US Presidential Election 2020

Quin_Dub · 22-07-2020 8:04pm

duploelabs wrote: »

According to the Mooch, he's signalling to her not to talk by wishing her well

https://twitter.com/Scaramucci/status/1285893379444871168?s=19

You mean like this kind of "goods"?

A former employee of late pedophile Jeffrey Epstein claims she walked in on him and his alleged fixer Ghislaine Maxwell as they joked about “randy Andy” while watching a video of Prince Andrew with a topless woman, according to a report.

Tiffany Doe, 48, who didn’t want to reveal her real name, told the UK’s Sun that she was at the financier’s Manhattan home when she stumbled on the pair watching the secretly recorded clip of the Duke of York and the woman.

And perhaps more worrying for any others that might have spent time at Epsteins various residences

Doe told the outlet that “it was an open secret” that Epstein had cameras in the bedrooms.

“Jeffrey spent a lot of time in that room watching videos. I am sure he had videos of girls and guys having sex that he watched as a voyeur because that was what he was like,” she said.

“But he let everyone know he had power. Power over all these rich and famous people who came to his house. So what would that power be? It was pretty obvious,” the woman continued.

briany · 22-07-2020 8:50pm

If you subscribe to the theory that Epstein's death was in fact an assassination sponsored by erstwhile associates of his who didn't want their dodgy escapades at his mansion revealed to the world, then wouldn't that raise the question of why he didn't die sooner? Like if there was a suspicion of him having tapes of them doing stuff and therefore having the power to ruin their reputation, you'd think they wouldn't like that and want him out of the way.

But it also raises the question of what happened to those tapes, if they indeed exist, as Epstein's death wouldn't have destroyed the tapes. Was there any "mysterious" fires or burglaries at his house, or houses in or around the time of his arrest and death?

Carfacemandog · 22-07-2020 9:16pm

There were raids on his island shortly after his death a day or two after his death, though they were by the FBI as opposed to any unknown break ins etc.

I don't however see why he would have committed suicide - why didn't he when he was caught the first time? He good as walked free over that one by the guy Trump appointed to be his chief of staff (Alex Acosta, who if he is to believed claims he was told to leave it because it was 'above his pay grade' and that Epstein 'belonged to intelligence'. So why off himself then when there was a huge chance of the same happening all over again. And how did he manage to do so in the exact time his guards (both of them) happened to have napped off on the job, and how did he know to do it at the exact time the security cameras went on the fritz, causing the footage of the outside of his cell to be "unusable" which a while later changed to "deleted". And how was it that the video of his first alleged suicide attempt (remember he managed to pull all the above improbabilities off while on suicide watch), the video of which was also mysteriously deleted before anyone got to see it?

To be honest, it just doesn't add up. Like, at all.

Overheal · 23-07-2020 12:36am

Overheal wrote: »

Maryland republican candidate gets physical with a man destroying not one, but two of his signs that read "Allah Bless America." She also stole his US flag from him, before handing it off to someone else, which eventually made its way back to him. She eventually sics the cops on him, falsely reporting that he is inciting violence.

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/hvlsy9/michael_picard_trolls_trump_rally_gets_attacked/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=web2x

He says she put a $100k harassment lawsuit on him, after she assaulted him twice.

everlast75 · 23-07-2020 6:29am

Trump goes on to Fox *again* clearly because his ego can't take people laughing at him over his brag at being able to identify an elephant.

Of course, it all went swimmingly...

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1286105602205405184?s=09

Wanderer78 · 23-07-2020 6:35am

everlast75 wrote:

Of course, it all went swimmingly...

Jesus that's terrifying, I do think he may have some sort of learning disability though

everlast75 · 23-07-2020 6:50am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

Jesus that's terrifying, I do think he may have some sort of learning disability though

And what's worse is that "test" was two years ago.

According to a WH reporter, that was the last time the Press Secretary referenced any cognitive test. There has not been one referenced since.

Itssoeasy · 23-07-2020 8:32am

Someone needs to take the test shovel off him as I don't think the test proves what he thinks it proves. He's said the doctors were amazed he did so well on the test, which means the doctors had concerns about his cognitive state.

Itssoeasy · 23-07-2020 8:58am

And cafeteria worker on the White House grounds has tested positive for covid-19 but staffers have been told to not panic.

Wanderer78 · 23-07-2020 8:59am

Itssoeasy wrote: »

And cafeteria worker on the White House grounds has tested positive for covid-19 but staffers have been told to not panic.

theyre safe, trump has it under control:eek:

gmisk · 23-07-2020 9:35am

everlast75 wrote: »

Trump goes on to Fox *again* clearly because his ego can't take people laughing at him over his brag at being able to identify an elephant.

Of course, it all went swimmingly...

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1286105602205405184?s=09

Feck he is literally just naming things he can see...I half expected him to say...lamp...I love lamp

duploelabs · 23-07-2020 9:36am

gmisk wrote: »

Feck he is literally just naming things he can see...I half expected him to say...lamp...I love lamp

I see flag, I hug flag

BonnieSituation · 23-07-2020 10:37am

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Someone needs to take the test shovel off him as I don't think the test proves what he thinks it proves. He's said the doctors were amazed he did so well on the test, which means the doctors had concerns about his cognitive state.

That video is insane. He really is so fragile that he can't let anything go.

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My gf is a clinical psychologist and it had been doing her head in how the MOCA test is being discussed in the wider media. In fact, it becoming widely known is going to dilute its efficacy going forward.

The test itself is only to highlight possible dysfunction in someone you already suspect has entered cognitive decline. And it should only take about 10min.

It's not a comprehensive measure of intelligence or mental ability. It's not a Sigma-T test or anything like it that we got as a kid.

Wanderer78 · 23-07-2020 10:38am

BonnieSituation wrote: »

That video is insane. He really is so fragile that he can't let anything go.

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My gf is a clinical psychologist and it had been doing her head in how the MOCA test is being discussed in the wider media. In fact, it becoming widely known is going to dilute its efficacy going forward.

The test itself is only to highlight possible dysfunction in someone you already suspect has entered cognitive decline. And it should only take about 10min.

It's not a comprehensive measure of intelligence of mental ability. It's not a Sigma-T test or anything like it that we got as a kid.

what issues does your partner think trump has, i think hes npd with a learning disability?

BonnieSituation · 23-07-2020 11:24am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

what issues does your partner think trump has, i think hes npd with a learning disability?

I've never really discussed it with her because she just out and out hates him and almost breaks out into a rash when she hears his voice. I must ask her when she's home later.

I think NPD isn't in doubt at all.

Wanderer78 · 23-07-2020 11:25am

BonnieSituation wrote: »

I've never really discussed it with her because she just out and out hates him and almost breaks out into a rash when she hears his voice. I must ask her when she's home later.

I think NPD isn't in doubt at all.

understandable reaction, hes well up there with the worst of them

SimonTemplar · 23-07-2020 12:59pm

everlast75 wrote: »

Trump goes on to Fox *again* clearly because his ego can't take people laughing at him over his brag at being able to identify an elephant.

Of course, it all went swimmingly...

https://twitter.com/ProjectLincoln/status/1286105602205405184?s=09

There is a bit after that clip where he claims the people who administered the test said that his ability to recall the five words after 20 minutes was "amazing" and they were asking "how did you do that".

November can't come soon enough.

Wanderer78 · 23-07-2020 1:02pm

SimonTemplar wrote: »

There is a bit after that clip where he claims the people who administered the test said that his ability to recall the five words after 20 minutes was "amazing" and they were asking "how did you do that".

November can't come soon enough.

oh i expect things to become extremely weird over the next couple of months regarding this chap

everlast75 · 23-07-2020 1:08pm

SimonTemplar wrote: »

There is a bit after that clip where he claims the people who administered the test said that his ability to recall the five words after 20 minutes was "amazing" and they were asking "how did you do that".

November can't come soon enough.

Ronny Jackson administed the test.

Remember that guy? The "Trump is super fit" guy?

Quin_Dub · 23-07-2020 1:53pm

everlast75 wrote: »

Ronny Jackson administed the test.

Remember that guy? The "Trump is super fit" guy?

Which is where it gets a bit (more) odd.

Jackson has been gone from the WH Medical role for 2 years plus , yet Trump described taking the test "recently" at Walter Reed.

So was it actually recently and if so why would Ronnie Jackson be administering it?

Or was it over two years ago when Jackson was his medic and if so why describe it as "recently"?

Rjd2 · 23-07-2020 4:28pm

Said it before , Trump has one shot when it comes to winning, and it's go really hard when it comes to economic recovery for November.

I actually think he knows this, but reading online it seems the GOP powerbase who live and die by trickle down economics and the "free markets" are now screeching about debt etc.

Trump knows in an election year with that those people are morons, but because he is weak expect him to give in to them very quickly.

The next economic relief bill I expect will be very slight, but this won't totally be Trump's fault, it will be the think tanks obsessed with Reganism who control the GOP and loath Trump to blame.

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1286290356791848960

Rjd2 · 23-07-2020 4:30pm

Pence the other day claiming people won't vote for Biden because of his supposed socialism, lets ignore the obvious that Biden is most certainly not a socialist, socialism actually looks pretty darn good right now when you look at the unemployment numbers, evictions etc.

I dunno maybe go all in and call him a Marxist. :rolleyes:

Carfacemandog · 23-07-2020 4:47pm

Rjd2 wrote: »

I actually think he knows this, but reading online it seems the GOP powerbase who live and die by trickle down economics and the "free markets" are now screeching about debt etc.

Good.

They couldn't stop talking about it daily for 8 solid years when it was being used to successfully dig the US out of an historic recession, having not cared remotely about it soaring for the 8 years previous from the surplus W. inherited. Then they promptly STFU about it from exactly January 20th, 2017 onwards despite it continuing to soar at an even faster rate than it had under the previous president (yes even before covid).

Rjd2 · 23-07-2020 5:00pm

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Good.

They couldn't stop talking about it daily for 8 solid years when it was being used to successfully dig the US out of an historic recession, having not cared remotely about it soaring for the 8 years previous from the surplus W. inherited. Then they promptly STFU about it from exactly January 20th, 2017 onwards despite it continuing to soar at an even faster rate than it had under the previous president (yes even before covid).

I think when looking at the numbers then the things what Hawley, Gardiner etc are proposing deserve to be looked at as next few months are going to be brutal for those on the margins.

What makes it more bizarre is, the current economic mantra that the likes of Ted Cruz are spouting probably will ensure plenty will lose their job in a few months.

But the GOP economic model has been broken long before Trump so I doubt Never Trump favs would be coming up with any decent economic policy atm,

https://prospect.org/coronavirus/unsanitized-mitt-romney-wants-to-use-the-crisis-to-cut-social-security/

Check out hero of the resistance Mitt Romney plans,

Rjd2 · 23-07-2020 5:03pm

All my above posts summarised here, Stephen Moore is nearly their:p

https://twitter.com/JStein_WaPo/status/1286325752762433548

Water John · 24-07-2020 12:51pm

Many would disagree with AOC's political beliefs but her contribution yesterday in the House of Reps is worth watching. The sheer clarity of thought and delivery.
Anybody asked to give a talk on respect for women need only show this 10 minute clip;
https://www.thejournal.ie/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-yoho-5158576-Jul2020/

Brian? · 24-07-2020 12:59pm

Water John wrote: »

Many would disagree with AOC's political beliefs but her contribution yesterday in the House of Reps is worth watching. The sheer clarity of thought and delivery.
Anybody asked to give a talk on respect for women need only show this 10 minute clip;
https://www.thejournal.ie/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-yoho-5158576-Jul2020/

The contrast between AOCs speech and the "apology" from Yoho is absolutely remarkable.

Itssoeasy · 24-07-2020 1:47pm

Brian? wrote: »

The contrast between AOCs speech and the "apology" from Yoho is absolutely remarkable.

That speech may be one that is replayed in the years to come for many reasons.

Igotadose · 24-07-2020 2:04pm

Biden +13 in Florida per Quinnipiac poll. Amazing number, but just one poll. Imagine if the felons could vote there !

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/florida/

everlast75 · 24-07-2020 2:07pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

That speech may be one that is replayed in the years to come for many reasons.

Anyone know what caused Yoho to say what he did?

Overheal · 24-07-2020 2:10pm

Brian? wrote: »

The contrast between AOCs speech and the "apology" from Yoho is absolutely remarkable.

In which he doesn’t actually deny saying the words or apologize for them he just tries to argue they weren’t directed at her. Yes. I suppose it was just the sky or one of the handrails of the steps to congress being a ****ing bitch then.

https://www.c-span.org/video/?c4894103/representative-yoho-apologizes-abrupt-conversation-representative-ocasio-cortez-denies-calling

Quin_Dub · 24-07-2020 2:13pm

everlast75 wrote: »

Anyone know what caused Yoho to say what he did?

AOC had made a comment a few days before saying that some of the recent rise in Crime in the inner cities was driven by poverty and not "criminality" specifically.

He took issue with that saying that being poor didn't mean that you were more predisposed to committing crime.

That opinion is not a problem , I'd tend to agree with him , although I see the point that AOC was making also , in that hard times can lead to bad decisions.

All in all , a valid disagreement that two professional politicians should have debated like adults , but Yoho is/was clearly incapable of that.

Overheal · 24-07-2020 2:15pm

everlast75 wrote: »

Anyone know what caused Yoho to say what he did?

This exchange:

http://tinyurl.com/AOCderangementsyndrome

What led to that exchange informed here:

[url] https://thehill.com/homenews/house/508259-ocaasio-cortez-accosted-by-gop-lawmaker-over-remarks-that-kind-of[/url]

One thing you notice watching both floor statements: Yoho has to read his statement off a paper, and even suggests he deliberately engineered those awkward pauses for effect about poverty. AOC spoke cogently for 10 minutes while barely looking down at her crib notes.

Foxtrol · 24-07-2020 2:26pm

Quin_Dub wrote: »

AOC had made a comment a few days before saying that some of the recent rise in Crime in the inner cities was driven by poverty and not "criminality" specifically.

He took issue with that saying that being poor didn't mean that you were more predisposed to committing crime.

That opinion is not a problem , I'd tend to agree with him , although I see the point that AOC was making also , in that hard times can lead to bad decisions.

All in all , a valid disagreement that two professional politicians should have debated like adults , but Yoho is/was clearly incapable of that.

That is a hilarious level of either faux outrage or real fragility from a guy that is in a party which has spent the last few decades implying that minorities are more predisposed to committing crime. Even yesterday Trump was talking about 'destroying the suburbs'.

Muahahaha · 24-07-2020 2:38pm

Igotadose wrote: »

Biden +13 in Florida per Quinnipiac poll. Amazing number, but just one poll. Imagine if the felons could vote there !

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/florida/

yeah saw that, it is an absolute shocker of a poll for Trump because he literally cannot win the White House if he loses Florida. Biden also has sizeable leads in Penn. Michigan, Minnesota, all states Trump needs to win to have a decent chance.

Water John · 24-07-2020 7:36pm

This is the Cook Report and shows the hill Trump has to climb to win the Electoral College;
https://cookpolitical.com/sites/default/files/2020-07/EC%20Ratings.072320.2.pdf

Note, Florida is Lean Democrat and Texas is Lean Republican in this.

Melanchthon · 24-07-2020 11:20pm

Rjd2 wrote: »

Said it before , Trump has one shot when it comes to winning, and it's go really hard when it comes to economic recovery for November.

I actually think he knows this, but reading online it seems the GOP powerbase who live and die by trickle down economics and the "free markets" are now screeching about debt etc.

Trump knows in an election year with that those people are morons, but because he is weak expect him to give in to them very quickly.

The next economic relief bill I expect will be very slight, but this won't totally be Trump's fault, it will be the think tanks obsessed with Reganism who control the GOP and loath Trump to blame.

https://twitter.com/NateSilver538/status/1286290356791848960

If you were a non Trump alligned republican at the minute would you want Trump to win the election, it might well be better for you to loose, let the democrats have to deal with the economic fallout from the virus, probable increased white flight from some urban areas and the headache that will be actually trying to resolve a lot of BLM demands , hope for some extreme democrat infighting when Biden and Pelosi have to work with the younger/more left members and then put forward somebody that can win the Hispanic vote.

As an example how is a Biden led administration going to handle something like what's going on in Portland, burning down federal courthouses would loose moderate base and is probably something Biden himself would be appalled by but a bunch of anarchists aren't going to stop either as they rate Biden only slightly better than Trump

Carfacemandog · 24-07-2020 11:52pm

Melanchthon wrote: »

If you were a non Trump alligned republican at the minute would you want Trump to win the election, it might well be better for you to loose, let the democrats have to deal with the economic fallout from the virus, probable increased white flight from some urban areas and the headache that will be actually trying to resolve a lot of BLM demands , hope for some extreme democrat infighting when Biden and Pelosi have to work with the younger/more left members and then put forward somebody that can win the Hispanic vote.

As an example how is a Biden led administration going to handle something like what's going on in Portland, burning down federal courthouses would loose moderate base and is probably something Biden himself would be appalled by but a bunch of anarchists aren't going to stop either as they rate Biden only slightly better than Trump

You do make some good points, especially regarding the four years out of power part, but Biden was vp when there were riots under Obama in 2014, which faded away due to a much better response (though it's hard to do worse than secret police, and gassing the clergy and middle aged moms). Not that it would magically disappear on his first day in office, but it would come under control in my opinion. I think bidens bigger worry on the social unrest front would come from those on the right, over the course of the four years.

Water John · 25-07-2020 12:00am

Almost all the deaths from what could be termed politically motivated violence almost exclusively comes from the right. That's the side that is a risk for the USA.

Rjd2 · 25-07-2020 1:23am

Melanchthon wrote: »

If you were a non Trump alligned republican at the minute would you want Trump to win the election, it might well be better for you to loose, let the democrats have to deal with the economic fallout from the virus, probable increased white flight from some urban areas and the headache that will be actually trying to resolve a lot of BLM demands , hope for some extreme democrat infighting when Biden and Pelosi have to work with the younger/more left members and then put forward somebody that can win the Hispanic vote.

As an example how is a Biden led administration going to handle something like what's going on in Portland, burning down federal courthouses would loose moderate base and is probably something Biden himself would be appalled by but a bunch of anarchists aren't going to stop either as they rate Biden only slightly better than Trump

Republicans and not just Trumpers have shown they just can't govern , its quite lucrative for GOP thinktanks to be outside power as fundraising can be very lucrative and you can promise solutions for everything.

I do think when Biden wins, their will be strained relations in the party, Biden has made a big play to suburban republicans so keeping them happy alongside the Bernie element of the party will be quite tricky.

Who know really how the GOP comeback, its obvious their is a huge difference of opinion between their professional class and donors who are obsessed with zombie reganism and overseas "exceptionalism" and the voters who don't have an issue with big government and have zero interest in sending people oversea to die in lengthy wars.

Melanchthon · 25-07-2020 9:47am

Carfacemandog wrote: »

You do make some good points, especially regarding the four years out of power part, but Biden was vp when there were riots under Obama in 2014, which faded away due to a much better response (though it's hard to do worse than secret police, and gassing the clergy and middle aged moms). Not that it would magically disappear on his first day in office, but it would come under control in my opinion. I think bidens bigger worry on the social unrest front would come from those on the right, over the course of the four years.

But as we can see from this year the Obama era issues and rioters never went away, Biden isn't Obama and look at the shooting and other violent crime rates of a lot of these cities during the protests and the limited police response, if you were anyway middle class your going to get the hell out of those districts if you can.

Trump's response has been poor I agree failing at both approaches of being calming or being a strong man.

In terms of social unrest coming from the right I am skeptical about that to a degree. Agree that probably would be a increase in far-right lone shooters, disagree that about general unrest.

I think it's a symptom of at least the media coverage we get here, look at the gun right rallies etc the media hyped up the buggalloo and way that it was going to get very violent, those protestors though while looking a mix of comical and intimidating were generally law abiding, east example is they might have been around a courthouse but they weren't trying to burn it too the ground.
Even on the domestic terrorist thing media framing has a big factor, you hear little talk about the Black Hebrew Israelites despite their attempts to kill Jews , this silence is particularly obvious when you see how little coverage nakedly anti-Semitic statements by prominent black athletes and other celebs and the fact that mainstream media never links the mindsets together in the way they do with other demographics, e.g White racists, Islamists, Incels etc.

Edit: Just realized that I forgot the really big difference between Biden and Obama, Obama was there for the upturn (he did a good job there), Biden will be there for a economic downturn and with a genuinely serious geopolitical problem with China, people were hopeful under Obama next 4 years that dynamic is less likely (obviously same dynamic will happen but more so if Trump wins)

Shelga · 25-07-2020 9:59am

It seems like Biden has basically confirmed in public that he wouldn’t run for a second term, right? So in 2024 we would have the prospect of two green candidates. Has it ever happened before that the sitting president has opted not to run for a second term, rather than be voted out?

Itssoeasy · 25-07-2020 11:21am

Shelga wrote: »

It seems like Biden has basically confirmed in public that he wouldn’t run for a second term, right? So in 2024 we would have the prospect of two green candidates. Has it ever happened before that the sitting president has opted not to run for a second term, rather than be voted out?

LBJ opted out of running in 1968.

rossie1977 · 25-07-2020 2:19pm

Itssoeasy wrote: »

LBJ opted out of running in 1968.

He was losing at the polls and his health failing badly so he opted out rather than lose.

Btw where has Biden stated he wouldn't run in 4 years if he wins this time?

Muahahaha · 25-07-2020 2:32pm

Shelga wrote: »

It seems like Biden has basically confirmed in public that he wouldn’t run for a second term, right? So in 2024 we would have the prospect of two green candidates. Has it ever happened before that the sitting president has opted not to run for a second term, rather than be voted out?

I dont think Biden has said he would only do one term, at least I havent seen him saying it anywhere. There has been a lot of media chatter about the importance of his vice president pick because they *might* be the candidate in 2024 but Biden himself has never said he wouldnt run, it seems to be all media speculation.

In any case saying he would only do one term would box him in to that position and then changing his mind becomes more difficult as he would have accusations of lying to voters flying about. He may well intend to only do one term right now but it would be foolhardy to actually come out and say it publicly.

25-07-2020 2:32pm

rossie1977 wrote: »

He was losing at the polls and his health failing badly so he opted out rather than lose.

Btw where has Biden stated he wouldn't run in 4 years if he wins this time?

I'd genuinely say most don't expect him to have a second term. The running mate is being viewed as a potential nominee in 4 years.

Overheal · 25-07-2020 2:53pm

rossie1977 wrote: »

He was losing at the polls and his health failing badly so he opted out rather than lose.

Btw where has Biden stated he wouldn't run in 4 years if he wins this time?

He hasn’t.

https://www.marketwatch.com/story/joe-biden-wont-promise-he-would-be-president-for-just-one-term-im-not-even-elected-to-one-term-yet-2019-12-19

How this came about I don’t recall, I know several media posts have been made in the election cycle suggesting he/Bernie should pledge to do so, which is silly as it sounds. Could have been so they are seen as more acceptable protest votes, this was all around the time of the impeachment trial.

briany · 25-07-2020 3:08pm

Deleted User wrote: »

I'd genuinely say most don't expect him to have a second term. The running mate is being viewed as a potential nominee in 4 years.

If there's any inkling of an intention not to run in 2024, then it's extra critical to have the right VP. Biden has talked about his VP being a woman, but more important than that they must be a serious politician with an appeal to the Democratic base and independents. So, if it is to be a woman, what they base their appeal on cannot be, first and foremost, being a woman, but rather being possessed of both the competence to make good decisions and the charisma to effectively lead.

Water John · 25-07-2020 4:13pm

Well if a VP doesn't perform, they can be changed in 2 years. It's a Plan B.
Biden will also have many working in his Cabinet and from their performances could pick an alternative.

Inquitus · 25-07-2020 5:50pm

I don't see how it will end up being anyone but Kamala Harris to be honest, she's a woman, a senator, black, ticks all the boxes, experienced and should be ready to step in should anything befall Joe.

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