New Worldwide Handicap System

Will there be a list of the course ratings published or will it be when u arrive at a course u find out the rating

Just going through the documentation on the golfnet WHS site now and this is the first new piece of information for me that stands out

G3.3/1Meaning of Most Likely Score (“MLS”) for Handicap Purposes




Whilst not in general use in GB&I, Ireland are trialling its use so clubs and players should be aware of this provision should they play overseas or in Ireland. The full details are taken from Interpretation 3.3/1 (included in the Rules for jurisdictions that use MLS).



Scores returned in match play or four-ball formats are Acceptable Scores in some Jurisdictions. In such situations there is a need for calculating a ‘Most Likely Score’ when a player starts a hole but does not hole out.

If I am reading it correctly then it looks as if we will have to submit our individual scores when playing matchplay or fourballs

dan_ep82 wrote: »

https://www.golfnet.ie/whs

paulos53 wrote: »

Just going through the documentation on the golfnet WHS site now and this is the first new piece of information for me that stands out



If I am reading it correctly then it looks as if we will have to submit our individual scores when playing matchplay or fourballs

That was the first thing I was going to mention, then I see you already had.

I kinda knew fourball scores would be coming, matchplay no so. But kinda have to laugh at the most likely scoring!

Good to see society scores will be acceptable. We’ll have to see if we can get the boards scores put through the system somehow, but I guess a lot of that kinda thing will be a learn as we go

dan_ep82 wrote: »

From what I'm reading it will be your current index that will be used for all competitions.

Currently 15.6 and looks like I'll end up about 14.

On Headfort New playing HC will be 18. Does this mean if I shoot lower than 18 (90 strokes/1 shot per hole) in a comp my handicap will come down?

It will only come down if it's in the best 8 of your last 20. Your handicap index from that round will be calculated according to the slope and course ratings and the playing conditions calculation.

Wombatman wrote: »

Any idea what the conversion formula will be for those who don't have 20 qualifying comps? A lot of new members this year will only have a handful of qualifiers.

Would they all count and then as they go past 8 rounds the worse ones are disregarded?

finglashoop wrote: »

Would they all count and then as they go past 8 rounds the worse ones are disregarded?

If are taking the average of the best 8 from 20, would you not take the average of the best 4 from 10 then?

I wonder will they update us a week or 2 before so we aren't all scrambling to find out what our Handicaps are on the 2nd of Nov. Or will it be on the system on the 2nd of Nov when we sign into a competition.

Seve OB wrote: »

That was the first thing I was going to mention, then I see you already had.

I kinda knew fourball scores would be coming, matchplay no so. But kinda have to laugh at the most likely scoring!

Good to see society scores will be acceptable. We’ll have to see if we can get the boards scores put through the system somehow, but I guess a lot of that kinda thing will be a learn as we go

Page 4 of the attached.

https://www.golfnet.ie/Documents/WHS%20Frequently%20Asked%20Questions.pdf

All qualifying singles comps remain valid for handicap.
Any casual singles rounds must be declared as handicap rounds online in advance of playing the round
4-balls, and matchplay golf are currently excluded - but they are open to changing to include them in the future.

benji79 wrote: »

What will happen somebody who has just put in 3 cards to get their handicap set up? They won’t have 8 cards to pick from

Lowest of the 3 rounds -2.0. See the table here:

paulos53 wrote: »

A minimum of 3 rounds are needed to calculate a handicap index for new players

The table on how it works is here:

https://www.usga.org/content/usga/home-page/handicapping/roh/Content/rules/5%202%20Calculation%20of%20a%20Handicap%20Index.htm

frink wrote: »

Just calculated mine there gave me a handicap of 3.8. Current handicap in old system is 5.8 so I definitely calculated that incorrectly!

Not necessarily. Have you been scoring well lately. New handicap will be much more responsive. How many scores have you had 36 or better in last 20

It is very different

etxp wrote: »

I wonder will they update us a week or 2 before so we aren't all scrambling to find out what our Handicaps are on the 2nd of Nov. Or will it be on the system on the 2nd of Nov when we sign into a competition.

pretty sure i read that they "hope" to have it available beforehand. :rolleyes:

TBH, this is all 11th hour stuff from the GUI and really poor information being given out till now. and even still, they don't know what the full sp is. just look at some of the questions being asked of them on other platforms. think the best one i saw was where someone asked about winter qualifying and their reply was to point them to an article which said that golfers should ask their local union

other regions around the world in the main had a small adjustment to get in line with this system so it wasn't a major change for golfers to get familiar with. CONGU have to start from scratch and they don't seem to bothered about it at all.

I have mentioned the new handicaps so many times to golfers in all walks of life over the past year or so. I would say that less than 10% knew this was coming and probably at least 50% still don't know it is coming.

ehhh, we don't know!

https://www.facebook.com/golfingunionofireland/photos/a.845225648927964/3289441554506349/?type=3&theater

Russman wrote: »

Totally agree with this. I know COVID has had a huge and unexpected impact on golf and the ability to do the presentations in clubs, but its still coming across as very last minute and "made up as you go along".

Communication has been terrible from the union IMO. There's too many pdfs and little PC videos that don't say much other than justify why there's a new system rather than explaining in simple terms to joe bloggs 65 year old senior member, how exactly the new system works.

yea, videos made by the USGA and R&A and whoever else trying to be very PC by using men and women from all different language backgrounds to voiceover. they are daft videos and don't really explain very much

at least these recent pdf's have a bit of new info. though mind you, i'd still like to see a simplified 1 or 2 page document which tells us exactly how to calculate our handicaps.

This document says that Winter Rules will not be qualifying


https://www.congu.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/Handicapping-Advice.pdf


The full section is on pages 22 & 23 but here is the relevant information

Scores returned when preferred lies are in operation will be valid as Acceptable Scores only when a Local Rule has been made and published in accordance with Rules of Golf Model Local Rule E-3 of the Committee Procedures as follows:

“When a player’s ball lies in a part of the general area cut to fairway height or less [or identify a specific area such as ‘on the fairway of the 6th hole’], the player may take free relief once by placing the original ball or another ball in and playing it from this relief area:

The use of this Local Rule outside the fairway in the general area is not recommended as it may result in a player receiving free relief from areas where a ball might otherwise be unplayable (such as in areas of bushes or trees). Scores returned under such a provision would not be Acceptable Scores for handicapping purposes.

So placing on the fairway is acceptable but not placing in the rough

tbayers wrote: »

Knew this would be thrown back at me. So if a person went down to 3 and know they haven't a chance to get on senior cup team you would hold that against them? Is it not about having the most fun. Thats really a separate topic but still doesn't answer my question

It's not about what's fun for you. It's about what's fun for everyone. I can tell you it's not much fun getting schooled by a 2/3 handicapper in junior cup/jimmy bruen because they inflate their handicap to 5 so THEY can have more fun and win matches easily.

Golf is supposed to be about trying to be the best golfer you can be. That's what is supposed to be fun about golf. If that's not what is fun for you, you should quit or at least not play team events because that is not fair on everyone else