar

Micky 32 wrote: »

There’s a road i know of where a speed van location is. 100 yards down the road further there’s a gard constantly with a speed gun. So it didn’t free up his time.

That's a Garda tactic to catch motorists speeding near to known speed vans

They do it regularly

Seth Brundle

Micky 32 wrote: »

There’s a road i know of where a speed van location is. 100 yards down the road further there’s a gard constantly with a speed gun. So it didn’t free up his time.

I didn't say that it would :rolleyes:
However, the garda that would otherwise have been in the van can now be on duty elsewhere.
Again, it's not rocket science!

Plus if he is there "constantly" then I can safely assume that there is a reason for that!
Where is this place exactly?

Micky 32

Xwebstar wrote: »

That's a Garda tactic to catch motorists speeding near to known speed vans

They do it regularly

No it’s not. It’s a huge ticket generator for the cop. It’s a huge wide safe road that has a ridiculously low speed limit and that’s where he/she sits. What pisses me off is that down the road a bit from there where i live there’s a dangerous narrow road that comes into the built up area that has kids playing and a lot of people walking around and the cars come full belt up it. Peoples pets have been killed also.

The cop is never there because he knows he’ll never get as many tickets like he gets on the other road.

Micky 32

Seth Brundle wrote: »

I didn't say that it would :rolleyes:
However, the garda that would otherwise have been in the van can now be on duty elsewhere.
Again, it's not rocket science!

Plus if he is there "constantly" then I can safely assume that there is a reason for that!
Where is this place exactly?

Yes there’s a reason, read my last post

Seth Brundle

Micky 32 wrote: »

Yes there’s a reason, read my last post

He wouldn't be there if people weren't speeding though!