Apollo house mk2 - 35 Summerhill Parade?

Eric Cartman · 29-08-2018 9:52pm

4ensic15 wrote: »

It has to be established as a fact in court. It is possible that the criminal trespass legislation could be tweaked. A certain ethnic minority have been doing the same thing for years on land, and there is never any condemnation about it.

id suggest a lot more than batons for them, but these are all the wayward children of solicitors, doctors and other high earning south Dublin dwellers, you'd have daddies legal team at the door in two seconds if you mistreated this bunch of people that have never and will never experience homelessness outside of this 'knight in shining armour' middle class guilt appeasing masturbation project.

4ensic15 · 29-08-2018 9:59pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

id suggest a lot more than batons for them, but these are all the wayward children of solicitors, doctors and other high earning south Dublin dwellers, you'd have daddies legal team at the door in two seconds if you mistreated this bunch of people that have never and will never experience homelessness outside of this 'knight in shining armour' middle class guilt appeasing masturbation project.

The proper thing to do would be to have a force of garda surround the building backed up by an army riot squad (if we have any army left). A loud hailer should be used to warn all occupants of the building that they have 3 minutes to leave or they will be arrested. If no move after 5 minutes CS gas cannisters should be put into the building. Once a door opens the building should be stormed and all inside arrested without ceremony and conveyed to Cloverhill in readiness for an appearance before the High Court.

Edgware · 30-08-2018 8:00am

4ensic15 wrote: »

The proper thing to do would be to have a force of garda surround the building backed up by an army riot squad (if we have any army left). A loud hailer should be used to warn all occupants of the building that they have 3 minutes to leave or they will be arrested. If no move after 5 minutes CS gas cannisters should be put into the building. Once a door opens the building should be stormed and all inside arrested without ceremony and conveyed to Cloverhill in readiness for an appearance before the High Court.

No need to arrest all. Just arrest five and let the High Court give them a week in Cloverhill to purge their contempt. They would be very popular there, a bit like Richard Here and Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman

4ensic15 · 30-08-2018 8:39am

Edgware wrote: »

No need to arrest all. Just arrest five and let the High Court give them a week in Cloverhill to purge their contempt. They would be very popular there, a bit like Richard Here and Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman

Why should any of them get off? Should the rest be left in the house?

Edgware · 30-08-2018 9:09am

4ensic15 wrote: »

Why should any of them get off? Should the rest be left in the house?

We have to have some left free to organise the protest march to Cloverhill shouting " Jail the Bankers not the ****"

GGTrek · 11-09-2018 10:35pm

They have finally been arrested (I must say I am glad, because these people started to think they could harass as they pleased in Central Dublin and they had started knocking a lot of doors of residential properties in Central Dublin to cause trouble, they are marxist to the core):
http://www.thejournal.ie/fredrick-street-occupation-activists-evicted-4230857-Sep2018/

4ensic15 · 12-09-2018 8:35am

GGTrek wrote: »

They have finally been arrested (I must say I am glad, because these people started to think they could harass as they pleased in Central Dublin and they had started knocking a lot of doors of residential properties in Central Dublin to cause trouble, they are marxist to the core):
http://www.thejournal.ie/fredrick-street-occupation-activists-evicted-4230857-Sep2018/

The were treated with kid gloves. Why were they able to gather outside the building and chant, disrupt traffic and chant outside Store St, Garda Station? Only one in hospital?

Commanchie · 12-09-2018 9:24am

4ensic15 wrote: »

The proper thing to do would be to have a force of garda surround the building backed up by an army riot squad (if we have any army left). A loud hailer should be used to warn all occupants of the building that they have 3 minutes to leave or they will be arrested. If no move after 5 minutes CS gas cannisters should be put into the building. Once a door opens the building should be stormed and all inside arrested without ceremony and conveyed to Cloverhill in readiness for an appearance before the High Court.

Okay..... Great idea but the High court doesnt sentence. District,Circuit Central and specials.

High court is a ruling court, passing direction bail hearings, Injunctions. NO SENTENCING

I dont know where the ill informed get their ideas from.

4ensic15 · 12-09-2018 9:28am

Commanchie wrote: »

Okay..... Great idea but the High court doesnt sentence. District,Circuit Central and specials.

High court is a ruling court, passing direction bail hearings, Injunctions. NO SENTENCING

I dont know where the ill informed get their ideas from.

The High Court sentences for contempt. Ask the woman from Villiers Road. I dont know where the ill informed get their ideas from.

Commanchie · 12-09-2018 9:38am

4ensic15 wrote: »

The High Court sentences for contempt. Ask the woman from Villiers Road. I dont know where the ill informed get their ideas from.

Wrong

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/criminal_law/criminal_trial/sentence.html

District court deals with contempt of court.

Commanchie · 12-09-2018 9:51am

https://www.williamfry.com/newsandinsights/news-article/2017/10/31/common-law-offence-of-contempt-of-court-to-be-put-on-a-statutory-footing

Also the actual law discussed. It is a district court matter. If not, my days spent in CCJ 1-4 have been a lie.

ELM327 · 12-09-2018 10:35am

I don't understand why these wasters weren't forcibly removed and arrested before now to be honest.
Another question, today is wednesday, have they no work to be doing?

Commanchie · 12-09-2018 11:01am

ELM327 wrote: »

I don't understand why these wasters weren't forcibly removed and arrested before now to be honest.
Another question, today is wednesday, have they no work to be doing?

Injunction was issued this means vacate. Its then to the Police to remove if not adhered to.

What happened last night was wrong, bringing in outsiders . Police service upholds the law.

ELM327 · 12-09-2018 11:15am

Commanchie wrote: »

Injunction was issued this means vacate. Its then to the Police to remove if not adhered to.

What happened last night was wrong, bringing in outsiders . Police service upholds the law.

What happened was not wrong, they were trespassers.
Stepping back a second I don't understand why the judiciary even needs to be involved, just remove them using reasonable force like any trespasser.

Commanchie · 12-09-2018 11:36am

ELM327 wrote: »

What happened was not wrong, they were trespassers.
Stepping back a second I don't understand why the judiciary even needs to be involved, just remove them using reasonable force like any trespasser.

Reality was it is wrong. A police force was unable to do this alone.

garhjw · 12-09-2018 11:54am

It wasn't wrong. These people were trespassing and have the audacity to complain they were assaulted when being prevented from committing an offence.

ELM327 · 12-09-2018 12:02pm

Commanchie wrote: »

Reality was it is wrong. A police force was unable to do this alone.

Are you saying it was wrong to have them forcibly evicted?? :eek:

ELM327 · 12-09-2018 12:03pm

garhjw wrote: »

It wasn't wrong. These people were trespassing and have the audacity to complain they were assaulted when being prevented from committing an offence.

That's the ridiculous part. Anyone "occupying" my house/property would be assaulted for sure using "reasonable force" in accordance with the determination made after the frog ward case.

Anyone who argues these people were not in the wrong is a spacer.

Commanchie · 12-09-2018 12:16pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Are you saying it was wrong to have them forcibly evicted?? :eek:

No read me posts or is that beyond you.

It is WRONG T.H.A.T T.H.E P.O.L.I.C.E C.O.U.L.D N.O.T D.O T.H.I.S A.L.O.N.E

Is that better?

Amirani · 12-09-2018 12:17pm

Commanchie wrote: »

No read me posts or is that beyond you.

It is WRONG T.H.A.T T.H.E P.O.L.I.C.E C.O.U.L.D N.O.T D.O T.H.I.S A.L.O.N.E

Is that better?

Is it wrong if the homeowner did it?

Commanchie · 12-09-2018 12:19pm

Amirani wrote: »

Is it wrong if the homeowner did it?

The home owner didnt do it. The police involved a unit that are not AGS.

Robbo · 12-09-2018 12:21pm

Commanchie wrote: »

https://www.williamfry.com/newsandinsights/news-article/2017/10/31/common-law-offence-of-contempt-of-court-to-be-put-on-a-statutory-footing

Also the actual law discussed. It is a district court matter. If not, my days spent in CCJ 1-4 have been a lie.

That's a discussion of a Bill, which has not yet passed.

You may wish to familiarise yourself with the law surrounding contempt and the latest LRC issue paper on the matter would be a useful primer. The High Court has inherent jurisdiction to order imprisonment for contempt. This has been settled law since the 1970s.

Commanchie · 12-09-2018 12:25pm

Robbo wrote: »

That's a discussion of a Bill, which has not yet passed.

You may wish to familiarise yourself with the law surrounding contempt and the latest LRC issue paper on the matter would be a useful primer. The High Court has inherent jurisdiction to order imprisonment for contempt. This has been settled law since the 1970s.

The high court does not Sentence on Contempt. DPP offers summary disposals on guilty pleas in the district court on all contempt charges.

12-09-2018 12:25pm

Commanchie wrote: »

The home owner didnt do it. The police involved a unit that are not AGS.

The Gardai are only there to see the court order is carried out correctly. Agents of the Sherrif or Baliff does the evicting.

Commanchie · 12-09-2018 12:27pm

Deleted User wrote: »

The Gardai are only there to see the court order is carried out correctly. Agents of the Sherrif or Baliff does the evicting.

If it is left in the hands of the Baliff they need to be identifiable.
High court injunction needs to be presented also.

Amirani · 12-09-2018 12:38pm

Commanchie wrote: »

The home owner didnt do it. The police involved a unit that are not AGS.

What's your source for this information?

Commanchie · 12-09-2018 12:42pm

Amirani wrote: »

What's your source for this information?

Lets just see and If im wrong ill apologise for false and misleading information.

Claw Hammer · 12-09-2018 12:44pm

Commanchie wrote: »

Wrong

http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/justice/criminal_law/criminal_trial/sentence.html

District court deals with contempt of court.

Each court deals with contempt of its own orders. Sean Quinn was sentenced by the High Court for contempt.

Claw Hammer · 12-09-2018 12:46pm

Commanchie wrote: »

https://www.williamfry.com/newsandinsights/news-article/2017/10/31/common-law-offence-of-contempt-of-court-to-be-put-on-a-statutory-footing

Also the actual law discussed. It is a district court matter. If not, my days spent in CCJ 1-4 have been a lie.

That Bill has not yet been enacted. There is damn all discussion about the existing law.

Commanchie · 12-09-2018 12:49pm

Claw Hammer wrote: »

That Bill has not yet been enacted. There is damn all discussion about the existing law.

There is plenty of discussion regarding it and has since 2015. This case will not go near the High court, as people on here keep referring to High court remand to cloverhill.

ELM327 · 12-09-2018 1:11pm

Commanchie wrote: »

No read me posts or is that beyond you.

It is WRONG T.H.A.T T.H.E P.O.L.I.C.E C.O.U.L.D N.O.T D.O T.H.I.S A.L.O.N.E

Is that better?

Wow.

Robbo · 12-09-2018 1:28pm

Commanchie wrote: »

The high court does not Sentence on Contempt. DPP offers summary disposals on guilty pleas in the district court on all contempt charges.

Keegan v. De Burca [1974] 1 IR 223. Near identical fact pattern to the current case and the order made by O'Keefe P in the High Court was:

t is ordered that said defendant be committed for the said contempt into the custody of the governor of Mountjoy Prison there to be detained by him until she purge her said contempt and is discharged pursuant to further order of the High Court and that she be taken into custody forthwith by the members of the Garda Síochána present in Court...

Do not pass go, do not visit the District Court, do not collect €200. Upheld by the Supreme Court and good law ever since.

If you can direct me to a reported judgment where a Superior Court is seised of a matter, makes a finding of contempt and then cedes jurisdiction to a lower Court, I'm all ears.

SortingYouOut · 12-09-2018 1:54pm

I think it's ridiculous that our own police force stood by while plain clothed men in ski masks did their job for them.

GGTrek · 12-09-2018 1:58pm

4ensic15 wrote: »

GGTrek wrote: »

They have finally been arrested (I must say I am glad, because these people started to think they could harass as they pleased in Central Dublin and they had started knocking a lot of doors of residential properties in Central Dublin to cause trouble, they are marxist to the core):
http://www.thejournal.ie/fredrick-street-occupation-activists-evicted-4230857-Sep2018/

The were treated with kid gloves. Why were they able to gather outside the building and chant, disrupt traffic and chant outside Store St, Garda Station? Only one in hospital?

Minimum force was used to achieve the goal of recovering possession and avoiding creating the usual hard left martyrs. Look at the sold out media reports on the event, the journalists reporting are so one sided to be disgusting:
http://www.thejournal.ie/overreaction-to-a-peaceful-occupation-actions-of-gardai-and-security-firm-condemned-4231211-Sep2018/
They even closed the comment section for FS, because the journalists knew they would be insulted heavily for such shameful reporting. Please check the names and surnames of the journalists so that you learn who are the clowns in the Journal writing such garbage.

Claw Hammer · 12-09-2018 2:21pm

Commanchie wrote: »

There is plenty of discussion regarding it and has since 2015. This case will not go near the High court, as people on here keep referring to High court remand to cloverhill.

The case is already in the High Court. It is the High Court which made the orders.

12-09-2018 3:33pm

SortingYouOut wrote: »

I think it's ridiculous that our own police force stood by while plain clothed men in ski masks did their job for them.

The Baliffs/Sherrifs med were doing their own job. The Gardai were making sure that the court order was carried out safely and fully.

Eric Cartman · 12-09-2018 3:55pm

Great to see enforcement on these trespassers. Too much property damage and risk for the owner to have to deal with. Gardai acted professionally and hopefully a lot more of these squatters will be removed forcefully.

Claw Hammer · 12-09-2018 3:58pm

They are announcing what they are doing. There clearly committing the offence of criminal trespass under the Public Order Act. They should be arrested on the spot. Why does there have to be a High Court application at the owners expense? If I stole the knob off the front door and be liable to a sentence of up to 5 years in jail.

ELM327 · 12-09-2018 4:07pm

Eric Cartman wrote: »

Great to see enforcement on these trespassers. Too much property damage and risk for the owner to have to deal with. Gardai acted professionally and hopefully a lot more of these squatters will be removed forcefully.

Not done quickly enough.

George Wallace said it in '68, and it's as true then as it is now.
They need to get a damn job.

johnnyskeleton · 12-09-2018 6:31pm

Claw Hammer wrote: »

They are announcing what they are doing. There clearly committing the offence of criminal trespass under the Public Order Act. They should be arrested on the spot. Why does there have to be a High Court application at the owners expense? If I stole the knob off the front door and be liable to a sentence of up to 5 years in jail.

I'm not so sure that they are committing trespass under the public order act, which requires an element of causing fear. Probably gives enough wiggle room for an unoccupied house.

But there is the prohibition on the forcible entry and occupation of dwellings legislation:

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1971/act/25/enacted/en/html

The problem is that the Gardai don't really want to get involved, and seem to have only been involved here because there was a high anticipation that they would be needed to keep the peace.

Eric Cartman · 12-09-2018 6:42pm

ELM327 wrote: »

Not done quickly enough.

George Wallace said it in '68, and it's as true then as it is now.
They need to get a damn job.

wow, really shows you how their tactics against trump really haven't changed much

GGTrek · 12-09-2018 7:36pm

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

But there is the prohibition on the forcible entry and occupation of dwellings legislation:

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1971/act/25/enacted/en/html

The problem is that the Gardai don't really want to get involved, and seem to have only been involved here because there was a high anticipation that they would be needed to keep the peace.

Now you really hit the nail in the head. Garda tries to avoid doing its duty unless is forced by a court to do it. Garda will rarely act in crimes against property unless they involve bodily harm against a person. This is a very slippery slope and one of the reason landlords or property owners in general in Ireland have little state protection for their properties.
However I want to thank the poster about the John Ward case and how to deal with these hard left thugs (this is exactly what they are) if they come knocking to my property door in central Dublin while I am there (they are currently knocking doors of lots of properties in Dublin 1 and planning further squats).

Eric Cartman · 12-09-2018 7:37pm

they've gone and blocked traffic and put the north city to a standstill, hopefully the new Garda commissioner will start a 0 tolerance policy against these thugs.

johnnyskeleton · 12-09-2018 8:48pm

Id be tempted to go on a counter protest. Socialists like talking about the silent majority, but only when they believe that the silent majority are on their side!

the_syco · 13-09-2018 12:13am

Commanchie wrote: »

The home owner didnt do it. The police involved a unit that are not AGS.

The landlord hired people to evict the trespassers.

SortingYouOut wrote: »

I think it's ridiculous that our own police force stood by while plain clothed men in ski masks did their job for them.

Is it the job of the Gardai to evict people?

4ensic15 · 13-09-2018 8:18am

Commanchie wrote: »

The high court does not Sentence on Contempt. DPP offers summary disposals on guilty pleas in the district court on all contempt charges.

In this article there is a reference to a man who is under threat of a 3 week sentence for contempt from a High Court judge. You know nothing about it.
https://www.independent.ie/business/farming/news/farming-news/farming-community-unites-in-protest-of-forced-sale-of-family-farm-online-by-vulture-fund-37309082.html

Claw Hammer · 13-09-2018 11:34am

the_syco wrote: »

The landlord hired people to evict the trespassers.

Is it the job of the Gardai to evict people?

No. It does not appear an application was made for a warrant to arrest any of the occupiers. The garda would need a warrant to arrest. That would not amount to an eviction as they would have no role in securing the premises after removing occupiers by way of arrest.

Claw Hammer · 13-09-2018 11:50am

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

I'm not so sure that they are committing trespass under the public order act, which requires an element of causing fear. Probably gives enough wiggle room for an unoccupied house.

.

Fear is only a requirement under Section 19. There is another section which covers the situation.
The guards charged a guy in this case but it was for burglary which didn't stick.
https://www.irishexaminer.com/ireland/squatter-sets-up-home-in-nama-ghost-estate-170799.html
The guards bring charges when it is easy

ShaneC93 · 13-09-2018 11:51am

johnnyskeleton wrote: »

I'm not so sure that they are committing trespass under the public order act, which requires an element of causing fear. Probably gives enough wiggle room for an unoccupied house.

But there is the prohibition on the forcible entry and occupation of dwellings legislation:

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/1971/act/25/enacted/en/html

The problem is that the Gardai don't really want to get involved, and seem to have only been involved here because there was a high anticipation that they would be needed to keep the peace.

I'm curious to know if we have something similar to what the UK use as an excuse to evict people who occupy / break into places when it could be hard to do so for the act itself.

The UK frequently classify them as criminal and will arrest the perpetrators if they steal anything - including power / light / heat. So they occupy a property, fine, it's a civil matter but if they turn on the lights, plug in appliances, charge devices etc. then suddenly it's a crime and they can be arrested.

Given the Takebackthecity crowd have been asking for donations of light bulbs, kettles, microwaves, blenders, sandwich makers etc. they must be using the power in the properties they occupy.

Apollo house mk2 - 35 Summerhill Parade?

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