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  • Registered Users Posts: 758 ✭✭✭jtown


    Madness . . . Middle of May . . . very frustrating!

    Very frustrating indeed - lots of courses around could hold it - Dont understand why branch lets it go ahead.

    Every shot hit last 2 weeks in practice plugged!!


  • Registered Users Posts: 268 ✭✭kopkidda


    Which club is this?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,275 ✭✭✭slingerz


    out tomorrow as well. hoping the recent dry spell has helped the course be some bit dry


  • Registered Users Posts: 758 ✭✭✭jtown


    kopkidda wrote: »
    Which club is this?

    Castleisland GC


  • Registered Users Posts: 134 ✭✭Irishdaywalker


    jtown wrote: »
    Madness . . . Middle of May . . . very frustrating!

    Very frustrating indeed - lots of courses around could hold it - Dont understand why branch lets it go ahead.

    Every shot hit last 2 weeks in practice plugged!!
    I'd say the reason it is going ahead is probably because the host club won't offer up the course for an alternate date, losing out on green fee revenue etc.


  • Registered Users Posts: 268 ✭✭kopkidda


    jtown wrote: »
    Castleisland GC

    Disaster......

    Balbriggan hosting regional Pierce Purcell tomorrow and no placing, greens immaculate, so I'm been told.


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    kopkidda wrote: »
    Disaster......

    Balbriggan hosting regional Pierce Purcell tomorrow and no placing, greens immaculate, so I'm been told.

    Correct and right. Good luck to anyone playing in Balbriggan. It's a great test of golf so play sensibility.


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    a rumour I also heard was the host clubs (not saying this years in particular) didn't want to be forking out on twice as much food after the rounds

    Clubs pay for their own food and beverages at these events. I would imagine this decision is solely based on pace of play.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭golfguy1


    jtown wrote: »
    Castleisland GC

    Don't think it is fair to be naming/criticising clubs for the condition of the course. Not sure any course in Kerry could take the brine this weekend without placing outside of links courses.
    Plus what course would be avail for whole weekend at short notice.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 276 ✭✭kennethrhcp


    Exactly wrote: »
    Clubs pay for their own food and beverages at these events. I would imagine this decision is solely based on pace of play.

    didn't know this, I did say it was a rumour I heard & not fact.

    tbh I did think soup & sandwich were laid on by home club


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,275 ✭✭✭slingerz


    Played in this over the weekend. Only a couple of things, shame to have placing everywhere at this stage of the year but no fault of the host club for that.

    Getting rid of caddies has been a resounding success.

    One thing I would change however is the age grade of participants. We have 6 juveniles taking part out of a team of 10. I think this is wrong as they have their own Fred Daly to take part in and we had several club members watching on off 9/10 more than capable of taking part. This would have been the pinnacle of their golfing career for the club but were passed over in favour of talented juveniles. If these competitions were over 18 it would involve a lot more club members over juveniles.

    Second thing is some people need a firm boot in the hole with their carry on. I saw one individual celebrate on a tee box when an opponent drove OOB.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,353 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    slingerz wrote: »
    Played in this over the weekend. Only a couple of things, shame to have placing everywhere at this stage of the year but no fault of the host club for that.

    Getting rid of caddies has been a resounding success.

    One thing I would change however is the age grade of participants. We have 6 juveniles taking part out of a team of 10. I think this is wrong as they have their own Fred Daly to take part in and we had several club members watching on off 9/10 more than capable of taking part. This would have been the pinnacle of their golfing career for the club but were passed over in favour of talented juveniles. If these competitions were over 18 it would involve a lot more club members over juveniles.

    Second thing is some people need a firm boot in the hole with their carry on. I saw one individual celebrate on a tee box when an opponent drove OOB.

    Your coach picked the juveniles so it was their choice, if they weren't good enough they wouldn't have been picked.

    If you/or the rest of the team/club members are not happy with it you should say it to team management.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭golfguy1


    slingerz wrote: »
    Played in this over the weekend. Only a couple of things, shame to have placing everywhere at this stage of the year but no fault of the host club for that.

    Getting rid of caddies has been a resounding success.

    One thing I would change however is the age grade of participants. We have 6 juveniles taking part out of a team of 10. I think this is wrong as they have their own Fred Daly to take part in and we had several club members watching on off 9/10 more than capable of taking part. This would have been the pinnacle of their golfing career for the club but were passed over in favour of talented juveniles. If these competitions were over 18 it would involve a lot more club members over juveniles.

    Second thing is some people need a firm boot in the hole with their carry on. I saw one individual celebrate on a tee box when an opponent drove OOB.

    I suppose u want anyone over 60 excluded aswell as they have their senior only events.
    players from club should be on team based on their golf not age surely.
    The I thought golf was past that type of attitude towards juniors


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,275 ✭✭✭slingerz


    golfguy1 wrote: »
    I suppose u want anyone over 60 excluded aswell as they have their senior only events.
    players from club should be on team based on their golf not age surely.
    The I thought golf was past that type of attitude towards juniors

    You can have another straw man if you wish.

    Fact is there are a considerable majority of club playing members available to play in these competition are adults and these competitions should facilitate them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,914 ✭✭✭Russman


    slingerz wrote: »
    Fact is there are a considerable majority of club playing members available to play in these competition are adults and these competitions should facilitate them.

    Why ?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭golfguy1


    slingerz wrote: »
    You can have another straw man if you wish.

    Fact is there are a considerable majority of club playing members available to play in these competition are adults and these competitions should facilitate them.

    What would u say to a +2 handicap 16/17 yr old who by ur method he could not play senior cup.
    I just can't see why u would stop kids but not adults.
    If it good enough ur old enough in my opinion


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,275 ✭✭✭slingerz


    golfguy1 wrote: »
    What would u say to a +2 handicap 16/17 yr old who by ur method he could not play senior cup.
    I just can't see why u would stop kids but not adults.
    If it good enough ur old enough in my opinion

    Much in the same way that you stop adults/older teenagers from playing Fred Daly


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,914 ✭✭✭Russman


    slingerz wrote: »
    Much in the same way that you stop adults/older teenagers from playing Fred Daly

    So, because an adult can’t play in a kids competition, a kid shouldn’t be allowed to play in a competition open to all ?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭golfguy1


    slingerz wrote: »
    Much in the same way that you stop adults/older teenagers from playing Fred Daly

    Juniors can play on senior teams in gas, soccer,rugby tennis and many others.
    Why make golf any different?

    Don't think we will ever agree. I just hope for up and coming golfers at ur club ur opinion isn't agreed with by those in control of teams


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,275 ✭✭✭slingerz


    golfguy1 wrote: »
    Juniors can play on senior teams in gas, soccer,rugby tennis and many others.
    Why make golf any different?

    Don't think we will ever agree. I just hope for up and coming golfers at ur club ur opinion isn't agreed with by those in control of teams

    Juniors cannot play on GAA or rugby teams. There are specific rules surrounding such for a multitude of reasons. As you asked yourself, why make golf any different?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,353 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    slingerz wrote: »
    Juniors cannot play on GAA or rugby teams. There are specific rules surrounding such for a multitude of reasons. As you asked yourself, why make golf any different?

    They can. My 17 year old cousin is playing on the local senior GAA team in football and hurling.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,275 ✭✭✭slingerz


    TitianGerm wrote: »
    They can. My 17 year old cousin is playing on the local senior GAA team in football and hurling.

    Once he’s 17 since the beginning of the year. You don’t see many 12 year olds playing senior GAA


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,914 ✭✭✭Russman


    slingerz wrote: »
    Once he’s 17 since the beginning of the year. You don’t see many 12 year olds playing senior GAA

    Are you seriously equating golf with GAA ?
    Coz I can’t remember the last time I had to give a foresomes opponent a sly dig in the ribs before he hit a drive.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,353 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    slingerz wrote: »
    Once he’s 17 since the beginning of the year. You don’t see many 12 year olds playing senior GAA

    He's still a junior member though. I've never seen a 12 year old on a senior golf team either.

    If the player is good enough he should be on the team no matter what age. If the the senior members were good enough they would be playing a head of the young guys, they are not so that tells its own story.

    My old club won countless interclub competitions (both men and women's) with a good mix of young and old people on the same team.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,275 ✭✭✭slingerz


    Russman wrote: »
    Are you seriously equating golf with GAA ?
    Coz I can’t remember the last time I had to give a foresomes opponent a sly dig in the ribs before he hit a drive.

    Not at all a different poster made that comparison


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,275 ✭✭✭slingerz


    TitianGerm wrote: »
    He's still a junior member though. I've never seen a 12 year old on a senior golf team either.

    If the player is good enough he should be on the team no matter what age. If the the senior members were good enough they would be playing a head of the young guys, they are not so that tells its own story.

    My old club won countless interclub competitions (both men and women's) with a good mix of young and old people on the same team.

    Playing with a 12 year old is not much fun for an adult and for me does not entice me to represent my club in such a competition.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,353 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    slingerz wrote: »
    Playing with a 12 year old is not much fun for an adult and for me does not entice me to represent my club in such a competition.

    Was there a 12 year old on your team?

    If this is your attitude to other team members I don't think you'd be much loss to the club teams and team morale may improve without your negativity.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭golfguy1


    slingerz wrote: »
    Playing with a 12 year old is not much fun for an adult and for me does not entice me to represent my club in such a competition.

    Do u agree with juniors playing In adult club comps or should they stick to the junior comps aswell


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,827 ✭✭✭fred funk }{


    If you're good enough - you're old enough. Simple.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,839 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    I was asked to play Pierce Purcell by my club this year.

    1) I'm only a distant member - Is this ok?
    2) Only got my handicap in September 2017 ( didn't have GUI handicap before this for years)
    3) Only played 1 normal comp in 2017

    Doesn't sound like I'm eligible - Can someone confirm?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,378 ✭✭✭HighLine


    callaway92 wrote: »
    I was asked to play Pierce Purcell by my club this year.

    1) I'm only a distant member - Is this ok?
    2) Only got my handicap in September 2017 ( didn't have GUI handicap before this for years)
    3) Only played 1 normal comp in 2017

    Doesn't sound like I'm eligible - Can someone confirm?

    You need to have completed 4 qualifying competitions during the previous calendar year (2017).

    Just my personal opinion but I also don't think distance members should be allowed to play in inter-club events.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,275 ✭✭✭slingerz


    TitianGerm wrote: »
    Was there a 12 year old on your team?

    If this is your attitude to other team members I don't think you'd be much loss to the club teams and team morale may improve without your negativity.

    i was paired with a 12 year old which isnt great company through no fault of the 12 year old but once you cover school and the summer holidays there isnt much to chat to them about
    golfguy1 wrote: »
    Do u agree with juniors playing In adult club comps or should they stick to the junior comps aswell

    juniors can play in adult comps but cant win the captains prize do you think that is right?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭golfguy1


    juniors can play in adult comps but cant win the captains prize do you think that is right?[/quote]


    I don't see why they shouldn't win the captain's. A junior off 5 handicap won my clubs captain's prize a few yrs ago.
    They pay same entry fee so let them win.
    I have also seen junior have best score in captain's but only received 2nd prize which doesn't look good for the adult who has to take a prize he didn't win.


  • Registered Users Posts: 268 ✭✭kopkidda


    Played Balbriggan in PP weekend.

    Course was in immaculate shape, greens were some of the best I have played.

    Credit to green staff for turning course out so well.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,275 ✭✭✭slingerz


    golfguy1 wrote: »
    juniors can play in adult comps but cant win the captains prize do you think that is right?


    I don't see why they shouldn't win the captain's. A junior off 5 handicap won my clubs captain's prize a few yrs ago.
    They pay same entry fee so let them win.
    I have also seen junior have best score in captain's but only received 2nd prize which doesn't look good for the adult who has to take a prize he didn't win.[/QUOTE]

    the standard in most clubs i know is that a junior cannot win a captains/presidents prize. If clubs fell like that i would suggest that they would also agree that Juniors should not be involved in these club teams. I know a few clubs that competed at the weekend that chose not to have juniors involved and i agree wholeheartedly with them on that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭golfguy1


    slingerz wrote: »
    I don't see why they shouldn't win the captain's. A junior off 5 handicap won my clubs captain's prize a few yrs ago.
    They pay same entry fee so let them win.
    I have also seen junior have best score in captain's but only received 2nd prize which doesn't look good for the adult who has to take a prize he didn't win.

    the standard in most clubs i know is that a junior cannot win a captains/presidents prize. If clubs fell like that i would suggest that they would also agree that Juniors should not be involved in these club teams. I know a few clubs that competed at the weekend that chose not to have juniors involved and i agree wholeheartedly with them on that.[/quote]

    Do u not think it discourages juniors from taking up the game.
    What would a mcillroy/lowry/Dunne have thought if they were the best players in club but not allowed to play senior/Barton.

    Regarding captains/presidents that view is slowly changing in a lot of clubs. If they pay the same entry fee to the comp as u they should be allowed have same rights in that comp.
    Maybe I'm just of the generation where I was discouraged from teams and banned from captains/presidents and feel strongly that it is ridiculous to be punished for having ability at a young age


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,353 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    golfguy1 wrote: »
    the standard in most clubs i know is that a junior cannot win a captains/presidents prize. If clubs fell like that i would suggest that they would also agree that Juniors should not be involved in these club teams. I know a few clubs that competed at the weekend that chose not to have juniors involved and i agree wholeheartedly with them on that.

    Do u not think it discourages juniors from taking up the game.
    What would a mcillroy/lowry/Dunne have thought if they were the best players in club but not allowed to play senior/Barton.

    Regarding captains/presidents that view is slowly changing in a lot of clubs. If they pay the same entry fee to the comp as u they should be allowed have same rights in that comp.
    Maybe I'm just of the generation where I was discouraged from teams and banned from captains/presidents and feel strongly that it is ridiculous to be punished for having ability at a young age

    Most of the young lads I know who play golf are very competitive. They want to win whether it's competition or interclub.

    I'd guess the vast majority of these guys would leave a club if they were not allowed to win the Captain's (or Captains Prize to the Juniors) or compete in the inter club competitions.

    At the end of the day plenty of pros, staff and members have given time up to help these young people enjoy, improve and feel welcome in a club. For members like you to turn around and tell them that they don't want them involved is absolutely terrible. You are dismissing the hard work of your own club, young players and the junior set up to suit your own view.

    I personally wouldn't want to join a club where this mentality was accepted.

    Edit: I think I've mixed up who was complaining about juniors been involved in club teams.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭golfguy1


    Most of the young lads I know who play golf are very competitive. They want to win whether it's competition or interclub.

    I'd guess the vast majority of these guys would leave a club if they were not allowed to win the Captain's (or Captains Prize to the Juniors) or compete in the inter club competitions.

    At the end of the day plenty of pros, staff and members have given time up to help these young people enjoy, improve and feel welcome in a club. For members like you to turn around and tell them that they don't want them involved is absolutely terrible. He is dismissing the hard work of his own club, young players and the junior set up to suit his own view.

    I personally wouldn't want to join a club where this mentality was accepted.[/quote]

    Couldn't agree more. Honestly thought things had changed in all clubs.
    Sadly not it seems. I sincerely hope slingerz is of the older generation(60+) otherwise can't believe he would have that attitude towards juniors.
    Remember these kids will replace us when we are gone


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,353 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    golfguy1 wrote: »
    Couldn't agree more. Honestly thought things had changed in all clubs.
    Sadly not it seems. I sincerely hope slingerz is of the older generation(60+) otherwise can't believe he would have that attitude towards juniors.
    Remember these kids will replace us when we are gone

    That's a little unfair to the over 60s. I worked in a golf club for two years when I was younger and would have often played in the mornings before work and evenings after work, the older lads (and women) would never see you stuck for a playing partner and would always ask how your game was, giving pointers, asking were you going for teams this year, and were just all round lovely people to play a few holes with.

    Many of those older people always showed up and helped out on a Wednesday morning during the summer with kids coaching, whether it was just collecting balls, driving buggies to the range, having a chat with the kids parents.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,275 ✭✭✭slingerz


    golfguy1 wrote: »
    the standard in most clubs i know is that a junior cannot win a captains/presidents prize. If clubs fell like that i would suggest that they would also agree that Juniors should not be involved in these club teams. I know a few clubs that competed at the weekend that chose not to have juniors involved and i agree wholeheartedly with them on that.

    Do u not think it discourages juniors from taking up the game.
    What would a mcillroy/lowry/Dunne have thought if they were the best players in club but not allowed to play senior/Barton.

    Regarding captains/presidents that view is slowly changing in a lot of clubs. If they pay the same entry fee to the comp as u they should be allowed have same rights in that comp.
    Maybe I'm just of the generation where I was discouraged from teams and banned from captains/presidents and feel strongly that it is ridiculous to be punished for having ability at a young age[/QUOTE]


    Your equating Senior/Barton, where the % of a club eligible or indeed capable of playing at such a level is particularly low to Jimmy Bruen where the % of a club eligible would be far greater. If you are capable of taking part in such elite competitions and you are under 16 years of age then you are most likely to be a golfer of international standard.

    At the weekend it was Jimmy Bruen which would have a substantially higher % of club members both eligible and capable of playing at that level.

    The Jimmy Bruen should encourage these members to take part in a team environment within their golf club. It would enhance their experience as part of the club and encourage new members to join/take part.

    The Juniors taking part have the ability to play interclub competitions against their peers in the form of the Fred Daly there is no discouraging them from playing the game as they are already facilitated.

    Juniors are already ineligible to partake in Pierce Purcell, do you believe that to be discouraging Juniors?


  • Registered Users Posts: 436 ✭✭Sultan_of_Ping


    Played in the PP at weekend at Balbriggan and the course was in excellent condition (see below). The condition was all the more remarkable considering that about six weeks ago, there was placing everywhere, the greens were heavily sanded and there seemed to be drainage issues on more than a few fairways......such was the transformation that it was difficult to believe it was the same course.

    We qualified for the semi but lost out on a place in the final. Two super days of golf and a brilliant experience. I think Greenore won through from Balbriggan with the final point coming on the 20th hole of the last match!! - I'll bet those guys slept well last night.

    As for juniors in the team - I'd be all for it! They might bring some maturity to some of the teams ;)

    The two lads we played with on Saturday were completely sound - 2 holes in and it felt like a regular, Saturday morning round, which made it all the more enjoyable and helped with the scoring.

    Some of the stuff on Sunday, though, was a bit beyond the Pale...... a couple of lads roaring like they'd sunk a 40-footer to win the Ryder Cup, someone referring to another club's players as a "pair of cnuts" as they where heading to the first tee - not directed at them, but spoken loud enough for them (and anyone within earshot) to hear......and I have finally now realised how I'm going to make my fortune......selling hayfever and cold medicines in certain localities, because judging by some of the coughing, sniffing and sneezing fits yesterday there's a truckload of cash to be made.

    I know matchplay is, and can be, very tactical, but it seemed like some players are more interested in playing, or trying to play, juvenile mind games, rather than playing golf - there was one crowd yesterday and if they put as much effort into their golf as they did into acting the maggot they'd win the thing outright.

    It was only a small number of players on a very few teams but their behaviour was all the more ridiculous because given the course and the weather there was no way it could have been anything other than a great weekend of golf.

    So despite their muppetry, it proved to be a great couple of days and Balbriggan's hospitality (and Leinster Golf's organisation) was top drawer.

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭golfguy1


    Your equating Senior/Barton, where the % of a club eligible or indeed capable of playing at such a level is particularly low to Jimmy Bruen where the % of a club eligible would be far greater. If you are capable of taking part in such elite competitions and you are under 16 years of age then you are most likely to be a golfer of international standard.

    At the weekend it was Jimmy Bruen which would have a substantially higher % of club members both eligible and capable of playing at that level.

    The Jimmy Bruen should encourage these members to take part in a team environment within their golf club. It would enhance their experience as part of the club and encourage new members to join/take part.

    The Juniors taking part have the ability to play interclub competitions against their peers in the form of the Fred Daly there is no discouraging them from playing the game as they are already facilitated.

    Juniors are already ineligible to partake in Pierce Purcell, do you believe that to be discouraging Juniors?[/quote]

    I do think Purcell should be changed aswell to allow juniors play.
    You can't base rules on percentage of players eligable.
    You either allow juniors play in all or none.
    I understand juniors have junior events but seniors have over 50s events I can't play in.
    Why are u allowing the seniors play interclub events but not juniors.

    At a time when clubs are trying to promote younger people to join I just think your view is hugely outdated.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,275 ✭✭✭slingerz


    golfguy1 wrote: »
    Your equating Senior/Barton, where the % of a club eligible or indeed capable of playing at such a level is particularly low to Jimmy Bruen where the % of a club eligible would be far greater. If you are capable of taking part in such elite competitions and you are under 16 years of age then you are most likely to be a golfer of international standard.

    At the weekend it was Jimmy Bruen which would have a substantially higher % of club members both eligible and capable of playing at that level.

    The Jimmy Bruen should encourage these members to take part in a team environment within their golf club. It would enhance their experience as part of the club and encourage new members to join/take part.

    The Juniors taking part have the ability to play interclub competitions against their peers in the form of the Fred Daly there is no discouraging them from playing the game as they are already facilitated.

    Juniors are already ineligible to partake in Pierce Purcell, do you believe that to be discouraging Juniors?

    I do think Purcell should be changed aswell to allow juniors play.
    You can't base rules on percentage of players eligable.
    You either allow juniors play in all or none.
    I understand juniors have junior events but seniors have over 50s events I can't play in.
    Why are u allowing the seniors play interclub events but not juniors.

    At a time when clubs are trying to promote younger people to join I just think your view is hugely outdated.[/QUOTE]

    We will have to agree to disagree i'm afraid. Promoting younger players can be done through their own events and interclub competitions. Pierce Purcell covers the vast majority of club players. These guys should have access to interclub comps also. If juveniles have their own comps and seniors have theirs then why cant adults have their own. For what its worth i didnt see a single senior partaking in the Jimmy Bruen at the weekend across the 8 teams that were involved.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,353 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    slingerz wrote: »
    For what its worth i didnt see a single senior partaking in the Jimmy Bruen at the weekend across the 8 teams that were involved.

    Maybe because they weren't good enough?


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,275 ✭✭✭slingerz


    TitianGerm wrote: »
    Maybe because they weren't good enough?

    Could be for a multitude of reasons. You can speculate to what they are all you desire.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,067 ✭✭✭✭Seve OB


    Maybe one of the mods should move all the talk of juniors/seniors to a seperate thread?

    Re interclub comps, Pierce Purcell was on the weekend in Stackstown and was a very tight affair. 345 for Milltown, 346 for Grange & 347 for Stackstown, Druids Glen & Greystones. Unfortunately, Greystones lost out on a top 4 finish on a countback.
    I was on the Greystones panel but unfortunately I couldn't play on Saturday due to my daughters communion clashing, but I was taking it handy on the booze and ready to head early to bed as I was going to be involved on Sunday morning.

    Once the word came through, the fridge got stocked with plenty of Guinness which was just as well, because the communion turned into a bloody eurovision party with all the wifes friends hanfging back while the dutyful husbands left with the kids. At least I had guinness to keep me compnay :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    golfguy1 wrote: »
    If they pay the same entry fee to the comp as u they should be allowed have same rights in that comp.

    While they pay the same competition entry fee, they do not pay the same subs, and hence have fewer playing rights.

    You could argue that allowing them to play in the competition at all is generous, asking to be eligible to win it might result in them being excluded altogether.

    My reading of the "rule" is that it is to avoid the scenario where a badly handicapped junior comes in with 44 points. The logic is that the current handicap system cannot keep up with a rapidly improving golfer, which is most likely to be a young golfer who has 'recently' taken up the game.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 430 ✭✭golfguy1


    GreeBo wrote: »
    While they pay the same competition entry fee, they do not pay the same subs, and hence have fewer playing rights.

    You could argue that allowing them to play in the competition at all is generous, asking to be eligible to win it might result in them being excluded altogether.

    My reading of the "rule" is that it is to avoid the scenario where a badly handicapped junior comes in with 44 points. The logic is that the current handicap system cannot keep up with a rapidly improving golfer, which is most likely to be a young golfer who has 'recently' taken up the game.

    I believe the vast majority of clubs only allow juniors of a certain standard to play adult comps ie 16 or below handicap which is then controlled by adult handicap sec.
    I just can't agree with leaving them enter but not win.
    Not leaving them enter is punishing good golfers just cause they are under 18.
    Again senior golfers generally pay a reduced fee but they are allowed win majors and represent clubs.
    I just don't see the difference.


  • Registered Users Posts: 758 ✭✭✭jtown


    In our Club - any junior member under 18 H/C can play and win in any senior competition.

    For EVERY player they must have played 2 single qualifying competitions in order to win a "major"


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    golfguy1 wrote: »
    I believe the vast majority of clubs only allow juniors of a certain standard to play adult comps ie 16 or below handicap which is then controlled by adult handicap sec.

    I just can't agree with leaving them enter but not win.
    Not leaving them enter is punishing good golfers just cause they are under 18.
    Or its rewarding them by allowing them to play in competitions that they otherwise wouldnt be eligible to enter?
    golfguy1 wrote: »
    Again senior golfers generally pay a reduced fee but they are allowed win majors and represent clubs.
    I just don't see the difference.
    Reduced fee after 30 years of membership and over 70...I think these members have earned that right.

    Probably needs its own thread but I can see it getting messy.


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