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The 2020 PGA Championship Thread

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  • #152
    [Deleted User]
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    Casey basically said that he couldn't really have played better but that Morikawa was simply fantastic.

    Never found Casey that bad personally and no way is he in the league of major a-holes like Darren Clarke as somebody suggested earlier.


  • #153
    castletownman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,501 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    When was the last time a first-time Major winner didn't drop a shot in the final round?

    Seem to remember Charl Schwartzel doing something similar in 2011 (backed him as well as it happens :D)


  • #154
    Mysterypunter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    castletownman wrote: »
    When was the last time a first-time Major winner didn't drop a shot in the final round?

    Seem to remember Charl Schwartzel doing something similar in 2011 (backed him as well as it happens :D)

    Don't know that one actually, but he holed some bomb on the first to avoid a bogey.


  • #155
    redzerdrog
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,750 ✭✭✭redzerdrog


    DJs course management lost him that today. 10 and 14 he played like an amateur in a Sunday medal and short sides himself in the left hand bunkers.

    Middle of the green on them two and he would have won it


  • #156
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,424 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    This kid has it all. He has a great temperament and he is going win many more majors. A star for years to come.

    That drive at 16 is as good a shot you will see all year. Tiger Woods been proud of that.


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  • #157
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,825 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    After his quotes last night Koepka looks like a bit of a muppet with his T29 finish


  • #158
    CMcsporty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭CMcsporty


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    This kid has it all. He has a great temperament and he is going win many more majors. A star for years to come.

    That drive at 16 is as good a shot you will see all year. Tiger Woods been proud of that.

    Morikawa & Wolf will be scrapping it out for Majors for 20 years.
    Wolf will win more!


  • #159
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,825 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Wolff is a bit of a bomb and gouge merchant in my opinion, very one dimensional.

    If he didn't have the quirky swing there wouldn't be half as much talk about him

    Morikawa is a far more rounded (and far better) player.


  • #160
    Mysterypunter
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,861 ✭✭✭Mysterypunter


    El Sue14265173 wrote:
    After his quotes last night Koepka looks like a bit of a muppet with his T29 finish

    Talks a lot but it's the same aul ****e, him and dechambeau are being built up as a great rivalry, but they have all the personality of a green bin. He is a nervous wreck on the greens, so won't be winning any time soon. This was a changing of the guard major by the looks of it, lots of new faces showing up well


  • #161
    callaway92
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,839 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    El Sueño wrote: »
    After his quotes last night Koepka looks like a bit of a muppet with his T29 finish

    Did he not get a bad injury on Friday and was playing with that since?


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  • #162
    callaway92
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,839 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    callaway92 wrote: »
    I really like Koepka and McIlroy here. Lesser so Morikawa and massive odds Cameron Champ.

    Obviously nobody has true course form but McIlroy won the WGC World Matchplay in 2015 on this course (albeit when in his peak of powers)

    Proud enough of these picks. Cameron Champ is class to watch. Had a really good tournament.

    Morikawa that was known anyway. Koepka good tournament hurt by injury and McIlroy was a let down but didn’t play badly.


  • #163
    Mantis Toboggan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,101 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    65-64 is serious shooting over the weekend.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • #164
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,825 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    Morikawa up to 5th in the world, I'm guessing he'll be higher by the end of the season.

    Rahm back to number one.


  • #165
    Mantis Toboggan
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,101 ✭✭✭✭Mantis Toboggan


    El Sueño wrote: »
    After his quotes last night Koepka looks like a bit of a muppet with his T29 finish

    Strange comments indeed. Thought himself and DJ were friends. Seems to trying to create enemies. He does love a good chip on the shoulder.

    Free Palestine 🇵🇸



  • #166
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,424 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    CMcsporty wrote: »
    Morikawa & Wolf will be scrapping it out for Majors for 20 years.
    Wolf will win more!

    Wolf is great prospect.

    At this moment in time I think Morikawa looks more likely to succeed in the 1 v 1. Being 1 up I guess is good start.

    But golf and sport can be funny game. Who would think Rory would still be on 4 majors back 6 years ago still.

    Morikawa accuracy with a driver or 3 wood is as good as with some players 9 irons.

    If he keeps level headed and his game goes the way it is he win 6+ majors imo.

    I like to come back in 10 years time myself and see how good or bad my prediction is.

    The game of Golf is in great shape for next decade or even more. The amount of talent out there is unreal.. Cameron Champ looks a player and if he could get a major over the line in next 2 or 3 years could be another who win quiet a few.


  • #167
    john9876
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 341 ✭✭john9876


    Anyone know what odds Morikawa was before the start?


  • #168
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,825 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    john9876 wrote: »
    Anyone know what odds Morikawa was before the start?

    Around 25/1 I think


  • #169
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,424 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    john9876 wrote: »
    Anyone know what odds Morikawa was before the start?

    Got 33s but think was bit of 35 going around


  • #170
    byronbay2
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,772 ✭✭✭byronbay2


    john9876 wrote: »
    Anyone know what odds Morikawa was before the start?

    He was tipped by Steve Palmer in The Racing Post at 35/1. That was the best price.


  • #171
    callaway92
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,839 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    john9876 wrote: »
    Anyone know what odds Morikawa was before the start?

    I took him on PP @25s but they were paying 10 places (hence the shorter price).

    Good luck to Morikawa being that price again any time soon.


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  • #172
    RoadRunner
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    Before the start of the year I backed Morikawa to win 2 or more majors in the same year for phenomenal odds. He probably wasn't even in some of them then! When the masters was cancelled I was refunded.


  • #173
    callaway92
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,839 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    RoadRunner wrote: »
    Before the start of the year I backed Morikawa to win 2 or more majors in the same year for phenomenal odds. He probably wasn't even in some of them then! When the masters was cancelled I was refunded.

    That’s a funny one actually because the Masters that is taking place this calendar year is still part of the 2020 PGA Tour season (even though 2021 has already started), so I’m surprised that was cancelled. The Masters was postponed and not cancelled.


  • #174
    Deeper Blue
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    RoadRunner wrote: »
    Before the start of the year I backed Morikawa to win 2 or more majors in the same year for phenomenal odds. He probably wasn't even in some of them then! When the masters was cancelled I was refunded.

    That's BS that it was cancelled. What were the odds out of interest?


  • #175
    castletownman
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,501 ✭✭✭✭castletownman


    callaway92 wrote: »
    I took him on PP @25s but they were paying 10 places (hence the shorter price).

    Good luck to Morikawa being that price again any time soon.

    I had 33s quoted on my docket, but they seemed to pay me out at 25/1.

    Thats a whole different story....


  • #176
    thecretinhop
    Registered Users Posts: 6,666 ✭✭✭thecretinhop


    CONGRATS! 🤑
    YOU HAVE WON €243.60
    W
    Collin Morikawa
    66/1
    USPGA Championship 2020 - Outright Betting - USPGA


  • #177
    CMcsporty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭CMcsporty


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    Wolf is great prospect.

    At this moment in time I think Morikawa looks more likely to succeed in the 1 v 1. Being 1 up I guess is good start.

    But golf and sport can be funny game. Who would think Rory would still be on 4 majors back 6 years ago still.

    Morikawa accuracy with a driver or 3 wood is as good as with some players 9 irons.

    If he keeps level headed and his game goes the way it is he win 6+ majors imo.

    I like to come back in 10 years time myself and see how good or bad my prediction is.

    The game of Golf is in great shape for next decade or even more. The amount of talent out there is unreal.. Cameron Champ looks a player and if he could get a major over the line in next 2 or 3 years could be another who win quiet a few.

    My reasoning is just a stab at how their swings will last the test of time and how each will hold up under pressure.
    Wolff's swing is completely his own. Has had a great coach in Gankas from a young age and is not going to mess him up with changes.
    This was his Major debut & finished 4th. Putting - IF he can get better he will be a great.

    Most of the above can also be said for Morikawa.
    How they handle pressure is probably what will separate them. They both seem very solid (far more robust than McIlroy!)
    Really impressed with how Wolff won last year. Tied with Morikawa & Bryson going into the final round
    https://www.pgatour.com/daily-wrapup/2019/07/07/matthew-wolff-wins-3m-open-in-third-professional-start.html
    They both seem to have really positive attitudes. Wolff is full of positive talk and game. Is two years younger and also has the cooler name!

    :)Major Wins Prediction: Wolff 7, Morikawa 5, McIlroy 4:pac:


  • #178
    MyPeopleDrankTheSoup
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,741 ✭✭✭MyPeopleDrankTheSoup


    thecretinhop wrote: »
    CONGRATS! 🤑
    YOU HAVE WON €243.60
    W
    Collin Morikawa
    66/1
    USPGA Championship 2020 - Outright Betting - USPGA

    Was that placed a few months ago? Great odds


  • #179
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,825 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    thecretinhop wrote: »
    CONGRATS! 🀑
    YOU HAVE WON €243.60
    W
    Collin Morikawa
    66/1
    USPGA Championship 2020 - Outright Betting - USPGA

    Fair play if true but Christ I fcuking hate aftertiming


  • #180
    CMcsporty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭CMcsporty


    MyPeopleDrankTheSoup wrote: »
    Was that placed a few months ago? Great odds

    Im guessing immediately before or after 2ft lip-out at Colonial in June.
    Interestingly, Wolff was at 200s after Round 1 on Thursday! Thank you!


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  • #181
    john9876
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 341 ✭✭john9876


    Morikawa is 22 for the US open. Wolff and Champ are both 100/1.


  • #182
    john9876
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 341 ✭✭john9876


    When McIlroy was at his peak, did he not switch to Nike clubs for a huge amount of cash. But it took him a long time to adjust to the different clubs and I don't think he's won a major since.


  • #183
    Synode
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,967 ✭✭✭Synode


    john9876 wrote: »
    When McIlroy was at his peak, did he not switch to Nike clubs for a huge amount of cash. But it took him a long time to adjust to the different clubs and I don't think he's won a major since.

    He switched back when Nike stopped making clubs


  • #184
    thecretinhop
    Registered Users Posts: 6,666 ✭✭✭thecretinhop


    totally true guys. very weird i put it on Thursday. i think they fkd up lol.
    i often before used put up my bets or who i think will win but baby cretin has me wrecked too busy etc lol


  • #185
    charlieIRL
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    I'll just leave this here for the new posters to the group...........

    Betting
    Could all betting / gambling talk be kept in the Gambling Mega Thread found here please.
    Do no make posts that are purely around betting/odds in any thread other than the gambling thread above.
    Likewise do not make non betting related posts in the betting thread.
    Its fine to make a comment on a bet you had on someone etc but this must not be the main purpose of your post.
    Blatant attempts to ignore or circumvent this rule will result in a 1 month ban.
    Under no circumstances should any poster offer a bet to any other poster. Immediate 1 month ban will result.
    Warning will be given at the moderators discretion.


  • #186
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,424 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    CMcsporty wrote: »
    My reasoning is just a stab at how their swings will last the test of time and how each will hold up under pressure.
    Wolff's swing is completely his own. Has had a great coach in Gankas from a young age and is not going to mess him up with changes.
    This was his Major debut & finished 4th. Putting - IF he can get better he will be a great.

    Most of the above can also be said for Morikawa.
    How they handle pressure is probably what will separate them. They both seem very solid (far more robust than McIlroy!)
    Really impressed with how Wolff won last year. Tied with Morikawa & Bryson going into the final round
    https://www.pgatour.com/daily-wrapup/2019/07/07/matthew-wolff-wins-3m-open-in-third-professional-start.html
    They both seem to have really positive attitudes. Wolff is full of positive talk and game. Is two years younger and also has the cooler name!

    :)Major Wins Prediction: Wolff 7, Morikawa 5, McIlroy 4:pac:

    I agree with you on Rory. I honestly dont see where next major is coming from for him . Cant see him win a tough US Open or British for that matter. Augusta is his best chance imo at minute anyway the way he is playing

    By 2035 I go, Morikawa 6 majors, Wolff 3 and Rory still with 4 and still talking about how he can win:pac:

    Its hard make these predictions and the fact so many coming through I think bit of guessing game, but I do see Morikawa going to be at top for some time.

    Game has never been so good as in terms of competitiveness and top class players capable of going all the way. Exciting times.


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  • #187
    Keano
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    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    I agree with you on Rory. I honestly dont see where next major is coming from for him . Cant see him win a tough US Open or British for that matter. Augusta is his best chance imo at minute anyway the way he is playing

    By 2035 I go, Morikawa 6 majors, Wolff 3 and Rory still with 4 and still talking about how he can win:pac:

    Its hard make these predictions and the fact so many coming through I think bit of guessing game, but I do see Morikawa going to be at top for some time.

    Game has never been so good as in terms of competitiveness and top class players capable of going all the way. Exciting times.

    What's at the top though? Winning majors or competing week in week out in PGA Tour events.


  • #188
    ionadnapokot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,854 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    The_Kew_Tour wrote: »
    I agree with you on Rory. I honestly dont see where next major is coming from for him . Cant see him win a tough US Open or British for that matter. Augusta is his best chance imo at minute anyway the way he is playing

    By 2035 I go, Morikawa 6 majors, Wolff 3 and Rory still with 4 and still talking about how he can win:pac:

    Its hard make these predictions and the fact so many coming through I think bit of guessing game, but I do see Morikawa going to be at top for some time.

    Game has never been so good as in terms of competitiveness and top class players capable of going all the way. Exciting times.

    I third that on McIlroy.
    He cant handle the white hot pressure at the top of the leaderboard.
    Allot of younger talent also chomping at the bit Thomas, Rahm, Xander, Hovland, Sungae Im, Niemann,
    Would also take Wolff as the most likely to win multiple majors.

    Wolff 5, Morikawa 4, Thomas 4, Xander 2, Rahm 2, Im 1?, Hovland 0?, Niemann 1?


  • #189
    callaway92
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,839 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    ionadnapokot wrote: »
    I third that on McIlroy.
    He cant handle the white hot pressure at the top of the leaderboard.
    Allot of younger talent also chomping at the bit Thomas, Rahm, Xander, Hovland, Sungae Im, Niemann,
    Would also take Wolff as the most likely to win multiple majors.

    Wolff 5, Morikawa 4, Thomas 4, Xander 2, Rahm 2, Im 1?, Hovland 0?, Niemann 1?

    Wow - Wolff the most out of that group?

    Rahm, Hovland, Thomas, Schauffele, Morikawa all highly in line to have more than him over their careers I'd say.


  • #190
    ionadnapokot
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,854 ✭✭✭ionadnapokot


    ^
    Gives us a few numbers so!!
    :P


  • #191
    CMcsporty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭CMcsporty


    ionadnapokot wrote: »
    I third that on McIlroy.
    He cant handle the white hot pressure at the top of the leaderboard.
    Allot of younger talent also chomping at the bit Thomas, Rahm, Xander, Hovland, Sungae Im, Niemann,
    Would also take Wolff as the most likely to win multiple majors.

    Wolff 5, Morikawa 4, Thomas 4, Xander 2, Rahm 2, Im 1?, Hovland 0?, Niemann 1?

    I also really likeRahm & Niemann. Think their ball flight will give them good shots at British Opens


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  • #192
    Deeper Blue
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    thecretinhop wrote: »
    totally true guys. very weird i put it on Thursday. i think they fkd up lol.
    i often before used put up my bets or who i think will win but baby cretin has me wrecked too busy etc lol

    Hmmm... well considering you have a history of aftertiming in the betting thread and that you once posted the following:
    thecretinhop wrote: »
    I am happy to say I also backed Jordan Spieth at 1000 1 in 2012 for first round leader in 2015....I put on 10k.

    I have to say I'm more than a little sceptical.


  • #193
    Deeper Blue
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    callaway92 wrote: »
    Wow - Wolff the most out of that group?

    Rahm, Hovland, Thomas, Schauffele, Morikawa all highly in line to have more than him over their careers I'd say.

    I agree with this. I'll actually stick my neck out and say Wolff will disappear within 3 years and never win a major. I'll happily hold my hands up if proved wrong!


  • #194
    CMcsporty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭CMcsporty


    El Sueño wrote: »
    I agree with this. I'll actually stick my neck out and say Wolff will disappear within 3 years and never win a major. I'll happily hold my hands up if proved wrong!

    Anything that puts you off him in particular?
    Everything bar is putting stacked up well at the weekend.


  • #195
    Deeper Blue
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,825 ✭✭✭Deeper Blue


    CMcsporty wrote: »
    Anything that puts you off him in particular?
    Everything bar is putting stacked up well at the weekend.

    I'm just thinking how many people aside from Furyk have had such an unorthodox swing and had longevity.

    I could be way off but if something starts going wrong and he tries to change it up he might never be able to get back to where he was.

    This is a complete armchair opinion by the way, he'll probably win a dozen majors now!


  • #196
    callaway92
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,839 ✭✭✭✭callaway92


    El Sueño wrote: »
    I agree with this. I'll actually stick my neck out and say Wolff will disappear within 3 years and never win a major. I'll happily hold my hands up if proved wrong!

    Ya, I'm not sure about disappear, but there could be a Russel Henley/Harris English about him.


  • #197
    CMcsporty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,792 ✭✭✭CMcsporty


    El Sueño wrote: »
    I'm just thinking how many people aside from Furyk have had such an unorthodox swing and had longevity.

    I could be way off but if something starts going wrong and he tries to change it up he might never be able to get back to where he was.

    This is a complete armchair opinion by the way, he'll probably win a dozen majors now!

    His unorthodox swing is the one reason why I picked him over Morikawa.
    Gankas has been with him since he was 12. I don’t see him changing much at all. It’s unique.

    Funny you should mention Furyk. Mike Holder from Oklahoma State wanted to change his swing. Furyk senior said get lost.
    Wolff went to Oklahoma State. But I don’t think Holder was “Coach”.


  • #198
    john9876
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 341 ✭✭john9876


    I'm sceptical about Wolff winning majors as well having watched his swing in slow motion
    https://youtu.be/vKWenAKorhU
    What happens if he falls out with the coach, most other top coaches will try and 'standardise' it.
    I hope I'm wrong.


  • #199
    GreeBo
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,253 ✭✭✭✭GreeBo


    CMcsporty wrote: »
    His unorthodox swing is the one reason why I picked him over Morikawa.
    Gankas has been with him since he was 12. I don’t see him changing much at all. It’s unique.

    Funny you should mention Furyk. Mike Holder from Oklahoma State wanted to change his swing. Furyk senior said get lost.
    Wolff went to Oklahoma State. But I don’t think Holder was “Coach”.

    So does that mean only Gankas can work on his swing?
    I wouldn't fancy that


  • #200
    The_Kew_Tour
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,424 ✭✭✭✭The_Kew_Tour


    Keano wrote: »
    What's at the top though? Winning majors or competing week in week out in PGA Tour events.

    Both.

    Well I guess he is not going win every week :pac:


  • #201
    fullstop
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,499 ✭✭✭✭fullstop


    john9876 wrote: »
    When McIlroy was at his peak, did he not switch to Nike clubs for a huge amount of cash. But it took him a long time to adjust to the different clubs and I don't think he's won a major since.

    He won 2 majors after he switched to Nike.


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