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Lock for catalytic converter.

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    #62
    Lewis_Benson
    Registered Users Posts: 1,887 ✭✭✭Lewis_Benson


    Set up a bait car In a known black spot.
    Have a group in hiding waiting for mr scum to arrive with his buddies.


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    #63
    Del2005
    Registered Users Posts: 18,872 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    FionnK86 wrote: »
    That’s fine, I’ll be entitled to my own.

    BD have put signage up regarding non-paying customers in the car park, they have a barrier on exit. They should make the barrier scan the pass, the same way paying customers need to scan in and out.

    Everyone has a responsibility to do something to combat crime, the victim, the police and anybody who may have witnessed it. (Including CCTV)

    Why not pay someone to patrol it and do odd jobs, such as move non-paying customers on?

    They do it Blanchardstown, why not Northwood.

    I simply don’t buy this Pontius pilate attitude that Irish business are just trying to make a living and why should I bother them, if someone came looking for my dash cam footage, I’d provide it with a moments notice having read the reg.

    What can a person earning minimum wage do? They can't even hold onto someone who they see stealing from a business, so what do they do to someone driving around a car park. Do you think that businesses like not being able to protect their and their customers property? Our courts protect the offenders more than the victims.

    Private dash cam footage is a completely different story to CCTV from a buisness.


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    #64
    irishgirl19
    Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭irishgirl19


    Never bought the lock like a fool. Catalytic converter robbed at half 6 this morning outside our house. Neighbour knocked in and said 2 foreigners outside the car at half 6 with the boot open on their car. Tried to start the car and the cat was gone. Dirt bags


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    #65
    FionnK86
    Registered Users Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭FionnK86


    irishgirl19 wrote: »
    Never bought the lock like a fool. Catalytic converter robbed at half 6 this morning outside our house. Neighbour knocked in and said 2 foreigners outside the car at half 6 with the boot open on their car. Tried to start the car and the cat was gone. Dirt bags

    Sorry to hear that. Maybe you’ll have more luck going after foreigners than I had going after the cultured community who apparently took mine.

    The guards said they can’t touch those who took mine.


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    #66
    irishgirl19
    Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭irishgirl19


    FionnK86 wrote: »
    Sorry to hear that. Maybe you’ll have more luck going after foreigners than I had going after the cultured community who apparently took mine.

    The guards said they can’t touch those who took mine.

    It's so rampant now I doubt they can do anything. I wonder who they are selling these to.
    I don't even know if should replace it for fear of the same thing happening again


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    #67
    FionnK86
    Registered Users Posts: 1,196 ✭✭✭FionnK86


    irishgirl19 wrote: »
    It's so rampant now I doubt they can do anything. I wonder who they are selling these to.
    I don't even know if should replace it for fear of the same thing happening again

    Isn’t your first sentence gas when you think about it?

    Rephrased - this crime has become so widespread that the police can’t police.

    There are number of scrap dealers on border taking them in, with same business motto as the guards “of ah sure, if nobody’s chasin’ it up in the papers sure we’ll be grand”.

    I had a pass from cops in writing to operate without it, but I doubt it would hold up in court.


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    #68
    irishgirl19
    Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭irishgirl19


    Guards sending someone later to see if they can get prints. They said with some of the tools these guys have a lock wouldn't stop them


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    #69
    creedp
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    FionnK86 wrote: »
    Isn’t your first sentence gas when you think about it?

    Rephrased - this crime has become so widespread that the police can’t police.

    There are number of scrap dealers on border taking them in, with same business motto as the guards “of ah sure, if nobody’s chasin’ it up in the papers sure we’ll be grand”.

    I had a pass from cops in writing to operate without it, but I doubt it would hold up in court.

    This could become a great circular business for the scrappies .. thief robs catalytic converter .. sells it to scrappie … scrappie sells it back to original owner … rinse and repeat!!


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    #70
    irishgirl19
    Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭irishgirl19


    creedp wrote: »
    This could become a great circular business for the scrappies .. thief robs catalytic converter .. sells it to scrappie … scrappie sells it back to original owner … rinse and repeat!!

    My dad linked me to a Toyota one on adverts. I said sure that's probably stolen too!
    I'm going to get a spurious one. Mechanic said they shouldn't rob that one because it will be worth nothing.
    Think Toyota have a waiting list for their ones. I didn't bother ringing because my friend was quoted 1200 for hers and I'd nearly change the car before paying that. Because it would just be stolen again


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    #71
    Borderfox
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,257 Mod ✭✭✭✭Borderfox


    Guy in work had one robbed off a 2003 yaris!!


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    #72
    irishgirl19
    Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭irishgirl19


    Borderfox wrote: »
    Guy in work had one robbed off a 2003 yaris!!

    Are the yaris ones even worth anything?


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    #73
    gypsylee
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    I had one stolen off my car years ago. Hyundai Tucson. Car was parked in a very public car park while I was at work across the road. Insurance paid out over €5,000 to cover the cost of it. Obviously a lucrative business.


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    #74
    jmreire
    Registered Users Posts: 8,274 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Just my own 2 pennies worth...the tools used are generally 4" or 6" hand held battery powered grinders. These will cut through any metal as they are designed to do, but these discs cannot cut through cement ( unless fitted with special disc / blade ) so how about a panel made of two metal sheets about 3/8 or 1/2" apart and filled with a very hard concrete, and bolted to the chassis under neath the CAT? These could be designed to fit most cars. As it is, most cars have plastic shield's under the engine section, and in quite a lot of cars these shields cover most of the underside of a vehicle.
    Sounds strange and maybe laughable, I know, but a it is, we are completely unprotected and at the mercy of these scum, so a different approach is needed.


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    #75
    pablo128
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    jmreire wrote: »
    Just my own 2 pennies worth...the tools used are generally 4" or 6" hand held battery powered grinders. These will cut through any metal as they are designed to do, but these discs cannot cut through cement ( unless fitted with special disc / blade ) so how about a panel made of two metal sheets about 3/8 or 1/2" apart and filled with a very hard concrete, and bolted to the chassis under neath the CAT? These could be designed to fit most cars. As it is, most cars have plastic shield's under the engine section, and in quite a lot of cars these shields cover most of the underside of a vehicle.
    Sounds strange and maybe laughable, I know, but a it is, we are completely unprotected and at the mercy of these scum, so a different approach is needed.

    Coat the pipes in asbestos. At least the kunts will get cancer after cutting through it.


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    #76
    elperello
    Registered Users Posts: 14,262 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-wiltshire-51326361

    All ended badly for this thief.


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    #77
    Guy:Incognito
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    irishgirl19 wrote: »
    Never bought the lock like a fool. Catalytic converter robbed at half 6 this morning outside our house. Neighbour knocked in and said 2 foreigners outside the car at half 6 with the boot open on their car. Tried to start the car and the cat was gone. Dirt bags

    Did he watch them and wait for them to finish then knock in?


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    #78
    irishgirl19
    Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭irishgirl19


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Did he watch them and wait for them to finish then knock in?

    On camera took them exactly two minutes. Quality too bad for reg plate.
    Neighbour heard a noise and looked out and seen them jump back into car and drove off.


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    #79
    tcawley29
    Registered Users Posts: 1,829 ✭✭✭tcawley29


    elperello wrote: »
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-wiltshire-51326361

    All ended badly for this thief.

    hope it was a slow death


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    #80
    Guy:Incognito
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    irishgirl19 wrote: »
    On camera took them exactly two minutes. Quality too bad for reg plate.
    Neighbour heard a noise and looked out and seen them jump back into car and drove off.

    Did they get a good view of them on the camera for the gards?


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    #81
    Grayditch
    Registered Users Posts: 14,347 ✭✭✭✭Grayditch


    I was thinking if either parking close to a wall to restrict access (pain to angle every night), or fit a motion alarm under the car (neighbours will kill me any time there's a cat, though).


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    #82
    elperello
    Registered Users Posts: 14,262 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    jmreire wrote: »
    Just my own 2 pennies worth...the tools used are generally 4" or 6" hand held battery powered grinders. These will cut through any metal as they are designed to do, but these discs cannot cut through cement ( unless fitted with special disc / blade ) so how about a panel made of two metal sheets about 3/8 or 1/2" apart and filled with a very hard concrete, and bolted to the chassis under neath the CAT? These could be designed to fit most cars. As it is, most cars have plastic shield's under the engine section, and in quite a lot of cars these shields cover most of the underside of a vehicle.
    Sounds strange and maybe laughable, I know, but a it is, we are completely unprotected and at the mercy of these scum, so a different approach is needed.

    Good idea but a sheet of steel would probably be enough to make them move on to another car.

    Sump guards are used on rally cars or off roaders so something like that.

    https://www.google.ie/search?q=subaru+sump+guard&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiLw6DMluPnAhXfSBUIHSdHAVoQsAR6BAgKEAE&biw=1366&bih=625


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    #83
    Del2005
    Registered Users Posts: 18,872 ✭✭✭✭Del2005


    jmreire wrote: »
    Just my own 2 pennies worth...the tools used are generally 4" or 6" hand held battery powered grinders. These will cut through any metal as they are designed to do, but these discs cannot cut through cement ( unless fitted with special disc / blade ) so how about a panel made of two metal sheets about 3/8 or 1/2" apart and filled with a very hard concrete, and bolted to the chassis under neath the CAT? These could be designed to fit most cars. As it is, most cars have plastic shield's under the engine section, and in quite a lot of cars these shields cover most of the underside of a vehicle.
    Sounds strange and maybe laughable, I know, but a it is, we are completely unprotected and at the mercy of these scum, so a different approach is needed.

    The majority of a car is made from thin sheet metal. Putting a strong protective shield onto sheet metal won't be much of a deterrent as they'll just use a crowbar to lever off the protective sheet.

    The solution isn't to make our cars heavier it's to make the people buying scrap accountable for where it comes from, cut the money and they'll stop robbing.


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    #84
    jmreire
    Registered Users Posts: 8,274 ✭✭✭jmreire


    elperello wrote: »
    Good idea but a sheet of steel would probably be enough to make them move on to another car.

    Sump guards are used on rally cars or off roaders so something like that.

    https://www.google.ie/search?q=subaru+sump+guard&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiLw6DMluPnAhXfSBUIHSdHAVoQsAR6BAgKEAE&biw=1366&bih=625

    Yes, anything to convert it from a 2 min job, to 22 min or more. I know about the racing / rally car under body protection. There are even standard cars fitted with under body shielding...Mercedes Benz is one, but I'm pretty sure that there are more makes. Its factory / specialist manufactured, but I'm pretty sure that a good fabricator could make one too. Might be an idea for some enterprising person to setup a business or for an existing business to develop this as a business idea? For sure, CAT theft is now so widespread, that it would have a good market. Even 1/8" inch mild steel plate would do the job. A template could be made for any model car, but especially for ones that are targeted the most.
    Sorry, but my sympathy level for anyone who gets hurt in this kind of theft is at minus Zero level.


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    Emmersonn
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    elperello wrote: »
    https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-wiltshire-51326361

    All ended badly for this thief.
    Our courts are so fcuked up if this happened here his next of kin would probably get a wad of cash from an insurance claim.


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    #86
    jmreire
    Registered Users Posts: 8,274 ✭✭✭jmreire


    Del2005 wrote: »
    The majority of a car is made from thin sheet metal. Putting a strong protective shield onto sheet metal won't be much of a deterrent as they'll just use a crowbar to lever off the protective sheet.

    The solution isn't to make our cars heavier it's to make the people buying scrap accountable for where it comes from, cut the money and they'll stop robbing.

    Sure, the outer "skin" on any car is sheet metal, but it's the way it's lapped folded and boxed that give's it it's strength, especially chassis rails..bear in mind that it's the chassis rails that hold the whole car together, all 2 ton of it, and even more in van's etc. Even with a 6' crowbar, and working on a lift, try levering any part off the chassis,,,,,, would be even worse lying on the flat of your back with little clearance, and a short 18" bar. No, I think that they would look for easier picking's.
    But the down side to this,I have read of a case where the Owner had removed the cat, and when the thieve's discovered this, in retribution, they slashed all the tyres on the car. More jails, longer sentences, for EVERYONE connected to this kind of theft. But that's another pipe dream here in Ireland


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    elperello
    Registered Users Posts: 14,262 ✭✭✭✭elperello


    jmreire wrote: »
    Sure, the outer "skin" on any car is sheet metal, but it's the way it's lapped folded and boxed that give's it it's strength, especially chassis rails..bear in mind that it's the chassis rails that hold the whole car together, all 2 ton of it, and even more in van's etc. Even with a 6' crowbar, and working on a lift, try levering any part off the chassis,,,,,, would be even worse lying on the flat of your back with little clearance, and a short 18" bar. No, I think that they would look for easier picking's.
    But the down side to this,I have read of a case where the Owner had removed the cat, and when the thieve's discovered this, in retribution, they slashed all the tyres on the car. More jails, longer sentences, for EVERYONE connected to this kind of theft. But that's another pipe dream here in Ireland

    I'm pretty sure the metal guard is the answer for an individual owner trying to protect their property. As you say the object is to get them to move on and rob the next car.

    Design could also play a role. The Mitsubishi Outlander Phev has the Cat under the bonnet. Manufacturers who continue to place a high value component in such a vulnerable position should rethink.

    Lastly then law enforcement after the fact. Agree sentences should be longer for stealers and buyers. Clamping down on rogue scrap yards here will probably lead to more export.


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    #88
    jmreire
    Registered Users Posts: 8,274 ✭✭✭jmreire


    elperello wrote: »
    I'm pretty sure the metal guard is the answer for an individual owner trying to protect their property. As you say the object is to get them to move on and rob the next car.

    Design could also play a role. The Mitsubishi Outlander Phev has the Cat under the bonnet. Manufacturers who continue to place a high value component in such a vulnerable position should rethink.

    Lastly then law enforcement after the fact. Agree sentences should be longer for stealers and buyers. Clamping down on rogue scrap yards here will probably lead to more export.

    Yes, design could play a very important part in preventing CAT theft...Would be interesting to see the statistics on which vehicles are most affected, and why? Could be a good selling too....." This car statistically has the lowest incident of CAT theft"...black humour.


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    #89
    Crock Rock
    Closed Accounts Posts: 616 ✭✭✭Crock Rock


    Guy:Incognito wrote: »
    Did they get a good view of them on the camera for the gards?

    Guards are useless as a nun's gowl.

    They'll just tell you it's a "civil matter" and give you more hassle if you press the issue.


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    #90
    irishgirl19
    Registered Users Posts: 1,609 ✭✭✭irishgirl19


    No footage wasn't great unfortunately. They looked mostly covered though.


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    #91
    hoodie6029
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    Interesting thread as a Prius owner. Since these thefts escalated in the last 18 months or so I've started I always try to park between two other cars to prevent access in car parks.
    Looked into cat locks and one place at Newlands Cross, part of the Auto key place, wanted 479 before VAT to fit one.
    Souhans Garage in Trim do a piece of angle iron welded over part of the exhaust to protect it. Haven't priced it yet. Screenshot in the attachment of it.
    Again not 100% deterrent but might be enough to get them to move on. That's about all you can hope for.

    Cui bono?



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